Varadox Info..

[spazdialer.com]

Well people... You've heard me bitch, and you've heard me question about the Varadox payment situation... I must say, Their word is their bond. I was very surprised. But I guess not everyone is alike. This is just to re-assure all the LEGIT resellers/webmasters of varadox, that you WILL be paid! Take it from me! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Bounce]" title="" src="graemlins/bounce.gif" />

[Jon]

<img border="0" alt="[Bounce]" title="" src="graemlins/bounce.gif" /> <br /><br />Jon

[spazdialer.com]

well well, look whos back! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> where ya been bro...

[Jon]

Here and there...Or was it There and here...<br /><br />*shrugs*<br /><br />but I am back now...I missed my boards too much<br /><br />And these new damn smilies just rock <img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" /> <br /><br />Jon

[Tam]

spazz...... I am glad you got your money, but then we always said you would get every HONEST minute produced in your account, and we have never strayed from this fact even for a minute. As you may have noticed, your check was considerably less than stats say that you made, why? After we deducted the spammers and whatnot, that is all you had left of your check. May I also add that in light of the following statement pulled directly from the agreement you signed, which is a binding contract, which reads as follows:<br /><br />PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES<br /><br />The Broker will use its best efforts to advertise, market, distribute and sell the Dialer Software. The Broker agrees NOT TO engage in any of the following activities: (1) advertise that the Dialer Software is free or that there is no billing associated with the use of the Dialer Software; (2) advertise or distribute the Dialer Software via spam e-mail or through any other bulk mass marketing scheme; (3) distribute the Dialer Software through forced or automatic downloads without the consent of the customer; (4) advertise, sell, or distribute the Dialer Software to any underage persons.<br /><br />This is an excerpt from the public statement we made and we fully intend to stand by what we have stated, regardless of popularity:<br /><br />FOR SPECIFIC DELIVERY TO EACH BROKER INVOLVED:<br /><br />Your Broker Agreement is hereby terminated with cause under section 5.0 thereof, by reason of breach of the following terms:<br />- cheating by sub-distributor(s) for which you are responsible, by automatically hitting up to seven (7) or sight (8) dialers from one IP address to Varadox’s premium service, in attempts to artificially inflate the number of commissionable minutes under the Broker agreements<br />- putting dialer links into unsolicited emails or advertisements, distributions of dialers via spam or unauthorized email in bulk<br />- auto–downloads in contravention of Broker agreement terms<br />- targeting of under-age end-users by sub-distributors<br /><br />We formally point out the Indemnity under section 11 of the Broker agreement, under which Varadox may be entitled to bill you back for all damages suffered, in addition to the remedies specifically set out elsewhere in the contract. This course of action is under active consideration.<br /><br />We also bring your attention to the rights within section 5.0, and in particular that Varadox has the right to set off all damages it has suffered against amounts you may be owed, as well as the right to cease compensation accrual as of and from the date of first non-compliance, regardless of when discovered. This is also being actively considered.<br /><br />If you propose to re-enlist to participate in further Varadox offerings or services you will do so on the terms and conditions no less favorable to Varadox than the existing Broker Agreement, as that may be amended by Varadox, and only upon acceptance by Varadox of your application to re-enlist. This includes participation in the European-only interim dialer access, and access to future distribution and revenue programs.<br /><br />Govern Yourself Accordingly<br /><br />Your account is terminated effective immediately and no further money will be paid for this account. Your account had more spamming and cheating going on with the few active dialers you had than at least 50% of all the active dialers we have at Varadox. You were warned that this was getting out of hand but when approached all you could do was ask would YOU get paid for these calls. When we told you that you would not, you got beligerant and rude, when it is very simply put in ALL sponsors terms of service that NO ONE gets paid for spamming. I have sent you EVERY email I received and every complaint, from using everything from child porn to the word free. I will not discuss this any further with you, but since you are so insistant upon wanting to discuss all business on public boards, I am trying to accomodate you and meet you in a forum you so like to play in.<br /><br />Thank you,<br />Tam

[DialerNET]

That looks like a knockout blow if ever I saw one!<br /><br />Jason.

[PeepNTom]

I have stated it a few times on here when people are<br />saying they wont get paid blah blah blah, well see<br />you do get paid eventually, even though yours was less than you thought because you were spamming <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

[Joshua]

Hmph, I'm not trying to start anything here by all means. BUT, how could you tell for example if minutes were accumulated from a site containing materials against your TOS or AUP or by spam? You guys calling everyone that used your dialer and asking where and how they received it? <br /><br />Just wondering.

[Jon]

Hi,<br /><br />We have been doing extensive research into this. We have a hired security analyse company to let us know which numbers add up and which don't. That lets us know right off. Also we do get reports of spam from users...Out of 5 spams you generally get 1 complaint so we follow up on it. If we have proof then we will shut the account down and the monies will not be paid...<br /><br />Simple as that...We do not make a choice of wether someone is spamming or cheating unless we have proof...Just not good business ethics :-)<br /><br />Hope that answers your question Joshua<br /><br />Jon

[Joshua]

Hmph, now I'm even more confused? No offense, but I thought Varadox like went under or something and you guys were checking back on all accounts to see who was legit and what not. Was just wondering, keep that in mind, how you were finding out who in the PAST did what and how they did it. Really doesn't matter though. The more and more I ask the more it looks (to me anyways) that I'm trying to like see if I'm gonna get caught or screwed outta any money and I've never used one of your dialers. Damn curiosity makes me look guilty at times.<br /><br />It's cool though Jon, no need to go into it any further. Probably just confuse me even more. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" />

[PeepNTom]

now that did make me smile! <img border="0" alt="[ROTFLMAO]" title="" src="graemlins/rotflmao.gif" />

[Joshua]

Glad my confusion could bring a smile to your face Tom. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

[PeepNTom]

your welcome little jerk buddy <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /><br />btw...<br />varadox is awesome except for the USA route troubles there currently having.

[Joshua]

That's it, rub it in my face that I'm little and you're big. I see how it is. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> <br /><br />BTW, my post(s) were in no way flaming against them. I was just under that impression. I personally think charging someone an amount for 5-10 minutes to look at porn that they could pay for a monthly trial is wrong and anyone that would do that would pay the same amount for 5-10 minutes instead of a montly membership is a moRon. That's just my opinion though and how I see it. I am NOT bashing anyone so no need to get 400 responses back about how wrong I am, ok? heh <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

[Jon]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Joshua:<br /><strong>That's it, rub it in my face that I'm little and you're big. I see how it is. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> <br /><br />BTW, my post(s) were in no way flaming against them. I was just under that impression. I personally think charging someone an amount for 5-10 minutes to look at porn that they could pay for a monthly trial is wrong and anyone that would do that would pay the same amount for 5-10 minutes instead of a montly membership is a moRon. That's just my opinion though and how I see it. I am NOT bashing anyone so no need to get 400 responses back about how wrong I am, ok? heh <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">We all have our own opionions and if a company can't handle that then they won't survive...Its always better to ask questions then wonder...<br /><br />Your cool :-)<br /><br />Jon

[DialerNET]

Joshua, ther are solid methods that are used to see if the minutes are coming from illegal sites or not.<br />But no one will tell you how it's done. Doing so would jeapordise their effectiveness.<br /><br />Jason.

[Kevin.]

Great New Jon & Tam<br /> <img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" /> <br /><br />aren't we missing someones reply<br />to this thread ?<br /><br />good news for some bad news for others!<br />isn't that right D........g <img border="0" alt="[Finger]" title="" src="graemlins/finger.gif" />

[AgentCash]

Boy Kevin, sounds like you're harboring some repressed feelings about DK... are you upset that they currently pay out more than twice what you do, or are you upset that they didn't have more content that you could steal?

[spazdialer.com]

Well Tam, Your and I will have to talk because I want proof That I had caused the default in your networks. The reason for not paying out the 'spammers' was because of the default, their payment being held back was to cover the fee's that you guys inccurred from this 'spam'. You act like I come here to settle matters? That is NOT true. I tried ICQ you bitched... I tried Email, got no response, this was ALWAYS a last resort. But for Varadox, it was a FIRST resort! How did I find out about Varadox going "under"?? Well, it was NOT from you guys!! I did not receive any emails or anything of that nature. I had to hear it from one of my webmasters, then come HERE to read about it! You guys make everything public instead of keeping it quiet and proffesional. You stopped payment on the 3 spammers which I had on my account, those of which im NOT getting paid for. That is NO REASON why not to pay for all other minutes LEGALLY aquired. YOU KNOW FOR A FACT TAM that I had gotten rid of ALOT of spammers. But explain to me HOW THE HELL I can control what other people do? I cannot be in control of them. You told me someone spammed, What did I do? I told them they were termed simple as that. So I dont know how you can bring this up. If you belive that I am to be held liable for all that which you say, You will have to contact me personally. You know my email address. I want PROOF that I CAUSED IT! If you cannot provide this, then you will pay out the minutes that were rightfully earned. If you have a problem with that, then you will have to be in contact with MY LAWYER! Plain and simple! I did not want to go to these measures. But what choice do I have, when you tell me that all minutes earned rightfully are not to be paid? Thats a load of crap. By the way, since you had this big plan to 'make me look like an ass' by coming here to bash me. Remember who begged me to come here and post that I was paid! I did that thinking we were on the right foot. Guess not. So Tam or Don (who I've never talked to) Please give me a phone call, or email me with the proof that I need. If not then It just shows how 'professional' you are.<br /><br />Jon.... Please keep out, this isnt for you. You know nothing about whats going on here.

[Tam]

Q.Well Tam, Your and I will have to talk because I want proof That I had caused the default in your networks. <br /><br />A. You will get all the proof we have and I can assure you that it will be more than enough for you to see that this account was in terrible trouble from the start. I opened your account and within 24 hours of this, started getting spam complaints in my email. And it was never said YOU caused the entire default in our system, where did I say this?<br /><br />Q.You act like I come here to settle matters? That is NOT true. I tried ICQ you bitched... I tried Email, got no response, this was ALWAYS a last resort. <br /><br />A. You did try and icq me, yes, but EVERY icq conversation from you from the very start of your account being opened was combative and arrogant on your behalf, always making demands. NEVER once did you even attempt to ASK anything, only demanded!! VERY professional. Jon works with Varadox and I had him helping you because we understood you were new to reselling, so Varaox and it's employees, including myself, did EVERYTHING we could do to help and guide you. Even showed you ways of advertising so as not to ONLY get spammers.<br /><br />Q.But for Varadox, it was a FIRST resort! How did I find out about Varadox going "under"?? <br /><br />A. We had a reason for this, when we sent that email out, some of them bounced, in fact ALOT of them bounced, and in an effort to make sure that this reached EVERYONE, we posted it on all the public forums where each and every client we have would be able to know what was going on. We have prided ourselves on always being honest with people in everything we do, and since so many emails were either not on our list, bounced, whatever....... we posted it here, as well as a few other boards. If we have your email and it was not on the list of emails we used to send that, and didn't bounce then THIS I will apologize for, but we made every effort to make sure each and every person using our Service was notified, by whatever means possible.<br /><br />Q.You guys make everything public instead of keeping it quiet and proffesional. <br /><br />A. WE make everything public?<br /><a href="http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=013330" target="_blank">http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=013330</a><br /><a href="http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=013443" target="_blank">http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=013443</a><br /><br />No sweetie, this was you, I have not posted on this here board in quite awhile and neither has Jon, so no we haven't made anything public since the Announcement we made.<br /><br />Q.You stopped payment on the 3 spammers which I had on my account, those of which im NOT getting paid.<br /><br />A. In fact you are dead wrong on this here point as well......... the first TWO payouts, we did indeed pay YOU for those spammer complaints, we did this to show you that we ARE fair and we DO understand that sometimes these things happen, but didn't I ALSO tell you that we were not going to be doing that anymore and that you needed to gain some control of your account? And yes I have proof of this as well. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br /><br />Q.That is NO REASON why not to pay for all other minutes LEGALLY aquired. <br /><br />A.You WERE paid for ALL HONEST MINUTES!!! And you will be provided proof of this!!<br /><br />Q.You told me someone spammed, What did I do? I told them they were termed simple as that. So I dont know how you can bring this up. <br /><br />A. Yes you did terminate them, but for some reason, EVERY dialer you sent out was spamming within a matter of hours after the account was setup, and I brought this to your attention ASAP, EVERYTIME, did I not? This is a mute point because we already covered this one.<br /><br />Q.If you cannot provide this, then you will pay out the minutes that were rightfully earned. If you have a problem with that, then you will have to be in contact with MY LAWYER! <br /><br />A.This is fine, send me his name and number and I will see that Don gets it and gives it to our lawyers and he can then call yours. We DID pay you all HONEST minutes and have more than enough proof on this. So get in touch with me and get me that number and we will go from there on this one, it's cool.<br /><br />Q.By the way, since you had this big plan to 'make me look like an ass' by coming here to bash me. <br /><br />A.No in fact, we did not have this intention at all, but you have done enough flaming of Varadox and we have full rights to defend ourselves and answer to YOUR public bashings, so please remember this, YOU brought this here, not me and not Varadox, we have paid plenty of people out and even the ones we haven't gotten to yet, with the exception of a very few, have made no trouble or had any fits. <br /><br />Q.Remember who begged me to come here and post that I was paid! <br /><br />A.I don't ever BEG, I simply dropped you an email that said your money had been wired and when you get this, I would like a public apology since you have made everything so "public", a QUESTION is not begging, it would do you good to figure this one out for future reference.<br /><br />In closing, we stated from the start that the decisions that we made would NOT be popular ones and that each and EVERY HONEST minute would be paid out and we have done this. We also have stated that we understand the frustration and paranoia that each and every one of you have had over this, for this reason ALONE, we have tried very hard to make very clear to keep you up to date and as "in the know" as we possibly can. We have not lied, we have not cheated anyone. What you have to understand is that we have ALOT of accounts to go thru and audit and as they are done, we then payout each and every cent for each and every honest minute made in our system, no it isn't going to set well with some who didn't get what THEY thought they had coming,BUT, and I think anyone will understand this, we cannot pay you what we didn't make ourselves. We knew going in that we were not going to make ALL people happy, this is a given, but we also said from the very START of Varadox, that we WOULD run an HONEST company and we WOULD NOT tolerate cheating on ANY level, and we have stuck to this thru everything.<br /><br />It was never my intention to make this with you public, but when YOU make it public, you have to know that the recipient of your public bashing is going to be responded to in the same manner in which you put it in. Please keep this in mind for future endeavors you might venture into. And just so you know, Jon knows EVERYTHING about this because he is an EMPLOYEE of Varadox. He and I left this board for many reasons, we in fact have been extremely busy trying to deal with all of this, we did not disappear and didn't abandon ANYONE, we simply have had ALOT of work to do.<br /><br />Thanks,<br />Tam

[Kevin.]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by AgentCash:<br /><strong>Boy Kevin, sounds like you're harboring some repressed feelings about DK... are you upset that they currently pay out more than twice what you do, or are you upset that they didn't have more content that you could steal?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Agent !<br />actually i do not have a problem with dialerking!<br />competition is healthy <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /><br />can u tell me how or where they pay out more then us? i think it's only 2/3 countries or so!<br /><br />twice as much ? USA true but only for another 5 days !<br /><br />What i do not like is that every topic about dialers is seen as an invitation for them to<br />spam their product !<br />It's getting a little out of hand.<br />Ohh and before i forget please post url's<br />to the content u claim i stole, i am more then<br />happy to review it and delete it, but i doubt<br />you will find any !<br /><br />regards<br /><br />Kevin <img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" />

[Tam]

Let me just add, Varadox is NOT going under, despite what is happening and what has been said, we are NOT going anywhere. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /><br />Tam

[spazdialer.com]

Tam- Not ALL my accounts were spammers.. You know there was alot, YES, BUT that dont mean they were ALL spammers. You gave me alot in the begining, I DEALT WITH THEM! They were GONE! Yes you did pay me for that ONE spammer, which was VERY Nice but not expected. When I asked you If I was still paid, THAT WAS A QUESTION! Not a demand! You recently gave me 3 accounts that were spamming.. I have more then 3 accounts working for me. Therefore a VERY LITTLE portion of my accounts are spammers. You have My email and home address to send the proof to. You say that "No sweetie, this was you, I have not posted on this here board in quite awhile and neither has Jon, so no we haven't made anything public since the Announcement we made." About me posting everything to be public?? I think not, please do look at those 2 post which you put up.. They seem to look like QUESTIONS to me!! You know, the ones you wouldnt answer. You tell me that Tuesday I would get an "update" so I would know whats going on... I got nothing.. Just you telling ME that I said I didnt want to deal with you? Which I never said. YOU said that YOU didnt wanna deal with ME! All Im posting now for is to respond to you. I have nothing more to say, I've said all I have to say. Just send me the proof, and I will reveiew it. If it shows that my legal minutes somehow did something wrong to not get paid, then fine... If not, then all my legal minutes are to be paid. Thats all! It would be much more easier to talk to you through email, but you like to talk here. So if you would like to be proffesional about it. Please do so and e-mail me. <br />Thats ALL I have to say about this post. <br />Thank you varadox for the time I spent with you's.. Rough, but it was a great learning experience.

[Tam]

Paint the picture however you want to pain it, it still looks the same when it is finished. I never do anything without detailed proof and you will get that in your email. All honest minutes were paid and I am not saying this to you again.<br /><br />Later,<br />Tam

[PeepNTom]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Joshua:<br /><strong>That's it, rub it in my face that I'm little and you're big. I see how it is. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> <br /></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I apologize, being a big jerk and mixing with a<br />little crown & coke is not recommended...was just<br />giving ya a hard time <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />