CJ2 is the new CJ.... R.I.P CJ1

[richard]

NickD just signed up freepicturesgallery.com as a CJ2 site.

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R.I.P CJ1, long live CJ2

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[Ron]

I knew the day would come http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[NickD]

Yep and my friend Mat, Anthony and Mark cleaned up their old cj too...old cj is over...and we will make sure it never goes back to dirty cj..please help us all keep this as it is right now. The cj2 rules seem to please everyone so lets just stick to them and make some good money http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
happy trading

[xApster]

Also pornography4all.com is cj2 now as well... only 1 huge cj site left.

[Drake]

Can someone explain the difference between a cj1 site and cj2? To me it all seems the same?

[Ron]

the same??? all i have to say is surf the sites on the CJ2 site list and surf some normal CJ sites.. That's ALL you have to do to see the HUGE MASSIVE GIGANTIC difference between the two.

There difference lies in the way we treat the surfer.

Ryan

[Rich]

>>There difference lies in the way we treat the surfer.

Yes, we're still fucking them, it's just that were kissing em first... Life is grand http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif..

[harvey]

;-);-);-);-);-);-);-)
Rich you´re killing me

[CowboySurfers.com]

The death of old CJ's, my friends, no way!

As some very large CJ sites have recently converted to CJ2 - some have proclaimed
the coming of the end for CJ. It just ain't so! There are 100's of thousands neigh millions of hits in good old CJ sites.

more ..
http://www.buildinganempire.com/cj2.html

[richard]

is that a million raw, or a million unique colin?

[diesel]

RAW http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

As soon as dialers will die..old CJ won't make money.

Feel much better working with cj2 http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/cool.gif

[The New Andy]

hmm
well there's another question
what's the difference beetwen CJ2 site and TGP ??

[CowboySurfers.com]

Richard,

Raw,

Everyone knows all CJ traffic is just 82 webmasters clicking around looking for more sites to trade with. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[diesel]

cj2-> no content/all trades
most TGP-> some % of content/some % of trades

[Dan S]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by diesel:
cj2-&gt; no content/all trades
most TGP-&gt; some % of content/some % of trades </font>

Wrong http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Most CJ2 sites have alot of content.
The difference between CJ2 and TGP is:

1. CJ2 dont have to do daily updates (it helps prod quite a bit to update weekly though)

2. CJ2 is not after the bookmark (means it doesnt give a fuckload of daily content)

3. With a TGP you are kinda limited of what you promote and how (e.g. exit sponsor)

I guess there are more things, but for me these 3 are the top reasons.

Dan

2.

[diesel]

Dan S more proffi http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[CowboySurfers.com]

Dan (or anyone):

Would you say that the CJ2 sites with content perform better than the CJ2 sites with no content?

[teepii]

I have noticed that CJ2 site has better productivity, but I guess sign ups will go down, because surfers get content from your site. Am I right, what´s your opinion?

[Dan S]

Hmm, I think yes. Lets see it like that:

you have 100k incoming hits.
with no content you send back 120k to trades

with content you send about 70k to galleries + 125-130k to trades

that gives you 2 advantages:
1. you do not need to submit galleries to others (TGP`s) if you send 70k to your own galleries, which you design like you want them, actually they are SALES PAGES!

2. the average surfer stays longer on your mainpage, searching for good links.
In my eyes does it increase your chance for a sale from the mainpage substentially if the surfer stays longer.

Does it make sense?

Dan

[teepii]

But isn´t one of the main reasons why CJ´s make money, that after surfing CJ-sites with no content surfers think there is no free porn and they have to sign up for pay site. And I think when they found the content sign ups might go down, but I don´t know if it´s true. Of course if you use exit sponsors and blind link sponsors, it makes more money, but that will result in long term that sponsors have to lower their payments. And I think that surfers you send to your trades don´t click there so many links, because they know it´s blind. That´s just what I think, I may be wrong.

[richard]

Ha Ha Colin.

I'm sure you of all people know that CJ2 is really the old CJ1 before all the bullshit took over.

I'm with Dan on the content thing. Say you have a listing of galleries, as your links. If the surfer clicks on a a gallery, expecting to see a gallery, but instead gets popped up to a different site, they are losing trust in your site.

If they click once, get a gallery, they are much more likely to click a second+ time.

This raises a couple of issues.

We have a surfer who has found a gallery, he clicks again, and by chance, gets sent to a trade... depending on the surfer, are they more or less likely to close the trade and come back to your site and search for the galleries?

If they are more likely, then you have a problem on other trade partner sites with poor productivity of your surfers.

But then, you are comparing this to the surfer that is clicking all blind links - so i feel that the effect is not going to be a large one.

