Why GIB and Telco dont want to work directly with webmasters ?

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Why this system was borned ?

Every day we hear that somebody was cheated
by one of hundreds of resellers, that woking
around here every day and offer us the same
2 dialers GIB and Telco.

Is it war of GIB against Telco, when both
of them trying to catch more market with resellers help ?

Or maybe its attempt to avoid the responsibility ?

Why thousands of webmasters should trust their hard earned money to some anonymous people like snow, that can simply disappear
one day ?

And what can be possibly done to one like
snow.Maybe its not "snow" at all, maybe its Ivan Ivanov or whatever ...that claims that he is "snow" ??

[blind]

Because, its SO much easier to pay people to go out there and get new people to use their dialer than to take their few employees and have them market the dialer...

[blind]

And I'm pretty sure Snow has not "disappeared." If he hadn't, why would he be here trying to tell you his side of the story (even though most people are too ignorant to really read and think.)

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Anybody here dont know what is GIB ???!!!

Do you have to market something that everybody knows ??!!

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Also "snow" didnt disappeared only because
he want to continue "to make his money".

Or you want to say that snow still here because he "simply want to tell us his story" ???????!!!!!!!!!!

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Or maybe snow "still here" because he want to return us our money ?????????!!!!!!!!!!

Anybody can believe this ??

[snow]

True Blind thanks..Yes i'm here where do you think im gonna go... I think if i really stole all your money do you think i would be here??? Use your fucking heads man.. I have made alot of money for people and will continute to do so.. I'm here just waiting to see what happens with tyler...

[toker]

Hey you need a dialer try my new program no need for reseller just try a great dialer and deal directly with the main company.

Below is the URL if you like to try but i hope this is not spam because i dont want to spam i just want your money. :)

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We have 24 hrs support to answare all your late payment issues even up to 1 year past due. Try our great support to see for yourself as a test to see how quick they respond. Yes we always pay late but all other dialer companies do also so we only decided to go with the flow.

You can check out or payments dept at
support@latepayments.com

Im sure you will love this great oppertunity which can make great profits for you in a very short time.

How come we can make you so much money so quick?

Simple we pay $2 per minuite then we deduct transaction fees, support fees, check writing or wire fees, and last a usage fee of your surfers. Once we take out the fees you make a big fat $0 which can add up over time just like with our competetors.

So im sure your just itching to try this new sham we just created with our imagination so i suggest you click here now to reap the benifits of being screwed by dialers.


You really should try itsagreatdialer afterall we tell you up front you wont get paid because we believe in honesty!

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[toker]

Just a quick heads up theres some guy running around ICQ as snow under UIN 136192825 and it aint snow.

Well for one heh Snow was in my contacts for ages and he was sitting online when this idiot contacted me. Then he asked me why www.itsagreatdialer.com (http://www.itsagreatdialer.com) dont work and im sure Snow would be smarter then that... ;)

[richard]

PC-PORNO:

Why dont ATT run dialer programs themselves?

Why dont Telcoweb/GIB run big TGP/Galleries/SE/LL/AVS sites to earn them money? ( ;) not saying that they dont).

Why dont ATT do this?

Contrary to popular belief, there ARE good webmaster programs. With staff who supply client support, niche content areas, extra promotion material, etc etc.

Because, its SO much easier to pay people to go out there and get new people to use their dialer than to take their few employees and have them market the dialer...

Its not just the 'brand name', its everything else a _good_ reseller program provides, things i mention above.

I think the thing to do with dialer sponsors, is check them out thoroughly - there are so many newbie resellers born each week. If you go with someone who is trustworthy, established, and business-like, you shouldn't go wrong.

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Meantime "its SO much easier" cost us
a lot of money !

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VIP - wasnt newbie reseller that just born last week..and its also was "trustworthy, established, and business-like" resseler,
so what ?????

And I can give more names like VIP that was
"trustworthy, established, and business-like"
and oops one day - no pay , no money , and you dont know where to find them.....!!

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And also what should be a reason to give all
money to reseller ?

Why not simply pay to reseller his 0.05 or whatever ?

[richard]

Why not simply pay to reseller his 0.05 or whatever ?

Question of resources availible to the network i guess - i'd rather pay say 20 people, than 10,000.

Saying that, i believe GIB are doing the payments direct now? Which is what you want right?

All i'm saying is that there are reliable companies out there, that pay their people on time.

As for VIP, thats your opinion. Read the board for past Smutcash complaints. Didn't know Smutcash were behind VIP? surely that doesn't inspire much trust?

just my opinion anyway.

Rich.

[toker]

The answer is simple you use our great program and not worry about payments ever again!!

You can out our site at www.itsagreatdialer.com (http://www.itsagreatdialer.com)

[ZnoZ]

get a life toker. :D

[PnP]

Well,

the reason is pretty simple: Webmasters who have real-time sites work 24/7. And they demand this service. They want to ask someone on ICQ even at 3 am on a Saturday night.

Just to give you a bit of history: Dialer systems never were meant for free sites or CJ sites or TGPs. They were simply an alternative billing method for pay sites. Pay site owners were complaining about chargebacks on CC sales and that so many people do not have a CC or do not want to use it on the web. So it was meant as an alternative billing method, not as a sponsor. These resellers you are now bashing did a great job: they brought dialers to free sites by adding content and service to this "billing method". For sure, there are too many resellers out there who do not have infrastructure and business manners to do proper business ... but some of them are just great, giving you the desired service and even offer you great rates. To setup a nice dialer reseller page is no deal, just money required, to understand the business and to do it lately is something totally diffrent.

