UCJ Question for the PROS

[Dan S]

Did anyone find the BEST way/pattern how to setup the outgoing list (sites in outgoing + settings) for different situations like # of trades, traffic etc.

I know that Tim posted suggestions in the docs, but is there anyone that "perfected" them?

Dan

[playa]

you know i have been wondering about that same question.....most people i talk to said they just left it the same default..

[xApster]

Same here it is really anoying me ... when u got ratio trades, min trades and then the normal trades the outgoing list can get very diluted http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[playa]

what i don't understand is how come if your daily averages stay the same even when some of your big trades go down...

but then when you get that big trade back up your daily average still stays the same,,,,

what am i doing wrong?

[xApster]

hah that happens to me as well.. its strange.. trades slow down and start up all the time .. if only all the trades would stay full tilt all teh time the world would be a better place http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Rich]

I've experimented quite a bit with those things, even down to reducing my trades to 20 sites and makinging my outgoing list 20 sites and sending 5% traffic to all, DISMAL results, tried it again with ten sites getting 10%, and then altering it down the line to different uneven percentages. DISMAL results...

Changed it back to Tim's recommended and it works a hell of a lot better..

If there is a strategy, I'd like to know it too, because so far, Tim's suggestion works best for me..

Rich

[Mr Exotic]

right now I have my outgoing list at

400
280
220
200
150
120


but I only have 20 trades at the moment, but I find having the outgoing list reduced to 6 really helps it keep from getting diluted, plus I am able to easily fulfill the hourly min.

[Hi Octane]

20
20
20
15
15
2
2
2
2
2

Basically like sending out to just 5 sites every 2 mins. I figured the last five are pointless, they can be 2 or 1% who cares - I wanted to send out more hits from my outgoing list. The outgoing is updated every two mins, so no good trade goes neglected for long, if at all. When we put this on all 4 TGPs we have, they really kicked up the hits, and we wound up overloading the server. Just went online with a new server, so we'll see if it can grow the sites/trades effectivly once again. Having a healthy (not overloaded with forced hits) outgoing list that gets banged by most of your surfers really seems to be a powerful tool. Only perm links I used (besides the random) were the top 30 referrers at the bottom of the site.

And if any of you guys have noticed your trades with my sites have dropped off, please force a few hits for a short time, and they'll kick it back into gear. I am forcing out hits myself, but with so many to work on, I can't do it all at once. Thanks.

[playa]

wow i am gonna try that out........if anyone else tried please post your results

[quickxxx]

it worked great for me too!

[N.A]

Hi Octane,
how many active trades do you have?
don't think it will work better than the standard settings if you have a lot.
i might try it on a smaller site

[Due]

I increased the outgoing list to 13 instead of 10 and it seems to be working very well as well.
My traffic seems to be aprox 1K higher this hour than yesterday.
Also have 83 active trades so I hope it will make my smaller trades stronger http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[breest]

Are permanent link groups any good for anything. I cant seem to figure out what the hell they are for! =)

-Breest
9195661

[Due]

breest>
Permanent link groups is good if you wish to trade more targetted traffic with IE a group of Teen site or Mature sites.
Then you can put them into a group and then give them some group links on your site

[Hi Octane]

well, on hioctane.com that outgoing settings were working great with 72 active trades. Right now, I have about 25-30 trades that need a jump start, but it is really doing good with the live ones, so no complaints. Can't say how it would do if you have extremely large trades, or a HUGE list of active trades.

perm groups are good if you want to target the hits you send to certain trades. It isn't too good to send sufers clicking teen links to a TGP that is mature themed, so I normally put a group link there, just to make sure mature trades get some of that traffic. Hopefully, that helps my sites productivity with those trades. We use it more on erotic-bondage.com, since it is heavy on fetish trades. It is also good to use perm groups jsut so you don't send too many raw hits from the same link spot. If there are 5 trades in the perm group, all set at 20%, then the same surfer will give you 5 unique outs by clicking that same link - in theory at least.

[xApster]

The only problem with your settings are if you have a few ratio trades then usally they hog the top spots and your other trades would die beucase they are only getting 2% of the traffic http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Hi Octane]

well, I would agree with you about the ratio trades - they do hog the top outgoing spots. For this reason, I don't use them. I set trades at either capped or normal. I try not to force hits to any one site, I only do it to start (or re-start) a trade.
Also, the site is set up to send the hits from the outgoing list, not from perm links. It works good with this layout, at least for me. I don't worry about the 5 set at 1-2% because in 2 minutes the outgoing list updates and there are different sites in different spots on the list.
Steven

[Niki]

btw: what's difference between capped and ratio trade?

[N.A]

ratio ignores productivity

[Niki]

so what's difference between capped and normal trade? http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[xApster]

I am pretty sure capped stops at a certain ratio.. just like a normal trade except it wont send anymore hits than the given ratio where as a normal trade will send back more than the given ratio if the trades productvitiy is high.

I think i got it http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Mr Exotic]

Ya, from what I gather if a trade is at normal the ratio you set it at doesnt mean shit since it sends out to what the productivity is, I have tried to use the cap before but it didnt work too good. Quite a while ago when I ran CJ sites I was trading with a non script site that had productivity of over 400%, well I was sending the guy over 360%, so I tried to slow it down since he was a non script site is wasnt really helping me sending so high, so I capped him at 250%, but it still kept on sending 0ver 320%.

[breest]

I usually cap suspected cheaters at a 0.75 and it works great =)

"Cap his ass!"

-Breest

[playa]

for some reason.

setting trades with other UCJ sites
at
1.8 capped

works very good :-)

and glad to say steve's outgoing suggest works very good http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[CowboySurfers.com]

Hey Steve,

Long time no talk .. shoot me an e-mail so
I can write you something. I want to tell you something interesting but not in public forum http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Glad to see you're kicking ass!

Colin
cowboysurfers@yahoo.com