Espicially, is you consider that this surfer may well click MORE on the trade's site, because they have not got a mass of console windows, they have another site like yours, a site where they have already found content...
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Dan's reasons are so true, CJ2 is a great site model, one of the best.

Teepii, will signups go down?

No.

How many signups were you getting from your standard CJ1 site with 3 enter pops and 2 chained exit pops?

Compare that to a clean site which has a little content, i am sure that the clean site will make more money.

My advice about content on CJ2 sites, is do not over indulge in it.. you'll end up as a tgp http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/tongue.gif

Play the game, use your head, (for example - why have 100 galleries all p=80, why not have the first 5 galleries p=100, then the rest p=60...? etc).

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Richard.

[richard]

teepii, you are right about the general concept of cj.

We still jerk the surfer off with blind links and promises of free porn.

But, i do think that surfers have evolved from 4 years ago, ie there is a great proportion of more intelligent surfers than there was then.

A surfer comes to a site, sees there is no content ("first click is a blind link syndrome" http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/tongue.gif) and leaves the site.

A surfer come to a site, clicks a link, gets a gallery.. BAM, we have him in the circle looking for more... he will find alot less than on a tgp, so in my opinion that would indicate potentially more signups from frustrated surfers.

[sairanx]

wouldn't it be cool if a scrip always gave two or three free galleries and after those only trades? In that case the surfer will always find some content on all sites so he'll probably keeps on clicking links becouse he knows that he'll get his porn.

If the free content is a bit tame he'll get hornier and hornier and evetually join a sponsor for the real hardcore.

jannes

[Dan S]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by teepii:
And I think that surfers you send to your trades don´t click there so many links, because they know it´s blind. That´s just what I think, I may be wrong. </font>

You are partially right...
I think alot of surfers close the site as soon as they notice that the link was blind.

But those surfers that get attracted by your site, and start checking out links, and find a gallery at first click....they keep clicking like crazy. These surfers give you the advantage over cj2 sites without content.

1 surfer --&gt; click 1 to gallery
---&gt; click 2 trade
---&gt; click 3 gallery
---&gt; click 4 trade
---&gt; click 5 trade
---&gt; click 6 trade
---&gt; click 7 gallery
---&gt; click 8 trade

you haver traded that surfer 5 times...
same time you got also 3 other surfer that close your site as soon as they notice they got a blind link

overall you got 4 hits in and 5 out = 125% prod http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
4 hits in
5 hits out
3 hits to (your own money making) galleries

that is about what I read from my ucj stats.
and thats how I play the cj2 game.

give them a big chance to hit a gallery or 2 on top of the page, draw them down the page and trade them http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif


I am off drinking some germans beer now http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Dan

[Dan S]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by sairanx:
wouldn't it be cool if a scrip always gave two or three free galleries and after those only trades? In that case the surfer will always find some content on all sites so he'll probably keeps on clicking links becouse he knows that he'll get his porn.

If the free content is a bit tame he'll get hornier and hornier and evetually join a sponsor for the real hardcore.

jannes</font>


This is a great idea!
I did talk about that to Tim a few month ago, when the CJ2 thing started off. He agreed, I think he will try to get that feature in UCJ5. That would rock BIIIIG time. Actually I can`t think of anything else that would add more value to a trade script http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Really off now !

Dan

[CowboySurfers.com]

That IS a great idea! I'm going to go add it to my script right now! I'll let ya know if things get better or worse http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[Ron]

hehe, anyone remember when the topic of the day was how CJ2 wouldn't work?

The day will come when a CJ2 is #1 on SexTracker... (if ST is still around http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif)

I'll bet you 1,000 blind surfers it'll happen, one day! http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[CowboySurfers.com]

Well -- i can't say my experiment was completely rigorous .. but I tried this idea for a little while ..

I tried both kick-ass galleries and shitty ones. And I tried with variations of either the first click being a gallery, or the first AND second ..

Wasn't very impressed with what I saw .. however .. like I said, I wasn't very thorough and the experiment wasn't rigorous.

Out/In Ratios overall dropped pretty quickly in all variations. My CJ2 does NOT have lot of traffic to start with ..and other variations might work.

Just reporting initial impressions.

[teepii]

Richard:
First, OF COURSE, CJ2 creates more signups, I didn´t say that normal CJ is better. You have point on what you say! I´m not against content, I use content on my site!
But you should have much links to trades and only little content, and I think like pic of the day would be also great, cos when they see one pic they will propably click others, but there is possibility that when surfers gets whole gallery he don´t want to see more, he could have done his you know thing!! What I think galleries should not have much pics, no over 10!

PS. The free galleries with script is great idea!!