Relic, watch out for this stupid underage fuck

[run]

Relic, after you were begging me not to start a lawsuit against you, I thought you had enough common sence to keep your ass out of here for a while. I guess i was wrong. Further more, I read about your newly released CJ script in C, right after you stole mine. So i guess it is the right time to show my cards.


I am not the kind of person to be spreading some kind of roumours, so i will only post facts:

1) Relic is under 17 years of age. It is illegal for him to view porn and sell porn.

2) Relic is a kind of person who is hiding his information and wants to stay anonymous. Whois query on any of his domains will not give any results.

3) Relic stole the source code of my script as i was installing it. He also threatened me that he would distribute the script if i dont help him install it on some sites. This is called blackmail and is not legal in US and most any other country.

4) Relic claims to have sources of other CJ scripts, including UCJ. (info from Richard)

Here is some examples of our ICQ conversation:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Im not sure your going to like this but I de-compiled r&b</font> Obviously he does not know what "decompiling" means.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">that's fine
but if I give it to thousands of people
they will all start using it
then I will simply use it and it will not matter
If you play ball here, no one else will get it,
and you will continue to make sales</font>

He also lied about where he has gotten the script:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">like an ftp site
I found it there
with a bunch of files
that was like 2 weeks ago
It had a zip password on it, so I set up a zip password cracker and let it run</font>


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> I can point you to the the person
who stole it while you did the install</font>
I wonder where would you point?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">just do me a favor and don't contact my isp
I am going to delete it from my pc right now
I don't need any more trouble, I just found the thing</font>

Of course the next day i found a copy of my script working on his site...

5) I have more than enough information to send a lawyer after him. I am aware that it will take a lot of time and afforts and money that is why I am not doing it.

These are pure facts. You decide if you want to deal with him.

And Relic &gt;&gt; when i said that i dont want to hear from you anymore, i meant it. You better stay away from where I am, because only seing your nick makes me so fucking MAD http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/mad.gif that i want to kick your ass right a way.

[run]

By the way: If Relic was stupid enough not to delete the sources and distribute it, I will go after every single person who I will find using RB2 illegally. I have a software locating RB2 scripts which from now on i run every night.

And sorry for those honest guys who have nothing to do with this story.

Have a good day

[Relic]

See man now you have pissed me off, and it's time to take things up a notch.

And as for a lawsuit, the reason your not going with it is because you would lose.

Hate to break this to you dumb fuck, but when you upload a tar file to someones server, they CAN DOWNLOAD IT AND USE IT!

I still wouldn't use rb2 though, as it is a total peice of shit compared to what's out there.

By the way, enjoy this month, cause this will be the last month that you sell a copy of r&b. Fucking retard.

[Relic]

oh yes, you know r&b2, looks quite different, when the script is edited, the files are renamed, and the HTML is redone.

You would never even know, that's it's your script. Just mentioning. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[run]

Relic what are YOU so mad about? All i stated here was facts.

[nic]

Relic, if Run is correct, which he probably is, you should be quiet and perhaps leave for a couple years http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Relic]

Yes you stated them publicly.
What me to post the c file?

Tell me how that's different.

[Relic]

Nic, this is frankly between Run and Me. However for some reason he has opted to make this public.

On this board, I try to be a member in good standing as much as I can, and I am not going to let run ruin that.

[richard]

does your mommy know you have porn sites Relic?

[run]

Post it and your toasted.
Or, to be more exact, this applies to your parents.

I didnt steel what i have posted here.

[run]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
On this board, I try to be a member in good standing as much as I can
</font>

and out of this board you are a blackmailing dick.

[richard]

LOL

On this board, I try to be a member in good standing as much as I can, and I am not going to let run ruin that.

I think you've ruined your reputation all on your own mate. You crack me up http://www.adultwebmasterinfo.com/smilies/laugh.gif

[Relic]

Oh if only you knew run.
I have legally done nothing wrong here, and if you think any different than your a fool.

You uploaded the file to my server, I downloaded it, absolutely no crime their.

Now due to the fact that it is copyrighted, it would be 100% illegal to distribute it.

