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basschick
03-21-2002, 01:14 PM
i never worked with videos much - can you stream an mpg? if so, what software do you use?<br /><br />thanks!

ADIDAS
03-21-2002, 01:16 PM
basschick, mpeg can not be streamed, it can be progressive though, which mimics streaming, much like qhat quicktime does when not on a quicktime server. <br /><br />you download it, and as it downloads you are watching it....

AgentCash
03-21-2002, 01:43 PM
If it sounds like a stream & looks like a stream... then it is a stream! Why buy the hype? <img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" />

basschick
03-21-2002, 02:12 PM
thanks for the info. any idea on where i can find a tutorial on how to accomplish this feat?

SexySites
03-21-2002, 02:17 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by basschick:<br /><strong>i never worked with videos much - can you stream an mpg? if so, what software do you use?<br /><br />thanks!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">convert it to asf...<br /><br />laters,<br />Chris

basschick
03-21-2002, 02:43 PM
do i need premier to do that?

SexySites
03-21-2002, 03:00 PM
nah just download microsoft media tools from their website ...i think ...<br /><br />otherwise you might need virtualdub <a href="http://www.virtualdub.com" target="_blank">http://www.virtualdub.com</a> or tmpeg if it doesnt work for some reason.<br /><br />if your having trouble hit me up on icq i'll give ya a hand <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /><br />laters,<br />Chris

basschick
03-21-2002, 03:11 PM
thanks a lot!

flyingiguana
03-21-2002, 03:14 PM
i just embed it in the browser.

SexySites
03-21-2002, 03:37 PM
why is it that every site i go2 with ucj it seems to have a 500 internal error???<br /><br />iguana yes im talking about yours...whats up?<br /><br />laters,<br />Chris

flyingiguana
03-21-2002, 07:13 PM
u got an internal error when going to my site? i just checked it and my stats and everything seems to be working fine.

matuloo
03-21-2002, 07:17 PM
Someone mentioned that before - when you click the link here on AWI it gives you that error.

unconnected
03-21-2002, 07:56 PM
What is that microsoft product called?<br />Trying to find that myself actually

AgentCash
03-21-2002, 08:00 PM
I use Windows Media Encoder <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/download/" target="_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/download/</a>

mrandersen
03-21-2002, 08:34 PM
Make it wmv, and embed it in page<br /><br />Cant go wrong <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />

SexySites
03-21-2002, 08:58 PM
thats the one <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /><br />laters,<br />Chris

basschick
03-21-2002, 11:59 PM
except that i have NO video programs whatsoever and zero experience ;-)

arthurdent
03-22-2002, 12:50 AM
IMHO<br />use VirtualDub and produce asf files. Officially new version of VirtualDub doesn't support asf files (MS prohibition), but you can download unofficially versions (wich support asf), or you can use old version 1.33 (wich also support asf files). <br /><br />I strongly advice you to don't install Windows Media Tools. Installing Media Tools will fuck up your MPEG4.x codec (incl. MP42 and MP43). You will have to re-install that codec and all DivX codec(s). If you ask me, this package sucks.<br /><br />But, this is only my opinion. <br /><br />peace

boooomer
03-22-2002, 02:55 AM
well.. i just ftp it and rename it wmv.. simple as that..

unconnected
03-22-2002, 06:11 AM
Well too late for that warning, as I am now installing all my codecs..<br />Fuck do I hate MS sometimes..<br />Can anyone direct me where I can get a copy of VirtualDub 1.3 ?<br />Much appreciated..

SexySites
03-22-2002, 06:44 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by unconnected:<br /><strong>Well too late for that warning, as I am now installing all my codecs..<br />Fuck do I hate MS sometimes..<br />Can anyone direct me where I can get a copy of VirtualDub 1.3 ?<br />Much appreciated..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">is virtual dub 1.3 the one which supports asf?<br /><br />just search on google for it...its usually on some random site...<br /><br />laters,<br />Chris

basschick
03-22-2002, 08:53 AM
boooomer, tried it. my media player (which is the newest version) said it had become corrupted and could not play it. too bad - renaming them would have been too easy!

basschick
03-22-2002, 12:52 PM
i tried it on this other computer. it came back as text in netscape and again unplayable when i clicked in ie.<br /><br />boooomer, better check your member area... the videos there may not play!

baddog
03-23-2002, 02:29 AM
basschick<br /><br />contact me via ICQ I believe I can help you out. I have had you on my waiting for authorization for a few months now anyway (I think that is you anyway)

roach
03-23-2002, 02:58 AM
Illegal? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />

arthurdent
03-23-2002, 04:41 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by unconnected:<br /><strong>Well too late for that warning, as I am now installing all my codecs..<br />Fuck do I hate MS sometimes..<br />Can anyone direct me where I can get a copy of VirtualDub 1.3 ?<br />Much appreciated..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"><img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" /> <br />OK. I will repeat my warning. Don't install Windows Media Tools this will fuck up your MPEG4.x codec (incl. MP42 and MP43). You will have to re-install that codec and all DivX codec(s).<br /><br />About VirtulDub downloading. Go to:<br /><a href="http://virtualdub.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank">http://virtualdub.sourceforge.net/</a> , and download official version (which doesn't support asf files anymore).<br /><br />Or <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> , download old version 1.33, which support .asf files at:<br /><a href="http://perso.wanadoo.fr/nomad/virtualdub13c.zip" target="_blank">http://perso.wanadoo.fr/nomad/virtualdub13c.zip</a><br />and, SMR Codec from <a href="http://www.divx-digest.com/software/smrcodec.html" target="_blank">http://www.divx-digest.com/software/smrcodec.html</a> ,<br />I don't know is direct link works, however:<br /><a href="http://www.divx-digest.tv/software/codec/smrpatchsetup.zip" target="_blank">http://www.divx-digest.tv/software/codec/smrpatchsetup.zip</a><br /><br />This is all...<br /><br />peace

arthurdent
03-23-2002, 04:50 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Lucian - SimplyDialers.com:<br /><strong>Illegal? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yes Lucian. This is illegal. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br />MS doesn't want to other software (except Windows Media Tools) produce asf files. But when you produce file, noone can say with which software you do that. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /><br />Even DivX is (still) illegal. This is an cracked version of MS MPEG4 v2 codec.<br /><br />peace

porntowers.com
03-23-2002, 05:29 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by boooomer:<br /><strong>well.. i just ftp it and rename it wmv.. simple as that..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Respectfully:<br />Be forewarned this is not possible as it does not inherit the properties of wmv by simply renaming the file extension. All mpegs are compressed file formats and the associated properties will not changed unless re-encoded. Sure, your browser will probably recognize the file as there are error checks written into MS media player, but it will not be a true wmv. The MS media encoder program was not written to simply change file extensions.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /><br />Late,<br /><br />Kyle

Dreamer
03-23-2002, 09:05 AM
Can all surfers play WMV files?<br />I changed my movie to Wmv format yesterday and already got about 10 emails of surfers which want to go back to old format (divX 3.11) and some of them can't play it (on win 95).<br /><br />What do they need to do on older windows so they can play WMV ? (so I can make some tutor page for them)

SexySites
03-23-2002, 09:09 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by arthurdent:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by unconnected:<br /><strong>Well too late for that warning, as I am now installing all my codecs..<br />Fuck do I hate MS sometimes..<br />Can anyone direct me where I can get a copy of VirtualDub 1.3 ?<br />Much appreciated..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"><img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" /> <br />OK. I will repeat my warning. Don't install Windows Media Tools this will fuck up your MPEG4.x codec (incl. MP42 and MP43). You will have to re-install that codec and all DivX codec(s).<br /><br />About VirtulDub downloading. Go to:<br /><a href="http://virtualdub.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank">http://virtualdub.sourceforge.net/</a> , and download official version (which doesn't support asf files anymore).<br /><br />Or <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> , download old version 1.33, which support .asf files at:<br /><a href="http://perso.wanadoo.fr/nomad/virtualdub13c.zip" target="_blank">http://perso.wanadoo.fr/nomad/virtualdub13c.zip</a><br />and, SMR Codec from <a href="http://www.divx-digest.com/software/smrcodec.html" target="_blank">http://www.divx-digest.com/software/smrcodec.html</a> ,<br />I don't know is direct link works, however:<br /><a href="http://www.divx-digest.tv/software/codec/smrpatchsetup.zip" target="_blank">http://www.divx-digest.tv/software/codec/smrpatchsetup.zip</a><br /><br />This is all...<br /><br />peace</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">didnt seem to fuck up mine! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> ...i also found that when trying to join some avi files i needed a cracked version of mp4, so i had to use angel potion codec to convert the avis...<br /><br />laters,<br />Chris

shunga
03-23-2002, 11:26 AM
Why not download the Stream Amywhere demo from <a href="http://www.sonicfoundry.com" target="_blank">www.sonicfoundry.com</a> and then buy the full version if it's what you need? It can convert MPEG's to ASF and/or RM.

SexySites
03-23-2002, 11:27 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by shunga:<br /><strong>Why not download the Stream Amywhere demo from <a href="http://www.sonicfoundry.com" target="_blank">www.sonicfoundry.com</a> and then buy the full version if it's what you need? It can convert MPEG's to ASF and/or RM.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">because virtualdub is free <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /><br />laters,<br />Chris

arthurdent
03-23-2002, 11:47 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by SexySites:<br /><strong>didnt seem to fuck up mine! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> ...i also found that when trying to join some avi files i needed a cracked version of mp4, so i had to use angel potion codec to convert the avis...<br /><br />laters,<br />Chris</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Which means that you need to re-install angel potion codec <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /><br />peace

SexySites
03-23-2002, 11:49 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by arthurdent:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by SexySites:<br /><strong>didnt seem to fuck up mine! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> ...i also found that when trying to join some avi files i needed a cracked version of mp4, so i had to use angel potion codec to convert the avis...<br /><br />laters,<br />Chris</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Which means that you need to re-install angel potion codec <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /><br />peace</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">re-install? i've only installed once <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> ...all avi and mpeg work fine on my machine <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /><br />laters,<br />Chris

arthurdent
03-23-2002, 12:03 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by SexySites:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by arthurdent:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by SexySites:<br /><strong>didnt seem to fuck up mine! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> ...i also found that when trying to join some avi files i needed a cracked version of mp4, so i had to use angel potion codec to convert the avis...<br /><br />laters,<br />Chris</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Which means that you need to re-install angel potion codec <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /><br />peace</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">re-install? i've only installed once <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> ...all avi and mpeg work fine on my machine <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /><br />laters,<br />Chris</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"><img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" /> <br />What you talking man. When you install Windows Media Tools you will fuck up some codec(s); this program overwrites angel potion codec for sure.<br />If you say that this isn’t case on your computer, then this is an absurd.<br /><br />I’m not saying that you are liar, but I’m working with movies 2 years, and never hear anything similar. Look at any movie board, and you will see…<br />Only one limitation, I never try to install that shit of program on XP. WMT fucked up me 2 times on WIN98SE, and never again <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> .<br /><br />peace

arthurdent
03-23-2002, 12:11 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by shunga:<br /><strong>Why not download the Stream Amywhere demo from <a href="http://www.sonicfoundry.com" target="_blank">www.sonicfoundry.com</a> and then buy the full version if it's what you need? It can convert MPEG's to ASF and/or RM.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Like SexySites (Chris) says because virtualdub is free <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ...<br />...and I don't see this program (Stream Amywhere) on sonicfoundry <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /><br />peace

SexySites
03-23-2002, 12:50 PM
arthurdent, i installed it in this order..maybe im just blessed <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /><br />divx 4<br />media tools<br />angel <br /><br /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /><br />laters,<br />Chris

arthurdent
03-23-2002, 01:05 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by SexySites:<br /><strong>arthurdent, i installed it in this order..maybe im just blessed <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /><br />divx 4<br />media tools<br />angel <br /><br /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /><br />laters,<br />Chris</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">So, this explains much more. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br />With angel potion codec install you also reinstall MPEG4.x codec(s) (MP42 and MP43), which WMT corrupt. With this codec you may play all DivX movies...<br /><br />Or, maybe you are blessed <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /><br />peace

basschick
03-24-2002, 12:44 AM
is there a downside to using wmv's instead of asf's ?

roach
03-24-2002, 01:20 AM
<img border="0" alt="[Bounce]" title="" src="graemlins/bounce.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/ouch.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Bounce]" title="" src="graemlins/bounce.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/ouch.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Sleeping]" title="" src="graemlins/sleeping.gif" />

Dreamer
03-24-2002, 07:38 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by basschick:<br /><strong>is there a downside to using wmv's instead of asf's ?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Use avi or mpeg. I posted pool on my movie site and in short period I got only 2 positive responds on wmv format (and about 30 negative).<br />Wmv isn't compatibile with all sistems.

shunga
03-24-2002, 09:14 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by SexySites:<br /><strong>because virtualdub is free <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You get what you pay for. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> I don't have the exact URL for Stream Anywhere on their site, but it should be there, somewhere.

shunga
03-24-2002, 09:22 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Dreamer:<br /><strong>Use avi or mpeg. I posted pool on my movie site and in short period I got only 2 positive responds on wmv format (and about 30 negative).<br />Wmv isn't compatibile with all sistems.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">If you're using longer movies with good quality I'd suggest using ASF and RM for wider compatibility. AVI and MPEG are high quality formats, but they produce larger files, unless you use something like DivX, and that opens up more support issues. You have to strike a balance between what the surfer wants and your bandwidth bill. For a movie post your audience might be a little different, but that's how I'd go for a members area.

arthurdent
03-24-2002, 10:06 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by shunga:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by SexySites:<br /><strong>because virtualdub is free <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You get what you pay for. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> I don't have the exact URL for Stream Anywhere on their site, but it should be there, somewhere.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"><img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" /> <br />Yes, you can pay whore, and get aids, or you can fuck you wife and get dinner <img border="0" alt="[ROTFLMAO]" title="" src="graemlins/rotflmao.gif" /> <br /><br />btw VirtulDub is excellent program. If you ever try VD? I tried many expensive programs, but for recompressons VirtualDub is the finest pick.<br /><br />peace

basschick
03-24-2002, 11:23 AM
i'm using movies 2.something - 7 mg in size (and about 1.3 - 5 minutes long)<br /><br />wouldn't that be too large for regular dialup users to wait on?

shunga
03-24-2002, 01:13 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by basschick:<br /><strong>i'm using movies 2.something - 7 mg in size (and about 1.3 - 5 minutes long)<br /><br />wouldn't that be too large for regular dialup users to wait on?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Around 1Mb per minute is about right, in my experience. I use a 2 minute standard length that works out at 2.2Mb. That seems to be a good balance between quality and file size.

shunga
03-24-2002, 01:23 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by arthurdent:<br /><strong>Yes, you can pay whore, and get aids, or you can fuck you wife and get dinner</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">That analogy works as long as your wife is cheaper than a whore, which I hope isn't the case. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /><br />I chose Stream Anywhere, you and others chose Virtual Dub, at least we do have a choice. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

arthurdent
03-24-2002, 05:08 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by shunga:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by arthurdent:<br /><strong>Yes, you can pay whore, and get aids, or you can fuck you wife and get dinner</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">That analogy works as long as your wife is cheaper than a whore, which I hope isn't the case. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /><br />I chose Stream Anywhere, you and others chose Virtual Dub, at least we do have a choice. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">No analogy is whore and diner...<br />Why paying for something that you can get free, and plus earn your diner <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /><br />What I want to say is following, If it something free that doen's mean that this is worse then something what you must pay.<br /><br />I never used Stream Anywhere, and I say that, but I know that VirtualDub recopress movie 2x-3x faster than Premiere, without any difference in quality. And when you must to recompress bunch of movies, than you ask for faster/quality solutions.<br />But I will very readily test Stream Anywhere if I manage to find them <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /><br />peace

shunga
03-24-2002, 05:48 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by arthurdent:<br /><strong>[QUOTE]Why paying for something that you can get free, and plus earn your diner</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I think married men are the last people to get sex for free. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /><br />It seems Sonic Foundry have dropped Stream Anywhere, which is a shame as it's a good program. Perhaps too many people downloaded Virtual Dub for free. <img border="0" alt="[ROTFLMAO]" title="" src="graemlins/rotflmao.gif" />