Whats your average conversion ratio for join4free? [Archive]

evildick

01-29-2002, 08:20 PM

I just have a little EN type of site that is basically just a big adult link site. (kinda like stileproject.com)

I use a full page ad to promote it in certain spots, plus I just put one of their email collection boxes on the top of each of my pages with some basic BIG text offering free porn to those that enter their email address. Nothing fancy. Banners DO NOT work for me with join4free.

I should mention that I don't have a lot of traffic so maybe my stats aren't relevant to you guys with bigger sites. But I have no problem exceeding the minimum payout every period off of my little site.

michaelw

01-30-2002, 02:38 PM

anyone else?

viper2K1

01-30-2002, 03:11 PM

signup boxes for J4F don't seem to work for my traffic, so I just use some spicy text-links.

the stats show
Average Signup Ratio : 1 in 17.0

but they don't take into account the deductions ... so I got a real 1 in 22.7 signup ratio (I got 25% deductions)

so I guess it's not all that bad considering it's with TGP traffic and the fact that J4F is a bit overexposed ...

michaelw

01-30-2002, 04:48 PM

Is there another program like join4free thats not overly exposed?

michaelw

01-30-2002, 07:06 PM

and who pay of course :)

webwolf

05-15-2002, 06:11 AM

Originally posted by High Roller
completely depends on the traffic, and how targeted it is

1:12 on good traffic

1:300 on popunder traffic if it's bad

HighRoller,

how do popunder traffic works for you with other types of programs you market? do you order popunders from search engines so they are targeted, or pop something up or (under) on your sites?

Serge

RRRED

05-15-2002, 02:41 PM

We keep overexposure under control by offering niche sites and changing our front end frequently. April 26th we changed the front end of our general site. A couple days ago we added a new front end to the amateur site. This should help keep everything fresh.

This page.... http://adultcorner.com/ does a consistant 1:14 The steps at the bottom of signing up improved the ratio by 100% and has stayed ever since. I would not use banners. When you're offering something for free the surfer is on the defense right away. You have to do a little more work to assure them there are no real strings.

Also, don't forget our payouts were raised to $1.10 -$1.30 per confirmed email. If we weren't running strong, we wouldn't be able to do this ;)

bdldlogs

05-15-2002, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by michaelw
Is there another program like join4free thats not overly exposed? FreeEzineBucks (http://www.freeezinebucks.com/ps.php?s=feb&u=bdldlogs)

Clocka

05-18-2002, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by michaelw
Is there another program like join4free thats not overly exposed?

www.pink4free.com

:0)

rowan

05-19-2002, 09:12 AM

I used a 100% unique email address to sign up for join4free so that I could simply kill off the email address if they didn't honour my unsubscribe request. No problems there, however I have been receiving the occasional spam to that address since I cancelled. The emails do NOT originate from the normal join4free mailer address, so my email address has somehow 'leaked' (or has been sold) to a 3rd party.

Here's a recent one:

Date: Sun, 21 Apr 0102 06:23:40 -0800
From: luciana001@webcams.net
To: ******@****.sensation.net.au
Subject: Free!!

Hey, I'm Luciana. I'm from Los Angelos, California. Two week's ago I turned 18 and my parents bought me a web cam for my birthday. I started playing with it, now me and my friends are addicted to showing off our young bodys to everyone that wants to see us! We love this thing! I
(etc, etc... just the usual "come see me on my webcam" spam)

Cheers.

code||die

05-19-2002, 10:02 PM

Are you sure it can't be found anywhere else on the internet?
Because once it's somewhere to be found, emailbots will find it, and will spam it. Also, some free email providers have pages where anyone can see your email address ("profiles" and such).

Personally, I kinda liked j4f. They converted at about 1:33 for me, which I thought was quite good.

rowan

05-19-2002, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by code||die
Are you sure it can't be found anywhere else on the internet?
Because once it's somewhere to be found, emailbots will find it, and will spam it. Also, some free email providers have pages where anyone can see your email address ("profiles" and such).

Personally, I kinda liked j4f. They converted at about 1:33 for me, which I thought was quite good.

It was an email address I created specifically for signing up with join4free, so there's no reference at this end, apart from /etc/aliases on my server. :)

I can only think of 2 possible scenarios, besides them actually knowingly giving my email address to a 3rd party:

1. They screwed up and included my email addr in messages to other subscribers (never saw that on the emails I got)

2. Some part of their web site barfed (or was hax0red) and the person got the email address that way

Cheers.

RRRED

05-19-2002, 11:44 PM

This will be investigated tomorrow when everyone's at the office. We do not sell our lists..... Ever

Mikey

05-20-2002, 01:30 AM

http://www.062969.com/j4f.jpg

At this rate, I am going to become THEIR best sponsor.

This is traffic being filtered through an FPA. Most likely it is people cancelling their free membership within 14 days or so.

matuloo

05-20-2002, 08:20 AM

I can still get my ratio under 1:10 with a highly targeted full page add, but then not many people click the links so I dont make much. But it shouldnt be a problem to get a 1:20 ratio.

If only they wouldnt have the deductions. But what can we do, its still one of the best if not the best 4free program out there.

RRRED

05-20-2002, 05:32 PM

Hey Rowan, can you give me the email with the headers in place? We'll get 'em by ip.....

RRRED AT wegcash.com

SexySites

05-20-2002, 05:40 PM

haha mikey thats the problem.....quite a few are charged back again

laters,
Chris

basik

05-20-2002, 06:37 PM

1:10 ;)

RRRED

05-20-2002, 08:24 PM

Charged back again? What on earth are you talking about?

Our extremely high payouts are possible by filtering out the garbage. If you promote Join4free by saying "blah blah they have 8 million full length videos blah blah" you're asking for your surfer to unsubscribe. Also there are webmasters who promote our program by offering links to hotmail and yahoo for a free email address that they should never check. Well reap in the deductions as it's no skin off our ass. If you promote the program honestly, the deductions won't be more than 10%. If you're misleading, your surfer will unsubscribe within 2 weeks. We lose a member as well as their email address. How do you think webmasters get paid? Consoles and newsletters...

A little trick I've found works very well. If you tell your surfer that we have hired staff that combs the web for the most legitimate, high quality sites on the web, they will stick around longer. Two weeks is all you need them for. Give them a reason to stay and something to look forward to.

Wilbo

05-20-2002, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by rowan

It was an email address I created specifically for signing up with join4free, so there's no reference at this end, apart from /etc/aliases on my server. :)

I can only think of 2 possible scenarios, besides them actually knowingly giving my email address to a 3rd party:

1. They screwed up and included my email addr in messages to other subscribers (never saw that on the emails I got)

2. Some part of their web site barfed (or was hax0red) and the person got the email address that way

Cheers.

Spammers also mine for addresses. They get a huge list of domains, then they get a big list of usernames. They run a program that goes to the server and asks if so and so exists on a certain domain. If the user exists it writes his addy to a file. So your address may have been mined.

toker

05-20-2002, 11:17 PM

Well the chances of mining that exact address are pretty slim but i do get this somtimes they will fire off somthing like free@yourdomain.com and if it dont bounce they will add you to their list. Its very easy with this method to prove i didnt signup for their list and for me to get them shut down.

Mikey

05-21-2002, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by RRRED

If you promote the program honestly, the deductions won't be more than 10%. If you're misleading, your surfer will unsubscribe within 2 weeks. We lose a member as well as their email address. How do you think webmasters get paid? Consoles and newsletters...

I use your FPA

Originally posted by RRRED
Two weeks is all you need them for. Give them a reason to stay and something to look forward to.

I wish you were more clear on this in your faqs or something, I only found out about this by digging thru your message board and it wasn't even on your main message board, it was like on the support board or something like that. I am sure alot of other webmaster wonder what causes the deductions.

I am not complaining or anything, I don't really use the program that much anyway.

matuloo

05-21-2002, 07:09 AM

Mikey : If I understood RRRED correctly basically she says that you have to prepare the surfer for what he is gonna receive - daily newsletter and some offers, so if you tell the surfer that he will receive a "free newsletter" as a bonus and "special - ultra hard to find deals" he will be prepared for the emails and it will not make him unsubscribe right after he receives the first one.

And if you can manage to make him think that those offers are really "great" and that there is someone who constantly looks and searches the web to find them, the surfer might feel like there is someone who really works his ass off to provide him with great opportunities and will look forward to receive the daily emails.

:)

Pinhead

05-21-2002, 07:43 AM

Some good marketing points there, matuloo :)

code||die

05-21-2002, 08:41 AM

Personally, I think the newsletters come too often. I myself experienced them coming up to two times day...every surfer will get annoyed by that eventually!
I mean, there is something called overkill... However, J4F is still very good, apart from that minor point.

RRRED

05-21-2002, 09:56 AM

Matuloo, perfectly said :)

And I agree something should be said about this in our faq.... I'll put something up today to explain further. I didn't realize there was much confusion about deductions.

RRRED

05-21-2002, 03:25 PM

rowan, will you please email to me the email address you received the spam from? We are trying to find out who did this. Thanks

Mikey

05-21-2002, 03:35 PM

matuloo - I agree with what you are saying. I just got to figure out a way to do it! :embarrase

I am not knocking the program, I like it. I just had to smile and say "what the fuck"when I saw my stats.

matuloo

05-21-2002, 03:48 PM

Nice to see that you liked my little "marketing tips", huh anyone want to hire me to handle webmaster marketing support? :D

Mikey - how about to add this line below the J4F add :

"Why the hell should you search the web over and over to find the best deals when there is someone willing to do it instead of you totally free of charge?" ;)