Dailer stats?

[xApster]

are people finding they have 0 min on there dialer stats ?

[jojo]

Not 0 but just as well be http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif my traffic has gone up the last few months and kicked ass on the dialer up until this month and not a thing.

the dailer is dead i think

[Doctor Dre]

I am doing as well as 6 months ago ... Just find the good dialer !

[basschick]

dr dre - what dialer ya using?

[terminator]

dr dre
great to see you just picked up the dialer payment we sent you!!

dialer king.com

[Exxxotica]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by basschick:
dr dre - what dialer ya using?</font>

Wow! Terminator anwsered that one quickly!

[terminator]

Exxxotica
alot of people use us but they don't admit it.
its funny how some call us all sorts of things just to cover up from the others that they use us!!! we rofl reading some of the
"cool to hate dialer king/spamking" posts just as a decoy.

[Flash]

What are your experiences with ********** and who of you is using it right now? Is it better than vip dialer for international traffic in your opinion?

[Flash]

Ok, Dialer King in one word seems to be banned... anyway I just calculated that I would have made +30% money this month so far with it in comparison to the flat 0.38 dialer I am using now. Just in case that it would perform the same overall of course. So how good is the performance for you(downloads/total minutes/hold time)?

[Carneal]

Ya me too, all my sites combinded is 700k/day in traffic and i used to do 900/min day untill this month. now i do like 10min/day thats bs

[terminator]

flash and Carneal,

try us for just one week and you will see why everybody is switching to us. period

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif)) dialer king.com

[nic]

terminator, i know i've told you before, but hit me up on icq, i need to ask you something,

#3605392

[Doctor Dre]

lol I gave you a try ... I am doing way more minutes right now with my otehr dialer . You were better than GIB for me but my other dialer is doing better http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Dialer king is good ... But I found something better http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Groovy]

well?
you make me curious http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[playa]

i bet i know what dre is talking about,,

there is a new provider out there!!!
27,000 telco lines
150 pops throught out the world!!

hit me up for the low down,,

playa
icq 38147712

[Doctor Dre]

RIGHT ON PLAYA ! lol
telco kick some FUCKINGGG ass
like 15 mins hold time and I get jsut TONS of call ... used to make like 90 min with gib . Made like 600 with telco http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

I plan to lauch a coop with other webmasters ... we will get paid full telco ammount . everybody . cauz the more mins we get, the more we get paid .

[inside]

Doc
Hmmm, Isnt this Josh your talking about ?
Using sprint for US calls,

Gib used sprint back 8 months ago,and we know what happened then.

tottally connect needs to get some new lines before they are shut down and no money is paid out.

[Lane]

What's the url for telco dialer?

[Flash]

Yeah tell us the url! =)

[RongVang]

http://www.telco.com

[Groovy]

where can i signup to try the dialer?

[richard]

http://www.thesexdepot.net/dialer
http://www.ethnicdialer.com
http://www.newdialer.com

Are guys currently offering the solution.

There are a load of other resellers that are testing it, prior to offering it to you.

If you are a reseller, and have not already been approached, email/icq/call me and we can talk with you about setting up/testing this solution.

Our company is a 'top tier' reseller for telcoweb. We deal primarily with other resellers, sort you out with any niche content areas you need, work with you on anything else you need help setting up, and generally set-up deals that will be availible for any reseller working with us to use.

Of course, doing a fair few minutes together means that we have more weight behind our collective punch when it comes to rates and other deals.


So yea, if you are a reseller of another network, come and talk to me, if you are an end user, check out one of the guys above, or ask your reseller to talk to me http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif


41012160 is my icq
webmaster@qbabes.com is my email

and damn, dont even think about busting my ass for spam http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

www.vipdialer.com (http://www.vipdialer.com) for you GIB 45 day eom dialers

www.dialup2.com (http://www.dialup2.com) for your niteline "we wont pay for those 3 days" dialers

and www.dialerk*ng.com (http://www.dialerk*ng.com) for your dk dialers.

[thenetinfo]

I am a 1 post wonder



[Note: This message has been edited by richard]

[playa]

i see some hatin going around here,,

let see some luv in here :-)

[thenetinfo]

Playa, no hatin, We just need the facts,

These people are working with Josh, Josh owes a ton of money to webmaster.

What should we do, How do we get our Money from 8 months ago ?

[Shannon]

I run the below programs and Josh has nothing to do with the dialer we are useing outside of promoting it himself on his own site...

http://www.thesexdepot.net/dialer
http://www.ethnicdialer.com

It seems there are a ton of rumors going around that apparently are coming from a couple different GIB re-sellers. No, Josh is not the owner of our dialer or anyone other programs that use this dialer. Though, I feel it's safe to say that some programs may be going through him to get theirs.

I have'nt even ever spoken with Josh - I talk to the owner of this dialer often and I can gaurantee you it's not Josh...

Seem's that a couple re-sellers are stirring up thing's, as they themselves have tested and saw the kickass results and with being paid bi-weekly. They feel the pressure and see clients dropping off and going to other programs that are re-selling this smokin' hot dialer!

This is not directed at any one person, but it seems several have their fact's mixed up and may need to do a little more research before they say who owns what...


Best Of Luck http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[playa]

good to clear that up shannon

anyone got any ?'s hit me up about it
hit me up

playa
38147712
support@nobsdialer.com

[stepin]

Hello all been awhile since i have posted i just thought i would post this as to clear all the josh bs up i dont know um but heard of him but i do know adam and nick and they are both good guys and from my past exp they will pay .


Dear Sirs,


Following a lot of speculation on certain adult webmaster boards I am writing to confirm to you that Josh Grund of Dialerprogram.com is a not an owner or shareholder in our IPRS network. If you would care to read the news page on our site you will see he is both a reseller and content partner to us but has no part in network operations or payments from the network.

As for the post on using a sprint route please note we actually use 3 different USA carriers in one dialer to guarantee the sale, Sprint is one of several carriers we deal with.

As with all our resellers Josh Pays on time and anyone still talking about the GIB Madagascar issue will find that just like everyone else dialerprogram.com did not get paid out. If you need to read more goto http://www.ftc.gov or contact GIB

Regards,

---------------------------------------------
Adam Lewis
Chief Technical Officer

http://www.telcoweb.com
http://www.minuteminder.net


Adam@minuteminder.net
Adam@telcoweb.com

[RongVang]

Shannon is telling the truth!

I run http://www.newdialer.com

and Josh has nothing to do with it.

[stepin]

And one final note have you ever seen anything like this to check stats if you are a resellar are a webmaster you dont need to log into the web anymore this is a picture of the minute minder they are working on it will show real time stats http://www.usadialers.com/minuteminder.jpg

[mr man]

allright, that looks nice, but how are the MINUTES and hold times, SERIOUSLY, no bullshit please. That dude that said 15 minutes, that can't be real.

[Shannon]

mr man - I suggest you sign up with one of us and see for yourself. This is the dialer thats going to bring life back into the dialer world - Without having to wait 45 days after end of the month to get paid in full like clockwork'.

Best of Luck http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Shannon
ICQ: 34827819

[stepin]

Daily Summary 5/16/01 3:51:50 AM GMT

steping
Day View Week View Month View Year View

Top Performing Countries.

Country Calls Total Time Hold Time % Split
USA 18 231.75 12.88 69.56%
Germany 2 64.42 20.42 19.33%
United Kingdom 5 20.5 4.1 6.15%
Uruguay 1 16.52 16.52 4.96%
Rest of world 0 0 0 0%
Total 25 333.18 13.33 100%

these are my personal stats since midnight the holdtimes for me on the usa which is 80% of my traffic avg 12-15 minutes
if you need to talk with me hit me up on icq
85302053
or steve@usadialers.com


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by mr man:
allright, that looks nice, but how are the MINUTES and hold times, SERIOUSLY, no bullshit please. That dude that said 15 minutes, that can't be real.</font>

[RongVang]

yeah......the 15 mins...hold times that Dr Dre was talking about........was a little bit too exaggerated.

All NewDialer.com costumers have an average hold times of 12 mins (last 4 weeks)

if you dont bielieve and dont take my word.
Please hit me up on ICQ: 113540934
and I will show u the stats.


regards,
RongVang

Ps. If you would like to resell for telco? please contact me and I will help you!

[mr man]

what about in comparison to the other dialer companies out there, are the minutes better? The hold times sound real nice, but in the end it's all about the minutes.

[stepin]

I do alot of minutes on this dialer alot more then most if you want proof hit me up on icq at # 85302053 or drop me a email
sadialers.com
i can show you my high's as well as my lows
using this dialer i broke my personal record with over 4000 minutes in aday and that was just mine dialer alone not counting my webmasters
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by mr man:
what about in comparison to the other dialer companies out there, are the minutes better? The hold times sound real nice, but in the end it's all about the minutes.</font>

[lock]

Usadialers and Ukdialers have been working together peacefully offering various plans.
We refer webmasters thru to various systems
If technology improves then so can our dialers. We are stil around because we are working with webmasters not against.
If your interested in dialers we recommend you try the latest we have to offer.

[inside]

As for the post on using a sprint route please note we actually use 3 different USA carriers in one dialer to guarantee the sale, Sprint is one of several carriers we deal with.

As with all our resellers Josh Pays on time and anyone still talking about the GIB Madagascar issue will find that just like everyone else dialerprogram.com did not get paid out. If you need to read more goto http://www.ftc.gov or contact GIB


2 Things I must point out for you.

One is your dialer, If someone has a block on 900# then you send them to an offshore US route. Very Illegal you will be shut down for this.


