Are they scamming me?

[Dan S]

Ok, I ordered a test purchase of 10k exits.<br /><br />They said they sent the traffic, I replied my traffic dont indicate any additional traffic.<br />In fact my server stats were exactly the same on that day they said they sent it. (+/-200).<br /><br />They than replied:<br />I have beaten the programmer, clamped body parts in the vise, and got <br />the truth from him. We were losing hits for our part ( ie. we had to <br />buy 130K to get 100K for the customer ). So he tried a new tactic: we <br />cached the page and loaded from our servers to eliminate slow server <br />loads. When we did that, your page was loaded, but since it was from <br />cache, your server never knew it. If you wish, we will re-run your <br />page; since that trick didn't help we went back to the old way. Looks <br />like we are going to have to run an accelerator script, plus re program <br />cpu's to load alternatly.<br /><br />I don`t know exactly how that would work, and if the traffic is actually beeing sent to my domain??<br />Also, I dont really understand how that would speed up my page load. I mean, every unique user must to load the page, even from their cache, right?<br /><br />Can somebody light me up?

[darksoft]

Bro, your server stats, if you are referring to the raw apache logs, aren't cached... sounds like you've been fed a load...

[Dan S]

Yeah, thats what I feel

[Zane]

Hi Dan, if you feel comfortable posting who you purchased this questionable traffic from I wouldn't mind knowing who to look out for. Thnx.

[DarkLour]

that does sound like Crap.. maby you should get your money back

[Dan S]

Contact me on ICQ if you want to know who it was.<br />It was mainstream traffic though, no adult.<br /><br />They offered me to resend the traffic the "normal" way. So let`s see.<br /><br />What bugs me here is that I told them that this was a test purchase, and if everything looks good I would purchase more. Still it looks they tried me, huh?

[Terrance11]

Hey Dan S, would you happen to have purchased this traffic from a site that has a similar outline to one of these sites:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.thebighitman.com/" target="_blank">http://www.thebighitman.com/</a><br /><a href="http://www.inetconsult.co.uk" target="_blank">http://www.inetconsult.co.uk</a><br /><br />If so, it's a scam. I know the secret, and all they do is img src you, and run up fake hits to people who don't know about stuff like that.

[Terrance11]

sorry the second url doesn't work.<br /><br />If it's like the first url. There's a lot of them out there, and they're all scams. They promise 1 million uniques, or whatever amount you purchase. I would report them if you purchased traffic from one of these sites.

[playa]

never trust mainstream companies <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> <br /><br />"hence dot com failures"

[Terrance11]

here's some others, but there's literally hundreds of them on the net:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.i-web-marketing.com" target="_blank">www.i-web-marketing.com</a><br /><a href="http://www.onlineadcenter.com" target="_blank">www.onlineadcenter.com</a><br /><a href="http://www.webhitsdirect.com" target="_blank">www.webhitsdirect.com</a><br /><a href="http://www.trafficaim.com" target="_blank">www.trafficaim.com</a><br /><br />I think you get the point <img border="0" alt="[Nod]" title="" src="graemlins/nod.gif" />

[Dan S]

Wow!<br /><br />nope it was none of them, it was truetraffic.com<br /><br />I didnt know that the mainstream world is fucked up even more than our biz <img border="0" alt="[No No]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" /> <br /><br />Oh well, fuck it. Atleast I got the cheapest of them ripping me.<br /><br />I paid thru paypal, can I charge it back?

[Terrance11]

Dan, there's instructions in the pay pal members, in which you can get a refund for a payment. I've done it many times. But they have to research it, and it takes a while.<br /><br />I know the guy who first started these sites, and he's a real asshole. He sold me a site last year, only to let the domain name on the site run out, and that's after I had worked on it and advertised it.<br /><br />Just scroll down to the bottom of the pay pal members area and you should learn how to get the refund, but you have to do it before 30 days of the transaction I think, or else it won't work anymore.

[Dan S]

Ok, thx!

['Plat]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Dan S:<br /><strong>I have beaten the programmer, clamped body parts in the vise, and got <br />the truth from him. We were losing hits for our part ( ie. we had to <br />buy 130K to get 100K for the customer ). So he tried a new tactic: we <br />cached the page and loaded from our servers to eliminate slow server <br />loads. When we did that, your page was loaded, but since it was from <br />cache, your server never knew it. If you wish, we will re-run your <br />page; since that trick didn't help we went back to the old way. Looks <br />like we are going to have to run an accelerator script, plus re program <br />cpu's to load alternatly.<br /></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Thats the worst line of BS ive ever heard in my life.

[pr0view]

huh... they actually saved YOUR page on THEIR server and sent traffic not to <a href="http://www.blah.com" target="_blank">www.blah.com</a> BUT to <a href="http://www.theirserver.com/blah.com/?" target="_blank">http://www.theirserver.com/blah.com/?</a> is that it?<br /><br />if so (and they have a way to prove it - for instance, they put an additional counter in the source), i don't think that this is a scam... after all, you got the traffic but it reached a mirror of your site...

[Dan S]

Basicly buying exit traffic is not the way to push your clicks into the sky. Branding is as much as important as clicks. Getting the name out.<br />Maybe get some bookmarks out of it.<br /><br />I do not want my page bookmarked at <a href="http://www.theirsite.com/mysite.com/" target="_blank">www.theirsite.com/mysite.com/</a><br /><br />That is simply not what I paid for.<br /><br />They agreed to send traffic to my site. Which they didn`t.<br /><br />And I have no proof of traffic other than THEIR stats.

[Terrance11]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by pr0view:<br /><strong>huh... they actually saved YOUR page on THEIR server and sent traffic not to <a href="http://www.blah.com" target="_blank">www.blah.com</a> BUT to <a href="http://www.theirserver.com/blah.com/?" target="_blank">http://www.theirserver.com/blah.com/?</a> is that it?<br /><br />if so (and they have a way to prove it - for instance, they put an additional counter in the source), i don't think that this is a scam... after all, you got the traffic but it reached a mirror of your site...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The infomation on how these site's work was sold on ebay for quite a while, and I purchased the info myself because I was curious how they did it. It is indeed img src-ing, and exit traffic or mirror sites have absolutely nothing to do with it. Anyways, you can believe it's real traffic if you want to, but tell this... how can these people send millions of unique visitors to hundreds (maybe thousands) of customers every month? There's no logical way they can do that. They purchase small amounts of traffic from sites, sometimes even tgp's... They put a special ssi script into a page that loads another page that has the about 10 img src codings within in, and that runs up fake stats on other peoples' sites...

[Terrance11]

sorry for all the grammar errors, I didn't proof read my post, hope you understood what I said... <img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" />

[Dan S]

Well, looks like they just send me another 20k free of charge. So I won`t charge back.<br />But how would I know if the traffic is real?

[toker]

Another 20k to their site?

[Dan S]

I think to my site

[pr0view]

i'm not saying that this isn't a scam... i was just thinking loudly <img border="0" alt="[Embarassed]" title="" src="graemlins/embarassed.gif" /> <br /><br />if you were after bookmarkers then you were fucked... sorry, bro

[richard]

Dan, get them to send it to yoursite.com/e/ and then redirect back to yoursite.com - surfer should barely see anything, but it should show up in your stats..

[RaiDeN]

Hey Dan.<br />I have had deals with non-adult traffic more before.<br /><br />and i noticed that the traffic is still very productive.<br /><br />for instance i had 10k of pop-up hits coming to my site (like hot or not thingy, non adult) from a chatsite. and i REALLY noticed it in bookmarks and in people signing up pics and stuff.<br /><br />so if you got 10k, you really should have know / seen the diff. because 10k isnt much in adult. but it is much more in non-adult.<br /><br />so stats or not. if they send it to your site , you really should know but the growth of your site.