Candyman

[thrillseekre]

i bellieve that taking advantage of children, or the elderly, or anyone that is at intellectual/social/emotional disadvantage, is wrong.<br /><br />was it unconstitutional, in regards to privacy, that yahoo handed over all their ip logs, usernames, isp info etc to the US government?<br />(aren't these the usual setbacks for Ben Stone???)<br /><br />shouldn't the US government have to have taken the more effortful road to busting these child pornography exchangers, in exchange for preserving the privacy of those in the Candyman bust?<br /><br />20 years ago, it was illegal to shoot a porn movie, yet not illegal to own or view one, in the US. i beleive it's wrong to make child pornography, should it be wrong to distribute or own ANY electronic media, no matter what the moral nature? i realize that these children weren't necessarily stars signing consent forms....but i'm looking at this from the deviants perspecive, those that were busted, for, their moral variance doesn't make them less human in worth.<br /><br />i'd like to hear from all of you

[DK?]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by thrillseekre:<br /><strong>i bellieve that taking advantage of children, or the elderly, or anyone that is at intellectual/social/emotional disadvantage, is wrong.<br /><br />was it unconstitutional, in regards to privacy, that yahoo handed over all their ip logs, usernames, isp info etc to the US government?<br />(aren't these the usual setbacks for Ben Stone???)<br /><br />shouldn't the US government have to have taken the more effortful road to busting these child pornography exchangers, in exchange for preserving the privacy of those in the Candyman bust?<br /><br />20 years ago, it was illegal to shoot a porn movie, yet not illegal to own or view one, in the US. i beleive it's wrong to make child pornography, should it be wrong to distribute or own ANY electronic media, no matter what the moral nature? i realize that these children weren't necessarily stars signing consent forms....but i'm looking at this from the deviants perspecive, those that were busted, for, their moral variance doesn't make them less human in worth.<br /><br />i'd like to hear from all of you</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">To hell with unconstitutionalism.<br />Those immoral fucks get exactly what they deserve, hopefully many years in "pound-me-in-the-ass" prison.

[SexySites]

hmm you make some interesting points...<br /><br />the way in which society works is that there is a "norm". this moral deviance is against the "norm" therefore is a threat to the establishment.<br /><br />"i realize that these children weren't necessarily stars signing consent forms...."<br /><br />usually child pornography is related to abuse, the way you've phrased this sentence above is maybe a little nieve. <br /><br />Please dont take offense to the way in which i've phrased my reply i couldnt think of a better way of expressing myself <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" /> <br /><br />laters,<br />Chris

[playa]

when you doing something illegal then you should loose alrights when privacy is involved,,,<br /><br />whatever it takes to take them down is fair game

[thrillseekre]

SexySites ,<br />if you read the entire paragraph again that you quoted from, you'll notice that i was comparing two situations. there was no naiveite...adult film stars sign consent forms. i was acknowledging that i realize these children aren't, that alone making the porn illegal in the US.<br /><br />sure, abuse it is. i acknowledged this. the question i posed was...yes, inprison these people, but at the price of breaking our own laws, in the process of the way we pursue the criminals???<br /><br />fuck that!<br />i just am not a beleiver in "if you're a citizen, then there are laws you must abide by, that government officials are exempt from, especially in being criminals themselves to bust the people themselves that are actually being called criminals"<br />mind you, this is an age old US circumstance constantly coming into light in the last quarter of this previous century.<br />nevertheless, it appears today. thus i make this post...not about the actions of the porn traders, but the privacy issue and the process the fbi/yahoo has taken to pursue this.<br /><br />in other ways, this doesn't differ from any other file trading...napster/kazaa alike. there are moral differences here causing the conflict. we are live, then we die, done. we create what is moral. it's in our minds, nowhere else. we weren't born with this. it's tradition. i'm not saying good nor bad, these statements are just facts. i do question some of thier relavence to life itself though, and the importance we put behind them.<br />leading me to, i can trade these files but not those files????<br /><br />i don't know about you immortals that post here, but i have a defined period of time to live. i don't think it is anyones concern what files me nor anyone else should want to see, or countries to tour, or whatever makes people fulfilled. at the same time, harm to others is universally considered wrong. the people who took the pics/vids media whatever, with children, they were incurring major injustice to those children. whereas the people trading that media were harming no-one. of course, by letting those traders slide would be loosening up the leash in laws, making less people who make that media with children think twice about their actions, thus more likely to make child pornography.<br />but again, the gov. breaking laws to pursue people who break laws????<br /><br />what was that book written 10+ years ago?<br />"The rich get richer and the poor get prison"<br /><br />exactly my point<br />all over differences in opinion (morals), one person is inprisoned while the law breaker that pursued them is honored.<br /><br />"think it over, creep"

[thrillseekre]

playa,<br />i must inform you that we no longer live in the ice age. the times are of intellectual importance. Jesse Wales and Bonanza are no longer the thing

[PeepNTom]

those that promote/solicit ch*ld p*orn have no<br />rights as I see it (I'm with the majority <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> )<br /><br />They all should be burned at the stake ! <img border="0" alt="[Nod]" title="" src="graemlins/nod.gif" /> <br /><br />and anyone that supports them or their actions<br />should be burned as well.

[SexySites]

hmm i understand what your saying. I was just offended by the apparent callousness with which you offered the analogue.<br /><br />I think a more appropriate comparison have been made.<br /><br />laters,<br />Chris

[thrillseekre]

very true<br />i honestly cannot think of a more appropriate analogy...for this subject, i don't beleive one would exist

[SexySites]

thrill didnt mean to offend with what i said <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /><br />laters,<br />Chris

[playa]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by thrillseekre:<br /><strong> i'm looking at this from the deviants perspecive, those that were busted, for, their moral variance doesn't make them less human in worth.<br /></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">yes this does make you less human, and you need to be put in jail..,,, don't forget some of these people busted admitted they abused a child and not to mention some were in position in charge of children,,, police,bus drivers, clergymen,,<br /><br />if you was in yahoo position you don't feel obligated to hand over all evidence,,, hell this might have prevented and/or stop a abuse

[thrillseekre]

oh yeah<br />chris, same here<br />no offense taken<br />i'm just straight up<br /><br />playa,<br />i feel what you're saying<br />and the information was subpoenad...not like yahoo had much choice at the last moment.<br />i was just under the impression these people were file sharing, not making this media themselves.