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Sticks
05-21-2001, 09:42 PM
My little free site with a listing of my galleries, http://a1-teenpussy.com/tgp/index.shtml , is starting to grow, running my own trade script( no it's not for sale or distribution). To spread my traffic around I have signed up to some trade sites. Most promise 120-140%. I'm happy if I get 85-90% back, as long as it is fresh traffic and productive. However I am surprised how many trade sites delete trades without warning, even though my site complies with their rules and I send at least the minimum amount traffic required.

Of course that sucks the traffic out of my site because I am forcing traffic to get the trade going. I could understand it if my site sucked or I sent little or no traffic. However I can send a couple of hundred hits to a trade, my top trade gets 400-700. Not much I suppose, but not bad for a seed that started at 100 hits.

I've contacted some of these guys, who said to sign up again, no-one will pay back any traffic that has been sent but not tracked because the account was closed. One jocker, who runs http://sex-porn-boobs.com (uses cjpro), said he lost my account because he didn't upload his index page. Yeah... right.... Don't you love idiots LOL I asked him to pay back the traffic and his response "hehe. well sometimes when you trade you get more then what you send or less. it just happens. no one owes anyone hits". H'mm, I know no script can pay out 1.4:1 ( his stated ratio) to all trades, unless it is a console hell, but to not even return 1:1 because the trades cut http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

Why I am I posting this? These guys are not breaking any accepted "CJ" or Traffic trade rules, however in any other arena of life, these practices are deceptive, misleading and would be actionable. What do you guys think?

Doctor Dre
05-21-2001, 09:53 PM
Contact the owner first ... write him about youre a small site and all. he will let your trade there . I delete the small 100 hits trade too . thats just making my admin pages loading slow and take me time ... and this traffic is nothing for me ... so just write them . The one who asked I'm letting them there .

Doctor Dre
05-21-2001, 09:55 PM
Today I forced 4k by accident to lolitanu ... I asked him to give some hits back . But I don't complain if he don't ... thats my problem . if you send traffic to a site that don't return, its always your problem ... http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Doctor Dre
05-21-2001, 09:57 PM
Imagine all the time I would waste contacting the 30 new small trades showing up everyday on my sites ... 3-4 hours a day . I like to help newbees but I preffer work on my sites this time . making much more money .

Sticks
05-21-2001, 10:02 PM
I don't have a problem with a site that deletes trades 100 hits or less a day - As long as it is stated in the rules. Many of the larger trade sites explicitly state a minimum trade. Just as many don't and you don't find out till you get little or no traffic back.

How about accidently sending me 4000 hits - I will send it back if it is productive http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Doctor Dre
05-21-2001, 10:05 PM
If you want to setup a trade with me, just signup on
www.schoolporn.net/cgi-bin/ucj/webmaster.cgi (http://www.schoolporn.net/cgi-bin/ucj/webmaster.cgi) ... force some . I won't delete it http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Sticks
05-21-2001, 10:12 PM
That's what I want, you explicitly state in your rules a minimum trade. Thanks for the offer. I will sign up, should be able to do 300 no probs. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

DemonWolfe
05-21-2001, 10:15 PM
I have over 150 trades on DemonWolfe, and I don't delete the small trades.

Once a week or so, I delete sites who show 0 hits in 24hours.

If you would like to trade, please go here:
http://demonwolfe.com/site/hits.html

I know my trading page says I delete pages with fewer than 50 hits day, but I don't really. I just want everyone to send 50 hits or more per day. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

What really pisses me off is the trades that signup with me, and eveyrthing looks fine, and then 2-3 days later they add 4 exit windows.

nic
05-21-2001, 11:09 PM
Demonwolfe, please hit me up on icq. #3605392

Thanks,
Nic

Sticks
05-22-2001, 04:27 AM
Thanks DrDre,
I'm already #61 on your toplist http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Wolfie, Thanks. I'll have a good look at your site.

Dan S
05-22-2001, 05:57 AM
I move my new trades to the active trades when they manage to send the minimum 200 hits.
At that time I also set a minimum of 10 per hour.

If the trade drops down alot, and my minimum doesnt help to maintain a 200 level, I delete the minimum.

Most of these trades will go down to exactly 0 than. Than they get deleted.

Killing active trades and let the other site still sending is plain cheating.

Groovy
05-22-2001, 02:25 PM
you've got sum hard rulez Dan http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

but i think it's also needed to if you really want to stay big, and it's all fair how you're doing this :0)

Dan S
05-22-2001, 04:25 PM
Well, if I wouldnt do it like that, I would wake up after 2 weeks and have an admin full of trades like

45 in
235 out

thats not what the game is about, right?
If a trade cant keep up with 200 minimums or doesnt care, I stop supporting it with minimums.

Next day I go and look again, most likely the trades is at 0 in 0 out. Than it gets deleted.

I dont think thats tough rules, but trades like that can suck you dry http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Dan