4 minutes of your time.

[tmknight]

I ask everyone with opinions of the United States to listen to this broadcast by respected Canadian journalist Gordon Sinclair. This was broadcasted right after the US withdrew from Vietnam and was under severe critism from its citizens and foreign leaders.

http://cfrb.klickit.com/ram/americans.ram

It only takes 4+ minutes to listen to and is better than reading the transcript.

[William]

Yipee! I want to be brainwashed too!

[tmknight]

LOL, you're a fool.

[William]

Ofcourse you consider me as a fool because I am not pro-America. That's a part of the brainwash. LOL!

[tmknight]

I consider you a fool because you have one thought and one thought only.

Bashing the United States as a whole is as easy as citizens of the United States bashing all Islamics.

It's narrow minded and yes, shows you are a fool.

[William]

Then show me where I "bash" you, don't just say it!

And look at who's narrow-minded here, I look at BOTH sides, you are only seing it from the US perspective. Go figure you liar!

[tmknight]

Yes, I see this death and destruction from only one perspective.

That it is wrong.

I am not untruthful, to you or my own countrymen. Yet you call me a liar.

I say what I have said and stand by it. I have said dropping atomic bombs was a wrong decision in WWII - regardless that it saved overall lives - because it indiscremently killed innocent people. Many of my countrymen disagree with me.

I say there is good and bad about US policy. I say WTC and Pentagon bombings are very bad.

I point out a 1973 canadian reporter speaking about United States and you say "brainwash".

You celebrate and defend anarchy. I celebrate and defend my freedom and yours. Without United States, the world lives in tyranny by suppressors that don't allow you to voice your opinions.

The United States has good and bad history. I celebrate the good and condemn the bad, because I can. You celebrate the bad and ignore the good, because you are a fool.

[William]

Then show me where I celebrate and defend anarchy, don't just say it... Do you have a fetish for lying about your imagined enemies?

I mostly agreed with you and almost thought you were an ok guy until you started that bullshit on your 15th line.

I do not celebrate or defend anarchy, nor celebrate "the bad" as you put it, I never have and never will, so you need to stop this lying bullshit now and point out where I do these things or say sorry for what you said.

I have critized both sides, and only the Americans can't take it as men, they start to whine about how much I hate USA and support anarchy/terrorism etc. What is wrong with you crybabies? You must be able to take a little critisism like everybody else.

[William]

Damn, we should spend our energy trying to get Tim to enable the edit function instead. Hehe. I had some typos I would like to correct...

[tmknight]

You only needed one post to prove your celebration for anarchy,

"I can't deny my feelings anymore. I must laugh! Hahahhahahaha! Your own medicine eh Americans?

Uhm, what I meant was; my condolenses."

As for your defense of anarchy, you've been doing it since then.

The bombings in New York and Washington are sorrowful, not funny. Regardless of your feelings towards the United States. You showed your humanity and compassion.

I reiterate that, "You celebrate and defend anarchy"

[tmknight]

I did not have any typos, but perhaps I should have bolded your quote to emphasize it?

You call me anything you like, but your words are very simply... your words.

[William]

BTW, you say you are so good and have so much freedom... Then tell me why you kept blacks as slaves, discriminate against Asians, blacks, hispanics, whites, you name it. Also I would like to know why CIA are allowed to kill innocent citizens in this free country you are talking about. Sounds more like a terror regime to me...

And let's not go into the laws of some of your states... Oral sex, adultery, gay marriages etc are illegal in many of your states. Wow! Sounds really FREE!

[William]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tmknight:
You only needed one post to prove your celebration for anarchy,

"I can't deny my feelings anymore. I must laugh! Hahahhahahaha! Your own medicine eh Americans?

Uhm, what I meant was; my condolenses."

As for your defense of anarchy, you've been doing it since then.

The bombings in New York and Washington are sorrowful, not funny. Regardless of your feelings towards the United States. You showed your humanity and compassion.

I reiterate that, "You celebrate and defend anarchy"</font>

Geez, what a celebration of anarchy and defending of "bad"! I am a bad, mean terrorist aren't I... You must have a twisted mind to interpret a little laughter at US as celebration of anarcy!

[William]

Hmmm, I guess I should just stop trying to explain retards what laughter is. I forgot you can read my mind and see what I meant with it! Yeah right...

[William]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tmknight:
I did not have any typos, but perhaps I should have bolded your quote to emphasize it?

You call me anything you like, but your words are very simply... your words.</font>

I will only call you what you have proven yourself to be... A liar.

[tmknight]

You celebrated the killing of innocent people, regardless of what spin you like to put on it now.

I never have celebrated or condoned the killing of innocent people by my government of any other.

The history of the US is tainted, like any other country. I have never defended it as a whole.

You asked for proof, I showed you, then you try to turn it around to me.

You are the liar.

You celebrate death in the United States.

I celebrate death nowhere, regardless if it is my countrymen or innocents elsewhere.

There is a huge difference between you and I.

[William]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tmknight:
You celebrated the killing of innocent people, regardless of what spin you like to put on it now.

I never have celebrated or condoned the killing of innocent people by my government of any other.

The history of the US is tainted, like any other country. I have never defended it as a whole.

You asked for proof, I showed you, then you try to turn it around to me.

You are the liar.

You celebrate death in the United States.

I celebrate death nowhere, regardless if it is my countrymen or innocents elsewhere.

There is a huge difference between you and I.</font>

Now you are going at it again. I don't know what to say really. I feel sorry for you, I really do.

You say I am now trying to give another meaning to the laughting matter. Right? Yes. Well here you go lying again. I have explained that matter to retards like you ever since I posted it. Read the posts after it if you are able to and you will see.

I have my views, and know exactly what they are. Nobody have the right to tell me what I believe and whatnot!

[William]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tmknight:
You celebrated the killing of innocent people...</font>

I will put more weight in this and try my best to get this into your... Uhm... Limited brains, shall we say?

I have my views, and know exactly what they are. Nobody have the right to tell me what I believe and whatnot!

[tmknight]

If you truly meant it as a joke, then you truly have no tact.

We are 72 hours removed from the killing of over 10,000 people. You posted that in what? The first 24 hours?

You trying to say it's a joke and condemning myself or others for no send of humor shows your true self.

There is no need for me to attempt to understand your humor. You have proven yourself here with your comments. Your attempt to defend yourself by attacking me only proves my point.

[William]

Is this how you Americans get your way? Telling people over and over again what they believe and what they think? It sure as hell seems so.

[William]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tmknight:
If you truly meant it as a joke, then you truly have no tact.

We are 72 hours removed from the killing of over 10,000 people. You posted that in what? The first 24 hours?

You trying to say it's a joke and condemning myself or others for no send of humor shows your true self.

There is no need for me to attempt to understand your humor. You have proven yourself here with your comments. Your attempt to defend yourself by attacking me only proves my point.</font>

Well, if it make it any better for you I can tell you that when I posted this I had just heard what happened, and didn't know the extent of it.

Furthermore, it was not a joke, I was merely ammused of the irony in it all. You can interpret irony? Well, anyway, the irony in it was that the US finally got some shit back for all their bombings and massacres in other countries.

[William]

UNDERSTAND?

We can go through it again if you'd like.

[tmknight]

I don't need to bold or highlight anything, but perhaps I should as I said earlier.

You asked for proof, you got it.

You say I need a sense of humor, but you have no jokes.

You defend and rejoice ruthless killing because Americans deserve it.

In truth, Americans don't celebrate bombings of other innocent people. US citizens like to help others, consider themselves good people, regardless of whether their government does everything right. But you find satisfaction in suffering of US citizens pain and death.

[tmknight]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by William:
Furthermore, it was not a joke, I was merely ammused of the irony in it all. You can interpret irony? Well, anyway, the irony in it was that the US finally got some shit back for all their bombings and massacres in other countries.</font>

Yes, I understand irony. I understand celebration, or as you say, "ammused" over the death of thousand of innocent people.

You don't have to worry about me being of inadequate comprehension. You should really worry about yourself and your purpose on earth.

[William]

I don't need to bold or highlight anything, but perhaps I should as I said earlier.
Fair enought, I figured you have a brain, considering you can use the net and all...

You asked for proof, you got it.
I asked for proof of me celebrate anarchy, and never received it.

You say I need a sense of humor, but you have no jokes.
I have never told you that!!! Stop the lying, if not for me, then for the dead people!

You defend and rejoice ruthless killing because Americans deserve it.
I never said that! Liar! What did I just tell you about the "irony of the situation"?

Stop telling me what I believe and whatnot!

In truth, Americans don't celebrate bombings of other innocent people. US citizens like to help others, consider themselves good people, regardless of whether their government does everything right. But you find satisfaction in suffering of US citizens pain and death.
I DO NOT find any satisfaction in death! You are sick!

[William]

IRONY OF THE SITUATION!

Not dead people! Since you keep insisting on that, why don't you tell me what else to think also? I guess you must be acommoned to the idea of finding satisfaction of death since you keep telling me that.


Why won't you just let me have free will and think what I do without objection.

Stop tying to tell me what I think!

[tmknight]

Yes, you are right.

I was brainwashed into thinking the United States was attacked 72 hours ago and thousands of innocents killed.
I was brainwashed into thinking you made a post celebrating the irony of the deaths.
I was brainwashed into thinking the US has done some good along with all the bad you think.
I was brainwashed into thinking the US is preparing for war.

Actually, now that I think about it... all of that is true.

I have no ill feelings towards you, but I will not discuss this further with you in this thread. You are welcome to say whatever you like and get in every last word you feel necessary.

[William]

Ok, let's go over the facts...


- William laughted over the irony in the situation when he first heard the news, and without knowing the extent of what happened.

- Some US webmasters on an Adult webmasters board tell william "No you meant something else! You celebrated terrorism!"

- William object, and try to tell in a friendly matter in several posts that this what not the case.

- The US webmasters started screaming "NO! You celebrated terrorism! You hate USA! You hate us! We know better than you what you are thinking!"

- William is quite sure of what his political and humane views are, and he tries to object once again, but for no use. The webmasters are dillerious and fanatic and refuse to listen to anything other than what they agree to, just like children not having their will.


... :P

[William]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tmknight:
Yes, you are right.

I was brainwashed into thinking the United States was attacked 72 hours ago and thousands of innocents killed.
I was brainwashed into thinking you made a post celebrating the irony of the deaths.
I was brainwashed into thinking the US has done some good along with all the bad you think.
I was brainwashed into thinking the US is preparing for war.

Actually, now that I think about it... all of that is true.

I have no ill feelings towards you, but I will not discuss this further with you in this thread. You are welcome to say whatever you like and get in every last word you feel necessary.</font>

Yeah, just keep going with those nice lies...

[William]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tmknight:
Yes, you are right.

I was brainwashed into thinking the United States was attacked 72 hours ago and thousands of innocents killed.
I was brainwashed into thinking you made a post celebrating the irony of the deaths.
I was brainwashed into thinking the US has done some good along with all the bad you think.
I was brainwashed into thinking the US is preparing for war.

Actually, now that I think about it... all of that is true.

I have no ill feelings towards you, but I will not discuss this further with you in this thread. You are welcome to say whatever you like and get in every last word you feel necessary.</font>

Just to clear things up for people reading, I have NOT said anything of the above, this webmaster is just plain lying. I suggest you double check everything he says from now on.

[baddog]

I think it is clear that William has realized that his public display, ie: laughing at the fate of the US, was not a very intelligent idea from a financial point of view. so he has attempted to color his comments as being something else.

I suggest you go look at the thread when he laughed at us and make your own decision.

Personally, I think he is full of shit.

[William]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by bad_dog:
I think it is clear that William has realized that his public display, ie: laughing at the fate of the US, was not a very intelligent idea from a financial point of view. so he has attempted to color his comments as being something else.

I suggest you go look at the thread when he laughed at us and make your own decision.

Personally, I think he is full of shit.</font>

Hahaha, you are thinking too highly of yourself bad_dog, how would I loose from it anyway? BTW, you know as good as me that I have tried to explain it to you ever since it started. It's just that you haven't understood it until now. Took you 2 days, but better late then never huh.

[Makaveli]

Hey William have I told you lately that your a turd? How's your rip off site of easy pic doing these days?

[Angel11]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by William:
BTW, you say you are so good and have so much freedom... Then tell me why you kept blacks as slaves, discriminate against Asians, blacks, hispanics, whites, you name it. Also I would like to know why CIA are allowed to kill innocent citizens in this free country you are talking about. Sounds more like a terror regime to me...

And let's not go into the laws of some of your states... Oral sex, adultery, gay marriages etc are illegal in many of your states. Wow! Sounds really FREE!</font>

this is FUCKING PATHETIC, not a single person here owned a slave and most of the peopls ancestors didnt either unless they were rich, dont start with the fucking slave Shit, so far William your opinions have just rolled off of me not really catching my eye because they are just that, your opinions but when y9ou stat draggin up slavery is when you have taken it to far.

[toker]

And even worse its a known fact Spanish brought the slaves to the US not americans. Furthermore i happen to have visited one of the ports where they brought slaves into florida and non of which was built by the US government.

We already had our little discussion William and now you cnt hide the lies and talk your shit. I see what you really are Jealous of US people and the freedom we have.

You want to talk about countries??

Colombia kills innocent people (Drug Cartels), Africa kills innocent people (Tribal Wars), Spain tortures animals (bulls), Arabs kill themselves (Ticket To Heaven), Italy kills innocent people (Mafia), Russia also (KGB) and there are many more that you can try to compair with the CIA.

Now should we talk about anything your government does wrong??

Im sure i can dig up scandals and past mistakes. I also bet you have done immoral things in your lifetime that caused harm to others. You try to talk shit then only back it with more bullshit. Take your slaves, bombs, and CIA crap and shove it (You Know Where.

Take a look at the shit US has done for so many. If you hate the US so much then same for you dont take our fuckin money.

For all you fuckers who talk all this shit and laugh about the tragedy over a computer just be glad you can hide behind it. Not one of you sick fucks could stand up and fight me like a man and i will bet that on my life. If you ever decide to come to florida to visit be sure to look me up (Whois) because you will be going home in a bodybag.

I promise you i aint the one to fuck with!!

[William]

*lol* Toker, since when did I hate you? Do you read my mind or are you just plain lying to get through a point or what? Do you WANT me to hate you? Is that it? Since you keep repeating it that is.

As I see it, your minds are all blurred with hate and you are trying to find something/someone to take out your hate, anger and frustration on.

Such people can't be discussed with, not on this matter at this time anyway, so calm down and we can continue this debate in a few days, sounds ok to you?

Go find something soft like a pillow and hit it hard many times and you will perhaps feel better. *lol*

[William]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Angel11:
this is FUCKING PATHETIC, not a single person here owned a slave and most of the peopls ancestors didnt either unless they were rich, dont start with the fucking slave Shit, so far William your opinions have just rolled off of me not really catching my eye because they are just that, your opinions but when y9ou stat draggin up slavery is when you have taken it to far.</font>

I didn't say you owned any slaves or blamed you of anything, I was just talking facts to the person gloathing about his "free" country! You need to understand what I say before you start bitching at it!

BTw, Toker, you said I was jealous of your free country... Why would I? My country has much more freedom than yours no matter what. Try to explain what areas/subjects you are more free in if you can.

[HeLiS]

william i am not in the US i am an aussie and hey we dont always love the yanks but the shit you have been saying is just fucked up so please do as below

SHUT THE FUCK UP ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!

you call the yanks cry babies but you cant seem to shut your month for more then 5mins so give us all a break....please


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by William:
*lol* Toker, since when did I hate you? Do you read my mind or are you just plain lying to get through a point or what? Do you WANT me to hate you? Is that it? Since you keep repeating it that is.

As I see it, your minds are all blurred with hate and you are trying to find something/someone to take out your hate, anger and frustration on.

Such people can't be discussed with, not on this matter at this time anyway, so calm down and we can continue this debate in a few days, sounds ok to you?

Go find something soft like a pillow and hit it hard many times and you will perhaps feel better. *lol*</font>

[William]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by HeLiS:
william i am not in the US i am an aussie and hey we dont always love the yanks but the shit you have been saying is just fucked up so please do as below

SHUT THE FUCK UP ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!

you call the yanks cry babies but you cant seem to shut your month for more then 5mins so give us all a break....please


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Yès, yes, I agree (To some of it), but what do they expect when they bitch at me, lie, send me death threats and the like?

I suppose I should just take it without saying a damn thing, right? Hmmm...

[HeLiS]

william if you know its not true why do you worry ? do you care what others thing ? if i called you a camel fucker would you believe you fucked camels ? no you wouldnt so let it go.....let them say what they want....alot of yanks thing aussies are stuck up and that we think our country is alot better then it actually is....

well i know the truth i would never reply and try and fight because hey what diff is it to me if someone dont like me or australia they are not my friends so to hell with em http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

everyone on these boards needs to relax a little if you got gas to let out go do something good for your country pick up rubbish or help some old lady across the road...anything just everyone dont waste time with piss wars cause they are pointless and not worth the power needed for my modem to download em http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

so william it was not an attack against you just someone needs to stop replying and let this die.....

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by William:
Yès, yes, I agree (To some of it), but what do they expect when they bitch at me, lie, send me death threats and the like?

I suppose I should just take it without saying a damn thing, right? Hmmm...</font>

[HeLiS]

oh god my post looks like i am bagging the US

I AM NOT!!

i think what happened has changed the way i look at things now and trust me if i was in NY i'd be there helping more shit

i am just making the point everyone has a reason to dislike someone or someone but really why does it need to be worded on boards?.....

example i am somewhat freaked by gays....now i think if i actually knew some i'd learn to understand them and have no problem with them but right now i dont and i dont like them around me but i'd never say get away from me fag i'd move or just keep my mouth shut cause i know what i think is because i am uneducated in that field

so really we can love white people or hate them or love black people or hate them but what ever we decide it is for your self only these kind of thoughts should never be made public because they can hurt people

so lets just leave it at that and see if WW3 is about to start...i'll be down to mcdonalds in a sec to put on 50kg if its war...there is no way in hell i am dying for my country..screw that i might fight for my footy team but not my country

[William]

Yes, you are right. I will stop talking to them/about it, but when people talk about how much I hate USA or support terrorism like there has been done in several posts made in these last three days, it's hard to be silent you know.

Oh well, I'll just hope they come around to figure it out soon.


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[HeLiS]

this is nothing wrong with defending your self but keep and open mind and try to make your defence finish what was started and not start anything else....

right now americans and alot of other nations are in a kind of shock so its best not to bring up now any things you have against the us


i know i am in a kind of shock...if this can happen to america it can happen anywhere and that scares me i dont feel secure anymore....australia is the place where if we need help america will be right there for us but now i wonder whats the point if they cant even fight it....and i am not talking about the small bombs etc but when 4 planes get hijacked and crashed into places its just scary

the only thing i have worried about over the paste 3 days is telling the peeps i love how much i love them and putting omre effort in to see them and help them because now its not will this kind of thing ever effect me its when will this kind of thing effect me and who of my family might i lose.....


the shit i have seen on this board lately is the kind of shit which starts a war we all need to see that we are all humans no one is better or more smarter we all have the same amount of power to learn and love and one day we will realise this and maybe we wont need to lose family members to things like this

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by William:
Yes, you are right. I will stop talking to them/about it, but when people talk about how much I hate USA or support terrorism like there has been done in several posts made in these last three days, it's hard to be silent you know.

Oh well, I'll just hope they come around to figure it out soon.


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