Automatic TGP Submitter

[MrNice]

Sh*it, this is really going swell. First I post my message to the wrong group, and then I forget the subject which caused it not to show up (at least not that I can see, so you have to excuse me if there are dubes).

Anyhow - here is the message I sent, I know it's long. But I would really like some feedback on this. Thank you all.

I am thinking about developing an automatic TGP submitter, and would basically like to have some thoughts, comments and suggestions about this.
I am thinking it will work kinda like TGPGO but with a whole bunch more features and of course be more automatic.

You will be able to generate gallery pages containing the respective TGP's reciprocal buttons/links. And then submit these to their respective TGP. This will be done totally automatic. E.g. you select the template and new pages are created. You upload them (or the software does this, not sure about that one yet), select the corresponding categories and press the submit button. You only press the submit button once, not for each TGP.

You will also be able to submit already existing galleries not created using this program using the selected settings. As well as saving all settings to a configiration file so the next time you want to submit the same gallery you only have to load the file and press the submit button.

It will also contain export/import features for sharing TGP's with other webmasters. As well as the ability to easily add new TGP's (hopefully).

Other possible features will be to be able select if the galleries are straight/gay/shemale etc and only submit the galleries to sites allowing these types of galleries. As well as extracting the text out from TGP sites and check if the URL still exist.

Well basically I would like some thoughts about all this. If you think it's worth spending all this time developing such a tool. I would also appreciate any suggestions, thoughts, ideas what so ever. If I am to develop this software (which at the moment seems like a good idea) I want it to stand out from the rest of the TGP submitters out there, and not only another TGP submitter among many.

This software will of course be totally free for everyone. I am thinking maybe placing a small text link on the galleries generated to make it worth the time this will take to develop. Or if you all have any other suggestions on how we all can benefit the best way on this I am glad to hear them.

The software will be written as a "real" application for Windows in C++. And work much like a search engine submitter. But with more features and submit to TGP's instead of search engines.

Well hope this was the right place to submit this to. And I am looking forward to read your replies.

And yes, one more thing. I would also appreciate any list of TGP sites which could be added to the applications database.

Thank you all, and hope this message wasn't to long for you all to read :-)

MrNice

[Fart]

Quite a few people already announced here that they're going to develop a tgp submitter.

Well, an important point to me would be to have an auto-updated database with a PROPER arrangement of the recip buttons. The software would know which group of recip buttons work best. Tgp A likes it to be on the same page as Tgp B and Tgp B likes that too etc.. Although I am far from beeing a tgp expert I believe that this DOES matter
big time.

That is probably more work and knowledge than the script/program itself.

[MrNice]

Really? Hmm... I wonder if it's worth all the time if several authors already are working on such an app.

I do see the auto-update feature as a feature which of course should be included. Though I am not as you sad an TGP expert either in the field of knowing the "proper" button placements. Since it generates a unique page I assumed the best thing would be a random feature, which randomly pars together the reciprocal buttons/links.

I can't see the benefit of using specific TGP reciprocals together. Other than this would cause some pages to get lots more hits than others (if you put the big TGPs together that is).

As mentioned if I am to develop this kind of app I want it to stand out from the others. And if there alrady are several authors planning on developing a Windows based submission tool, I don't know how well used this tool will be.

Please anyone with suggestions/comments etc, post them here, I don't want to spend all this time developing this thing if there will be for example 5 more identical apps like this. Better to spend my time on something else in that case. Or if I think that the others miss a lot of important features.

MrNice

[Cyberzen]

Welp here are my thoughts and advice for your program,

1) There have been quite a few developers who have come to this board to announce their intention of developing such an application, and yet till this day i have yet to see a finished product. So hopefully you mean what you say, as truth to tell I am quite eager for an alternative to TGSW. I dread the thought of adding more cats to it UGH!!

2) The main feature I would like to see in your app would be, something akin to the stealth TGP poster announced months ago. Generally instead of posting to the form cgi script itself, that your program open up the actualy submit url and fill in the required text fields and drop down boxes with the appopriate values for each TGP.

3) Second feature I would like to see is, an easy way to add new TGPS, let me elaborate. The process of adding new tgps should be as fast and as hassle free as possible, it is extremely important for us webmasters to have an up to date database of all the TGP rules and whatnot. So I suggest that when adding a new tgp, all a webmaster ought to do is point the program to the submit URL, and then the program parse out all the input fields on the page, and then automatically add the tgp into the database after the webmaster has made some modifications like naming the TGP.

4) Furthermore for the rules, I would like to see the program check each TGP's rules page for changes and then notify us as to which TGP has changed their rules, this process should be done on a daily basis or whenever the user needs to especially before a submission.

5) Also who says it needs to just post to TGPs, why not include link lists or movie posts or pic posts as well?

These are my initial thought, I prob still have some others that I don't remember.

Also if you are able to develop such a program I would not hesitate to buy the damm thing, I been waiting ages for someone to devlop such a program. I was so impatient that i even started learning visual basic rofl, but I suck at programming and can't afford to pay the premium for custom programming.

Welp anyways I really hope you're serious about this as I was really counting on that dang "Stealth TGP Poster" but I guess the dream never materialized as I haven;t heard anything about it since months ago.

[MrNice]

Cyberzen

Thank you for your notes.

1) When I plan on developing an app I do so. And not only thinking about it. Usually even tend to spend all my waken hours developing the software I am working on :-) As to date I have never began working on a software without finishing it. That's why I posted this message, so I could be sure it's worth all the time it will take. So I don't begin something and later stop working on it. Or if there already are several applications like this in development. That one more wouldn't make much difference.

2) The main reason I wanted to write this app was to make it submit to all the TGP's automatically. Without manually having to push the submit button on each TGP (which for example TGPGO requires). I will be implenting referral and "stelth" feature. In the sence that the scripts will think that the submission actually came from the correct URL, and was submitted using either Internet Explorer or Netscape. I know most TGP scripts don't check this. But not doing so might cause a very few ones to notice it was made by a auto-submitter. So I think it's worth the extra time devloping this feature.

3) Of course I will try making the add feature as "hassle free" as possible. For example letting the user input some settings in a dialog. Rather than manually edit the settings file. Though as you sad the ultimate feature would be letting webmasters point the app to the submit URL and this software will automcaticallyu extract the information.

Although this isn't always such a good idea. Say for example the submit URL contains several forms (which many does). Than it's not an easy thing to choose which one.

I guess I could make a feature that "tries" to guess the forms settings. And letting the webmaster validate it afterwars before adding it to the database or something. Or extracting all forms and letting the user select which one it should use.

This is a nice idea though, and defenetely worth deeper examination.

4) This would be a nice idea if it wasn't for the point of extracting the rules from the webpage. It would be one thing if the site could contain a settings file which could be downloaded by the program and checked. But it's impossible for the program to try and read the rules written in english.

One possibility would be to download the submit page, and for example check the file size and notify the user or something like that. But since this also would notify the user of every single little update of the page I don't think it's worth it.

5) Of course that would be a nice idea. But it's a very hard work developing an app like this. It's one thing to keep updating the software, and updating the TGP database. But if I alone where to add thousands of other sites as well it would never be finished :-)

One possibility is to create the software, and later maybe add other type of sites as well. But as mentioned, it's really hard work. And since I will be releasing this app as freeware I just don't know if it's worth it.

And as I've sad before, please keep posting ideas and comments here. I AM serious about this. And really need all comments, thoughts and suggestions as is just possible. This is a HUGE project to start and I really don't want to spend all this time if I am not defenetely sure it will be appreciated by large number of webmasters. If I don't get any feedback I'll just have to assume it's not worth my time. And could probably be better spent updating my other already existing applications.

I am sure you all understand, and thank you.

And one more thing I would also like to know what you all think is the best way for me to make it go around. I am thinking maybe adding a link on the galleries generated. But since this is a tool for webmasters, and it's generally normal users which visits TGP's I don't think I would benefit much on it.

Of course I could make it shareare, but I really think everyone should benefit. Even newbies not willing to spend money on a software like this.

Afterall it's you guys which will use it, so who's better to tell me what would be best for you all than just you?

And hmm... my posts seems to get very long. Sorry for that.

MrNice

[MrNice]

Heh, I should have splited this on several posts instead of a single one. Would probably get more readers that way. It looks like I've written a book or something, hehe, sorry all.

Well, well, done is done :-)

MrNice

[MattressKing]

Mr nice, don't bother with a tgp autosubmitter, sorry.

Why??? TGSW owns the market, and probably always will. What's wrong with tgsw though? It takes 15-20 hours to configure.


But, now there's a place, www.sex4ring.com (http://www.sex4ring.com) where you can buy the databse for a hundred bucks.

Here's what to do mrnice, with your programming knowledge, create a link list submitter. It will probably take less time to create a program like that, and there is hardly any competition.

People spends hours a day just submitting to link lists, so why not make a script that does everything for them?


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MrNice:
Heh, I should have splited this on several posts instead of a single one. Would probably get more readers that way. It looks like I've written a book or something, hehe, sorry all.

Well, well, done is done :-)

MrNice</font>

[MattressKing]

sorry, I missed the part about it being free. Anything free will be able to sell http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

But I still say create a link list submitter, and charge people for it http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MattressKing:
Mr nice, don't bother with a tgp autosubmitter, sorry.

Why??? TGSW owns the market, and probably always will. What's wrong with tgsw though? It takes 15-20 hours to configure.


But, now there's a place, www.sex4ring.com (http://www.sex4ring.com) where you can buy the databse for a hundred bucks.

Here's what to do mrnice, with your programming knowledge, create a link list submitter. It will probably take less time to create a program like that, and there is hardly any competition.

People spends hours a day just submitting to link lists, so why not make a script that does everything for them?


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[MrNice]

heh, well I know TGSW is dominating the market. And as you sad probably always will. Though this software has limitations. I haven't used it myself, so I don't know that much about it really. But I do know it lacks a lot of features. And many webmasters after using it for a while has gone back to submission by hand.

This software won't work exactly the same way TGSW does though. It for example won't contain a feature which automatically generates, uploads, and submits new galleries every X day. This will still have to be done by hand. The reason for this is that this software will be Windows based. And to write such a feature the user will need to be connected to Internet 24 hours/dag and run it as a TSR program. And I just don't think enough people do this.

Especially when it will only take a couple of seconds to generate the galleries, and then only a couple of minutes to submit them using this app.

Allhough it will contain several other improvements and features not found in TGSW. For example this "stealth" feature you've probably saw in earlier posts. Many large TGP sites are banning galleries submitted trough TGSW, these features found in this software will (hopefully) make it impossible for TGP owners to determan if it was auto-generated/submitted or not.

I am not after to "replace" TGSW or anything like that. Only as a substitue for people having submit their galleries by hand. There are lots of people that don't like or can afford TGSW. Not to mention what I just sad, TGSW have lots of limitations.

That's why I think it's better suited as freeware.

Now to your link-submitter idea :-)
As also noted earlier this might be something to add in the future to this software. But this will first of all be a TGP submitter. And adding the ability to submit to link sites as well just requires shit-loads of extra work. And we'll just see what happens, but as a single developer on this. It just doesn't look bright for this addition as well. But it is a nice thought, and who knows? Maybe if the software gets very popular I might consider it :-))


And btw, a link submitter is MUCH less work than a TGP submitter. So if I am to release a TGP submitter for free. I am hardly to release a link submitter as shareware :-)

MrNice

[Cyberzen]

Well I'm glad that someone is actually thinking of developing an APP such as this.

If you come to think of it, it doesn't juist have to submit to TGPS, why don't you just try to make the auto submit as generic as possible, then add in specific databases for TGPs or LLs or Pic Posts Or Movie Posts and what not.

I will gladly lend you my time to adding new TGPs and LLs ( as I already have quite an extensive access database on LLs and TGPs, all with some fields like rules page and submit page and if it allows free hosting or whatnot)

About the point you made in response to my suggestions :

3) This idea actually comes from a freeware program that I tried to modify to post to no recip TGPs, it's called Flexisubmit, it's some pseudo PERL window program, what it does is it's actually a SE submitter and it gives you the option of adding new SEs, and when u add a SE u just point it to the submit page of the SE and it grabs all the forms from the page and give me the choice of which form to add as the submit form, so if there's 2 forms there on the page it will display each form with a radio button and let me choose which form to add as the search engine's submit form. If this can be done in perl it shouldn't be such a big prob for C++ http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

4) I obviously agree that such a prog would not need to "understand" the rules. However I strongly feel that the we need to have an up to date set of rules page for each tgp. I know not yet a how to achieve this, I'll think on it and let you know hehe http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

5) I agree such an undertaking would be extremely boring and time intensive, but why not get ppl to help you by, issuing special versions of your program without the link on pages generated by having them update the database for you or help in the development? Another option of course would be to only have ppl use your sponser program with your application.

Man I really wish I could program, all I can do right now is code some PHP, i tried learning C++ but it was so much harder than PHP http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

Or you could always develop a much simpler application for ppl who prefer to submit by hand, as of this moment I don't know of any program that just creates a simple framed page, I know I know there's way cool, but it doesn't seperate each TGP into sets of 3-4s.

Why not just write a simple application to generate the recip pages and then generate a framed submit page with each tgp grouped into what the user chooses.

I know such a program will definetly benefit a lot of ppl who still prefer to submit by hand, even ppl who use TGSW hand submit to the BIG tgps.

[MrNice]

Cyberzen

Sure it would be nice allowing it to post to LL's, TGP's, link sites etc. I guess I just have to see where it all leads. My main priority though is to have it submit to TGP's, and if I decides to have it submit to the others as well, that would be nice :-)

3) I guess that would be a solution. It's defenetely worth a deeper thought.

4) Only solution of this I can think of would be adding the rules in the database file. And letting the user himself view the rules in a text control when selecting the TGP's to submit to. And then keep updating this just as keeping updates of the TGP forms fields.

5) Somthing like that would be nice. Though since I am totally discaring the idea of putting a link on the galleries I have to think of some other way to make the software unique for people helping with the database.

I guess I could add some nice extra features for them. But after writing them I am sure I will want everyone to benefit from them. And not only a small number of helpers.

I could always offer them a spot in the about dialog or main panel, stating their website URL and stuff like that. But I dunno if that's enough :-)


Sure I could make it more "manual". But since the main point on this software was to make everything as automatic as just possible I don't see that as an option really.

I wanted this to be something more than just a TGPGO clone.

I am going to begin some small "sketching" today. We'll just have to see how things progress I guess.

MrNice

[Benny81]

Just want to add, that adding a link on every gallery wouldn't give you an advantage.if a surfer sees your link he just will keep on surfing. I think you could copy the idea of tgpgo. the thing with the se thing. just my 2cents. hope you really get your project going.

One last thing: i hope you make the adding of tgp's as easy as possible and there should be s.th. that let's you exchange datbases with other webmaster's.Linklist submitter woul be cool too.

[MrNice]

Yes I know, that's actually one possibility as well as the thing that TGP owners also will see this. And maybe ban the gallery since it was auto-submitted. That's why I've decided not to do this.

I've actually thought about the search engine feature. But I think it's stealing too much from TGPGO, and I don't like that...

Yes, I think it should be as easy as just possible to add new TGP's. I know how important it is for webmasters to be able to add their own ones. So I will try making it as pain-less as just possible. And hopefully automatic. For example I do not like letting users manually edit the database file, like TGPGO requires.

MrNice

[zgorf]

www.sex4ring.com (http://www.sex4ring.com) doesn't work...?


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MattressKing:

But, now there's a place, www.sex4ring.com (http://www.sex4ring.com) where you can buy the databse for a hundred bucks.
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[Lizard]

Please use your brains and exchange that
url via email or icq NOT here, or we will have
10.000 newbies spamming the TGP's and making
it even harder to get listed with tgsw.

[The Badgurl]

Just use the KISS principle for when it comes to setting it up..Please!

*lol*

I'm not a blonde, but my husband calls me an "Honourary"

email me if there is anything I can do to help..or if you want my TGP to add to it.

badgurl@fuckgallery.net

Thanks Mr.Nice

[eAlex]

Been considering writing such a prog too http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif Yes, TGSW is cool, it's probably the best on the market so far, but I had to rewrite some code to make it more intelligent and flexible... still it's far from being perfect http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif MrNice, email or ICQ me: maybe I could give you a hand (that is if you need it http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Cyberzen, is it possible to have a look at your TGP database? Thanks!

[MrNice]

I've been playing around with it a bit. But will begin working on it for real any day now.

eAlex

I don't think I will be needing any help with the coding (not at the moment at least). Though what I probably will need is lots of help adding TGP sites to the database. But this will probably take a while, since I will have to finish the database features first.

I will be giving the people helping me with the database special privileges such as their name and website URL somewhere in the application. But haven't really decided on this yet.

Though one thing that I defenetely will need help with is graphics. Such as a logo for the application and so on.

But I'll let you know if I need any help with coding eAlex, thank you.

MrNice

[Cyberzen]

Lemme know what fields you'll need in the database and I'll add them.

[MrNice]

Cyberzen

Thanks,

When the time comes I will be posting a new message which people that want to help can respond to.

There has already been several people stating that they want to help. I think this is a very possitive thing, this means that we will be able to make the database larger.

I'll let you all know how things proceed.

One thing I would like to know though. How automatic would you all like it to be? E.g. do you prefere to upload the galleris yourself to your ftp. Or you want the software to do this? Do you want to create the galleries yourself and this software simply adds the corresponding buttons. Or do you want create a template where images are automatically inserted depending on which one's been used? etc

MrNice

[basschick]

i would love to have a submission tool that lets me make the galleries, then lets me put in the descriptions and posts the galleries. that would make my life beautiful!

[The Badgurl]

I'll lend a hand, if I can find some time.

Not too many hours...I hate data entry!

(by the way, my preference, everything automatic except the ftp thingy..that might make it too complicated)

[quotealex]

I'm with basschick on that.

[Cyberzen]

I think most of the experienced webmasters would like to have the program as felxible as possible.

In my opinion as long as the program submits the corresponding gallery urls to the correct tgp it works fine for me.