However, if it magically get's out in the open, you could not prove in any way that it came from me.

For all you know, every installation that you have done, has resulted in a copy being downloaded.

[Relic]

Please richard, point out for me, how I have somehow not been in Good Standing, without relating to run.

[run]

The detection is very simple: 2 days ago diesel asked me to add the feature where some gallery link hits would not be logged. Only sites on dieselspace can have that feature and another 2 domains. If i find that fuction on any site except for the ones i know, it is 100% that you distributed it.

Further more, you have threatened me to distibute the sources, and this will also help very much.

[blind]

Relic,

You are an idiot. I suggest never posting again. Run, I wonder what Relic's sponsors would think of his underage? Two can play at that game kid. RB2 is not a bad script so quit your slander. If it sucks that bad why did you steal it?

Wait a couple years before you start talking shit about professionals. And I don't reccomend edging run on by saying you'd lose in a law suit... I'm sure there's plenty of people out there who would benefit from suing you. Just hope you don't plan on using a sponsor again if run is as mad as he sounds.

[Relic]

The tar file is older than that, and therefore would not include your modification.

Also, I am pretty sure that their is some form of call home in the script, as you were able to find my site rather quickly.

If this is the case, I will simply go through all the scripts, looking for any code which opens sockets.

[Relic]

It's amazing what people believe when you tell them your age. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[The Badgurl]

What's this Relic guys home addy and phone number... I do believe the FBI would be more then willing to get your script back, Run.

[Dreamer]

Richard, don't close this thread yet, I want to see where is this going http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">And as for a lawsuit, the reason your not going with it is because you would lose.
</font>

If it is true that he stole his script then I don't doubt that Run will win lawsuit easily, only problem is that lawsuit costs but if Relic pisses him off reall bad then the wouldn't be a problem at all! http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[The Badgurl]

And, this guy making all this money..*lol*

do you know his sponsor codes...any one of em would be more then happy to take his hits fer free...till dumb ass figures out they're not gonna pay him!

*lofl*

You're right Richard, this guy is pure gold!

[run]

His address and all info is known by his host and ISP. I have called terrabyte about it, and they promised to provide all the info they have about him as soon as any authorities address them. I did not call his ISP, because he asked me not to do it and promised to delete the files and shut the fuck up.

[Relic]

You see Dreamer that's where your wrong.

By uploading a file to a server which is legally mine, I am not stealing it, and by definition he is giving me the script.

[Relic]

I did Run

But I am not going to alter the places I visit on the web, due to that agreement.

I agreed to leave you alone, which is what I am trying to do, but you seem hell bent on instigating fights, and I am not one to back down.

I like this board, and generally most of the people here, the last thing I want if for a private issues between you and me, only!

To destroy that.

[The Badgurl]

Your the fucking Dreamer!!!

Where the hell did you ever come up with a stupid idea like that.!!!!

What kind o hacker books you been reading...ya donut head!

GPL? get a grip!

Fuck, show his ISP this thread!!!!

cut and paste it!

they'll laugh his ass right the fuck off that server so fast!

He doesn't even own "the server" you uploaded it too!

I can't take it..this is cracking me right up!

What a fucking gem! priceless!

[Dreamer]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by run:
His address and all info is known by his host and ISP. I have called terrabyte about it, and they promised to provide all the info they have about him as soon as any authorities address them. I did not call his ISP, because he asked me not to do it and promised to delete the files and shut the fuck up.</font>

I think that you should start with your legal actions right away! Also contact all his sponsors and provide them with link to this page! Like BadGurl said they will be interested in receiving free hits to their sites!

[run]

As i have stated before, i earned $7K last month only by selling this script. I am willing to pay all this amount and much more to a lawyer to get him down, because from my point of view he is ruining my bussiness.

I just hope that I will not have to do it.

[Relic]

Badgurl, fuck off this could not even remotely involve you less, and your comments do nothing to help anyone.

You are very quick to point out that you do not want minors here, yet for the most part they have more maturity than you do.

[Dreamer]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by The Badgurl:
Your the fucking Dreamer!!!
</font>

Mentioning me? http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[The Badgurl]

Sorry Dreamer!

couldn't help it..the segway was to easy to pass up!

[Relic]

Run on what basis am I runing your bussiness.

Are you aware of what Deflamation of Caracter is?

[run]

Badgurl &gt;&gt; cut and paste?

damn good idea http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

thanks for the support.

[Dreamer]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Relic:
You are very quick to point out that you do not want minors here, yet for the most part they have more maturity than you do.</font>

I really doubt that with 16 you have more maturity then Badgurl! All comes with time, and you just need to wait! Until then bugg off.

[Relic]

I find it hard to believe that you can say that, given the ovious lack of intelligence in her posts.

[The Badgurl]

Who the fuck ever said I was mature!

I sure didn't...

I can't help it! You crack me up!

Pure genius fucking comedy! Andrew Dice Clay couldn't come up with anything better!

I know your trying to sweep this under the rug relic...

A little late though, don't ya tink?

*wink*

[Much0S]

Run: have you stated in your script's source code or in the program itself that it's copyrighted?

If yes: you can fuck relic.

if not: you're fucked.

Software regulations say that you can easily copyright software, just by saying it's copyrighted. If you do not say it's copyrighted, then you're fucked.

and what's wrong with GPL? I like that license!

[Relic]

The c files do not contain any visible copyright. Just the code, and some comments.

With all my scripts I include


############################################
#Written By:
#Copyright 2001
#Etc...
############################################

[The Badgurl]

ME! *lol*

I'm stupid???
Haqaaaahhhhaaaaaa hahah
guy wants a deflamation ...
more like defecation...

Ya know what that is?

I'll defecate on your character...

lie down right here!

someone get me a pooper scooper!

Oh my..gotta go wipe the tears from my eyes!

wwwwhooooo, this was a good one...

[run]

Of course there are notices in the C files and HTML pages (unless somebody remove it).

I was thinking for quite a while about how to nail his ass a few days ago. Its not easy to prove he stole something, but its damn easy to prove that he blackmaled me. Its also damn easy to prove hes underage and that he runs porn sites. This will be enough to get him down.

[The Badgurl]

You dumb ass..

You admitted on a public board!!!

In front of a hundred witness's..that you stole his fucking script!!!!

What year do you think this is?

Did ya just read how a guys newsgroup postings were admitted in court...

Pure delightfull confession..

====================

MuchOs...I love GPL too..

This doesn't apply here though...I was wondering what rule book he was reading...that made him think that anything he was doing was in the slightest bit legal and defendable in court.

[Relic]

Anyway, this is really consuming too much of my time.

I am just going to say this

Run: I am not going to do shit with your little script, as thers nothing bennefitial in doing so. However if you want, to do something stupid, like contact my ISP, contact Tera Byte, or whatever, then I will play hardball. I have dealt with many people like you, and as long as everyone is nice, it doesn't escalade. But when it does, I come out on top, and that's why im still here.

Your script is useless to me as is, therefore I will simply disregard it.

It terms of Badgurl, I don't wish to ruin my reputation furthermore over this, and so I appologize.

[MrNice]

I don't care if The Badgurl is mature or not, but she for sure is one of the funniest people on this board. Always makes me laugh http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I can seriously say that you're really making a fool out of yourself here Relic... And I don't say that often...

[The Badgurl]

Run...look...

IP LOGGED

he fried his own ass...

[The Badgurl]

Apology Accepted!

have a nice day!

[run]

I wonder how are you able to check for legal notices if you dont have the C files any more?

Oh you do have the files? This makes my future actions perfectly clear.

I was working my ass off for months to get into this bussiness, and i did get here. I will not some underage prick destroy it just by pushing the copy button. Wherever you go Relic, I will follow.

If you had enough brains, you could easily get out of the trouble, because i agreed not to address the authorities if you shut up. But you were not that smart.

Ask your parents to save their money. They will need a lot of it.

[Relic]

See this is the whole maturity thing.
Ah it doesn't matter then, now does it.

For your information, it's called several layers of proxy servers.

[Relic]

Run, I told you I delete it which I did.
I was making a reference to last friday.

You will notice when I sent you the in.c, it contained no copyright information.

I no longer have the script.

[Dreamer]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by The Badgurl:
Run...look...

IP LOGGED

he fried his own ass...

</font>

Yes, this is proof enough.

Anyway, lets get calm down for few hours and then Run should decide what to do with Relic.

P.S. This was great half an hour http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
And yes, Badgurl is one of funniest people here!

[The Badgurl]

Aanhhhh,,,he just admitted how he might have covered his tracks while posting here too!

the judge is gonna love this guy!


You know, that I know, that you know,...

that you weren't using a proxy...

Seriouly though...have a great day!

[run]

I have all the IPs from this board and ICQ. (tim gave it to me). One of the IPs was from his school and he admited it.

[PornoWill]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Relic:
Run, I told you I delete it which I did.
I was making a reference to last friday.

You will notice when I sent you the in.c, it contained no copyright information.

I no longer have the script.</font>

If you don't have the script anymore, why did you try to sell it to me over ICQ yesterday then?

Hehe, just kidding... http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

*Cough*

...

[Relic]

Just for my information

What crime have I commited?

[Dreamer]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Relic:
Just for my information

What crime have I commited?</font>

Blackmail!

[Relic]

oh that's creative

No really, something which doesn't fall into the $500 fine category.

[ThaKiller]

this thread made my day.

badgurl http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Relic]

I like the way everyone quickly shuts up when asked to point out an actual, crime that I have commited.

[Dreamer]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Relic:
oh that's creative

No really, something which doesn't fall into the $500 fine category.</font>

I think that TRYING to sell/edit copyrighted is also crime.

I'm not sure if you paid for that script of you got it because you hosted with diesel. If you got it from diesel then script isn't yours and you don't have any rights over it accept those wich diesel gave you.

[run]

Thank you guys for all the support and understanding you have shown. I always tried to play it honestly, thats why im getting pissed when idiots like this come in my way.

No major harm has been done yet. (except for wasting my time http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif). I was in a need to know that i can nail his ass anytime if he does anything more stupid than he has already done. Now I'm 100% sure.

[PornoWill]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dreamer:
I think that TRYING to sell/edit copyrighted is also crime.

I'm not sure if you paid for that script of you got it because you hosted with diesel. If you got it from diesel then script isn't yours and you don't have any rights over it accept those wich diesel gave you.

</font>

Well, thinking of distributing copyrighted material can hardly be a crime, neither can it be a crime to state that he have that option.

[Relic]

First off I don't even know/care who dielsel is.

Secondly, run, quit wasting your time typing, as you have no crime to pin on me, and therefore have no case.

Please run, tell me what you would bring me to court for?

[Much0S]

The crime you comitted?

STUPIDITY!

Legally wise:
- Stealing software
- Trying to alter it
- Trying to sell it
- Trying to blackmail with it
- Did I mention being stupid?

Probably you lost all credability, if I were you (well if I were you I would never do such a thing, but let's just say if) I would move out of the country, have another face put on ur head, and come back after some years, perhaps ppl have forgotten you by then. BTW: (just because you're not that smart and need all, full, advice): after you've done this: change your Nick too!

Ofcourse a frontal lobotomie would help also, then you would really peacefull, to all of us.

[Relic]

Finnaly a competent non-bias opinion.

Pornowill, I applaud you, for not immeadiatly siding with the popular though.

[run]

Relic did not pay for the script. Still he used it on his site without my permission. As stated in the note, it is not legal to modify, copy and use it without my explicit permission. This makes it illegal. Terrabyte has been sent a notice and can confirm that my script was located on a server, where i never uploaded the script. It was uploaded by Relic.

[Relic]

MuchOS

I did not steal anything
I have not altered anything
I have not blackmailed anyone

[Dreamer]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by PornoWill:
Well, thinking of distributing copyrighted material can hardly be a crime, neither can it be a crime to state that he have that option.</font>

Thinking and trying are 2 different things. Anyway, think probably isn't anything solid but it can help!

I just got idea how he can nail him but hate to post it on the board. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Much0S]

Legally run, if he hasn't actually used the script, changed it, or sold it, you have very minor chances winning I think... him saying so (even in written) only proofs he's a morron.

[Relic]

Run, that may be the case

But you provided my with the tar file.

It's like giving someone a book, and not letting them read it, it doesn't work.

And by the way, we have a seperate deal, in relation to me refering customers in exchange for a copy of the script.

[Much0S]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">And by the way, we have a seperate deal, in relation to me refering customers in exchange for a copy of the script. </font>

wait a fucking minute - is this whole thread just an issue to get attention to RB2?

WTF: perhaps you should try the microsoft way (the presentation that Bill gave some time ago): try to trash some servers with your script, that will get you in the point of attention for sure! http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Dreamer]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by run:
Relic did not pay for the script. Still he used it on his site without my permission. As stated in the note, it is not legal to modify, copy and use it without my explicit permission. This makes it illegal. Terrabyte has been sent a notice and can confirm that my script was located on a server, where i never uploaded the script. It was uploaded by Relic.
</font>

First of all I think that this is prouf enough.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
MuchOS
I did not steal anything
I have not altered anything
I have not blackmailed anyone
</font>

This just shows that you are fried.

[Relic]

Run, have you noticed how little of a case you have.

Almost everything you have said is based on assumptions of guilt and actions.

[Much0S]

Or perhaps ppl are trying to get to "Big Jerk" level with just 1 thread? http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Relic]

(That's the Plan...) :-|

[Dreamer]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Much0S:
wait a fucking minute - is this whole thread just an issue to get attention to RB2?

WTF: perhaps you should try the microsoft way (the presentation that Bill gave some time ago): try to trash some servers with your script, that will get you in the point of attention for sure! http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif</font>

hehehe... if you are right, then we should all ask for a copy of script because we advertized it http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Dreamer]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Much0S:
Or perhaps ppl are trying to get to "Big Jerk" level with just 1 thread? http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif</font>

HEHEHE!!!
I think that he made it! http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[run]

Everything i have stated in this thread is 100% pure facts, as far as i know them. I can prove my every word, or I can provide my source of information.

I think it is time for you to leave now. Dont make it worse.

*bye_bye_kiss* or to be more exact, *bye_bye_kick_in_the_ass*

[Relic]

Alright well im outta here.

As for Run, this although lenghty post didn't accomplish much, except perhaps relive a bit of anger, and provide the entire board with too much detail.

I will icq you later today, and we can talk privately.

[Relic]

One quick thing, how many posts do I need for "Big Jerk" status?

[run]

you need to be a Big Jerk to be a "Big Jerk" if you know what I'm saying. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[pyro]

wow .. 70 replies..that has to be a record..?

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Relic]

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif I got to go.
I am starting to realize that I somewhat fucked up on this one.

[Dreamer]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Relic:
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif I got to go.
I am starting to realize that I somewhat fucked up on this one.

</font>

Don't say! You didn't noticed before? http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[pyro]

relic, whats your icq?

[eRock]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Relic:
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif I got to go.
I am starting to realize that I somewhat fucked up on this one.

</font>

LMAO...that's classic!

[Relic]

Err, im just glad I didn't start distrbuting it or anything stupid. Ah well im an idiot.

[The Chosen]

hehe Relic you just don't have limits ! when first time I saw you turn to the Porn buisness I was allmost sure that it gonna end like that..
Your big problem is that you don't know how to respect other people hard work like you did now with Run and did to me in the past when you hacked one of my sponsors account..
I really didn't want to post about you that you are a little cheater here to give you a chance but seems that you didn't learn anything from the last time that you tried to steal and now as I can guess, you can forget of making any money from in this scene because anyone who got a brain will bann you forever http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[The Chosen]

Also, I think that if one of the moderators won't close this theard, it's gonna be the longest one in the history http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/tongue.gif

[netw0rks]

looks like im not the only one having issues in this board

[netw0rks]

no more comments? lol

[richard]

yep Netw0rks, it looks like you are not the only one who is cerebrally challenged http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif