"moral" pornographer

[aprilvirgo]

I was just going over some of my posts as a newbie to this board...concerned I may be giving the wrong impression. My whole point of joining adult bbs was to network, my hard line on what I believe is "appropriate" porn may take away from the fact that I KNOW I'm a pornographer...somebody is always going to hate what I do and would find my sites offending whether I have borderline cp or beastiality, etc. I don't think my way is the right way, especially when it comes to money http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif, I know it's not the way to make a lot of money. Just wished some adult webmaster didn't always prove the would-be-censors right by jumping for the money without letting human decency prevail. We have a great job! Who else works at home, gets to look at porn all day (yes, I am a female http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif AND makes money! I just don't believe that you can exploit people/animals/whathaveyou and get ahead in the long run....you do bad, you get bad. And, what if the people who are making more money than us by dropping their level of
humanity fuck us in the end by bringing more attention to internet porn...if inter-racial sex is considered obscene, we are all in trouble. I am looking to network, with honest adult webmasters who take their business seriously and are in it for the long run, not those in it for now and willing to do whatever.

Rant over.
Please no flames, didn't mean to piss anyone off...just an opinion (unsolicited I know)

[aprilvirgo]

By bringing more attention to internet porn I, of course, meant the WRONG kind of attention http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[CowboySurfers.com]

*NOT A FLAME*

AV - You're not giving the wrong impression at all. Ands you'll make plenty of money without using those links we were disussing in other forums.

BTW - I *NEVER* look at porn .. kind of uninteresting to me .. I have a wonderful girlfriend that fulfills every need/wish/fantasy that i ever have. I look at code all day .. and THAT excites me.

Exploitation, I believe, is a very tricky philosophical concept. I had a friend in college and she believed that ALL pornography exploited women. Many other people have this same belief. I assume that you don't? Why?

A girl is asked to piss on herself for $200 while she's fucked up on coke and makes the decision to do so. Is THAT exploitation? What if she's never touched a drug in her life and is clean? What if she smoked a joint to relax first. What is she changes her mind - then is talked back into it. How does this compare to a girl about to bungee-jump, chickens out, and then is talked into it ne her friends. Do you then feel differently? What if she is asked to and feels endangered by the situation? Different reaction?

Many 16 year old girls have consensual sex with their 18 year old boyfriends. I'ts pretty normal. Do we feel different when he's 25. How about 30? 45? Her teacher? A family member. Her dad? I know a girl that MARRIED her step-dad when she was 18 and was seeping with him when she was 17?

I ask that EVERYONE think about what they feel about these things amd then again, your answers mean .. and how someone else's answers might different.

While some animals are being exploited in bestiality acts, some, I would guess enjoy it.

And clearly, some women ENJOY rape fantasies.
Right now, my girlfriend is reading a book where a man is kidnapped by three women and raped, in more and more degrading ways as time goes on. In the book - he gets aroused and enjoys it. What do you think of THAT?

IT IS CERTAIN .. that there are no guiding moral principles we can all agree on .. we are are of different religions, philosophies, families, countries, states, times, regimes, and so forth.

Things that you thing are degrading today, you will think differently of tomorrow amd vice versa.

Laws, well, that is another thing. For we may pay a heavy toll by not following our local laws - BUT some may EVEN be willing to price on that.

I myself, have my own personal set of ethics - that change as I get older - sometimes one way, soemtimes the next. I am fine with the word lolita - doesn't bother me at all. Though I don't use the word on my sites, people I link to do. I would remove a link to a site that had the words "Click here to see naked 12 year old girl pics." I' not sure why .. the WORDS, if the pics are never found, do NOT bother on a deep moral issue, I presume they bother a lot of people I do business with, and don't use them or link to them becuase of THAT. If i see a PICTURE of a 12 year old girl, well I would NOT link to that site ..and would remove the link immediately.
But these varying degrees of ethical feelings reside in all of us in MANY DIFFERENT ways.

In ethics, well, there is not a single rule every one of us agrees on. In each of our local laws, they have been decided for us, and even then there are some vagaries - but most if us understand if we are clearly violating a law or not.

I respect your opinion as much as anyone else's. I will never flame you for your beliefs and i hope no one else does either.

From what I've just written, you can tell that I don't believe in appropriate porn vs. non-appropriate. I don't believe in a god, so that never dictates my actions in anyway. I veliev in society and getting along with people ..and I try myself not to infringe upon someone else's belief system - they tend to all be different than mine. And LAW .. well, I despise most laws - however I fear punishment. So I follow laws as best as i can .. except I use some recreational drugs and drive too fast sometimes.

I'd like to believe I could build a completely consistent set of mathematical propositions .. that everyone agreed upon. But Kurt Godel has already proven that would be fallacious.

Whatever your crusade .. good look to you .. and watch out with that karma thing .. i wouldn't wanna see anyone judge you .. which I don't think you're doing (yet).

[lynch1000s]

I think that's true. If you think about it, where did pornography all start. It didn't start with women taking off all their clothes and having pictures takin of themselves (well okay, it did). But where I believe it really started was when women wore bikinis and posed for pictures. Playboy, when it was introduced, was considered by many as being horribly graphic, and that it should be outlawed. But of course: Playboy turns into hustler, while hustler turns into bondage, while bondage turns into beastiality. We can't really tell where it'll end. I'm sure that most of us think that it can't get much worse than beastiality, but I'm sure they said the same when hustler came out. I said this in another topic as long as it's legal and making money, people are going to sell it. There are enough people out there that will throw away their moral ethics and just say screw it, I want money. The truth of the matter their are more people like that then you'd think. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

[richard]

Pornography has been around for 1000s of years in some form or another.

Nice post Colin, got me thinking about a few things.

[lynch1000s]

oh well, I was just thinking of photography when I said that. But it slipped my mind that people have been drawing nude women since the beginning of man kind.

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Pornography has been around for 1000s of years in some form or another. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Nice post Colin, got me thinking about a few things.

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[magnatique]

nice one colin http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

"recreational drug".... I bet you reffer to a good aspirin to relax.......... riiiiiight? http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.magnatik-design.com/cool.gif

[aprilvirgo]

Thanks, all, for the thoughtful exchange and as before, cowboy, you and I think very similar on the issues you just seem to articulate it better than I. My point was exactly as you stated. I am no better mainly because a lot of people think what I do is just as bad as what I deem inappropriate. Which was my reason for posting, didn't want to come off as hypocritical. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[CowboySurfers.com]

Ummmm .. Tylenol PM's! http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[magnatique]

yeah, cowboy looks like an articulated mother fucker http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

at least, that's what www.buildinganempire.com (http://www.buildinganempire.com) shows.... but he might just of had someone write it for him... you know, for the Networking... :P

heeh
cowboy, get a hold of me on icq if you can one of these days... 421704

[CowboySurfers.com]

Mag,

I've had ICQ off for about 2 months.

But I plan on turning back on later this week I think

[JewDoggyDogg]

aprilvirgo, I greatly appreciate your point of you.

I hate when ppl point their plastic finger in my face and tell me that i shoudnd't do soemthing just because it's "immoral." It really pisses me off when ppl try to impose their moralities on other ppl. Also, It pises me off when people cite morality as a reason not to do something wihtout giving any explanation. Morality is often used as a decision making crutch, and that's why I try to stay away from it in making my decisions. Furthermore I question a lot of curlturally and socially accepted morals as they can be very repressive.

\I too am secular, so I dont' have to worry about burning in hell if i do something "wrong."

I'm tired of witchunts, crusades, holocausts, dictatorships and moral majorities.

I also agree that some beastiality is consentual and the animal has every opportunity to run away. A lot of ppl are offended by that tho, but that's hardly a valid reason to make something illegal.

[lynch1000s]

All the animal has to do is run away-lol!!! http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Well before you know it, there will be sites with wild hot teens screwing their dead grandparents, then wild hot teens screwing their dead dogs. By then, no one will give a damn about beastiality. I just think that this is only half as bad as it will get http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/confused.gif

[Scar]

Oh, I dont think so.
There are 2 edges I see.

I beleive the first edge of all of it is physical possibility.

In other words , if she cant fuck an elephant - she wont and You wont sell it.
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(all the elephant got to do is run away).

Another edge is that people do always have common sense which in a way or another always in the end is the law You got (well, in decent part of the world laws at least should have any connection with common sense). In other words the situation when child porn can be allowed and legal is very unlikely to happen.
Unlike zoo for example.
People simply wont fuck their own children daily You know.

The third edge is that there is just certain number of available COMMON erotic fantasies.
People who run CP, zoo , rape ,scat and stuff did not invent it either.
All those things always existed and will always exist. I once very long time ago opened an archaic book in Russian dated befor Revolution. The book was about erotic, You know stuff like "Happy marriage ways".
Was fun that I found all this fantasies and more there...
And really You cant imagine a new one because there are simply no such fantasie as "small lolitas fuck dead dog". You can invent it as many times as You like but it wont sell because people DONT give a fuck about it.

My point.
As always sorry for languadge. I beleive it's the meaning what matters.

[Scar]

sorry, 3 edges I meant...
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(if I had 30 minutes more I guess I could make it 54 edges easily)...
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[ragnar]

well this talk is to difficult for me sorry

[sairanx]

about rules:

No situation is like an other. Of course there are dogs and horses which like to be sexually stimulated by women or men. Of coarse there are women (and men) fantasying of being raped by either men or women or both. I can't believe that there aren't any girls aged 13 who like to be fucked by an older guy and probably a lot of 16 year old girls and guys will take their clothes of for a sufficient amount of money.

But, and i mean BUT how can we be sure that the people or animals on a picture are actually enjoying the situation they are photographed in?

How many 16 year old girls and boys do not regret being photographed nude and posted on the internet when they were young when they grow up and have their own children?

The rules are to protect those who can be forced into doing things they don't want to do and to protect those who don't have enough experience in life to make the right decisions.

Maybe this rules do restrain some people but they can do wathever they want to do without a camera near by.

I AM sure that these rules DO protect a lot of innocent lifes from being exploited and abused.

Jannes

[sairanx]

eh.....

sorry for my english, it's not my native language....

[magnatique]

ok colin, just hit me up when you can http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
I let you add me, you were in mine already, but off as you said http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif