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STEVEN
10-27-2001, 11:11 PM
OK, I look at these threads and I can't see how a guy is cheating by looking at the incoming/outgoing IPs - can someone clue me in?

Here is a trade of mine(I am NOT saying this site is cheating, this is for comparision, education):

Incoming from sitexxx.com
Raw:5283 Uniques:4222 Percent:79.92

Outgoing generated by sitexxx.com
Raw:8763 Uniques:1561 Percent:17.81

Referring URL
5082 - http://www.sitexxx.com/tgp.shtml
18 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?link=xfu3Movie
18 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?link=xfu3Granny
15 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?link=xfu3Hardcore
8 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?link=xfu3Gangbang
6 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?url=http://www.pornn.org/teens/tgp3/11/gallery9.htm&p=70
5 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?url=http://www.steamysecrets.com/czesc/angela4/mature.htm&p=70
5 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?url=mature-post&p=70
5 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?url=http://spunkysheets.com/galleries/julianne/awesometeen.html&p=70
5 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?url=http://www.free-sex-clips.com/orall002/videoscd.htm&p=70
4 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?link=xfu3Fetish
4 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?url=http://www.older-amateurs-network.com/older/70yearoldwoman/older377.html&p=70
4 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?url=http://www.pornsexhost.com/www/home/nicheporn/mature28-8.htm&p=70
4 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?url=http://www.xxx-mpeg-xxx.com/002/videoimd.html&p=70
3 - http://sitexxx.com/tgp.shtml
3 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?url=http://home.12move.nl/~se042334/lglj67.htm&p=70
3 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?url=http://www.girl-friend.com/galleries3/o10td120.html&p=70
3 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?link=xfu3Plumper
3 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?url=http://www.wildshemale.com/promo/69wild9.html&p=70
3 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?link=xfu3Ebony
3 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?link=xfu3Amateur
3 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?link=xfu3Shemale
3 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?url=http://havefreesex.com/hardcore/bdk20.html&p=70
3 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi/
2 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?url=http://www.salsagear.com/final/monica17/mature.htm&p=70
2 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?url=http://videos.videos-erotism.com/16movies02/day103/m16mov.htm&p=70
2 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?url=http://www.pinklilac.com/new/mimii0/mature.htm&p=70
2 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?link=xfu3Teen
2 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?url=http://www.skinmagazin.com/lk/coast1/mature-post.html&p=70
2 - http://www.sitexxx.com/cgi-bin/ucj/c.cgi?url=http://www.old69.com/mature/matr03e.htm&p=70


Most Popular Links
4233 - nodivert
2210 - out
1627 - divert
644 - shows
46 - top30
2 - nolabel
1 - gal


Incoming Repetitive IP's
65 - 209.240.222.132
23 - 203.198.23.169
21 - 213.224.83.27
18 - 152.163.189.65
17 - 64.12.96.170
16 - 205.188.208.101
15 - 205.188.208.201
14 - 213.96.89.102
13 - 205.148.198.18
13 - 194.19.249.2
12 - 64.12.96.233
10 - 213.40.3.97
10 - 213.116.42.45
10 - 208.157.10.7
10 - 152.163.188.1
9 - 205.188.209.5
9 - 192.92.126.136
9 - 195.92.168.165
8 - 24.69.255.205
8 - 24.71.223.143
8 - 213.36.82.225
8 - 62.252.64.4
8 - 217.0.119.59
8 - 212.144.65.78
8 - 200.63.78.143
8 - 194.65.14.75
7 - 61.9.128.142
7 - 203.96.111.202
7 - 193.253.241.70
7 - 62.64.191.187
4508 - none
13 - 10.198.9.4
12 - unknown
10 - 206.157.150.108
10 - 209.240.220.159
9 - 209.240.220.143
7 - 209.240.220.175
5 - 213.40.8.194
5 - 209.240.220.151
4 - 217.135.157.17
4 - 213.7.157.231
4 - 213.33.43.65
4 - 213.6.76.157
4 - 209.240.220.167
4 - 217.70.109.162
4 - 209.240.220.183
4 - unknown,194.134.193.16
4 - 24.64.155.140
4 - 194.24.140.132
3 - 209.240.220.199
3 - 195.121.212.147
3 - 62.30.132.182
3 - 209.240.221.94
3 - 211.212.15.125
3 - 202.28.26.229
3 - 202.22.197.80
3 - 195.97.116.30
3 - 62.25.233.206
3 - 209.240.221.110
3 - 212.162.248.189


Outgoing Repetitive IP's
140 - 4.48.201.22
85 - 200.21.115.128
77 - 192.92.126.136
70 - 62.211.167.91
70 - 172.176.247.28
66 - 64.91.15.37
63 - 24.71.32.35
57 - 61.79.77.47
53 - 212.29.64.149
48 - 195.252.162.76
48 - 24.165.92.116
47 - 144.13.6.10
42 - 199.35.88.214
42 - 212.13.167.1
42 - 213.46.203.41
41 - 63.229.202.185
39 - 217.35.231.1
39 - 24.250.78.215
38 - 212.15.120.112
38 - 62.10.121.93
38 - 62.10.121.101
38 - 62.83.12.218
37 - 194.117.133.118
34 - 212.205.230.2
34 - 203.165.2.12
33 - 193.150.255.181
33 - 212.171.44.177
32 - 211.219.164.254
32 - 24.4.253.34
31 - 212.50.176.206
7582 - none
50 - unknown
50 - 212.29.122.113
47 - 144.13.217.254
37 - 62.30.182.207
30 - 213.7.141.102
28 - 217.135.104.252
27 - 62.47.11.240
27 - 192.168.50.49, 194.87.239.200
26 - 213.153.209.31
25 - 212.62.72.39
24 - 213.67.176.63
19 - 217.135.140.88
18 - 200.65.253.63
17 - 195.114.185.135
16 - 144.132.72.73
16 - 211.212.15.125
13 - 195.97.119.152
12 - 62.25.131.37
12 - 155.239.242.177
12 - 10.2.21.111
12 - 62.148.68.60
12 - 195.132.85.176
11 - 206.157.150.108
11 - 62.29.76.91
11 - 212.70.200.1
11 - 62.64.152.173
10 - 203.146.35.71
10 - 212.14.109.116
10 - 206.211.142.88


OK, now here are stats from this thread: http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=8&t=000774

Raw:1711 Uniques:971 Percent:56.75
Raw:1368 Uniques:538 Percent:39.33

Incoming Repetitive IP's
176 - 211.216.216.34
145 - 211.216.216.98
137 - 211.216.216.102
122 - 211.216.216.46
18 - 211.110.7.222
15 - 211.110.7.212
13 - 210.117.67.222
9 - 211.117.39.4
9 - 211.117.39.70
8 - 210.117.67.212
8 - 211.117.39.71
7 - 211.117.39.61
7 - 211.117.39.60
7 - 211.117.39.58
7 - 211.117.39.57
7 - 210.117.67.233
7 - 210.117.67.244
6 - 210.117.67.215
6 - 211.117.39.59
6 - 211.117.39.5
5 - 211.47.96.50
5 - 211.117.39.38
5 - 211.117.39.53
5 - 210.117.67.219
5 - 211.117.39.8
5 - 211.117.39.72
5 - 211.117.39.6
5 - 203.198.23.29
5 - 211.61.251.247
4 - 210.117.67.216
1403 - none
4 - unknown
3 - 10.15.1.92
3 - 211.38.241.102
3 - 207.26.139.131
3 - 211.209.15.113
2 - 61.74.235.236
2 - 192.168.45.133, 193.52.47.253
2 - 211.201.49.234
2 - 211.107.148.175
2 - 10.10.2.19
2 - 202.156.37.191
2 - 211.176.163.129
2 - 192.168.15.71
2 - 211.195.169.184
2 - 211.227.183.27
2 - 211.208.57.254
2 - 62.137.164.22
2 - 213.118.56.195, 213.224.83.166
2 - 211.230.162.93
2 - 211.106.206.66
2 - 24.70.207.72
2 - 211.228.46.230
2 - 24.65.187.241
2 - 211.219.106.82
2 - 210.105.30.12
2 - 211.224.97.35
2 - 131.228.164.101,172.23.125.170
2 - 62.30.215.170
2 - 211.208.51.148


Outgoing Repetitive IP's
136 - 211.216.216.34
105 - 211.216.216.98
96 - 211.216.216.102
90 - 211.216.216.46
33 - 211.110.7.222
25 - 64.12.102.27
19 - 211.110.7.212
15 - 212.228.126.72
13 - 200.30.153.161
13 - 210.117.67.222
12 - 194.170.1.66
9 - 193.250.209.43
9 - 24.187.185.91
9 - 208.190.253.39
8 - 4.41.113.155
8 - 62.172.85.45
8 - 202.28.27.3
7 - 210.117.67.212
7 - 203.91.147.222
7 - 24.100.204.3
7 - 210.117.67.215
7 - 211.47.96.50
7 - 130.225.40.20
7 - 211.117.39.71
6 - 211.117.39.5
6 - 151.29.235.191
6 - 24.64.223.203
5 - 66.74.160.157
5 - 211.117.39.58
5 - 24.16.160.91
1145 - none
8 - 10.29.1.135
5 - unknown
5 - 62.30.215.170
5 - 130.225.189.40
4 - 202.156.90.87
4 - 24.65.187.241
4 - 217.134.216.249
4 - 211.104.39.115
4 - 10.15.1.92
4 - 211.209.15.113
3 - 211.229.250.79
3 - 211.107.28.132
3 - 203.236.112.45
2 - 62.137.216.59
2 - 216.18.108.47
2 - 211.218.114.42
2 - 211.195.157.182
2 - 203.45.111.188
2 - 211.227.183.27
2 - 211.105.186.200
2 - 211.58.150.60
2 - 211.230.210.171
2 - 61.76.36.236
2 - 202.156.37.191
2 - 211.205.9.218
2 - 211.104.241.235
2 - 210.105.251.165
2 - 202.156.229.79
2 - 137.15.208.15

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My second sites stats

Raw:724 Uniques:397 Percent:54.83

Raw:728 Uniques:220 Percent:30.22

Incoming Repetitive IP's
78 - 211.216.216.98
77 - 211.216.216.34
69 - 211.216.216.102
68 - 211.216.216.46
11 - 211.110.7.222
9 - 211.110.7.212
7 - 211.117.39.59
7 - 210.117.67.215
6 - 210.117.67.222
6 - 211.110.7.219
5 - 210.117.67.212
5 - 211.117.39.61
4 - 210.117.67.244
4 - 211.117.39.55
4 - 211.117.39.68
4 - 203.198.24.5
4 - 210.117.67.219
4 - 210.117.67.236
4 - 210.111.250.82
3 - 168.122.32.148
3 - 211.117.39.70
3 - 24.176.36.235
3 - 24.69.255.205
3 - 203.248.0.67
3 - 211.117.39.72
3 - 211.169.229.180
3 - 209.240.222.132
3 - 211.179.252.117
3 - 211.117.39.40
2 - 212.171.227.105
575 - none
4 - 10.10.11.103
3 - 152.149.14.38
2 - 211.231.51.229
2 - 192.143.129.238
2 - 132.64.54.251
2 - 211.225.8.236
2 - 24.79.124.112
2 - 211.192.4.247
2 - 211.199.249.101
2 - 211.215.111.124
2 - 211.222.208.141
2 - 165.21.181.18
2 - 211.209.4.142
1 - 211.107.126.126
1 - 192.168.1.160
1 - 218.48.34.240
1 - 128.134.18.27
1 - 211.221.213.53
1 - 211.231.51.242
1 - 211.177.22.221
1 - 211.204.243.56
1 - 192.168.7.138
1 - 211.226.38.212
1 - 211.106.206.66
1 - 210.121.231.106
1 - 211.228.207.66
1 - 61.77.17.190
1 - 211.179.216.46
1 - 211.217.37.169


Outgoing Repetitive IP's
65 - 211.216.216.98
57 - 211.216.216.34
48 - 211.216.216.46
42 - 211.216.216.102
41 - 62.54.71.241
24 - 24.176.36.235
20 - 210.117.67.244
17 - 210.117.67.222
17 - 64.132.156.138
16 - 209.214.187.32
15 - 202.163.220.67
15 - 200.206.141.232
14 - 211.110.7.212
14 - 211.110.7.222
14 - 210.117.67.215
13 - 209.148.232.168
12 - 61.145.199.34
7 - 24.45.135.23
7 - 207.172.11.233
7 - 203.246.246.168
6 - 193.251.89.206
6 - 211.117.39.53
6 - 211.110.7.234
6 - 210.117.67.219
5 - 61.153.37.206
4 - 195.219.86.228
4 - 211.211.101.122
4 - 65.8.178.172
4 - 212.171.227.105
4 - 210.205.30.35
633 - none
6 - 192.143.129.238
5 - 211.219.43.24
4 - 10.10.11.103
4 - 211.212.193.82
3 - 211.192.4.247
3 - 152.149.14.38
2 - 192.168.7.138
2 - 211.209.246.189
2 - 211.230.111.138
2 - 211.104.219.220
2 - 210.101.89.13
2 - 211.206.12.86
2 - 24.79.124.112
2 - 192.168.1.160
2 - 211.247.132.175
2 - 211.38.241.102
2 - 211.231.51.242
2 - 211.227.178.186
2 - 211.207.75.232
1 - 213.29.136.36
1 - 211.54.130.220
1 - 62.47.160.146
1 - 211.247.233.195
1 - 211.177.22.221
1 - 211.231.51.229
1 - 211.178.12.123
1 - 203.234.93.130
1 - 211.226.38.212
1 - 24.64.105.63

shane, you say that you'd blacklist a site for the second bunch of stats. Can you PLEASE explain why? Shane, Dan S, Due? You guys are great at busting cheaters, but looking at these numbers doesn't do me any good. Point out what is good, or what is so bad, You guys seem to reallt know your shit with this, as you've been responsible for busting a LOT of cheaters over the past 2 years. C'mon, give us a little info so we can cacth cheaters and protect ourselves, too.

PsychoBitch
10-27-2001, 11:35 PM
Incoming from blank.xxx
Raw: 61 Uniques: 58 Percent:95.08

Outgoing generated by blank.xxx
Raw: 447 Uniques: 22 Percent:4.92

Referring URL
66 - http://blank.xxx/links1.htm
30 - http://blank.xxx/links1.htm
1 - http://www.blank.xxx/teenlinks.htm
1 - http://blank.xxx/archives.htm


Most Popular Links
396 shows
21 nodivert
14 divert
7 out
4 random
4 gal
1 tee


Incoming Repetitive IP's
3 62.211.33.66
2 217.225.28.174
1 66.20.150.150
1 65.94.5.47
1 65.26.20.111
1 65.10.69.206
1 64.45.216.86
1 64.45.197.253
1 62.7.166.156
1 62.211.167.90
1 62.20.234.243
1 62.112.12.217
1 62.112.0.22
1 62.104.221.64
1 62.104.219.72
1 61.120.218.86
1 24.80.154.155
1 24.4.253.19
1 24.248.114.245
1 24.247.171.24
49 none
1 62.20.234.78
1 62.137.216.175
1 62.112.6.15
1 216.190.31.209
1 213.75.129.219
1 213.7.42.176
1 213.7.118.16
1 213.43.255.131
1 213.118.146.124, 213.224.83.78
1 209.240.221.135
1 209.155.206.211
1 203.21.140.73


Outgoing Repetitive IP's
381 62.211.33.66
12 62.211.167.90
11 66.20.150.150
6 65.10.69.206
6 213.224.83.78
6 200.13.227.230
3 213.170.187.31
3 209.214.104.86
3 195.121.244.220
2 62.7.166.156
2 212.239.168.6
2 203.21.140.3
1 62.112.12.217
1 24.4.253.19
1 24.4.252.45
1 216.190.25.66
1 213.173.148.57
1 207.155.239.73
1 195.60.5.91
1 195.121.244.221
434 none
6 213.118.146.124
3 213.75.129.248
2 203.21.140.73
1 216.190.31.209
1 213.75

Does this look strange? I mean I got:
60
23
447 <--- this number is outrageous for the number in..... (?)


:confused:

shane
10-29-2001, 02:20 PM
I blacklist anyone i suspect these days, some cheaters are very good, and they cheat only like 5% of there traffic its hard to catch them.
Things like checking them against 3rd party counters or hiding invisable links on your page work good.
Another give away is if their hits/clicks are not inline with everyone elses traffic or tons of the traffic comes from proxies
also Webmasters who dont include ICQ and email on the join page are normally cheaters

Sandy
11-02-2001, 10:24 AM
Shane,

how can you tell an ip is from an proxy?

let me know!

thnx