I am in the dialer biz since the very start, way before Telcoweb (or former totally connect) and way before GIB went to the public. And if you see it this way: even GIB and Telcoweb are doing nothing else than reselling .. because they do not own any route at all. The routes are owned by Telcos. Most dialer companies even do not have "physical" dial-in ports in the countries they are offering. Just imagine: each Premium Rate number does have a normal number, too, where it is routed to. The only company I know who really got massive dial-in hardware in a lot of countries is GIB. The rest of the companies are just routing their traffic to central dial-in ports in London or whereever.

If you wanna talk personally, leave your ICQ.

Cheers,

PnP

[Telcoweb.com NOC]

This post is littered with inaccuracies. Telcoweb own dialup hardware in London , USA and Germany and terminate lots traffic other than PRS. As a matter of fact the modems pictured below belong to us so does the actual data centre they are housed in Milton Keynes UK.

In the last 7 days Telcoweb have purchased a Telco switch at a cost of over 600 thousand dollars with plenty more investment to come.

Telcoweb are not related to Totally Connect who is a Coloumb reseller located in London UK.

PNP you are just another person very willing to throw scorn at a company that turns of a $million a week plus

[Telcoweb.com NOC]

This post is littered with inaccuracies. Telcoweb own dialup hardware in London , USA and Germany and terminate lots traffic other than PRS. As a matter of fact the modems pictured below belong to us so does the actual data centre they are housed in Milton Keynes UK.

In the last 7 days Telcoweb have purchased a Telco switch at a cost of over 600 thousand dollars with plenty more investment to come.

Telcoweb are not related to Totally Connect who is a Coloumb reseller located in London UK.

PNP you are just another person very willing to throw scorn at a company that turns of a $million a week plus


Telcowebs lucents (http://www.telcoweb.com/DSC00007.jpg)

[PnP]

Dear Telcoweb,

you may have dial-in hardware in Germany, but I know that you are routing the calls and not terminate them in Germany. It is also easy to find out: Just complain to the FST and you will get the provider who is at the end of the row. And by the way: the FST in Germany guidelines say that you must display rate information next to the Country name in Germany (DM 3.63). Obviously you are violating this rule.

So Nick West never had something to do with Totally Connect? Meaning there is no connection. Getting more and more curious. I guess you do not want me to post more details, right?

PnP

[Telcoweb.com NOC]

I am not sure what you are driving at on a public board. Nick West is an employee of Telcoweb yes he used to work for Totally Connect before he came to work for us. Telcoweb has 12 Employees so what?

[PnP]

BTW,

great picture proof:

PnP's hardware used for surfing:
Picture of Hardware for surfing ... NOTE: PICTURE PROOF (http://www.he.net/fremont/fremont_end.jpg)

:D

[PnP]

Telco,

stay on the topic. I was just saying that reselling a dialer does not mean dealing Economy class, it can be Business Class even First class. Nothing against people who are providing the infrastructure. But its ok, seems to be that you are a bit nervous about loosing the AT&T route (like most are).

Cheers,

PnP

[Telcoweb.com NOC]

We are happy to announce we will be continuing PER MINUTE dialer after AT&T stop billing on November 31st at midnight. We have an alternative legal per minute route and this will mean little or no change to webmasters.

Thanks

-Adam

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Adam Lewis
Chief Technical Officer
http://www.telcoweb.com http://www.minuteminder.net


Adam@minuteminder.net
Adam@telcoweb.com

[Telcoweb.com NOC]

ein Deutscher, der Nick West, ist einfach zu finden

LOL

Adam

[playa]

having resellers is a good business model,,

people think its easy to run a reseller program, but in reality its hard work,,

there is alot of work involved and the dialer companies use resellers to handle the transactions

[PnP]

Adman,

great work :)

I am Mexican but I am in Cologne right now for a convention. But nice to know that you can handle how to tracert ip addresses. MSN rulez! Double LOL

PnP :D

[snow]

pnp i dont know you ,but your comments make no sense.. people here are to make money... We dont need a anal history of the audiotext world... These guys Just want to make money and be paid... Why do you put them down... I think telcoweb does a great job and is very informative..

They are the most Informative sponsor i have ever seen and plan to run my paysites the same way..

WHO ARE YOU??
WHats yoru URL?
Where do you come from??

I dont understand all these people here coming to the boards and playing STEALTH.. IF you have a problem STATE who you are..

People here are tired of it..

[unconnected]

Was there any point to that last post? Or are you just enjoying try to get a rise out of someone? Telco has their shit in order a lot more than 90% of the dialer companies out there and have the software and hardware to make sure they stay competitive and kicking ass for a long time to come. During which we will see a ton of dialer companies go down in flames. So why not go and pick a fight with someone that actually has it coming to them, instead of a legitimit and very reputable company?

[unconnected]

and by last post I mean last PnP post, not you loverboy..

[snow]

Ryan you can only HOPE to see the day i'm naked you little Biatch...

http://www.snow@jetdialer.com
SNOW@jetdialer.com

[COMMS_GOD]

PnP Where I come from we call you people Player Haters.

A 2 day old nic with no email address does not go far on this board. Come back when you are are a big boy.

Comms Gawd