Lolitas*****.com

[Robert]

Hi,
does anybody know something about http://www.lolitas*****.com/main.html
They use Site-key CC Processing and recently have raised payment to $300.
Do they pay???

thanks

URL Edited because of questionable material - Rimmer


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[richard]

do we care?

Its fucking CHILD PORN you fuck.

[Dan S]

Hmmm, the girls look really young.

But are you sure it is CP?

I am not.

[Robert]

But at the bottom of the page is:

"All Models On This Site Are 18+ Years Of Age"

and belive they are even if their models look too young.

[Robert]

But it's really strange I cant get whois information about owner, ...

[richard]

Without blasting sitekey, they process ALOT of CP sites.

Come on, the girls look REALLY young. It is very very borderline, but the fact that they use sitekey to me indicates they are CP.

Your risk dude.

[SnakeX]

They contacted me before 2 months...but its big risk to use them as a sponsor..
these are not 18 years old girls for me...

[Robert]

you're right, richard.
I rather loose $100 then be in a jail.
Thanks for opening my eyes
Robert

[Robert]

SnakeX: they are not 18+ for me from now.

[Ivanhoe]

This is kiddy porn man... That makes me mad.

I have reported this site at: http://www.reportchildporn.com http://www.antichildporn.org http://www.asacp.com

I hope that ends that bastard putting that kind off stuff on the net.

Regards Ivanhoe

[Robert]

I removed all links to them from my sites!
Thanks again to all guys who open my eyes.

[Ivanhoe]

Bullshit opening your eyes. You know CP if you see it. You are just one of those bastards who keep CP profitable.

[WETDOG]

well i had some comments for that site but will leave them out as it just attracts the sick-os out there. i dont see how they can pay 300$ that is not possible.

rimmer should delete these type threads.

Wet

[XM]

O hohoo, mr. Ivanhoe The new moral authority? Why do you accuse somebody just because of his other point of view.
Sorry I dont see any CP in preview area on that site, even if it is called lolita-porn. The girls seem to be barely legal, but you can take any 20 year old 30 kg top model with no tits and make some photos with her and it will look like what do you say is CP.
I thought CP means CHILD PORN and I never seen that, what I see is getting more and more people paranoid.
I dont defend the sickos joining such sites because they are looking for CP, I don't promote any site containing word "lolita" in name,but I am sick of these moralities.
My god people start to tell apart what is MORAL and what is LEGAL.
Robert is not a bastard because You think You have seen CP, let the authorities decide, if that site can prove their models are 18+, than it maybe not moral but legal, if not, than close the site and put the owner in deepest jail and rip his ass!
Very good thread on this topic was recently on Porncityboard: http://bbs.porncity.net/Forum1/HTML/016394.html

Read it first before blaming and flaming http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

XM

[shane]

Well i downloaded the sample video of the girl jurking him off, and she looked about 9 or 10. And as Richard said, if they were a legitimate site, they would use ccbill or ibill. Not sitekey, which is a known CP processer.

[Rimmer]

The front page girl with no tits is by the photographer David Thompsen who sells his work on weblegal. Apart from that the rest of the site looks of a questionable nature. I know I sure as hell wouldn't promote it.

[Dan S]

I agree, there are some questionable thing on the page...
like site key, and just a hotmail email addy.

But you cant just go and shout CP if you do not have proof.
Look at Jenny on Live Teen she definately look not legal with her cute teenie face and that small tits.

But I bet my right hand that she is....

Anyway, I would stay away from that site...
just because of the indicators...

[Due]

Jenny does not look cute. She looks like a slut. That is why she convert so well http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Dan S]

Uhm, well....uhm....wouldnt care http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[magnatique]

you know what they say, as long as they sell http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[candidpublishinginc]

Who the hell is site-key? Are they a US based company? Some bullshit trader on my site was popping up a console with a CP paysite and they used site-key.

I reported the CP paysite, and I emailed site-key threating to turn them to the feds if they continue to process ccs for that site.

[Robert]

XM, thanks for your support.

[Ivanhoe]

I got this mail a minute ago:

Thank you for writing HELMY Enterprises. The web site has been
reported to the 'U.S. Customs Child Pornography Enforcement
Program' and the F.B.I. If we can be of any further assistance
please feel free to contact us.

p.s. Thank you for your support!

Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:56:13 -0500 (EST)
To: report@helmy.com
From: marijnissen@hotmail.com ()
Subject: ASACP.ORG - Child Porn Report

Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
(marijnissen@hotmail.com) on Thursday, November 23, 2000 at 10:56:11
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url: I've already removed this twice in this thread already - Rimmer
suspectemail: N/A

comments: Speaks for itself

submit: Submit Report




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[Shurik]

if it's a CP site, so, I'm a CHINESE PILOT!!!
HAHA
Guys, don't become a paranoic, go look around, there is ALOT of real CP sites. this site have videos with OLD sluts, just like another "teen" site!
it can use site-key, becouse it's russian billing, so, it's fast to got $$ from it!

if U will see real CP sites with it, don't wait & report it! but don't flame about TEEN sites!


my suggestion, don't beat me
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[demoman]

Exactly my thoughts..

[silverboy]

I am only judging by the free tour & pics, but To call lolita-porn child pornography is a bad joke that will only harm our industry.

Ivanhoe, if you are so concerned about CP that you will make stupid calls like this one, just get the hell out of our industry. Go back to selling bibles and cookies. You
SUCK.

Its called 'crying wolf'. Keep doing it
and the real kiddie porn distributors
will just get diluted in a sea of false
claims.

Somebody post Ivanhoes site, let me find something I find offensive, and I'll call
his local police complaining its 'obscene'.
Then we'll see how much this bonehead
appreciates subjective criticism.

[Ivanhoe]

Was your first post here right? http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[demoman]

silverboy, are you sure you're not the
owner of lolitas-porn? Well I'll tell you
this:

LOLITA-PORN IS FULL OF CP PORN! EVEN IF THEY
ARE 18+, THEY MADE THEM LOOK LIKE 13 MAN!
YOU'RE PROBABLY SOME KIND OF PEDOPHILE
YOURSELF MAN! FUCK THIS, I KNOW A LOT OF
WEBMASTERS HAVE KIDDIES THEMSELF, HOW DO
YOU LIKE TO SEE YOUR OWN GIRL POSING AT AGE
OF 13-17? DAMN!

Ivanhoe, great job man! We should report
them all


I know some people guys will think i'm too
rude, calling you a pedophile, but I can't
SIMPLY not imagine why you allow something
like this. Think about your own children
man....

[Ivanhoe]

Hear Hear Demoman. Good post.

[Doctor Dre]

Fucking sick site !

[XM]

Well, this was on my mind - the basic problem most concerned webmasters have is that they probably have daughter/sister/another relative in some age of 15-18 yrs., and they are getting simply mad when imagining somebody can have sex with them - so this way I can understand they are talking about CHILD porn, even if it is not.
I am tired of this topic, what I am sure is If I had daughter in such age I couldn't make this business.
And dont forget guys, in most of the countries it is legal to have sex with women at the age of 15-16, so stop crying about CP and lock your daughters in cellars (of course i am not talking about how old the girl should be to have her sex act published, its basically at 18 ) http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm

So the biggest problem with the porn on Web and so called CP is that You cant legally look at something what you legally CAN DO.
XM

[richard]

exactly XM, nice post.

But, i think it is sick when people portray an 18 year old to look like a 14yr old, and then give the impression that she is 14.

The pervert is jacking off over pictures of what he believes is a 14 year old, even though she is 18 - that is wrong.

[SexClicks]

This site has been reported to me on several occassions, I own www.reportchildporn.com (http://www.reportchildporn.com) , We have been tracking it for quite some time and attempting to make contact with their hosting company, but its pretty hard to do when they are these domains exist without any legal ramifacations in Russia....

[richard]

Jeez, read that PornCity post people, that is some heavy fucking stuff.

[demoman]

Richard, do you really agree with XM when
he says "I am sure is If I had daughter in such age I couldn't make this business".
You can't be serieus?? That's such a BULLSHIT

[richard]

Michael, in the UK it is legal to have sex at 16.

Therefore, it is NOT illegal for a 40 year old man to have sex with a 16 year old girl.

But it IS illegal to view pictures in pornographic poses of that same 16 year old.

I don't understand why this is (anyone?).

If its the law, it is the law, and i am not about to go messing with it.

There is blatent CP, where the "models" are obviously not 18, then there is the stuff that is borderline, i could pick 2 girls i know, one 16 and one 18, and you would have a hard time guessing who is the older of the two.

I drank alchohol before i was 18, it did not make me a bad person, and it did not harm me (mostly http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif)

If you have a 16 year old, who is modeling nude, who looks 18, who is doing so without pressure from anyone else to do so, etc, then i _personally_ would not have a problem with it.

You have what LOOKS like an 18 year old on your screen, and you are wanking over that fantasy of an 18 year old.

What i do not accept, is when you have a young looking 18 year old, who is made to look like a 14 year old. The pervert wanking off is fantasising about a 14 year old, not an 18 year old.

Do you see where i am coming from?

Ironically, the legal one of the two is the more sickening.

The site in question here, i believed to be CP because it had pictures of (perhaps 18 year olds) girls who LOOKED younger than 18, it mentioned CP in its text ("don't promote using the worlds... etc") which obviously is because it LOOKS like CP.

It also uses Site Key, why not use a processor other than one notable for CP sites?

Unless you absolutely KNOW that the models are 18+, then i would stay well away from anything remotely dodgy.

We all know what happens to you when you goto jail on child abuse charges, and its certainly not going to happen to me.

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SexClicks, keep up the work.

Richard.

[XM]

Demoman, I just wanted to say that it must be hard for parent to find a site with girls looking like their adolescent teen child naked and/or having sex.
The harder it must be (I think) to see such sites everyday when working as an adult webmaster.
Thats all, I just think webmaster/parents are a bit more sensitive to this than other webmasters.
XM

[Bean]

It seems that these companies are getting models that appea to look younger and younger. The turth of the matter is that people are buying subscriptions to these types of sites.

A few years ago the "teen" porn was 30 year old women in pigtails... Now it seems people are combing the highschools for girls to turn 18.

A majority of these CP sites are undercovers looking to bust people. Then you have people like Earl Wyatt who will spew CP no matter how many times he gets busted.

[QuietMike]

XM-I don't have any problem with a 13-17 year old having sex. Damn I started when I was 14. The reason that is, is because most guys that age are having sex with girls their same age (or at least close). I consider that fine. What I do have a problem with is a fucking 40 year old guy fucking some 15 year old up the ass. Its fucking sick. Plus they have no right to publisise cp. Do you really think that a 14 year old girl wants to be a pornstar??

Also here in the us we also have something called statatory rape. Like in maryland were I live the age of consent is 16, but when you turn 18 you can only have sex with people 18+. If you are 18 and fuck a 16 year old you could get brought up on rape charges.If you are 17 and fuck a 16 year old, you are in the clear.

[Filipe]

LOL

So if you fuck your girlfriend and she's 16 and you're 17, when you make 18 you have to wait 2 years to fuck her again! http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/smilies/laugh.gif

Sorry, but you have some very stupid laws there in US.

[demoman]

so i can't fuck http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif BTW my name is
Michel not Michael... I will give a normal
reply tomorrow when i read all the post,
without being drunk,

Regards,

Michel

[QuietMike]

Well, that part sounds pretty stupid, but if you stared fucking berfore you are 18 or if there is only a couple of years between you, a judge really won't care. Its mainly to protect youngins from much older men. Like 40 year olds. I am sorry but even if you are 21 and have to date a 16 year old, thats preety pethetic in my eyes. We call the 16-17 year olds jail bait hehe (I am only 19).

[boneyard]

Filipe

texas law...i'm going to skip the exact wording from the penal code,but it basically says if the consenting parties are within 2 years of age and either is under 18 there aint shit you can do to either of them.

the law cant touch them if that condition is met.
2 years and 1 day and it's aggravated sexual assault on a minor.

[mukoh]

Why is everyone raving for so long about a site that uses legal material? Presumabely of course its legal judging by their release info.

THERE ARE 8-10 SITES that i know of that use the same material, they are probably run by the same guys.

If it is illegal it should be closed. If its not, let it make the cash that those guys make.

So what that the girls look like they are younger? If they are 18 it is fine. In my opinion we are not here to sell the surfer the cold hard truth, we are here to sell them the illusion. Just like casinos, strip clubs, sell an ILLUSION. You mean to tell me when you were selling TEEN sites, you didn't know that teen is commonly referred to as younger then 18??? yet all of us who sold teen sites sold the same illusion.

And it sucks that this board turns into roasting some sites which could be legal could be not, YOU DON't KNOW. Ask them for their USC 18 proof.
Lets talk business that makes "cash money" not about some sites out of nowhere.

By the way i know a webmaster who sells that site off SE traffic, he says conversions are at 1:60 average.

[demoman]

If it is illegal it should be closed

fuck it http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

This is my last post about this topic..

Regards,
Michel

[silverboy]

I said it once, and now again. If you have
problems with pornography, either because
the girl looks like 15, or you have a
daughter, or your grandma was a slut and you
never got over it... get the fuck out of
the porn business. Just leave. You will be
fighting with your own morals forever and its
not worth the money. Personally, I love it
when my 30 yrs old girlfriend wears pigtails and looks like 12, its cute! I'm not a pedophile, I would never touch a kid - but not because of how they look, because of their emotional level. Hence, dresssing up an 18 year old with no tits to look like a kid is absolutely fine.

Take violence as an example: In the movies,
people get shot, but they are not REALLY
injured. Get it??? And guess what? Shooting
someone gets you life, whereas molesting a
girl does not. Its called 'selling an illusion'.

I feel bad for you guys selling your souls
for money. I personally love porn, love illusions, and love girls that look young.

[richard]

[quote]..my 30 yrs old girlfriend wears pigtails and looks like 12, its cute! [/b]

So, you are admitting to us, in public, that images of 12 year old girls get you off?

You are a sick fucker.

Yea bullshit you are thinking about the emmotional issues. Over the internet, a picture is a picture. You are saying that you would happily get turned on by 12 year old girls having sex, so long as you "believed" that they were above 18 and could handle it emmotionally.

Please tell us, which sites do you run, i would personally like to know so that i never do business with you.

Richard.

[magnatique]

yeah... I mean, there's a limit to where a girl looks like a kid, or a teen, or a woman....

I understand the concept where old men want to return to their youth, and therefore fantasize about teens/young woman,

therefore could be turned on by a 16-18 Yo looking girl..

but say 14-15 and under, hell, they look like kids, NOTHING SEXUAL, wtf is up with that? I just can't understand that concept...

plus, IMHO, there's too much to loose in their lives just to wack off to an illegal picture...


oh well http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif thank god I don't suffer from such problems hehe... hell, I'd go for my 18 yo friends faster than a bullet if I had choices between them and some kids LOL http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/tongue.gif

[silverboy]

Richard, I'd be more than glad to post my
sites here but I'm afraid I might offend
one of you because some of my models appear
in.. oh my god... schoolgirl uniforms!!!

Wow, I must be locked up and put away.

I guess young looking women are wrong, but
piss is ok???

Most 16 year olds think about sex ALOT. Most
normal people do not engage is drinking piss,
not to mention anal sex.

By your standards guys, all anal sex sights
should be taken down too because the women
'appear' to be in.. omigosh... pain.

And by the way, anal sex is still illegal in
some american states.

Off your high horses, you are pornographers
after all and most people think of us as
absolute dirt no matter how old our models
are. Get over it or get out of it.

[Ivanhoe]

That was your third post here right? http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Robert]

It seems to be one of the biggest discussions
in the last few days http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[QuietMike]

yeah and some sates still outlaw oral sex. Does that mean the people do not do it???? Those are laws that nobody really enforces. Damn, I mean how offten does a cop watch you have sex???

[eRock]

Actually...I'm not goin' against what yer sayin'...just commenting, but I believe there was some big court battle or somethin'-or-other about anal sex in louisiana. The judge is makin' the law stick (from what I remeber) that anal sex in louisiana is illegal! This was just recently...

'Magine that!?

[magnatique]

yeah, but wouldn't a cop watching some people having sex, himself be violating their privacy, hence breaking the law?

[richard]

Stop hiding Silver, stop finding excuses for not revealing who the fuck you are.

Hey, i have nothing wrong with school uniforms, i have nothing wrong with girls in school uniforms, but what i do have strong feelings against, is when you dress up a no tits skinny 18 year old as a 14 year old.

It may be legal, but its fucking sick.

I flicked on TV and saw a Britney concert, she wore a uniform or two, very sexy, but was not trying to look like a 14 year old.

I am not on a high horse, if thinking that guys who get turned on by 12 year olds is sick then maybe i am.

Anyway, we are going around in circles, what sites do you run?

Rich

[eRock]

I'm sure a cop watchin' people havin' sex would be a privacy violation. I was just commentin onthe fact that at least one US state still enfources an old fashioned sex law...

[QuietMike]

hmmmm, wonder how they got caught????? Mabey in a car???? I don't know...

[eRock]

I don't know how they got caught either...I just remeber reading the article not too long ago...

[magnatique]

yeah erock, was just saying it was a funny rule..

they can't have anal sex, but again, they can't get caught =D

[silverboy]

Look guys, I was mostly playing devil's advocate to get you all thinking ... But as my final word on the subject, just browse through AVN, and list a few of the names of so many partnership sites:

BarelyLegal.com
YoungChix.com
TeenBadGirls.com
PetiteGirls.com

In case any of you got the wrong idea, let me rephrase I am VERY against REAL child porn, however to pretend our industry doesn't tease and insinuate that we show underage girls is in my opinion... denial.

My belief is if the model is truly over 18, there is no abuse, hence it is not child porn no matter what she looks like.

[Robert]

This is 60th reply to this topic http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
I'm really tired, because I've read an ICQ conversation between Noodle and Jack (bimbocash) a while ago. It's pretty long, my eyes hurt http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
So I will not write any intelligent reply here.