XP 1800+

[gse]

Just upgraded for abit kg7 and amd xp 1800 cpu
It kicks major ass!!!!

[richard]

I got my new baby coming next week.

P4 2GHz
512 Meg RIMM
60 Gig 7200 HD
Asus Geforce3 64mb
Brush Aluminium Case
Samsung SyncMaster 151 LCD monitor

Zzzzzzooooooooooooooom!

Can't wait.

Big computers rock.

[richard]

+

Soundblaster Audigy Platinum.

:D

[gse]

Originally posted by richard:
<STRONG>

Zzzzzzooooooooooooooom!

Can't wait.

Big computers rock.</STRONG>

hehe, lets' see

amd XP 1800
512 megs ddr ram
radeon vivo 64m ddr
sound blaster live
altec live surround
dual hotswap power supplies
ami enterprise 1500 scci megaraid
(4) ibm 10,000 rpm 18.3 gig scci drives (hotswappable)
seagate scorpion 40 gig DAT backup
creative dvd
pioner dvd/dvd-r/dvdr-w/
iomega 250 zip

power to the people. lol
:)

[Yassen]

P4 sucks major dick
XP 1800 is faster than p4 2GHZ, althought it only runs at 1.5 Ghz

Plus P4 2GHZ is almost twice as expensive as the XP 1800

[gse]

it does run at 1.8 here. Just make sure you get the latest bios for your mb

[richard]

nice machine. sweet hard-drive setup :)

p4 2gig is not that bad a chip, in many hardware reviews, it performs better than an XP 1800, and in many test it doesn't.

I like the 400mhz bus though - my ram and gfx card both run @ 400mhz.

But yea, AMD all the way. XP is not "out" to the smaller retailers just yet where i live, and i'd much rather have my behemoth built by a local guy than some huge factory line.

and come on, 2000Mhz sounds good ;).

Lian-Li case boys, dont come much more slick :) I think its with 3 fans, two intake (with removable filter) and one exhaust - with variable speed for the intakes, lol.

Cool flip-down USB ports on the front :)

haha, i'm getting all moist again, roll on next week.

[playa]

just overkill,,
i got three PC's
a 600 mhz
800 mhz

but for some reason i am still using my old reliable 333mhz

[Rui]

I'm also in the process of get some new hardware (althought a little more modest)

should have a brand new Athlon XP 1500+ (1.333Ghz) tomorrow!

AMD POWER :P

[Rui]

BTW richard good choice dude Lian-Li RULE a friend mine got one, it totally rocks!

The bad is the price it costs an Arm and a Leg, I will never spend all that $$ in a box! (maybe do some mods on my actual one but thats it :D )

[d0odx]

right now, im running dual p3 1ghz (cD0 stepping) on an abit vp6 mobo.
got a 64 mb radeon, santa cruz turtle beach sound card, 512 of pc 160 ram and a 40 gb 7200 rpm HD.
im thinkin about over clocking =)
if i do and its stable, i might have to kick major arse.

anyone using win xp???

[Mole]

I'm afraid Yas is right.

The XP line of CPUs use a so called "Quantispeed" rating which is just a fancy word for "PR". This is because AMD feels that they can't compete with Intel's P4 high MHz rate, but low performance per MHz.

IMO, Quantispeed is shit and they should just stick to showing actual MHz. It only mislead people and makes confusion.

The XP 1800 is really running at 1.5 MHz.

What your BIOS update did is probably just showing the Quantispeed rating instead of actual MHz.

[Rui]

Mole the reason why AMD decided to use quantispeed crap was because most people think P4 is faster because it got more Mhz, so now most people will only look to the Athlon XP PR rating and not the actual speed!

I think Athlon XP 1800+ should be called 2100+ LOL

[gse]

well, I see definately encrease in speed from Tbird 1.33 (260 fb) to xp 1800 now.
If it was indeed running at 1.5 gigs no way I would see the difference from 1.33 tbird

[gse]

and not to mention temperature dropped...
If 1,33 tbird was running at 58 deg. celsius in normal mode and 63-64 in games, then xp1800 runs at 42-44 normal and 46-47 in games
Quite an improvement
(well i also installed monster cpu heatsink, but still... lol)

[Rui]

Originally posted by gse:
<STRONG>well, I see definately encrease in speed from Tbird 1.33 (260 fb) to xp 1800 now.
If it was indeed running at 1.5 gigs no way I would see the difference from 1.33 tbird</STRONG>


You had a TB with 200FSB (except if you were overclocking)

And the ATHLON XP 1800+ works at 1.533Ghz!

Also the XP aka Pallomino is know for beeing cooler!

[Rui]

Note the FSB was 200Mhz DDR :)

[gse]

Rui
I don't get your point.
No matter what fsb is, you will see little or no difference from 1.33 gigs to 1,5 gigs
So I think xp1800 runs maybe not at 1800
but definately higher than 1500

[gse]

also I had this tbird on asus a7a266 before, rev, 1.04 - piece of shit. could never get rid of lockups. heard their 1.10 revisions are more stable but fuck them. abit kg7 seems to be lot more reliable and their north-chip seems faster too

[Dcorp]

i got my best ;
p3 866
256mb ram
45gb 7200 hdd
geforge 2Mx 32 mb

enough for me :D

[Rui]

Originally posted by gse:
<STRONG>Rui
I don't get your point.
No matter what fsb is, you will see little or no difference from 1.33 gigs to 1,5 gigs
So I think xp1800 runs maybe not at 1800
but definately higher than 1500</STRONG>

Dude you should inform yourself before make that kind of posts! (no ofense inteended)

Here are the PR names and respective speeds:

Athlon XP Model Clock Speed
1800+ 1.53 GHz
1700+ 1.47GHz
1600+ 1.40 GHz
1500+ ~ 1.33 GHz

The new features on the Athlon XP (aka Palomino and Athlon MP = multiprocessor version) are:



1. Nine-issue, superscalar, fully pipelined micro-architecture
At the heart of QuantiSpeed Architecture is a nine- issue, superscalar, fully pipelined core.
This provides more pathways to feed application instructions into the execution engines of
the core, simply allowing the processor to complete more work in a given clock cycle (high
IPC). The delicate balance between the depth of the pathways (pipelines) and operating
frequency of the processor produces high levels of performance. Longer pipelines alone
translate into lower IPC, but high operating frequencies. However, shorter pipelines alone
result in increased IPC, but lower operating frequencies. The AMD Athlon XP processor is
designed to maintain a balanced approach between pipeline depth and processor frequency to
provide extraordinary levels of overall processor performance.


2. Superscalar, fully pipelined Floating Point Unit (FPU)
QuantiSpeed Architecture features a superscalar, fully pipelined FPU, which completes more
floating point operations per clock cycle than competitive x86 processors and permits high
operating frequencies. The end result is the most powerful x86 FPU available today. The
AMD Athlon XP processor has ample computing power to tackle the most computationintensive
software applications.


3. Hardware data prefetch
Prefetching instructions from system memory to the processor’s Level 1 Instruction Cache is
a common technique used to increase the processor’s work throughput (IPC) and therefore
overall perfo rmance. This feature of QuantiSpeed Architecture prefetches data from system
memory to the processor’s Level 1 Data Cache, which reduces the time it takes to feed the
processor critical data, increasing work throughput. As a result, application performance is
automatically enhanced when using the AMD Athlon XP processor with QuantiSpeed
Architecture.

4. Exclusive and speculative Translation Look-aside Buffers (TLBs)
The TLB structures in QuantiSpeed Architecture keep the maps to critical data and
instructions close to the processor. These structures are designed to prevent the processor
from stalling or waiting when future data and/or instructions are requested. These TLB
structures are now larger, exclusive between caches, and speculative. Larger TLB’s give the
AMD Athlon XP processor access to additional maps. The exclusive nature of these
structures removes the duplication of information, freeing- up more space in the Level 2
cache for other useful information to be used by the processor. The aspect of speculation
allows the AMD Athlon XP processor to generate future maps of critical data and
instructions quickly. These three enhancements to the TLB structures further increase the
work completed per clock cycle, thus improving real- world application performance of the
AMD Athlon XP processor.



And an Athlon XP is also 20% cooler than a TB at same speed = Thunderbird 1.4Ghz is 20%+ hotter than a Athlon XP 1600+ (1.4Ghz)

The diference (in Mhz) betwen the new AMD cpus is little but, the performance itself ain't!

Also the motherboard you had before, totally sucks, since the ali magic chipset on it is well know for having really bad (DDR and SDR) performance, along with some other problems!

Gess this is the bigest post of my life lol

Anyway i'm glad you think your cpu run's even faster, I hope I will think the same way ;)

Greets
Rui

[Mole]

Just a small correction.

His old CPU is a TB 1.33 MHz which runs at 266 MHz bus. If it ran at 200 MHz bus, it would have been a 1.3 MHz.

And I know about AMD's better performance. I'm using a TB 1.33@1.45 myself and I'm happy with the performance.

I still think Quantispeed sucks though.

[Mole]

Also, the new XP supports SSE, which will come very handy for anybody doing extensive video encoding.

This is one reason I'm considering getting an XP. But I'm also very tempted on the P4 since many video encoders are starting to support SSE2, which will greatly boost the P4 in video encoding and leaves the XP far behind. I don't mind paying extra. My videos take up to 10-15 hours to encode and any time saving means quite a lot.

[Rui]

Yep my bad
the Thunderbird 1.3Ghz is DDR FSB 200Mhz and the Thunderbird 1.33Ghz DDR FSB 266Mhz

All the new Athlon XP use DDR FSB 266Mhz! (and the TB 1.4Ghz also does)

Anyway I kinda agree with you Mole, many people will think they got cheated due to this (the same people that only look to Mhz and not performance), and that will surely hurt AMD image!

[gse]

I tried before with tbird 1.33 and tbird 1.4
both have 266 fsb
didn't notice any difference in speed

you sayin xp1800 runs at 1.53 speed?
if it was true I doubt I'd see much difference between this and tbird 1.33. But I do. It runs faster now. You can even see that during boot when raid scans channels - lot faster that before on tbird 1.33.

Anyways, I'm no expert here...

[richard]

:) Rui. I read an article that said the Lian case acts as one big heatsink (so can get warm in places).

Double bubble, with the 3 fans in it i'll also have air-conditioning :D.

Next step, will be hooking up the audio to my main sound system's amp :)

Tech Geeks rock!

[Rui]

Originally posted by gse:
<STRONG>I tried before with tbird 1.33 and tbird 1.4
both have 266 fsb
didn't notice any difference in speed

you sayin xp1800 runs at 1.53 speed?
if it was true I doubt I'd see much difference between this and tbird 1.33. But I do. It runs faster now. You can even see that during boot when raid scans channels - lot faster that before on tbird 1.33.

Anyways, I'm no expert here...</STRONG>

You still think your cpu is running faster than 1.53Ghz? lol, looks like some people really belive in the new PR rating :rolleyes:

Use wcpuid or any other similar program and you will see!

[Rui]

BTW just got my new brown Athlon XP 1500+ (that I know it runs at 1.333Ghz) , can't wait for the cooler to arrive!

Richard, as soon you get your ring, give me some benchmarks :)

[gse]

yep, you right. amd are cheaters :eek:
blacklist them :D

still it runs much cooler that tbird. My overheating problem with this beast machine finally solved!

[salsbury]

amd all the way for me from now on. the upgrade path for intel doesn't look so cheery. itanium running x86 code has been disappointing from the reports i've read, while hammer will run x86 code natively. of course that doesn't change how things are now, but i'd also still rather support amd than intel.

heh.. watching intel play catch-up, even though they'll still be dominant, over the next few years ought to be very amusing. :)

[MayorX]

someone said they can build me a
P5 4GHz
1 gig ram
120 Gig 28800 HD
With Liquid Cooling interface Jets with quad heat sinks. also it will wipe my ass and give me a blow job any hr of the day.. lol

Oh he said he will install neon tubing at no cost! for doing all the work...lol


:D :D :D