SITES WITH LOLITA IN THEM....... [Archive]

turf

01-29-2002, 01:35 PM

I really think they should use some of the fee money to buy them a clue...

Guess they never heard about the language evolving through the use and with age... Some might think of a lolita as it was ment in the book of the same name, but i think that people in general think of a lolita as a young looking sexy girl.. so people looking at lolita sites and lolita links dont go for CP and dont want CP (as a general rule)... they want legal young looking sexy girls getting fucked...

Dont give me this usual shit about "but thats a teen so they should use the teen word". we the webmasters, killed the teen term when we tried to sell 30 year old hags with pigtails as teens...

So as the language evolved a lolita became a teen of legal age having sex and not this 12 year old bimbo from the book...

Thats just my take on the matter... But as we probably all have been trying to live by the dialer rules anyways - it should really effect us too much as they sure as hell dont like the word lolita either :D

will get down of sopebox now... thanx for reading ...

turf

01-29-2002, 01:40 PM

sorry wasnt quite finished yet.. so stepping on sopebox again :D

first off a big thanx to elron for illustrating my point in his sig... http://www.lolitafuckmovies.com/
this isnt CP it is legal teens looking nice young and sexy getting fucked...

Now try and imagin this as a teen site... and all the models would look 5-10 years older and with bigger boobs...

thanx... stepping of the box for good..

snow

01-29-2002, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by elron:

By the way i hate to see dialer sponsors that went down althought thry are not promoting any lolita sites :D

Sad to see proud webmasters with lolita sites who think there cybererotica and never made over 10,000 min a day..Some guys just learn the hard way...Elron wher is the Love??----> :) :)BLOW ME :) :)

elron

01-29-2002, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by snow:


Sad to see proud webmasters with lolita sites who think there cybererotica and never made over 10,000 min a day..Some guys just learn the hard way...Elron wher is the Love??----> :) :)BLOW ME :) :)

What are you proud of ? , you spammed every single keyboard holder and together they made 1,000,000 minutes/day for you :D
Yo Snow , after i saw your picture from vegas i kinda have a different opinion about you , really . you have a cute smily face :)

snow

01-29-2002, 04:33 PM

Elron we go back a ways in the cj days..Our blood is closer then most.. So shut the fuck up now,or i keellllll yuuu israli style

snow

01-29-2002, 04:42 PM

HOW CAN ANYONE RESIST ME..............

http://www.oliver-klozov.com/lasvegas2002/playersball/Images/80.jpg

snow

01-29-2002, 04:46 PM

OOPS
http://www.killerasses.com/images/80.jpg

toker

01-29-2002, 07:00 PM

Ah sheit whos that chick??

Can i get some of that??

I will pay $20 for a lap dance.. :D

erotictrance

01-29-2002, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by elron:


That will cost us exactly 7$ for buying new domain for our paysites , and redirecting the old domain to the new one .


I dunno. From what I read, any links, redirects, metatags, etc. with lolita are supposed to be totally banned now ...

Bullet

01-29-2002, 08:37 PM

People, do you think this is going to do anything to the current lolita pay sites out there?

anyone remember this site? www.privatel.tv (http://www.privatel.tv)

snow

01-29-2002, 08:39 PM

I do thats my whole point bro...If visa pulls out it's gonna hurt yeah..The whole argument is yeah but there are leagal content girls and there atleast 18.. Thats not the point..The whole point is that your advertising at young,innocent,lolita,preteen.. All of that will go out the door..

matuloo

01-29-2002, 08:57 PM

Yeah well, is lolita ment to be an underage girls or not? Are there sites with lolita term in the domain name that actually have no underage girls within the members section? Sure there are such a sites.

BUT, why is anyone using the word lolita?

Cause evryone knows a lolita is supposed to be an underage chick, everyone knows it, dont fucking tell me that you (who ever you are) use the word lolita without knowing its gonna atract surfers looking for underage girls.

The word lolita was and always will be used as a way to pass the CP laws. The lolita word was always used to cause the surfers to click more... why? cause fuckups looking for underage models know that it is harder to find that kind of crap so they are willing to click more to get their sick minds satistied.

Lolita stands for underage and will always mean the same, otherwise it wouldnt be so atractive.

Who ever says that, he or she is not using the word lolita to make the site look like an "almost illegal" or "banned" or "underground" or any kind of crap is bullshiting or not seeing the truth.

Now go on and start blaming me for this post but you all know it is true !!!

harvey

01-29-2002, 09:37 PM

Well, if someone can't do business without the use of the word "Lolita", then he/she should move out to a biz requiring less skills... McDonalds, maybe? ;)

And yes, matuloo, I know it's true and I agree 110% with you

turf

01-30-2002, 01:41 AM

sorry but i have to disagree with you there...

Just like there are new words invented and used every day - the language evolves the words we already use... On the internet we killed the word teens by selling 30 year old hags with pigtails... So we moved on and started calling them teens even thoug they werent that, and too the word lolita into use as meaning a teen of legal age but still young sexy and hot...

I bet if you do some digging you will see words that has evolved from what you grandfathers grandfather figured they ment to what we mean today... and we today have tons of words they didnt even use then...

I cant find any in english as its not my main language and i wouldnt know that much about it... but one things sure its that way with my native language...

I am not saying this is a change that happens over night, evolution never does... but i think it has started with the word lolita now...

sonicpuke

01-30-2002, 03:03 AM

Don't be stupid. We use the word lolita for one simple reason. Surfers click it.

Same reason people use brittany spears or any other high clicking link they find.

So I guess visa will be the word police now?

Another hypocrytical act. Instead of actually seeing if site are providing child porn and doing something about it (Like reporting or calling cops) visa will for no good reason hurt peoples bussiness and act as though they are doing something to prevent child porn (Which this act will do very little to slow down I'm afraid)

If a site is selling child porn. This is illegal in almost if not all countries. Visa could easily shut them down if not have them arrested and keep their money probabbly to boot. But this would take effort so they will prosecute innocent people to make less work for them while not even stopping any child porn. (Just the word lolita? Wow that should stop child porn in it's tracks eh? sigh....)

sonic

snow

01-30-2002, 03:50 AM

Whatever the case may be..Weather it's anyones opinion..It will be banned Bottom line..

turf

01-30-2002, 03:59 AM

Originally posted by sonicpuke:
Don't be stupid. We use the word lolita for one simple reason. Surfers click it.


I agree we used it cause people click on it... but why do they click more on it then teen links ?? Because teens = 30 year old hags on the internet where as lolita is really a teen... go figure...

stramm

01-30-2002, 05:57 AM

Turf!!!
not all webmasters use the word teen for your 30 year old gals. Not all webmasters use lolita descriptions instead. It's only a few not that creative guys with ethics like a mushroom.
And why don't you just go back to the word teen and show teens when surfers click that description. You know it works cause as you describe yourself it has worked once before when changing to 'lolita'.
k, no to the point. Not the word 'lolita' is really sick but what's behind it. If you claim you don't do anything illegal then you're a blind and stupid bastard. You know that surfers clicking on that links want to see kids and you're making them keen on that stuff. You're creating more needs than the already existing ones. And other sick bastards are willing to fullfill these needs. So you're guilty too when a kid gets fucked in front of a camera. When its life goes down the toilet.

turf

01-30-2002, 10:03 AM

hmm, have had better insults for less work... but thanx...

No not all webmasters show pictures of 30 year old hags when you click a teen link... but most do... especially if you surf tgps... which is where most of the surfers are... if you believe sextracker and other counters - that is...

Second... if you for one second think that people that wants to find CP surfs tgps looking for lolita links... you really need to get a clue... The sick mothers that want the CP knows where to find it and what to search for... In the long run of things - banning the word lolita will make no difference... They should try and patrole the sites they accept CC for a bit more insted...

I guess this is just one of those times where we have to agree to disagree... but in the end i am going to be right... just stay tuned to life and see...

basschick

01-30-2002, 10:22 AM

isn't it funny how some lolita sites with regular content include cp words in their meta yet would fight to the death with anyone who says lolita means childporn to surfers.

when i was 14, 45 year old men would offer me money to fuck 'em all the time. i'm willing to bet that the average surfer that clicks on "lolita" IS looking for cp. why does the term "lolita" get SO many more clicks than "teen" or even "innocent teen"? 'cause the guys are hoping to find an illicit site that happens to slip in pics of 15 and 16 year olds.

i get emails asking for 14 year old lolita pics - they know what it means. i sent 'em to asacp for their fucking lolita pics.

toker

01-30-2002, 11:29 AM

Ok so lets have a definition of a 20 yr old is she "mature" "teen" you say the surefers want younger but legally by definition of teen that would only fit 18/19 yrs old.

So how do you fill a TGP with ONLY 18/19 yr old teens and be 100% sure its all legal without adding most or all the content yourself??

You cant guarentee all are legal age since you dont have the model releases or know where all the content comes from. Its very risky and thats why most Teen TGPs started filling with motly pigtail 20yr olds. Some TGPs have even blocked the use of the word teen and only accept the term "Young Lady" to cover their ass.

But you see most all them lolita and im not saying all but most CJ/TGP get those heavy clicks by using the terms "young" "virgin" "illegal" and "banned" thats why the surfers click. I believe in most cases has shit to do with the domain but rather the link descriptions.

Matter fact i know lolita TGPs with 20yr and older chicks with very good prod because they are going to keep clicking in hopes to find 1 youngin mixed in there.

Visa is not going to cleanup all the trash like Sonicpuke said but on the same note do you think they should play internet police?

Its like the rules of some TGPs that dont allow trades with sites using the word lolita for one. Plus the other issue im sure visa faces is that when a surfer is made to believe they will get underage stuff with the credit card they pay. Then when they get inside and they dont find those 10yr old fucked by daddy pics they are in most cases going to chargeback.

So im sure Visa has a reason and it could very well be lolita sites have the highest chargeback ratio. I dont know but this is what i would guess as they are not going to just all of a sudden do this to kill their profits.

However the problem is they can just use alternate credit card or check if the others dont do what visa does. Other problem is the actual illegal sites could direct the billing process thru another domain and redirect members elsewhere.

Theres always going to be some way or another like many warez/mp3 guys that force users to signup for an adult sponsor to get access to their illegal FTPs. That started about 4-5 years ago so im sure they have plenty of tricks they will come up with. :rolleyes:

Bullet

01-30-2002, 11:32 AM

people looking for lolita are looking for cp, but it's a legal word. Visa knows what they're doing, but this isn't going to effect pay sites at all, as they're just going to find some way around it.

When you try to entice people by making them think they're going to get something illegal, then something bad is bound to happen in the long run, but this won't have much of an effect on anything (what I'm trying to say).

sonicpuke

01-30-2002, 01:18 PM

Stupider and stupider ;(

So when someone sees the WORD (It's a word folks) lolita they become deranged pedophiles at THAT VERY MOMENT?

Most surfers haven't read the book and don't even know what the word means.

I guess the person who wrote the book is creating thousands of pedophiles per day?

I guess that movie is creating even more pedophiles daily too?

I mean they both contain the word lolita and since EVERYONE knows that this word will convert you to a pedophile it must be so (sigh)

Take a reality pill and get off your high horse.

If you want to do something about child porn then do it. Quit pointing fingers and trying to be the thought police.

Have you ever heard of free speech? (simon? Weren't you complaining about free speech and bill marr?)

I guess free speech is only for people we agree with now? (Thank goodness that's not true. America is free as ever.)

If visa has decided to be big brother WHATEVER. It's still wrong. This is just ANOTHER attack on the porn bussiness. There are large groups out there that would like nothing short of removing ALL porn. Now they've obviously presured visa into being policaly correct and stiffling free speech. PERIOD. What's next. You think they consider you porn "clean" wait and see.

Not one person here came up with anything beyond (everybody KNOWS that lolita means such and such.) Show something that shows that lolita is a code word for porn (I've never seen any prood of this. Just a bunch of prudes who are offended BY A WORD)

If it's really child porn do something. If not shut the hell up and quit trying to stifle my freedom of speech and pretending your stopping child porn your NOT. (I wont be stifled by the way)

Bullet

01-30-2002, 01:31 PM

sonic puke, your post is stupid :)

You can't make a generalization about something hundreds of millions of people do a day, which is surf for porn. But lolita has always been know as a borderline cp term, and is often mistaken for underaged porn.

Visa doesn't have to support bordline sites that try to entice people with bordline terms so they won't. It's their decision.

Bullet

01-30-2002, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by Bullet:
people looking for lolita are looking for cp.

delete that. I meant some people looking for lolita are looking for cp.

But there's no reason why any company needs to support the paedophiles that are looking for illegal stuff.

sonicpuke

01-30-2002, 01:37 PM

I see bullet.

Only YOU are able to make broad generalizations right?

I don't remember defining the word lolita anyways. It was you and other who did.

sonicpuke

01-30-2002, 01:42 PM

And where did you get the info that lolita ALWAYS means this or that.

Made it up I think.

I went to ascap (the child porn stopper who actually DO something about it) and the word lolita does not appear on their site even in the FAQ section.

It's an affront to free speech period.

Next they will ban the word anal since sodomy is illegal in some states still?

It's always easy to step on the free speach rights of people you disagree with.

Isn't it great that visa and you can dictate what words mean and define thier meanings?

Many people claim that pornography leads to rape and use this as a reason to try and illegalize it. Same thing this is. They just got ONE big company to aggree with them (And being a company be sure it's a bussiness decision ONLY.)

Show me where the word lolita is defined to mean cp and borderline sites.

So what are the movie and book then? CP or a borderline site? Let censor them all!!!!!

Bullet

01-30-2002, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by sonicpuke:
[QB]And where did you get the info that lolita ALWAYS means this or that.

Made it up I think.

\QB]

same accusation I think you made up :)

and I was correcting myself with that ALWAYS, not you :)

sonicpuke

01-30-2002, 02:09 PM

Ok so you corrected yourself.

I guess your new statement was this then?

some people looking for lolita are looking for cp

So are you saying that some people looking for porn are NOT looking for child porn?

Some people looking for lesbian are looking for child porn (This no doubt is true is it not?)

Who cares I'm done talking about this. It's all about censorship and the thought (word) police.

I can see why words like underaged porn or child porn would be suspect.

Still noone answers my simple questions though.

Why is the book and movie not child porn? Both actualy describe illegal sex with a child? (Or do they I never read it myself or saw the movie)

It's a little thing called free speech. Except in visa land there is no free speech with the thought police around.

Yes it's the thought police. They can read your mind and KNOW what a name mean in YOUR MIND. Again I say and simply (For the last time I got work to do)

The word police has now started. Soon they will be banning another word because it offends someone or some people think it means something that may or may not be illegal.

Almost all porn is perversion to some people. Fetishes of some types are still illegal in some us states. Better just hope I'm wrong and they will only ban THESE words.

Truly though. I DO think that if visa really wanted to stop child porn they could do some much more effective things than this to stop it. That's not what this is about at all. And it will have no effect on the REAL child pornographers out there. I doubt they use code words I mean after all they actually do this sick stuff and sell it.

I report child porn all the time. Child porn is child RAPE period. What have you done lately to fight child porn? I hope it was more than just banning the word lolita from your site ;)

Bullet

01-30-2002, 02:22 PM

okay sonicpuke, you're right. I can't stand reading your long posts anyways :)

mukoh

01-30-2002, 03:16 PM

Well.
You guys are looking at the wrong side of the issue here. Whatever lolita signifies is as different for everyone as, where they live, what they eat, and what they do.
Some guy thinks that lolita is 20 years old but looks very young.
Some guy thinks that lolita is anyone under 18.
There is now correct way to define it, no matter what the dictionary says.
But words cannot be policed either way it is wrong.

Look at this situation this way.
Visa is starting to be controlled because of its issues in congress with bancrupt people who owe money, and issues with people basically not paying them the dept back, just declaring bancrupcy.
Visa is starting to do anything possible for the government to put in new laws for stricter declaration of bancrupcy for card holder, this is one thing that it has done.
Look at the current politicians, Ashcroft spend $8000 (eight THOUSAND DOLLARS) to cover up the naked statues in the congress, including the statue of justice. The woman with a bare nipple who is holding up the scale, and is blindfolded.
That is $8000 for drapes to cover up, because he feels nudity is indecent.
ANd to cover a naked guy statue Totally, because homosexuality is wrong.
Those statues were put in in 1939?
Are we back to 1800's now with this administration.

Now don't concentrate on the word lolita. Concentrate on what could be coming next with people like that at the helm of the policies right now, and it looks like the same administration will be here next term. That makes it 8 Years.

matuloo

01-30-2002, 05:15 PM

Well, those of you that blame visa for doing this are actually right, it really looks like another attempt to lick governments ass.

But what I was trying to say is that webmasters that use that word clearly know what it means.

sonicpuke : you are talking some major bullshit here. Common be a man and at least admire the fact that you know you are atracting pedos while using such a link. You are telling that you use the word cause people click on it, but are you really that stupid that you dont know why they click on it?
You are either blind or stupid.

sonicpuke

01-30-2002, 06:53 PM

I guess either you can

1 read my mind
2 everybody knows it's true

I guess since you can also read the surfers minds it must be the mind reading right?

Don't tell me what I think please.

Also any link could attract pedophiles. Just because you have no lolita links doesn't mean real live pedophiles aren't coming by your site. Maybe they jack off to your pics before they commit some terrible act in real life? Are you causing child abuse too? Where does it end. The thought police that's where.

Child pornographers should go to jail.

The word lolita is not child pornography though sorry.

Again noone would answer my simple questions. Just more implications that people can read minds and "everybody knows" type arguments.

Zane

01-30-2002, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by matuloo:

sonicpuke : you are talking some major bullshit here. Common be a man and at least admire the fact that you know you are atracting pedos while using such a link. You are telling that you use the word cause people click on it, but are you really that stupid that you dont know why they click on it?
You are either blind or stupid.

You reply to this thread and have a link to that toplist in your sig?? You can't stand on both sides of the fence. :rolleyes:

theo

01-30-2002, 08:02 PM

12clicks says cheaters never win

i say idiots never win

Searches done in December 2001 from overture/goto

Count Search Term
319641 lolita

Count Search Term
277125 teen

now if someone of you still believes that people using the word lolita are looking for CP or they're pedosicko then you need to turn off the computer, open the window and take a low flight because you are living in a world where most people are child abusers and you carry a % of responsibility.

SoulRebel

toker

01-30-2002, 08:19 PM

What i dont get after really thinking about it..

Why dont they ban the use of the word "RAPE"?

Also there are some well known CP sites some have been talked about here and some even reported yet they are still operative. They didnt say they would ban the word "rape" is not related to CP so if thats not banned why?

I think there are many others like paysites with pics of people who have been murdered and many other illegal and sick things not even mentioned. Anyone have the actual draft of words that will be affected because i think its importaint to know the whole story.

snow

01-30-2002, 09:45 PM

The debates here are useless..The bottom line is that it's going to be banned..So make adjustments like everyone else...

turf

01-31-2002, 03:40 AM

Snow... Its never useless to argue about stuff like this... just sitting there and saying "oohh well - what ever will be will be"... thats the true roots to real evil and our world has proved that throughout history...

Theo - thanx for finding those numbers... It proves that either there are too many sick fuckers out there or could there be just one grain of truth to what i have been saying all along... that people dont connect lolita with CP but with sexy young legal teens ??

toker - good point about rape not being banned... But guess no one wrote a book about that back then... so we should all just switch to rape sites as thats ok but the word lolita isnt... strange world after all..

arthurdent

02-01-2002, 12:15 AM

Is this means, that visa don't want to issue cc to girl which name is Lolita?
:cool:

dummy_d

02-02-2002, 05:38 PM

It isn't all black and white. Can't U see that? There's a pretty good chance some ppl clicking on "lolita" link are not pedos, as well as there's a chance some are looking for sick shit. It's mixed, not black and white.

I run a toplist where rules include banning of some words, and EVEN LOLITA are among those words. The toplist don't allow participating sites to have links, metatags, banners or ANYTHING remotely related to this word. The reason for lolita being banned is simple to me.

Lolita is used as a term associated with CP. Period. When some ppl click lolita links there's this risc some of them are looking for sick shit. Even if it is like 5000 out of those 319641 searches done on overture/goto in December. It's still ppl looking for CP. That risc is enough for me and I get really a bad taste in my mouth experiencing other ADULT webmasters using this term well knowing it brings in more clicks/sales = money. How can U even defend this term? I don't get it. No, it's not black and white, but the risc... really guys! U communicate, so U R responsible for what the surfers actions. ...And would U really deep in Ur hearts like them to think U DO HAVE CP on Ur site????

To me it is very simple. The risc of being "misunderstood" and ppl thinking CP when seeing word LOLITA is enough not to use this term. It should be avoided as U do risc surfers misunderstand U. Sure, U don't have to CARE if U use legal stuff, then noone will come by and put U in jail. U will always be able to defend urself saying the term has just evolved or some crap. But the term is still associated with CP. And when U communicate U do send out some signals - esp. when U choose to use a complex term it is triggy. If U don't see this U R really stupid.

*IF* you have LEGAL 18/19 y o teens, why don't U just say so instead? If this is what U R selling this is what U've got, and U would like surfers with interest in 18/19 y olds to come to Ur site, right?

And BTW, interestingly the 319641 searches done on overture/goto in December on 'lolita' was followed by for example
** 49433 'lolita bbs' (bbs are/were wellknow for spreading CP. Do U see 'BBS' attached to terms 'amateurs', 'males' or 'lesbians'???)
** 39340 'young lolita' (Who the hell are looking for YOUNG lolitas anyway? Can they be more young than 18/19 y.o. teens w/o being illeagal?)
** 29050 'preteen lolita' (oh, so a lot of ppl wanna see BOTH som preteen stuff AND lolita???)
** 8456 'underage lolita' - and even
** 8047 'illegal lolita'

I rest my case. Don't tell me the word lolita is 'innocent' !!!

matuloo

02-03-2002, 07:29 PM

dummy_d : finally someone who thinks the same way as I do. You totaly hit the problem. Thumbs up for you.

dummy_d

02-03-2002, 08:52 PM

Cheers mate!! What a long post I made there ... I can make it longer actually LOL ... I did see Ur points above and they are very good and clear. Oh, and I hope we are more than a few ;)

Viking

02-03-2002, 10:38 PM

just ban the load of them... everyone knows what 'lolita' is referring to... I ban all those who sign up at my CJ2 sites for a trade if they have 'lolita' domains or links to such...

ChrisX

02-04-2002, 12:42 AM

dummy_d you really think exactly the same way as I do also... good post

sonicpuke

02-04-2002, 01:17 AM

You have no clue do you?

Now your saying that bbs=childporn?

Everybody knows.

You can read peoples minds.

Do you have ANY other points besides these?

I never knew that bbs meant childporn. Thanks for clueing me in on that since YOU know EVERYTHING EVERY surfers out there is thinking.

I guess visa will have to block bbs now too?

You should spend some time and effort actually stopping some childporn instead of trying to stifle free speach. (Yes a word is speach or does "everybody know" that words are also childporn.)

Thank god you guys aren't actually running a country. Thank god people can't actually be convicted in court because someone says "Well everybody knows" that such and such is true. Try telling a court that YOU know what EVERYONE is thinking. sigh......

donger

02-04-2002, 04:58 AM

Puke- Visa is a fucking business. They're not trying to "stifle free speach" [SIC], they're choosing who they would like to do business with. Last time I checked, that was their right. Quit whining and live with it.

On the brighter side for you and your cronies, I'm sure there's plenty of pedophiles out there with mastercards! :)

donger

arthurdent

02-04-2002, 05:04 AM

I'm with sonicpuke on this...

bbs are/were wellknow for spreading CP.
Once upon a time Hitler says "Well know is that Jews promulgate disease whence they don't preserve satisfactory hygiene". This isn't truth, but this is an excuse for...
BBS are good old days. First 2400 modem, then 4800. Small programs, small cracks... Never see CP. Nudist pics yes, but CP never...
When you see naked kid (e.g. in advertising) if you get glance on CP, then you are sick bastard. Naked kid is only a naked kid (maybe my kids)...

I "use" Net for over eight years, and never see CP (thanks to God). I mean NEVER. If I ever see CP I will report that ASAP! I never search for CP, but I never search for "girls fucked by horses" or "extreme bondage" but I get them, whatsoever that is my search.

Lolita is used as a term associated with CP. Period.
Only in your dirty mind's.
Horse (or dog, or donkey, or...) is used as a term associated with bestiality. Period. :rolleyes: Does this make any sense or provoke laugh?
Lolita is a word, rather name, real name (Lolita Davidovich). Period.
I shooting content for over a year, and I have two models which real name is Lolita. One form Ukraine, second from Russia. This is a popular name in Russia, Ukraine, Byelorussia, Moldova, Poland, and Czech... I will never use dummy names for models. I see some of my ex-models which names are Tatiana and Milena under Whitney and Roberta… I don't want to change names because someone all his life experience pulls from some petty Hollywood movie...

Lolita is only a word, not even obscene; child porn is an act!
If words cause CP, do pencils cause misspelled words?
Word control is not about words; it's about control.
Next forbidden word... Let's see, maybe peach (every time when I nip peach I recur one girl from high school), or maybe grass (don't even ask why...)

Nest of CP is legal US porn production. Like I ask in one of previous posts, why is nobody ever punished for over a 30 porn movies, which produced Traci Lords between age 14 and 18? But, this production is a BIG MONEY.

And again, word control is not about words; it's about control.
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Lolita from the book has 14 years; according to Webster's dictionary teen (or teenager) is between 12 and 16 year. So, where is a difference?

Lastly, does this mean (about Visa) that they don't want to issue CC to someone which name is Lolita? I would like to see this lawsuit...

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matuloo

02-04-2002, 02:17 PM

arthurdent : You sound soo funny, I guess you live in russia and it is a known fact that most of CP crap comes from Russia - please at least dont tell me that this is not true. It is you - the russians who love the word lolita so much and use it all over your "no cp" sites. And please dont tell us a bullshit like " lolita is a very popular name in Russia, Ukraine, Byelorussia, Moldova, Poland, and Czech : You know what? I live in Europe, I have been to Poland and Czech Republic for a dozen of times and never met a girls named lolita !!!

This word is only popular in your fucking minds, because it brings traffic to your shitty - CP , underage, bestiality and other shitty sites.

Any time someone submitted to any of my toplists with a .ru domain, it was full uf underage slogans and disgusting pics of underage kids - although in not sexual positions - and now some asshole just like you comes in the public to shout that it is totally legal as there is no sex involved.

You know what - fuck you and all idiots that think the way you do - that goes for you SONIC aswell !!!

sonicpuke

02-04-2002, 02:49 PM

Fuck me? What's your problem?

Very intelligent point.

Just because your not in charge of the thought police don't get mad.

You seem to take this very personally.

I really resent that you imply that that I am a pedophile or something.

I think your just holier than though. Quite hypocrtical I think.

I bet if you told the average person on the street that you sell porn but you ban the word "lolita" they's say something like?

Huh? Lolita? What's that?
And they'd still think you were a pervert.

Your just trying to act like YOUR porn is more "clean" than mine. (when it's identical)
I live in the USA. If I WAS selling childporn I'd be in jail PERIOD.

If it makes you feel better whatever. I bet pedophiles have come by your site today in any case. Guess you'll just have to shut down your bussiness because of that right?

hypocrites. Banning words. Then allowing access to pornography to minors. Your probabbly corrupting kids every day.

If you cared so much about kids you'd get out of this bussiness. You only say these things to try and make yourself feel better when you know damn well that kids are looking at your sites.

I don't deal in childporn and never would. I have 2 young nieces and wouldn't stand for such things. Make no difference to some people though. Because they are grasping for a way to feel that they are "clean". Your not either. This attack by visa is just the first step you watch. The worst thing is that some of my fellow webmasters actually support them. I expect things like this from visa but you would think that people who make thier living taking advantage of the 1st amendment would give a crap about it. I guess not.

sonicpuke

02-04-2002, 02:53 PM

Ok so let me get this straight.

bbs doesn't = bulletin board system it actually = childporn. (Guess we should shut this BBS down then? After all "everybody knows" that bbs's are all about childporn.

ru = childporn (I think you must be racsist to say that all russians are child pornographers.) I guess when your in a witchunt reality has nothing to do with it eh?

Anymore words you'd like to ban? Any more races or countries you'd like to slander? Your an idiot and it shows.

Jorge

02-04-2002, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by arthurdent:

Lolita is a word, rather name, real name (Lolita Davidovich). Period.
I shooting content for over a year, and I have two models which real name is Lolita. One form Ukraine, second from Russia. This is a popular name in Russia, Ukraine, Byelorussia, Moldova, Poland, and Czech... I will never use dummy names for models.Lolita is only a word, not even obscene; child porn is an act!
If words cause CP, do pencils cause misspelled words? Word control is not about words; it's about control. Next forbidden word... Let's see, maybe peach (every time when I nip peach I recur one girl from high school), or maybe grass (don't even ask why...) Lolita from the book has 14 years; according to Webster's dictionary teen (or teenager) is between 12 and 16 year. So, where is a difference?

1. Quit putting the name of my country in the same row with (ex)soviet republics.
2. Lolita is NOT a common name. I did you favor, and searched through phone book, and did not find the only one (Prague White Pages). I have never met a girl of that name. I looked through official statistic report, and it was never ranked in top 100.
3. Language is about symbols. You cannot be sure of exact meaning of a word until you put it in context (esp. in english). I do not know anything about meaning of "Lolita" BEFORE Nabokov wrote his book - but since the time his book became famous, the first association, when I hear this name, is HIS Lolita, i.e. 12-13 years old CHILD, having sexual relationship with her stepfather. If you put that name on a porn page, it makes the only sense for my "dirty mind" as you call it ~ too young girl to be legit. SO, I do not use Lolita, I do not click Lolita links, I do not visit these PORN sites. Porn site + lolita = (at least) indirect profit from paedophilia.
4. Goto searches - a guy posting above has already hit the bull´s eye. It only demonstrates how it is questionable to use this word on a porn page.

arthurdent

02-04-2002, 05:39 PM

I don't understand, do you say that I'm a pedophile or something.

You say, "Most of CP crap comes from Russia". No my friend. Most of CP crap comes from USA, Belgian and Netherlands. Not form some poor little mans, but from very, and I mean VERY rich people. Two years ago in Belgian (or Netherlands, I forgot that) repeat big CP scandal in which one of protagonist is minister of police. How about some catholic priests scandals? No one ever arrested...
Every year big US porn producers records 1000's of movies with "actress" without confidant ID, but they are never arrested. FBI regularly arrest single pervert, but they don't touch big industry...
I don't see your answer about Traci Lords, or 1000's of other juvenile porn stars. I don't speak about some little creep who raped kids, I taking about "Legal" porn productions.
Anyone of you sees pics or movies of "Tiny Tove" produced "legally" by Color Climax, or other Color Climax magazines? I read about that on one site against CP, they says that Color Climax still print these magazines for "chosen" costumers.

This word is only popular in your fucking minds, because it brings traffic to your shitty - CP , underage, bestiality and other shitty sites.
I never have CP, or underage or bestiality site, but also I don't have gay or lesbian site. Simple I don't like that shit. I don't have free sites, because I don't want "your" kid's see anything that you think is inappropriate for them. I never submitted hardcore gallery on tgp's, for the same reason. But, simple I don't see reason for banning words. This isn't about Lolita word, this is about words. Do you really think that someone who search for CP, go to Google and search for Lolita? I don't think so.
For someone who is a pedophile Lolita word maybe implies CP, I don't know I'm not a pedophile[b]. There are many words that don't have two meaning. E.g. Rape. Why nobody ban this word.
For someone who is a pervert horse implies his love, bestiality. I hate fucking bestiality, but I love horses (not donkeys but horses and dogs), I really do.
For me words are words, if they don't offend me I will be OK with them. But acts are something different. Lolita word is a Lolita word, but if someone says or writes, "I like to fuck kids", then this is have completely different meaning. This person is sick. If someone says, " I have pics of Lolita (Davidovich) fucking, I will say, OK, I want to see them (I like this girl). But, if someone says I have 14-year lolita's fucking pics, I will beat them to dead, and then I will call the cops.

You know what - fuck you and all idiots that think the way you do - that goes for you SONIC aswell !!!

I never have CP or underage or bestiality site you fucking freak. I never offend you, but I'm resentful. I will never forget your curse, and I will return you this. Trust me!
So, you know what? I live in Europe to (not in Russia, or ex-USSR), so if you don't have other arguments we may forgather and resolve this like a mans do (if you are man)...

I hate CP, and I hate all man and women involved in that. I have my own child, and I will kill anyone for them.
All I say that this case with Visa is throwing sad in the eyes.
Does anyone of you think that this is a method for fight against CP?
[b]Do you think that banning cocaine or heroine words will stop drug dealing?
Word control is not about words; it's about control. PERIOD.
Think about that.

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p.s.
Quit putting the name of my country in the same row with (ex)soviet republics.
Sorry Jorge, it isn't my intent to offend you. I know what you mean...

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cynthia

02-04-2002, 06:59 PM

I have an idea for everyone who thinks that Visa's choosing not to do business with Lolita sites infringes on their constitutional rights:

Sit down right now and cut up your Visa cards, put them in an envelope along with a stongly worded letter to Visa explaining exactly why you'll no longer be doing business with them.

Please be sure to post your message here as well so that Visa's customer service reps won't be the only ones laughing.

matuloo

02-04-2002, 07:12 PM

OK, maybe I jumped into it too strong this time.

So let me clarify what I mean once more "

I was not talking about VISA doing a right thing, what I wanted to tell is that lolita stands for an underage person, and every webmaster knows it, thus using this word is only taking advantage of it in terms of attracting sick minded surfers.

All my posts are ment against people who try to act like they wouldnt be aware of the fact that lolita is an underage person. All webmasters know what it stands for and this means (at least in my opinion) that using the word lolita is actually promoting underage sex.

I dont care whether all surfers know what it means, but you (those webmasters that use it) know it damn sure. So why use it if you know what it means? Dont you wanna support CP? Than why use words which you know are about CP?

Does it make a better sence now?

arthurdent

02-04-2002, 08:36 PM

Hi Cynthia, I never speak about Visa's rights.
I speak about stupid excuses from my fellow webmasters to support this action.
Of course Visa has all rights to ban using they cards on sites that have Lolita word in his names.

This is a joke, but do you think that Lolita Davidovich don't have a Visa Cards.
Another joke, do I need to remove name of Hollywood star Lolita Davidovich from my Celeb's site if I want still to use Visa signups? Maybe someone from Visa's customer service reps can answer on this question...

For me, it's simple. I don't have Visa card at all. I have Euro Card (MasterCard), and good old Diners...

Matuloo:
I think we will easier communicate without cursing and generalization...
I don't use Lolita word to promote my sites (I don't use also bondage, rape, lesbian, gay, bestiality, etc. because, as I say I don't like that shit), but I have problem to understood what is difference between Lolita and teen (girl). These words have similar meaning, juvenile girl between 12 and 16 years.
Do you want to tell me that you don't use Teen word to promote your sites, or your sponsor's sites? What if someone tomorrow say let's to ban this word. Visa has the rights to do that, and we cannot do anything to amend that. But we certainly cannot support that. Tomorrow, Bush (maybe) will ban word blowjob, or sex, or anything.
Again, I seize what you say about pedophile and their relationship with Lolita word, but kill the fucking perverts, don't kill the words...

No hard feeling...

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ChrisX

02-05-2002, 12:11 AM

First Visa will not ban only the word lolita but also pre-teen and other one.

And even if 90% of the surfer that click the word lolita are not pedophile and do not search for CP, lolita is still a word often associated with CP on web sites or elsewhere. But for the word teen only it is clear for everybody, surfer and webmaster, that it doest not mean underage or CP, it's like that...

It is just a matter of context... all is a matter of context. Nobody will ban the Nabokov book, or site that talk about the Nabokov book, or people that there name are lolita... but it's not the same thing with porn web site, because porn site is for people who seek pornography. It's an another context. I think it's better in this context to stay clear of word that can be associated with CP or underage. But you do what you want. And I know that this will not remove all the CP on the internet.

But anyway it's not a law, nobody will go in jail only if they put the word lolita on their site.

dummy_d

02-05-2002, 10:17 AM

Exactly ChrisX. Thumbs up mate! The context is what it is all about. A word is nothing "in itself". On the web, putting the word 'lolita' into some html means nothing or little either in itself. But when the surfer receives the word in his context it could mean quite a lot. Thank you for clearing this out ;)

matuloo

02-05-2002, 11:29 AM

Yeah Chris, this was the word that I should have used in the beginning - the context matters.

It is the same with those so called "art" sites that contain nude pics. Its ok to have naked pics of your own baby, of course everyone wants to have pics of his or her baby and those pics sometimes contain nude kids, which is totally ok, but once somebody promotes such sites on a porn sites it is clearly an attempt to atract pedofils.

And regarding the word teen - how about girls that are eigh-TEEN or nine-TEEN? Have you ever heard of a book that would talk about a 18 or 19 years old lolita? Sure there are some girls named lolita who are of the legal age, but the porn context is not about it, the use of lolita in the porn industry is based on the book and in the book the lolita was underage.