Now we've to pay?

[Fetisher]

I'm tired of shit, first TGP webamsters asked for "quality" (like if most of them can recognize quality when they see it), then for few ads (maybe no ads?) and now I found some sites using some shit called tgppro that asks me to pay so I can submit my galleries. What's next? Should I bend over? Maybe pay the vaseline and the condoms? This is fucking crazy, I checked the site (I won't tell you the URL <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> ) and now TGP webmasters will make thousands off our galleries, and I pay content, bw and my time which is quite valuable. Hope this is not becoming a new trend between TGP

[DialerEntertainment]

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />

[Dawgy]

search engines are going to the paid listing model, why not tgps & link sites? if a link site can provide you with quality traffic, i see no reason not to charge for listings. maybe the 1st 10 in a category or something. <br /><br /> <img border="0" alt="[Bounce]" title="" src="graemlins/bounce.gif" />

[TarPy]

It's been a trend for a while. You are paying for the traffic. That's the way many top TGPs see it, that's the way Yahoo! sees it. They charge $700 for a listing, talk about bending over.

[DialerEntertainment]

It's hard to justify paying for a gallery listing like that though because your FREE content is the only thing keeping the TGP alive...

[Fetisher]

I still feel the finger in my ass! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

[ceramic]

does anyone know of a good gallery maker that is free?, i found one but i seemed to lost the url for it.

[MrHappy]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> It's hard to justify paying for a gallery listing like that though because your FREE content is the only thing keeping the TGP alive... </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You have a point, but it's not that complicated for TGP owner to bild his/hers own galleries...

[Julia-P]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Fetisher:<br /><strong>(I won't tell you the URL <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> ) </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">It's <br /> <a href="http://www.tgppro.com" target="_blank">http://www.tgppro.com</a> <br /><br />Sorry, I couldn't resist it! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /><br />But seriously, I signed my site and hope this works, in the end not only TGP owners will win but also gallery makers because this kind of resources will clean all the crap a little and there will be room only for professionals who strive to last longer on this business, I'm tired of newbies posting galleries (and changing them as soon as they got listed) just to make enough dosh to have a beer at the pub. Plus, if you're getting a good listing for only 20 bucks at lots of TGP who I hope will embrace this kind of service, what do you care about webmasters making money? I really wish you to make the more you can, I'm not between those webmasters "hating" the gallery makers, I'm a gallery maker myself, I'd suggest you to try this because in the long run (and long run in adult biz can be measured in weeks), I guess this will be the standard, and getting known between TGP webmasters will make you no harm. Besides, you can post your list of galleries to the resource area, so you'll get more exposure to your galleries<br /><br />Whoo blokes, it was supposed to be a short repply!

[tradermcduck]

@ Fetisher,<br /><br />seems like you are new in this biz - almost every TGP has paid listings nowadays. <br /><br />@ Julia-P,<br /><br />I wouldn't be that optimistic! From my point of view the price for a gallery spots will be higher very soon. E. g. you pay let's say $100 - if you are good + you have luck you make $150, maybe $120. However many webmasters will make less and go out of the biz...

[justsexxx]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Julia-P:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Fetisher:<br /><strong>(I won't tell you the URL <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> ) </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">It's <br /> <a href="http://www.tgppro.com" target="_blank">http://www.tgppro.com</a> <br /><br /></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Anyone has experience with it?<br /><br />Andre

[donger]

hah. hopefully if this catches on, it will put an end to the 1,000,000 dipshit gallery makers out there and b <img border="0" alt="[Ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/ouch.gif" /> ring some sense back into this biz <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />

[oil]

I saw today a new TGP, just surfed in seems that they are not 100 % finished but it sound great<br />the place a link to your gallery and also a link to your Homepage.<br /><br />I gonna keep them in my eye, cause I always hatet when TGPs don´t allow to put my HOME Link on my Site, <br /><br />This doesn´t make any sense to me either. they get the galleries / the pics, and I get shitty converting traffic<br /><br />everyone is fucked with that deal<br />url was: hardcoreoffice.com

[tgppro]

To clarify things a little:<br />The <a href="http://www.tgppro.com" target="_blank">TGP PRO</a> registered domain system is not something against the gallery makers. In fact, this system may HELP the gallery maker, we're experienced gallery makers too and we know that we cannot ask for something without giving something in exchange. Go to this <a href="http://www.tgppro.com/level2.html" target="_blank">URL</a> to find out how you can improve your galleries/profit as gallery maker at the same time TGP owners do!<br /><br />Another point: the registered domain system is just the tip of the iceberg so to call it. We're working on a vast project that will help everybody ("both sides of the fence" like somebody told at our board) because we know most TGP owners are also gallery makers, so what's the point to put somebody against himself? Once we finish everything (no more than 3-4 months) you won't believe TGP biz could exist the way it is right now. Right now we're beta testing an incredibly powerful tool for TGP owners that we'll give for free to some webmasters or with big discounts<br /><br />Right now the system will help gallery makers (right now I'm answering an ICQ where a very known person on this board is telling me they WANT to pay) by having better listings (or even GETTING A LISTING), posting their gallery lists for mass use, having special design, cleaning TGP of crap... this is a win-win situation, and of course TGP owners DESERVE to be paid for this. I'm not talking about first ten listings, but the model should be ALL listings paid!<br /><br />In short, become a PRO or remain as newbie, like Julia says, there's more money in this biz than a 6-pack<br /><br />Fernand<br />Admin@tgppro.com

[basschick]

Fetisher, there have been pay per listing tgp's out there for a while. you probably just didn't know.<br /><br />second, if it would help my little tgp get less bullshit posts - guys with 10 pics and 2/3 of a page of ads, or 7k thumbs or guys with 5 different ads interspersed throughout the page - i'd gladly charge $5 a month just to keep posting limited to serious adults.<br /><br />third, if tgp's didn't have what you consider the ridiculous requirements for listing, they would have significantly less bookmarkers and would send significantly less traffic.<br /><br />i suspect that the bottom line is that if they don't stay competitive with each other, they lose their traffic.

[Exxxotica]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by donger:<br /><strong>hah. hopefully if this catches on, it will put an end to the 1,000,000 dipshit gallery makers out there and b <img border="0" alt="[Ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/ouch.gif" /> ring some sense back into this biz <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">AMEN!!!

[toker]

Why not incorp a submission system within then i think it would hold some real value for the money. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br /><br />The only problem i see is that once you have 200 guys paying half of them will start getting shitty listings anyway. So it might be worth it to start if you get a good spot but in the long run there will always be the same issues for many webmasters. <br /><br />If i were to get listed near the bottom of TGP why should i pay if im only going to get about 5% of the traffic another guy gets??<br /><br />Not to say its a bad IDEA but it might not be that great afterall except for the TGP owners..

[monksex]

He I posted about that 2 months ago :-(<br />Where would the TGP's be without galleries?<br />We make a buck with it, and they also because of the fresh content every day, cq visitors.<br />And building all your own galleries every day for your TGP is a little bit to much work, so TGP's need our galleries<br />And isn't that the way they got big with it?<br />So Fetisher you're right<br />And paying for SE is different because they offer their service to the whole internet and not only adult traffic.<br /><br />Have a nice weekend all ;-)

[picmaster]

to clear the things out <br />let's consider simple example if i pay for everything <br />bw 1$ a gig <br />content 50$ a set ( very good hq pics &new)<br />time ( time is money) <br />you not buing a spot at tgps just submit <br />then as i saw recently average stats for sign ups<br />is 200 000 =150$ (pretty good result ) so let's consider it is 150$ <br />so only for 1 -st page with 15 thumbs ( 80 kb) <br />we have 16 gigs + 16 for big pics =32 =32$<br />32$ for bw + 50$ for content =82$ + your valuble time so if you are lucky you will profit 70$ if not you profit will be like 0.000$ if you are <br />consider also this some time later i guess sign up ration on average will be 100$ for 200k <br />so at the end - if you are serious about gallery making may be you will profit but like 30-40% if you are lucky of course also and for the rest 60-70% not paying nothing but if they are lucky they could earn some bucks so if not they loose only time but not the money so as for me tgp traff today is usless and everybody knows why and that's why i will pay 700$ for yahoo listing and will make 400%-500% profit then i will post to tgp<br />That's all <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br />by the way many tgp also not profiting at all and that's why some of them suggest to pay for listing

[mojobabes]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by picmaster:<br /><strong>to clear the things out <br />let's consider simple example if i pay for everything <br />bw 1$ a gig <br />content 50$ a set ( very good hq pics &new)<br />time ( time is money) <br />you not buing a spot at tgps just submit <br />then as i saw recently average stats for sign ups<br />is 200 000 =150$ (pretty good result ) so let's consider it is 150$ <br />so only for 1 -st page with 15 thumbs ( 80 kb) <br />we have 16 gigs + 16 for big pics =32 =32$<br />32$ for bw + 50$ for content =82$ + your valuble time so if you are lucky you will profit 70$ if not you profit will be like 0.000$ if you are <br />consider also this some time later i guess sign up ration on average will be 100$ for 200k <br />so at the end - if you are serious about gallery making may be you will profit but like 30-40% if you are lucky of course also and for the rest 60-70% not paying nothing but if they are lucky they could earn some bucks so if not they loose only time but not the money so as for me tgp traff today is usless and everybody knows why and that's why i will pay 700$ for yahoo listing and will make 400%-500% profit then i will post to tgp<br />That's all <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br />by the way many tgp also not profiting at all and that's why some of them suggest to pay for listing</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">OK, now it's clear! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

[mojobabes]

But seriously, are you making less than 5 signups with 200,000 uniques and you call it LUCK? Aren't you sure it's you that fail at gallery making? Send me those uniques anytime you want to my PAY hosted gallery and I will pay the BW, the host, this TGP PRO thing and even buy you some beers. I agree that TGP traffic is becoming worse everyday, but if you're not doing an average of 1 signup every 20000 uniques, then you suck at gallery making or you have a crappy sponsor. 200000 uniques means to me like 400 dollars and not to mention you're talking about expensive content, even with your figures I'd get more than 300 bucks which I won't get with any SE listing (believe me, I tried). So if you want to send 200,000 uniques, just give me a shout! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

[picmaster]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by mojobabes:<br /><strong>But seriously, are you making less than 5 signups with 200,000 uniques and you call it LUCK? Aren't you sure it's you that fail at gallery making? Send me those uniques anytime you want to my PAY hosted gallery and I will pay the BW, the host, this TGP PRO thing and even buy you some beers. I agree that TGP traffic is becoming worse everyday, but if you're not doing an average of 1 signup every 20000 uniques, then you suck at gallery making or you have a crappy sponsor. 200000 uniques means to me like 400 dollars and not to mention you're talking about expensive content, even with your figures I'd get more than 300 bucks which I won't get with any SE listing (believe me, I tried). So if you want to send 200,000 uniques, just give me a shout! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">well it's not my numbers but i saw them many times<br />so i can say you are lucky then with your sign ups you said that tgp is getting worse so in a year or less you will make just a half what you make today

[ceramic]

I need Content, i plan on starting to submit to tgp's but every content provder i have seen is either exspensive as hell or the model's plain out make me want to puke on my keyboard. any care to provide me to a great content provider.

[oil]

@cermaic<br /><br />better star a new topic for that<br />anyway I prefer ounique.com for content

[toker]

Check out..<br />pixmasters.com - Various gallery and cheap fill stuff<br />phoenixcontent.com - Great stuff and very affordable<br />cd-media.net - Various types and quality<br />contentshack.com - Fair Quality pretty cheap