Dialer Question

[inside]

Ok, this is what I was confused about.
Please help me out with this.
Playa says telcoweb is one of the big3.

Ok so when I go to this page and download a dialer.
http://nobsdialer.com/faq.htm
http://www.free-xxx-pass.com/pornomovie.exe

I see that playa telcoweb dialer is just a reseller of Totallyconnect,
Totally Connect Ltd
Knowledge House
Chelmsford Road
Southgate
London
N14 4JN
info@totallyconnect.com

Also this dialer
http://www.telcoweb.com/download/demodialer.exe

Now what is even more strange, is a post about these guys getting screwed over by tottalyconnect.
Post at the bottom.
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001379.html


And also, our very own Richard says TottallyConnect is Shady.
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"Totally Connect is a UK company, from what i've heard, they sound a little risky".

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004849.html

[terminator]

inside,
have a read of this.these are my thoughts.
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/005644-2.html


regards,
bruce
dialerk*ng.com

[playa]

quit starting shit on the board,,,
i gave fucking props to all the dialer providers,,,

why must we start this shit again?

[richard]

Inside, for a self proclaimed dialer guru, you are not quite up to speed on this.

ICSTIS regulations state that the line provider's contact details must be on the dialer, TC are the line provider for the UK route.

We have ICSTIS approval/license for the new UK numbers, so references to TC will be replaced by the sub-company who is dealing with the uk routes.

All clear?

Rich.

[inside]

richard, I just call it like I see it.

I download one of snows dialers and it says GIB, not vipdialer.

Just strange to me that you say tottalyconnect is risky but then your dialer has them as the contact people.

If this was me I would make sure that this company was not part of my dialer after I say they are risky.

[inside]

Now im really messed up.

Telcoweb dialer terms,
" Neither Totally Connect nor Coulomb are responsible for any material you may view using this service. The billing company does not control the Content posted via the Service and, as such, does not guarantee the accuracy, integrity or quality of such Content."

Also confused about this post about
Coulomb shaving traffic.
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/005417.html

Guys, Im not trying to prove anyone wrong here, Just calling it like I see it.
Make sure you understand this and not to steer away from the facts.

[richard]

TC use/used to us Coulomb as their provider, but i think they might have had their own UK numbers (being a UK company it is easy to setup) put into Coulomb software, but thats a guess.

Dave, come help me out mate please http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

The GIB dialer has GIB address, because its GIB's UK number.

Telcoweb has TC address, because they are using TC's uk number until their icstis license comes though (which i believe it has).

Telcoweb will have their own address (as it happens, i think it will be a sub-company's) in the new dialer build in the next week or so.

Does that all make sense?

Its no big deal.

[inside]

See what Im lost on is this,
Let me use this analogy.

DMR (3rd party billing)Screwed over a ton of webmasters. I was thinking it was the same thing here.

Would be the same if you said "we took over DMR's merchant account # until we got visa/mastercard to change over the account holder info".

Ok, but this will go away on the next build.
I think I understand now.

[Jaiden]

Inside,

Did you have to bring up DMR? Right when i thought i've healed from the trauma, you go and bring it up.

Now i have to check myself back into therapy again.

haha.. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[richard]

I think its totally different. Who knows what the deal was, buy i am sure telcoweb have a lot to offer TC in return for use of one of their uk numbers- as that is all it is, a uk number.

But yep, next build it will be a different address.

If you want your own address, as a reseller, then i think that could be arranged too - but you'd have to get yourself an icstis license- dont quote me on that though.

[daveknell]

Well, what a tangled web. I'm not going to comment on the specifics of the various commercial relationships which have existed between TelcoWeb, Coulomb and Totally Connect over the last year or so - that's between us.

However, it's often the case that dialler companies will share infrastructure. And, here, I'm talking about companies which have written their own diallers, not ones who resell. We carry three other companies' traffic through our London POP and use other people's POPs for some of our international routes. That's the way it works: we co-operate with our competitors to strengthen both of our businesses.

Dave

[demoman]

let's blacklist the word dialer

[daveknell]

Couldn't agree more. As any Englishman knows, it's spelt with two ls..

Dave

[inside]

Richard, Do you have an example of the new dialer with your company info on it ??

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by richard:

Telcoweb will have their own address (as it happens, i think it will be a sub-company's) in the new dialer build in the next week or so.

Does that all make sense?

Its no big deal.</font>

[richard]

no, because i am quite happy to use the telcoweb routes, rather than go through the hastle of getting my own uk numbers.

[The Badgurl]

So, what if you are some stooge about 5 times down the food chain?

Like, you're are using a dialer from a reseller, who actually got their dialer from a reseller...who in turn got theirs from a reseller...and on into infinite?

[Due]

The Badgurl&gt;
Then you just signup to be a reseller http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
I think the number of resellers is getting close to the number of actual webmasters promoting dialers http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[richard]

lol Due.

Badgirl,(for example, spam, cough) we provide the exact same service that telcoweb direct would provide, but with the more intimate touch.

In terms of rates, customisation, etc, its exactly the same. We do of course have our extras, content deals for example, better support, other partnerships and affiliations, etc.

By joining a big reseller, you are also involved with a company who has more clout than you perhaps would on your own, when it comes to future rate negotiations/deals, etc.

So a 5th level reseller might be on exactly the same rates as the top level, or they may be on lower, depending on whether anyone has taken a slice of the money.

What you have to look at, is what the reseller "addition" to the service is, if they are chucking you a dialer, a build url and a stats url, then you might as well go above them. If they are giving you a value-added product, with extra support, content, promotional material, other deals/offers/services, for exactly the same rates, then you are obviously benefiting by going to that reseller, and not direct.

Thats the way we look at it, in our eyes (blinded by the fact we are completely bias), we offer a better solution to a dialer reseller, than going direct. At the same time, i know of another top level reseller, who does not offer a better service, and quite probably a poorer solution than going direct.

Its all about the "value added" idea.

[The Badgurl]

So, Richard, what you are saying is, you want to give me an "Intimate Touch" ???


You CAD! *smack*


*lol*

[richard]

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

i'd have to lower the rates i pay you though... i dont come cheap.

[inside]

Richard I guess I will go back to the start,

Looks like you are just a reseller of a reseller, since telcoweb is a reseller of totallyconnect.

http://www.telcoweb.com/download/demodialer.exe

With your post about how shady totallyconnect is.

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"Totally Connect is a UK company, from what i've heard, they sound a little risky".

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004849.html

I guess im still lost. I was looking for an example of your new dialer from telcoweb.

[richard]

*yawn*

Are you a retard Inside?

[inside]

Richard,
Its simple, when I go to snow's dialer it says GIB, when I go to sextracker dialer it says go in direct, when I go to your dialer it says, Tottallyconnect.

So I am still looking for this new dialer with your telcoweb lines and info.

Your Post, I quote
"Totally Connect is a UK company, from what i've heard, they sound a little risky".


So I have come to conclusions that you are working with a risky company.

[richard]

Inside, the answer is equally simple, and has been explained in the posts above.

Once again:

Telcoweb is not a reseller for Totally Connect, the only reason Totally Connect's address is there, is to comply with icstis regulations.

At the end of the day, it does not deteriorate from the dialer's excellent performance, and will be changed in the next dialer build to incorperate a different company's address, who also has icstis approval.

The address does not show who is reselling for who, it only shows who is responsible for the UK route.

Kapiche?

thread closed, if anyone does not fully understand this, then feel free to email/icq me and i can go through it again with you.

If anyone wants to see what all the fuss is about with the telcoweb solution, and why other networks a feeling so threatened by them, you are also welcome to come and talk to me http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Rich.