Second, Josh did get paid on all Non US traffic, Non of the webmasters go paid on this traffic. Why are they taking him to court to collect on that money ??

Just want to make sure everyone understands this. Alot of webmasters got left hanging with not pay.

[Ace]

I think anyone associated or doing business with that Josh asshole should be put in a straight jacket and have their heads examined.

Good luck to all of you.

[RongVang]

Daily Summary 5/16/01 1:22:04 AM GMT

Country Calls Total Time Hold Time % Split
USA 6 101.5 16.92 29.25%
Australia 4 88.18 22.05 25.42%
Israel 1 71.95 71.95 20.74%
United Kingdom 8 30.3 3.79 8.73%
Egypt 1 22.85 22.85 6.59%
Netherlands 2 16.53 8.27 4.77%
Bahamas 1 9.47 9.47 2.73%
Germany 1 3.53 3.53 1.02%
Turkey 2 2.63 1.32 0.76%
Rest of world 0 0 0 0%
Total 26 346.95 13.34 100%

Today's hold times 13.34 mins
newdialer.com stats.

[RongVang]

inside........where did you get all those info from?

[further_inside]

Quote
"Second, Josh did get paid on all Non US traffic, Non of the webmasters go paid on this traffic. Why are they taking him to court to collect on that money ??

Just want to make sure everyone understands this. Alot of webmasters got left hanging with not pay. ""


Yes ee do understand you Josh still owes $50K and GIB owe close to $150K I do not see GIB being persecuted on this thread so why make people bring it up?

How awfully tiring....

[RongVang]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ace:
I think anyone associated or doing business with that Josh asshole should be put in a straight jacket and have their heads examined.

Good luck to all of you.</font>


&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Ace ....... you get an "A+" for recognizing the words, but you get an "F" for comprehension.

Please read this one more time:


======================================
Dear Sirs,


Following a lot of speculation on certain adult webmaster boards I am writing to confirm to you that Josh Grund of Dialerprogram.com is a not an owner or shareholder in our IPRS network. If you would care to read the news page on our site you will see he is both a reseller and content partner to us but has no part in network operations or payments from the network.

As for the post on using a sprint route please note we actually use 3 different USA carriers in one dialer to guarantee the sale, Sprint is one of several carriers we deal with.

As with all our resellers Josh Pays on time and anyone still talking about the GIB Madagascar issue will find that just like everyone else dialerprogram.com did not get paid out. If you need to read more goto http://www.ftc.gov or contact GIB

Regards,

---------------------------------------------
Adam Lewis
Chief Technical Officer

http://www.telcoweb.com
http://www.minuteminder.net


Adam@minuteminder.net
Adam@telcoweb.com
=======================================

[HM]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by stepin:

As with all our resellers Josh Pays on time and anyone still talking about the GIB Madagascar issue will find that just like everyone else dialerprogram.com did not get paid out.
</font>

This is bullshit! I know he didn't get paid for U.S. minutes, but he got paid for International minutes just like every other GIB reseller at that time. I know I got paid by Celebrity Dialer for those International minutes and they used GIB. The fact is that Josh ran away with thousands of dollars for International minutes, which he should've paid to webmasters!!

[Doctor Dre]

He got paid for international minutes ... And he sent checks by the way . And International minutes are for the most 3 cents ones ... so he paid a lof of his pocket . He lost a lot of $ .

[inside]

Rong, My info, Dialup using your dialer.
Have you done this ?

If the 900# does not work then a long
011..... number comes up.

Companies are moving to 900# and off the 011.. numbers for a reason.

All the ftc has to do it log on using one of your dialers and see that you send surfers to other #'s that are not blocked,

Parents put a block on 900# for a reason.

[further_inside]

Why does GIB send traffic to NUIE then I spose you are going to tell us thats in the USA ?

LMAO

[inside]

Gib is moving everyone off to 900#

Gib doesnt send you off to another line when your house is blocked from 900#.

If the # is blocked then you can not send someone to another line.

The ftc allows 900#, this is why you see stable companies moving to them.
They are long term companies.

[mr man]

inside, you work for gib? it kinda sounds like it

[Ace]

Rong Vang, I did get paid by GIB but not by Josh. He's a scumbag and I clearly read this in another thread you wrote about him:

&lt;quote&gt;
Josh is not the owner of this new dialer......he is not the boss.
However......I must admit Josh works for this company.....and his contribute greatly to the success of the dialer's company
Josh is responsible for the content (paysites)
&lt;unquote&gt; ( http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004989.html )

So I must assume you're associated with him.
Now tell me I read this the wrong way or whatever grade you wanna give me.

Good luck with him.

[inside]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by RongVang:

If you would care to read the news page on our site you will see he is both a reseller and content partner to us but has no part in network operations or payments from the network.

</font>

Yo rong, lets spell it out for you.

Josh was not a part of Gibs Network operations or payments, he was a reseller and content partner. This means resellers get paid for there traffic. If they choose not to pay there affilates then the reseller is responsible.

What more can we say ?

[HM]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Doctor Dre:
He got paid for international minutes ... And he sent checks by the way . And International minutes are for the most 3 cents ones ... so he paid a lof of his pocket . He lost a lot of $ .</font>

Maybe he sent checks to few webmasters, who knows, but he fucked most of his wembasters. His dialer paid $0.35/minute flat rate, it was his fault he chose this kind of payout, that's the risk he took and he should pay!!

[Doctor Dre]

How do you espect to pay your webmaster when youre owed from like 100k $ ??? lol man get real

He paid the biggest, the one that the money were their icome . He gave a lot of his own money too ... Its GIB fault . not josh's one . they just had to put good dialers online ... thats GIB's fault .

[stepin]

I think a few of these guys are gib resellars are gib it self getting pissed because they are losing clients i my self am owned quiet a chuck from gib from last year i have never gotten paid on usa or anything else from that deal i wont go into the money here if gib wants to contact me feel free to
85302053.I like many others paid out of my pocket to get my guys right . and as far as telco if you want to check the dialers out or if you are a resellar give me a shout .
Far as the 900 to international being wrong if you dont read disclaimers or pops on the 3rd try which is the international its your own fault .

[terminator]

hi steve/steppin
its bruce from dialer king.
looong time no speak.
hows things??

[RongVang]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by inside:
Yo rong, lets spell it out for you.

Josh was not a part of Gibs Network operations or payments, he was a reseller and content partner. This means resellers get paid for there traffic. If they choose not to pay there affilates then the reseller is responsible.

What more can we say ?

</font>

......ouch....I am going to university next year......and I am still confused with some spelling stuff....

can someone tell me.......what is the difference between...... "there" and "their" ???
when and how should I use each of them???

--------------------
chi mot tu tieng anh thoi, ma no cung khong biet viet nua.....:-)
--------------------

my English is so poor......
I definitely do speak and write much better in Vietnamese, Polish or French.....

got to take some English courses this summer.....before the new school year starts!

-------------------------------------------


hey......Inside and Ace
let me tell you guys something.....

I don't care about Josh ok?


If he doesn't pay......then it's his business
and I usually don't pry into other people's affairs.

one more thing.......
I am a reseller that is independent from Josh.......or anyone else.
So if you happen to use my dialers........
then........I am the person who pays you!
Not any Josh's!

[QUOTE]
Ace:
Good luck with him
[QUOTE]

Ace......cordially thank you

Buddha will protect me!

[HM]

The fact is, he got paid for international minutes and he should've paid for those countries to everyone, not just the biggest. Maybe, he paid you and that's why you're defending him. Paying the money I earned to someone else is really fucked up. Don't forget the money was everybody's income. If he only got $0.03/international minute, he should've paid that, rather than nothing. I don't care whose fault it was. He promised to pay and he didn't. It might not have been his fault, but I can't believe how anyone can trust him after not paying.

[Josh G]

Hi everyone, this is Josh from dialerprogram.com.

From what I've read, I guess I'm not the most popular person here, but I think you should read what I have to say, and then make your judgements.

We started reselling for gib back in april 2000. Very quickly we started to accumulate a lot of minutes. At first we were on 45 days payouts, GIB came to me, Sam Anson and Jon Bonanos on the phone, and told me they wanted me to be one of their "gold star" resellers and wanted to pay me weekly. I said fine. Little did I know, at that point, I was selling my soul to the devil.

I can't say for sure, because I don't remember for sure, but I believe it was GIB's idea that I pay $0.35 per minute flat rate. Sam is real good at math, and I believe he ran the numbers showing I could make $0.07 profit or so per minute by doing this. I agreed.

So, for 7 straight months, we sent out checks weekly, paying $0.35 per minute. We even sent out checks to people who earned as little as $0.25 for the week. I'm sure some of you reading this even received checks this small. I also sent out free wire transfers, and free overnight fedex of checks if you earned at least $1000 for the week. Then all the sudden, in October, we stopped paying people, and I'm a liar and a thief? That just doesn't make sense. Keep reading and you'll understand why this happened.

First week in October, I believe it was October 4th, gib lost their usa route. They tried using a few other usa routes but they all died within days. Up until that point we had paid up until September 17th. GIB told us their money was frozen and they could not pay for the pay period September 18-24. Needless to say, I went nuts, and did what I had to do, and GIB ended up wiring me the money for September 18-24. I promptly paid all of my webmasters for that pay period. I was the only reseller to pay for usa minutes for that time period.

After that, GIB only paid on UK minutes to me for a long time. Many phone calls went back and forth, I talked to Sam 5 times a day on the phone, and he told me they would have to pay me 45 days EOM (End Of Month) for all remaining non usa minutes.

Now here is the problem guys. Without USA minutes included, there is no way I could pay out $0.35 per minute for international minutes. There were a TON of countries that old paid out $0.01 per minute. Without USA minutes the gross I would of received per minute would be like $0.22 per minute. If I paid out at $0.35 per minute, I would taken a bath. Yes, this was my problem, not yours, but I just want you to understand what was happening.

GIB still owes me over $100,000 for september 25 through beginning of october usa minutes. I guess it's ok for them to owe money, but not me. Because they are GIB, and all of you have been dependent on them, it's ok to use their dialer and have them still owe money to people.

I admit, I have not handled this situation as well as I could of. I paid out all of you a ton of money, and always sent the checks, weekly. Always on time. Then all this happened. If GIB had not been caught breaking the law, and having their assets frozen by the FTC, I still would be sending you weekly checks. GIB will tell the story they lost $4 million dollars on that deal, but let's not get out the tissues and hold a Jerry Lewis telethon for them. They are doing just fine. But ultimately the responsibility does rest with me, and I accept that. That is why I am starting to right now make amends and start paying people the money they are due. Every penny of it, including usa minutes. I would say 30% of the webmasters in dialer program have been paid in full, of course they don't post on this board though. My goal is that by the end of May, every one in dialer program who is owed money is paid in full. GIB will pay me eventually what they owe me, I will collect that money. But again, that is my problem, not any of yours.

I think it's sad that GIB chooses to post anonymously on this board. Sam, you were a great friend of mine, and you of all people know how this all came down, that to a certain extent this was not my fault. Sam and I were even in secret negotiations for him and 2 other office staff at GIB to leave, and come work for me full time, running my paysites. So give up the fake handles, pretending your from a different country like norway or whatever, and post under your own name. I am accepting my responsibility in this, and you should accept yours, for GIB. It's the right thing to do.

As far as Telco Web, I'm just a glorified reseller again. I don't own any of the company, I'm not in a position of power in the company, except that I supply the content for the members area. One of the big bosses, Adam Lewis, used to do business with me. He was nice enough to offer me the opportunity to offer my content for the dialer. So, let me set the record straight. I do not control payouts, I don't own any of the company, I don't make any important descions for the company. The only people I'll be paying on this new dialer are the people in dialerprogram who chose to use my dialer. I am a reseller, using dialerprogram.com again. If you don't want to do business with me, then don't signup at dialerprogram.com. I guess if you don't trust me, I deserve that. But I am confident that Telcoweb will not put me in the position that GIB did.

Again, I'm really sorry for any pain or unhappiness I have caused anyone over this whole ordeal. The best I can do is pay you all off, and ask you to understand the situation I was in.

If you have any questions, you can email me at josh@dialerprogram.com or icq me at 754118.

Josh G.
dialerprogram.com

[inside]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by stepin:

Far as the 900 to international being wrong if you dont read disclaimers or pops on the 3rd try which is the international its your own fault .</font>


This is exactly the response that puts dialer companies out of biz. Its your fault.

[HM]

Josh, from what I read you disappeared, didn't answer emails nor ICQ messages and that's one of the reasons why you became so unpopular. I didn't really expect to be paid $0.35/minut for int. minutes, but I expected to be paid something for those minutes. Anyway, thank you for posting this message, you could've done this much sooner.

[Josh G]

We all make mistakes in life, if I had it to do all over again I would. I apologize to all of you.

[stepin]

Doing good you?
trying to get some shit right or stirred up one =)
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by terminator:
hi steve/steppin
its bruce from dialer king.
looong time no speak.
hows things??</font>

[DemonWolfe]

You know, I don't know anything about the Josh situation referred to here, but I do know this:

If your enter into a contract with PERSON/Company A in which you agree to pay them X amount for Y service and Company B shorts you cash, it does not let you out of your contract to pay Person A the X amount for Y service.

This seems to be a common thread in the adult internet. If I start a per click program and enter into a contract to pay Person A 5 cents a click to a certain page, and then sell the traffic off to compnay B for 6 cents each, and company B doesn't pay me, I have a legal grievance with company B. This grievance does not release me from having to pay Person A for performing their end of the contract.

Person A would have every right to take you to court, and they would win. It's a very simple open and shut case. It would be up to you to take Person/Company B to court to get your money owed.

I just don't understand how this could be confusing?

Whether or not GIB ever paid one penny to this Josh guy is completely irrelevant to the contracts in which he entered into agreeing to pay X amount for Y traffic/minutes. It's simply not relevant.

Businesses sometimes lose money making deals like this, and if you don't have the money to lose, then you shouldn't provide a sponsorship program.

Someone can attempt to bash me on this post, but I have no stake in any of this, I am simply pointing out the law in this.

If Josh did business under his own name, or a sole prop, everything he owns can be taken and sold at auction to pay off this debt (at the courts discretion). If he was incorportated and he shut down the corporation (filed bankrupcy, etc) he *MAY* be able to get out of all personal liablity, since corporations are often used as legal shield for liablity.

The fact that he is still involved in the same type of business will be heavily scrutinized however, especially the startup capital required to begin a new venture. And this is assuming he is working under another corporation. Also, if it's proven the the corpotation was formed merely for the legal liablity protection, (i.e. all minutes were not kept, quarterly reports filed, etc) they can still get through the corporate shield and into the pesonal assets of the individual.

Sorry for such a long post, but I get tired of reading posts from people who say "It's not INSERTNAMEHERE's fault he didn't pay, INSERTOTHERNAMEHERE didn't pay him, so how could he be expected to pay?

I can't call the phone company and tell them I didn't get my Epoch check so I can't pay my phone bill and expect them to say "Oh that's fine, it's not your fault so don't worry about it."

If the world did work this way, I could borrow money to invest into the stock market, and if the stock failed I would not have to pay back the loan. I mean, its not my fault the stock failed right?

[Wildmanau]

Josh,

Thats a stiring speach!

But what have you done with the money from International minutes from October onwards?

I got paid from everyone but you. I guess all those mins would pay for some good advertising for your paysites wouldnt they!

Sorry doesnt cut it.

Wildman.

[Namejs]

Josh

can you please explain why everybody who was not with you but with other GIB major resellers got paid for international minutes for all of September and October.
You've just refused to pay at all by the 18th September.

As far as I can remember there were only two major guys on the market. You and Dialhardcore.

Dialhardcore paid me for all the international minutes and even the US minutes GIB made in October testing other routes which unfortunately died fast until they found their current route.

SO IT IS OBVIOUS THAT IT IS NOT TRUE THAT GIB STOPED PAYING YOU.
Otherwise I wouldn't have received any money from the other guys.

I also got all the money from Celebrity Dialer but only because I found out that they were part of the DH structure.

You thought that the dialer business will die and that was the last opportunity to grab the last money and disappear. This is just a simple case of greed.

Let's face it some guys stayed calm and were honest because they knew that they want to stay in the business and you don't.

And everybody who gives Josh another chance will wine pretty soon when he lost his international route and/or got shut down by the FTC directly.

[further_inside]

hmmm okay then why has "inside" from GIB who started this GIB thing suddenly stopped posting after josh came to the board and posted the real ? If josh had been paid Inside (Sam from GIB) would be shouting from the roof tops instead of crawling back under his little stone


josh is not lying - and my advise to him is to Sue GIB and pubish the documents on this board if GIB keep stirring up shit

[HM]

I agree 100% with DemonWolfe. If someone borrowed money from a bank, thinking he'll pay it right back with the dialer money, the bank wouldn't care if the person didn't get his money from elsewhere. This goes for every reseller not just dialer resellers.

[further_inside]

&lt;josh said&gt;
"Again, I'm really sorry for any pain or unhappiness I have caused anyone over this whole ordeal. The best I can do is pay you all off, and ask you to understand the situation I was in."
&lt;/josh&gt;

So it seems that josh has now volunteered to pay for monies that he did receive from GIB


Will GIB be following suit and paying out Inside?

[Josh G]

good question, I'd like to know the answer to that myself? It's about time GIB takes their share of this responsibility. It's not ok for me to owe webmasters money, but it's ok for GIB? That's not right.

[boneprone]

Looks like the whole dialer broker team for each dialer is here to through lots of misinformation to the webmaster.. Ive never seen soo many fucking brokers on one thread before pumping up a product like an infomercial.. I can say I know the majority of you to be brokers here and it sucks cause webmasters here dont know any better and think you are giving them unbiased info.. The truth is you are all promoting your own produt here to make a buck, and using slander and false info..

Shit every person on this post thus far saying something good about a particualr dialer is a broker! I cant believe it. I feel sorry for the people here that are falling for this hype.

[RongVang]

DemonWolfe.....
I completely agree with you.

Anyway.....Could you please...read Josh's posts one more time???
But this time to it more precisely!

Please don't get me wrong.
I have nothing against you.

Note! what Josh actually did write.


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
Josh:
We all make mistakes in life, if I had it to do all over again I would. I apologize to all of you.
</font>

Josh did apologize and he pleaded guilty. Am I right?
Also Josh did metion that his confrontation against GIB is his own problem and not his former costumers.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
Josh:
My goal is that by the end of May, every one in dialer program who is owed money is paid in full.
</font>

Josh promise that he will pay the debt which in my opinion it isn't his debt.

So......? What else do you guys want him to do? Froce him to commit a suicide?
You think it would solve the problem?

Listen to me.......
Josh also supposedly owes my co-workers, my friends some money.
But I am not like some of you who are so blinded because of their paychecks.

I guess most of you are Catholic, right?
So.... What did Jesus teach all of you guys? Didn't He teach you to love everyone, even your enemy? Didn't He encourage you to be forgive others?
Doesn't The Holly Bible say that no human being is perfect? That we all make all kind of mistakes throughout our life? We all know that people learn best from their own fault, right?
I condemn Josh for what he did. But I think Josh is praiseworthy and admirable for his courage, devotion and desire to mend his ways.


------- I am not Catholic, so I may be wrong.--------


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
I can't call the phone company and tell them I didn't get my Epoch check so I can't pay my phone bill and expect them to say "Oh that's fine, it's not your fault so don't worry about it."
</font>

This is a great example Demonwolfe!

Because of not having sufficiently much time(too much study!).......I did forget to pay my phone bills in the past (I think I did it like 3 times)
And I was penalized for all that payment's delay. I had my phone line disconneted by the telephone company for several days and then I had to pay extra cash becuase the bills were past due. Also I had to add about 50$ more for reconnecting the phone line.

As you see Demondwolfe. The telephone company was first angry with me because I didn't pay the money I owed them. But when I fulfill all their requirements, everything went back to normal. The telephone company was forgiving.
In fact I had to pay a little price for not paying on time.


The telephone company could afford to forgive me.
So I think the webmaster community also can forgive Josh, right?


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
If the world did work this way, I could borrow money to invest into the stock market, and if the stock failed I would not have to pay back the loan. I mean, its not my fault the stock failed right?
</font>

well.......DemonWolfe.....
If you borrow money to invest into the stock market........and then a big market's crash come.........I agree you'll be in a big trouble.
You will be in a huge debt.
But don't you know that noone is going to give you a death penalty for not paying the amount you borrowed from the bank?
And evem the bank will be willing to give you time to pay off your debt!


Josh made a promise that he will pay every single webmaster soon. So why don't we all be humane and give him just once chance.

Best Regards,
Richard Trinh
richard@newdialer.com

[inside]

This is great, First im Snow, now Im sam.
What does sam have to gain from all this ?
Nothing !
Leave him out of it.

The bottom line is this, Josh did not pay webmasters for international minutes that he got paid on, Every other webmaster of a reseller got paid.
He also didnt payout when he ran a few niteline dialers after all the gib mess.

My point is this, Im not on here bashing anyone else, Your dialer that dialer, does not matter.

A reseller that did not pay webmasters is getting back in the Game.
Webmasters need to know this info.
They then can make there own choice on what they want to do.

Josh did the right the thing by coming here and explaining himself. About 8 months late, but still made his peace.
Josh I hope you do pay out all the money.
We will see.

Me personally, I am using DialerK dialer, works ok. But who cares, No one is talking about Dialerk not Paying webmasters.

[DemonWolfe]

RongVang,

I don't want to entere this debate on ethics and I surely don't want to throw relegion into this topic!

I will say this though, if you didn't pay the phone company for 8 months, it would have cost you a LOT more than $50 because of collection fees.

I guess the forgiveness that you are looking for for Josh may come after he pays off these angry people with interest?

You say that the bank will be willing to give you time to pay off your debt, but I don't think that 8 months with no word would be acceptable to them.

I think a more proper analogy would be if you worked for Boeing and they didn't pay their workers for 8 months.


I just wanted to point out that the money was legally owed. I was writing my message before Josh had ever posted here, but his message went up before mine because I left the office before hiting submit reply. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

In the "Real World" you can't decided to take other peoples money and 8 months later say sorry, I actually plan to try to get it back to you. It's against the law. Plain and simple.

Also, it is pretty lame how all these new names come up in this message thread. I don't think that everyone here is that dumb.

[Josh G]

Your both absolutely right in what your saying. I really can't argue any of your points. People should be aware of what happened, and if by reading my statement they decide not to do business with me, they have every right. I've actually been shocked at the emails I have received today from people, and the icqs, letting me know their understanding. 26 old dialerprogram.com webmasters even signed up today with me. Thank you all for your support.

For international minutes we were paid on, it is no where near enough money to pay off everyone, including usa minutes. So I will be paying a ton of money out of my own pocket. And it's my responsibility to do so, and I will do it. That goes without saying.

But, why won't GIB answer my question on here, WHEN WILL I BE PAID for USA minutes that are owed? Why is it ok for GIB to owe money to webmasters, and they skate away clean, but I get burned at the stake? Granted, it is my responsibility in the end to make due with the webmasters, but GIB you must accept your share of the responsibility as well.

[daveknell]

This all goes back to whatever contractual relationship you have/had with GIB. It's a fact of life that payment for services on international audiotex routes isn't guaranteed - payments are withheld, traffic refiled, routes go down, etc., etc. The advent of the dialler has put more people (webmasters) on the receiving end of this sort of uncertainty than ever before, and many of them have little appreciation of the things which can go wrong. And, after all, copious warnings about this sort of thing aren't a natural part of the sales process.

So our contracts with our customers are a) on paper (it's a bit traditional, but it gives you a much better base to sue us from if we don't pay you) and b) contain a clause stating that in the event of our not being paid for some traffic, you won't be either.

Let's not forget, as well, that GIB aren't sitting on your money, Josh - the FTC notionally are, as part of Verity International's frozen assets. And, frankly, there's little chance of that ever seeing the light of day again..

Dave

[Josh G]

dave, I totally understand that.

My point though is, my situation was caused by verity/gib. Gib admits they haven't paid for these usa minutes. It's ok for them not pay, but it isn't for me? I should not be the only one held accountable for this. I accept my share of the responsibility, it's time for GIB to accept theirs.

[stepin]

I dont ever seeing us getting the funds from last year from them dude i wrote it off as a loss in my books .
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Josh G:
Your both absolutely right in what your saying. I really can't argue any of your points. People should be aware of what happened, and if by reading my statement they decide not to do business with me, they have every right. I've actually been shocked at the emails I have received today from people, and the icqs, letting me know their understanding. 26 old dialerprogram.com webmasters even signed up today with me. Thank you all for your support.

For international minutes we were paid on, it is no where near enough money to pay off everyone, including usa minutes. So I will be paying a ton of money out of my own pocket. And it's my responsibility to do so, and I will do it. That goes without saying.

But, why won't GIB answer my question on here, WHEN WILL I BE PAID for USA minutes that are owed? Why is it ok for GIB to owe money to webmasters, and they skate away clean, but I get burned at the stake? Granted, it is my responsibility in the end to make due with the webmasters, but GIB you must accept your share of the responsibility as well.</font>

[Doctor Dre]

Porn is working like mafia

Mafioso (GIB) sent Josh as resellers for webmasters .

Josh wasn't paid by GIB and can't pay what is owed to webmasters

Josh is tracked and killed down by webmasters

Gib (who are the more related) don't eat shit . Only Josh do ...

They are both responsible of this inscident as he said . And thats why I think http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

lol just joking but thats approx how it work .

[playa]

lets not forget the facts
dialerprogram and telco web are two different companies..

i think some people are trying to add them together to sway webmasters to stay away from telco web's dialers

[RongVang]

yes.....I definitely agree with playa...
someone is afraid of telco's competition.

[DemonWolfe]

Well I surely wouldnt be one of those people...

I down own a dialer...

I'm equally afraid of all dialer programs. &lt;G&gt;

[HM]

And am also not one of those people...
Right now, I am not using any dialer.

Josh, I don't think anybody is asking you to pay for the U.S. minutes (unless GIB pays you). None of the other GIB resellers paid for the U.S. minutes and I don't think we will ever see the money for the U.S. minutes.
And NO, it is not ok for GIB to owe money to webmasters. It's fucked up that GIB is doing business like nothing happened! When I signed up for the GIB dialer, I read it was a legal way to charge a customer. I don't know what GIB told its resellers, but if they told them it's legal, they should pay. They are responsible and they knew what they were doing.

[Josh G]

HM, well, the least I can do is pay for those USA minutes as well. I just want this to be over, I'm sick of it. I got burned by GIB, and have learned my lesson about doing business with them. What happened to me can happen to anyone. And they proved they can get away with it, everyone is still using their dialers.......at least for now.

[reyes]

Josh,you said you will pay everyone in dialer program. So if we`re not doing business with you at this time, will you pay? And when?


reyes

[toker]

I shure hope the FTC never reads this board...

Its funny that not one of you seems to understand the real point in this matter. GIB saams to have created a big war and then they step into the sidelines and watch you guys rip each other apart. In the end webmasters see all of you argue over the issue and GIB comes out like a winner because they did not partake in the war.

You guys need to discuss this on a more professional level instead of bashing every company becuase in turn its only going to kill the dialer industry.

You are putting fear in every webmaster and hurting your reputation as well as the others your trying to expose. I just hope you are all understand you are diging your own graves..notice how many have kept out of this discussion just to stay away from the hype.

Yes there are points that need to be made but the real issue here is these fuckin companies who supply these fucked up dialers. You need to get some of the blame where it belongs and while you all bash GIB is still cashing in and making good on adverising every time their name comes up.

Just my fuckin oppinion i thought should be added http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/tongue.gif

Now with millions of pesos floating around this market every month i think we all need to focus on the real issue. Lets forget the past learn from it and live by what we learn and everyone get back to makin money!! http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif