Telcoweb shut down? Whats the deal?

[Due]

If I'm not mistaken then Telcoweb is BTV industries.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41268-2002Apr24.html
and also
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2002/04/btv.htm


The complaint announced today named as defendants Rik Covell, Adam Lewis, BTV Industries, National Communications Team, Inc., LO/AD Communications Corp., and Nicholas Loader. At the request of the FTC, a U.S. District Court has halted the scheme and frozen the corporations' assets pending a preliminary injunction hearing

This does not sound good. Anyone talking to Telcoweb have more info?

[candidpublishinginc]

I just love it how the FTC blames Telcoweb for something THEY DIDN'T DO and something THEY WEREN'T AWARE OF when it happened!

Fucking morons have their heads so far up their asses it isn't funny.

The kids who participated in this scam had their accounts terminated by Telcoweb a long time ago. The fact that the FTC has to bring it up now makes me fucking sick.

[Due]

They can't be closed neither. I see USA calls today :confused:

[exitmoney]

what are the resellers from telcoweb saying, they should know better what is going on ?

[Marco]

Maybe it's just me, but I simply cannot believe that these people, the defendants, have been involved in e-mail spamming...
Must be some of their webmasters, I would think.

Marco
info@codialer.com
ICQ 29151164

[candidpublishinginc]

Maxcash had their assets frozen a while back to (Once again for something that wasn't their fault) and signups still showed up.

[candidpublishinginc]

Originally posted by Marco
Maybe it's just me, but I simply cannot believe that these people, the defendants, have been involved in e-mail spamming...
Must be some of their webmasters, I would think.

Marco
info@codialer.com
ICQ 29151164

It wasn't Telcoweb.

It was a bunch of idiotic kids who did it under Telcoweb's nose. They had NO WAY of knowing that this happened until it was too late because these kids hacked their dialer and hosted it themselves.

[Marco]

Candid, thanks for clearing that up :)

Marco
info@codialer.com
ICQ 29151164

[candidpublishinginc]

Also,

I'd advise everyone to not panic, and not take down Telcoweb's dialer if you are promoting it.

A similar matter happened with Max Cash, and everyone got paid on time.

I know for a FACT that Telcoweb is innocent in this matter. This is NOT like the Verity case, so please do not try to connect this with that.

[candidpublishinginc]

Correction about the Max Cash case,

People DIDN'T get paid on time, but they got paid when the FTC released RJB Telcom's funds which was about a month later.

[elron]

I am expecting for more news about it from the right people .
Post here everything you know please .

[rhizome]

I wonder how long Telco's resellers did know about this - especially Richard. Maybe that's why you disappeared without honoring your payments?

[Chupa]

... they need to change all those ads.

"Stop getting paid and start getting fucked! Whacked by the state-of-the-art telco network! The most busted name in the dialer industry!"

Seriously, their assets are about to be frozen. Read the court order. Unless they show cause to the court demonstrating why the court should NOT order the injunction, their assets will be frozen and they will be prohibited from doing busines or paying anyone. And they only have until tomorrow to do that.

I am shocked that some of the old heads around here would cry that Telco "isn't responsible" ... there is already legal precedent that makes operators responsible for the behavior of their sales or affiliate force. Even if Telco did discover and close those accounts, they evidently failed to provide redress to those harmed by the practicesor prosecute those responsible.

If they failed to do anything about the violators, then they directly benefited from the violations, in the form of profits.

Oops. lol

[candidpublishinginc]

Chupa,

Believe me Telcoweb did not profit from this scam.

Scam = Chargebacks + Lost revenue on transport fees

Before you run your mouth, you need to learn a little about the dialer business. Every gross minute billed....regardless if it was collected or not, the network operator has to pay transport fees on it. Which means Telcoweb lost major money on this scam, not gained any.

Oh and based on your fucked up logic, perhaps we should go after AT&T too since they handled billing at the time and profited from it.

[Chupa]

... despite your somewhat hostile and defensive stance, they still failed to make redress, or prosecute the violators.

[nasko]

I was wondering why I'm not getting paid for the last pay periods and may be that's the reason...if they have problems may be they are holding the money as much as they can.

[Due]

I think the case looks worse than it actually is.
If the ass was burning that bad they would not have their #900's open now to receive calls from dialers.
At leat that is my guess

[Due]

Originally posted by nasko
I was wondering why I'm not getting paid for the last pay periods and may be that's the reason...if they have problems may be they are holding the money as much as they can.
That would make no sence to me. If I was in a situation where I might get all my funds phrozen I would pay as many webmasters as fast as possible to get that settled and I didn't need to worry about the government taking them

[nasko]

May be my case has nothing to do with the current situation.

Anyway the dialer are fucked up lately, first GIB and Varadox and now Telco. They are going down one by one.

[nasko]

I mean dialers not dialer ...

[stepin]

i think every one will be paid adam is a good guy and i have talked to him quite a bit today about it, it may delay them but they should be able to pay before long as , telcoweb is not a usa based company the ftc does not have power to seize any assets outside the usa ,so every one chill for a few days lets see whats happening


:bounce:

[stepin]

far as what you are saying nasko i think the usa will always be a pain in the ass as it is 80% of the money , i dont think they will ever stop the dialers as it makes way to much money

[candidpublishinginc]

Originally posted by Chupa
... despite your somewhat hostile and defensive stance, they still failed to make redress, or prosecute the violators.

Name me one sponsor that prosecutes cheaters.

Telcoweb terminated the violators, which is what any good sponsor would do.

[PnP]

Good idea, why should panic when the FTC hunts you? When they stop by your office and take all your papers and computers. No reason to panic, none at all. Whatever anyone has to say one way or another right now, looks like another dialer company bites the dust to me. And looks like they broke plenty of rules along the way.
“the FTC said the defendants violated the Pay-Per-Call Rule by not disclosing the cost of connecting to the Web site and by not providing an audio introductory disclosure message when consumers connected to the Internet through the 900-number.”

How one is supposed to have an audio warning with a dialer is news to me. But in any case, read the pdf documents and it’s clear that Telcoweb is fucked. It may not be fair , but that’s just the way things look like they are heading. Let’s just hope for all their hard work and trouble the Telcoweb guys actually get to keep all the money they made and not have to pay back consumers and spend it all on lawyers. Candid – watch out, there is a recurring theme here. Once you get enough volume, the FTC comes to get ya! :finger:
The whole Verity/GIB thing comes to mind, and now Telco gets it’s turn on the whipping post.
Maybe Candid is next! Is that why you seem so jumpy, all that cash dumped into a network only
To see them going down one by one – whoops! Maybe you should of bought a nice beachhouse instead of a dialer network.
:D

The only thing you can do is laugh. Laugh, laugh , laugh. Yahoo-Connection-Starter.exe ……LOL.
What a circus !

[Chupa]

Besides, AT&T isn't responsible for the distribution of the dialer NOR are they responsible for the content, including the advertising used to promote a service. The service that operates the dialer is.

And what happens to your profit equation, Candid, when you add in international calls? After all, there are no chargebacks on international. Telco shuts down the "violators", but because the international billing system is "full recourse" Telco still gets the check.

They'll get their day in court. Something tells me that simply pointing the finger at someone else is not going to make the bad men go away. Though I understand that some people are quicker to take this tack than others, I can assure you it is not a high on the top ten list of federal litigation defense strategies.

In the meantime, if you really wish to be informed about the subject, read the court order. It says everything that needs to be said about the subject.

[horndog45]

Telco has always been a great company!!

They treat webmasters very well. The only thing I have to worry about is am I going to get my next dialer payment. I know one re-seller that has not been paid yet for his 1-15th March minutes from Telco.

Now with the FTC freezing their accounts, I am sure they are not going to pay. How can they if there accounts are frozen??

Candid:
I totally agree with you that:
"I know for a FACT that Telcoweb is innocent in this matter."
Even if they are innocent, they still can't pay us on time for our traffic. Any case that goes up in front of the FTC will take several months to resolve. My host and other bills will not take the excuss the FTC has some of the money owed to me frozen and I will pay it when they release it.


** Nice new board ***

Horndog!

[daPimp]

niteline, gib/verity, telcoweb - though telcoweb is/was a great company.... the FTC prosecutions have always ended bad in the past.... bad as webmasters not getting paid.

This time seems like Telcoweb can't be blamed for what's happening, so all telcoweb resellers/webmasters keep your fingers crossed that this will get solved soon!

Hate seeing the Govt fucking up a good business! :(

[Chupa]

The Washington Post story reports that their assets have already been frozen.

It also states that, in addition to the FTC, Yahoo is suing them as well.

The redress claims against them are in the neighborhood of $11,000,000 ... seems like one whopper of an isolated incident or collection of incidents. How did a couple of "kids" manage to bilk Telcoweb for $11M and no one heard a word about it? Seems they would seek some sort of redress against the violators for an amount so significant.

The article also stated that no one from BTV industries could be located for comment. Hmm... imagine that.

[candidpublishinginc]

Chupa AKA one post wonder,

Remember what kimmykim said about not believing everything you read in the news? Yeah it applies here too.

When they say 11 million, that seems to match Telcoweb's gross minutes billed.

These idiots are mixing the gross minutes billed to an isolated scam incident.

[Ztik]

I don't have enough time to read all these post so please excuse me if this info has already been posted.

This is what I know:
BTV Industries is not telcoweb
Payments are delayed due to a wire taking an unusualy long time from europe, Last thing I heard it was intransit and should be in soon.

[candidpublishinginc]

Originally posted by Ztik
I don't have enough time to read all these post so please excuse me if this info has already been posted.

This is what I know:
BTV Industries is not telcoweb
Payments are delayed due to a wire taking an unusualy long time from europe, Last thing I heard it was intransit and should be in soon.

BTV IS a division of Telcoweb. Other corporations that are owned by Telcoweb are Telepay Limited and some others which I forget.

[Ztik]

That is just information that I got from telco.

[Due]

Wonder how the spammers hold time where :confused:
I would guess someone that thought they where about to write their address to get a Playstation but instead got a a pair of tits wouldn't stay long :bounce:

[unconnected]

I think some of you could better yourselves by going over your english a few times, and maybe looking up the meanings of some business terms(as that is what we claim to be - businessmen, and women) ..
When the FTC freeze assets(temporarily) as done here, it is nothing even remotely similar to them 'shutting down' a company.. As this threads title so aptly puts it.. The FTC is trying to flex its muscles again no doubt, and is blatently mis-informed and very out of touch with this business and are taking misguided actions to rectify a situation that they have no ground rectifying as it has already been rectified.. Telcoweb is not gone, and won't be gone for a very very very long time as it is one of the very few companies that is anal about playing by the rules and doing everything in their power to prevent anything like this from happening in the first place.. This is going to be resolved quicker that it started, no doubt with the FTC placing an apology as they find out how off base they are..
There are two words that are and always have been sinomous with Telcoweb, Reliable and Secure. They would never jeapordize the long term benifits of this business by not preventing bullshit like this,and anything that suggest otherwise is just being ludicrous..

Calm down and take a look at what is going on before you start beaking off

[candidpublishinginc]

Well said unconnected

[Chupa]

I have been over it again and again, and fail to see where unconnected actually SAID anything. It sounds like mostly supposition & diversion. OH! That's why candid agreed!

You can read this thread, which is filled with the biased opinions of a few mouthpieces, or you could actually read the court documents, since the defendants will be held to that high standard, rather than the one set here.

Candid said:
"The kids who participated in this scam had their accounts terminated by Telcoweb a long time ago. The fact that the FTC has to bring it up now makes me fucking sick."

$11M dollars... those are some kids, just walking all OVER the "state of the art" Telcoweb network to the tune of $11M. Just a little digital joyride... no harm done, right? LOL

Candid also said:
"It wasn't Telcoweb."

Does this mean you have first hand knowledge of the crime? I am sure the FTC would love to hear your testimony then.

And:
"It was a bunch of idiotic kids who did it under Telcoweb's nose. They had NO WAY of knowing that this happened until it was too late because these kids hacked their dialer and hosted it themselves."

That's right... those bungling boobs at the "state of the art" network center must have been twisted in knots trying to figure out this tedious puzzler. Those tricky kids! Nothing fucks up a state of the art network faster than a couple of well-heeled pranksters walking out with $11M.

You guys are hilarious, not just because of the things you say, but because you really expect people to believe them.

[candidpublishinginc]

Listen Troll boy,

Explain to me how you're supposed to keep track of what website a standalone exe is supposed to be on?

The only way to keep track of that is via referring urls via a plugin dialer...but these kids hosted the exe themselves which makes it a lot harder to track. It would take 1-2 months more to track down a cheater if they're hosting their own dialer.

Furthermore the 11 million dollar figure the news sites say is complete bullshit. I KNOW it's complete bullshit. They're taking Telcoweb's gross revenues and calling that the amount stolen when the scam thing was an isolated 3 month incident.

Of course you're a mindless zomebie, so I take it you'll believe everything the news media and government says.

You know ZERO about the dialer industry and the audiotext industry. Stop trying to play expert here, because you're not.

[WiredGuy]

I'm really surprised dialerking hasn't posted a comment on this yet.

WG

[candidpublishinginc]

WG,

Shhhh....you're going to jinx the thread! :D

[playa]

Originally posted by WiredGuy
I'm really surprised dialerking hasn't posted a comment on this yet.

WG


he already did,,,
needless to say if it was that bad,, FTC would of shut down everything,, hence the reason why we are still getting US minutes

[dialerking]

Did someone say dialerking?

We welcome All telcoweb clients!!!!
No comments on this telcoweb thing. I think it all speaks for itself.

Anybody heard the lattest on gib? Would like to hear an upadate.

We should have a dialer r.i.p section :p

[AngelLED]

How is it possible to just go to the url and be charged w/o the people knowing? Is this something Teleco allows?

[unconnected]

In fact Mr. pre-pubescent smart ass we know the exact details of the crime, and telcoweb has pages of legal documents documenting the entire event, and yes the FTC is interested in looking them over, as they will.. They will be assisting the FTC and complying with their every wish to the best of their abilities..

The crime itself was something along the lines of this:
A 17 year old punk started using his grandmothers computer and internet connection to start the little 'free playstation' scam. As soon as telcoweb received the first complaint the account was shut down(about 18 hours after it was activated) and the actual 900 number that was handling the billing was completely shut down 24 hours later. The little boy was soon caught and he signed a full confession, which is all documented by telcoweb's lawyers.

Lo/Ad also documents every single little bitty thing, and once the FTC takes a close look at all the documents at hand I have no doubt that they will be impressed with how telcoweb handled the entire situation..

Another thing for anyone thinking to take this threads title to heart is that the FTC regulates and has duristriction in the United States. Unfortunately the FTC's main mis-understanding is that the entire world is NOT the USA.. They cannot freeze Telcoweb's assets nor shut them down if they are not based out of the United states, so it is a little bit difficult to think that they can reach out and shut down anyone they want in the world..

Minutes are still pumping in strong as ever with the best dialer in the world, so there is no reason to fret or worry or create a 'dialer rip' section, unless the king himself plans to rule the underworld from now on...

[Samuel]

As i told you friends, we're at the end of the big project xxxeurodialer.com. We have relations and connections with many companys and Telcoweb as well. We try to make bigest rates, and 100% up time, that's why we connect our project to many companys. SO, i just get the answer from them about all this and ofcouse our relations.Here it is:
"...We are in process of launching a new dialer product and with it a new rate card will be issued raising the rates in some of the countries for you..." Everything OK!
So, i'll let you know, when we're ready, that you can try us. ;-)

Thanks.

P.S. Any ideas, that we can implement in our project, plz send me private message.

[dialerking]

Originally posted by unconnected


The crime itself was something along the lines of this:
A 17 year old punk started using his grandmothers computer and internet connection to start the little 'free playstation' scam. As soon as telcoweb received the first complaint the account was shut down(about 18 hours after it was activated) and the actual 900 number that was handling the billing was completely shut down 24 hours later. The little boy was soon caught and he signed a full confession, which is all documented by telcoweb's lawyers.



Well according to the ftc it went for 8 months not 24hrs and $11 million was involved.

this is from yahoo news
url: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020424/ts_nm/tech_spam_dc_5

"The consumer-protection agency will seek to recover the $11 million that the operation took in between May and December of last year, Beales said. Some of that money has already been refunded by AT&T Corp ., which administered the 1-900 numbers, an FTC official said.

[pr0view]

well, it goes as simply as that - ftc is after the top of the hill. when you are there, you have a big profit but also an enormous chunk of responsibility. if course telcoweb is not guilty for you. but they are guilty from the state's point of view because someone has to be guilty and it's better be the big guy.

when you run a major business, you have to take into consideration all such allegations. remember aol vs cen? the same happens here. there's no fairness when millions are playing. you don't like it? don't go there. you like the money? better be ready for situations like this one.

[Happy]

Can anyone from Telcoweb, or WebmasterCommerce comment on all this?? In case telco will not work anylonger, and the money owed to us will not be paid, what other dialers can be considered? Except for dialerking, varadox, gib, niteline, that we know about? Is there any other dialer (left)? :embarrase

[Samuel]

As i told you friends, we're at the end of the big project xxxeurodialer.com. We have relations and connections with many companys and Telcoweb as well. We try to make bigest rates, and 100% up time, that's why we connect our project to many companys. SO, i just get the answer from them about all this and ofcouse our relations.Here it is:
"...We are in process of launching a new dialer product and with it a new rate card will be issued raising the rates in some of the countries for you..." Everything OK!
So, i'll let you know, when we're ready, that you can try us. ;-)

Thanks.

P.S. Any ideas, that we can implement in our project, plz send me private message.

[toker]

STFU spammer boy this is about "telcoweb" not "xxxeurodialer" so take your punk ass spam elsewhere...

Im sure Telcoweb would not be to happy you spamming this thread with your crap either even if you do have small ties to them. Obviously no one gives a shit or they would have already replied to the other spam you posted earlier dumb ass.

[Samuel]

>toker I copy the message from telcomweb!!! OK?

[ICUUCME]

The ones in the middle of this agree with the FTC that spam and deceptive advertising is wrong. However it is only one person who has spoiled it for the rest.

I can gurantee there's a team of executives and attorneys and various associations through out the adult and pay-per call industry working around the clock.

The best indicator that this isn't a slam dunk for the FTC is that the network is still up and this hasn't affected traffic.

When we prevail over this we will be at the top of the hill.

Hang in there and thanks for the positive comments and support.

No one is hiding and we are fighting for your money and ours,


signed , "very close to the top of the hill"

[Terrance11]

you're all worrying over nothing. If the ftc does freeze telcoweb, then the worst that will happen is that you'll receive a few late paychecks. None of this situation was under the control of telco, and since the person that did it admitted to it in full, they can take responsibilities of this person's action.

I just wonder what will happen to the person that sent all of these fake e-mails :p

[Terrance11]

Originally posted by Terrance11
they can take responsibilities of this person's action.



I mean they can't :bounce:

[candidpublishinginc]

Originally posted by dialerking


Well according to the ftc it went for 8 months not 24hrs and $11 million was involved.

this is from yahoo news
url: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020424/ts_nm/tech_spam_dc_5

"The consumer-protection agency will seek to recover the $11 million that the operation took in between May and December of last year, Beales said. Some of that money has already been refunded by AT&T Corp ., which administered the 1-900 numbers, an FTC official said.

Bruce.

The 11 million dollar thing is a sack of shit and you know it. The FTC report nor the news article mentioned the webmaster that ran the scam. Further more, you know that the 11 million dollar figure is what Telcoweb grossed TOTAL on their U.S. minutes, and had nothing to do with that isolated scam incident.

You were advertising your dialer as FREE on your own banners on sextracker so I'm pretty sure your 7.99 per minute dialer is next.

[candidpublishinginc]

Originally posted by Chupa
Besides, AT&T isn't responsible for the distribution of the dialer NOR are they responsible for the content, including the advertising used to promote a service. The service that operates the dialer is.

Lo/ad isn't responsible for the distribution of the dialer either, yet they got named. All lo/ad does is supply the 900 numbers.

[dialerking]

candid,
We only go by the printed facts.



Oh one more thing...

We tested your candid clicks up against lensmans exitmoney.
Exitmoney made more than 3 times what yours did!!
You do not use a 3rd party simply because you shave.
Cmon michael just admit it. You do shave it is so obvious to an experienced webmaster.

If you dont shave, go on and use ctc as a 3rd party and lets see!
I bet you will come back with same lame excuse for not using a 3rd party. If you want we can post the results up here so all can see. :p

lets see the excuse you come back with.....

[horndog45]

This really sucks for telco!!!! They treated us well!!

These are the facts as I know it:
1. I know I am not going to get paid on time! :(
2. I know at least one re-seller that has not been paid for minutes that should have been paid before this came down yesterday.
3. There is no way telco is going to be able to make the next payment, because their funds are frozen. Period!! :(
4. If I based my business on telco, I would not be able to pay my bills.
5. I am sure telco made a ton of money off this scam. Yes they probably had to give a lot back in charge backs, but I bet they still made some $$. (As the FTC said this was not a 24 hour thing it went on for several MONTHS, and if they had any fraud controls they should have pick up on this. It went on for MONTHS).
6. The last time some of the people at telco or affilated with telco got in trouble with the FTC they never paid. They just took the money and ran! Remember DialerProgram.com!!

Instead of people spreading rumors, lets go with the facts. If there is anything wrong, here please let me know!!

Horndog!!

[candidpublishinginc]

Originally posted by dialerking

Oh one more thing...

We tested your candid clicks up against lensmans exitmoney.
Exitmoney made more than 3 times what yours did!!
You do not use a 3rd party simply because you shave.
Cmon michael just admit it. You do shave it is so obvious to an experienced webmaster.

If you dont shave, go on and use ctc as a 3rd party and lets see!
I bet you will come back with same lame excuse for not using a 3rd party. If you want we can post the results up here so all can see. :p

lets see the excuse you come back with.....

Hey Retard,

First of all Lensman doesn't own exitmoney, that's owned by Octav.

Second, I never saw you sign up. What's you're Candid Cliicks account there bigshot? Or is this another lie like the time you lied about how we stole your discliamer, or all of the other obvious lies you posted?

Comparing a non blind click thru sponsor like amateur pages to a blind link program is absurd, but we all know you're a moron and love to throw mud.

We pay for second page clicks, your "test" which I doubt you did proves nothing. Different traffic pulls differently on different gateways. Our gateways were designed for blind traffic.

I had webmasters that left me cause they did better with offshoreclicks and webmasters that came to me cause they did better with candid clicks for example.

[offshoreclicks]

Dialerking, I agree with candid. Assuming you are talking about AP and not exitmoney(?) you are comparing 2 totally different programs, on the one hand candids second page blind program (same as ours is) to APs program which is not blind. All traffic is different, some does better with some programs than others, I'm sure the webmasters know this and choose sponsor accordingly. We have also seen the exact same thing as candid, webmasters choosing them instead of us because their traffic does better there, and the other way around.

[reversesms]

>>5. I am sure telco made a ton of money off this scam. Yes they >>probably had to give a lot back in charge backs, but I bet they >>still made some $$. (As the FTC said this was not a 24 hour >>thing it went on for several MONTHS, and if they had any fraud >>controls they should have pick up on this. It went on for >>MONTHS).

I don`t think Telcoweb would jeapordise there position for quick cash.

>>6. The last time some of the people at telco or affilated with >>telco got in trouble with the FTC they never paid. They just >>took the money and ran! Remember DialerProgram.com!!

Unless I have my facts wrong which I may have as it was a long time ago, when Josh and myself were competing at the birth of the dialer industry we were both using the same dialer company and it wasn`t Telcoweb.

Stu.

http://www.CelebrityDialer.com/
http://www.SexDialer.com/
http://www.Reverse-Sms.com/

[unconnected]

The 11 million dollar figure was not the total for the scam, and I am saying it true when I said that the scam lasted under 24 hours..
The spams might have been going out after this but his account and the 900 billing route was shut down..

The signed confession and all the documents from lo/ad and telcoweb are more than enough to satisfy the FTC.. The worst I could forsee happening is the FTC requiring a small slush account incase this happened again as a security measure so that they can go home and tell the public that they 'took care of business' ..
There is no way that telcoweb is going down at all, and minutes are still rocking.. The payments might go out a little late but that is the only affects you will feel

[nasko]

Originally posted by unconnected
The 11 million dollar figure was not the total for the scam, and I am saying it true when I said that the scam lasted under 24 hours..
The spams might have been going out after this but his account and the 900 billing route was shut down..

The signed confession and all the documents from lo/ad and telcoweb are more than enough to satisfy the FTC.. The worst I could forsee happening is the FTC requiring a small slush account incase this happened again as a security measure so that they can go home and tell the public that they 'took care of business' ..
There is no way that telcoweb is going down at all, and minutes are still rocking.. The payments might go out a little late but that is the only affects you will feel

I hope you are right, we will see that within the next few weeks...

[BrianWC]

Candid,

why do you continue to waste your time arguing with DK? lol.

He just said, and I quote, "We only go by the printed facts."

"We only go...." Go where?

I'm assuming he's joking, but based on his past posts over the years, he's probably not, which also means he reads the National Inquirer and believes everything that's printed there too.

The fact is that Telco caught the kid from complaints and not only shut down the whole reseller site that this kid was under, but also terminated the telephone number. Only 115 bucks were made after the termination. Telco will be fine. It's sad that they have to deal with this because of one punk, but that's part of the game.

"Facts" to DK are obviously based on what info is in front of him, not what's actually 'factual'.

DK claims to know a lot, but it's apparent to everyone with a brain, that he doesn't know jack shit about anything but dialers, and what he knows about dialers ain't shit either.

And DK, how are your other businesses/sites doing? Oh shit, nm, my bad.....you don't have any. :p

[playa]

don't forget lets use the common sense factor,,,

11 million dollars from one spammer!!!

lets be real

[candidpublishinginc]

Good news from Lo/Ad.

They stated that all of their clients....audiotext and dialer networks....will still be paid on time. This means Telcoweb will still continue to be paid for all minutes.

It appears that Telcoweb is run by a new management company that's not BTV Industries (Even though the old management is still in charge obviously) so it appears Telcoweb will be able to pay all of their resellers and webmasters on time too.

So again, don't worry and don't take down your Telcoweb dialers, it's gonna be okay.

[efp]

The FTC Statement says the spam said free, but afterall it was not free.

If someone is just sending traffic to Telcowebs greatplugin.com website, and they get the dialer, which is already showing up a girl banner at the top, plus it says how much it costs in the dialer too ...
how can someone tell that he did not know? Of course it's not legal to use the word FREE in connection with a dialer, but afterall it's a SPAM Problem then, and not a problem concerning the company itself.

But I don't know all the details about it. Was just a comment.
Adam, I hope you are able to solve the problem, wish you good luck.

greetings
efp

[playa]

Originally posted by efp
The FTC Statement says the spam said free, but afterall it was not free.

If someone is just sending traffic to Telcowebs greatplugin.com website, and they get the dialer, which is already showing up a girl banner at the top, plus it says how much it costs in the dialer too ...
how can someone tell that he did not know? Of course it's not legal to use the word FREE in connection with a dialer, but afterall it's a SPAM Problem then, and not a problem concerning the company itself.

But I don't know all the details about it. Was just a comment.
Adam, I hope you are able to solve the problem, wish you good luck.

greetings
efp


exactly,,, FTC needs to stop holding dumb ass consumers hand,,,
i never seen the email but obivously if it says download this software to get your prize and you see a porno banner with terms and conditions stating dialing a 900 number,,

well some people just have to be a little smarter

[Machine]

Personally Id like to find the fucking spammer that started all this shit and just beat the holy fuck out of him.

That kid would have nightmares about me the rest of his life.

[MikeW]

I talked to Mary at telcoweb this afternoon. Telcos funds are not frozen they can pay if they wanted to but this would be seen as a criminal act so they'll wait. There will be a press release within 48 hours explaining everything. Her attitude was that this is a very serious problem; not a hopeless case, but definitely not trivial

[Due]

Originally posted by MikeW
I talked to Mary at telcoweb this afternoon. Telcos funds are not frozen they can pay if they wanted to but this would be seen as a criminal act so they'll wait. There will be a press release within 48 hours explaining everything. Her attitude was that this is a very serious problem; not a hopeless case, but definitely not trivial
I don't understand how it would seem like a criminal act to pay their webmasters and brokers :confused:
Good to hear everyone will be paid though :)

[Doctor Dre]

Originally posted by WC Staff
Candid,

why do you continue to waste your time arguing with DK? lol.

He just said, and I quote, "We only go by the printed facts."

"We only go...." Go where?

I'm assuming he's joking, but based on his past posts over the years, he's probably not, which also means he reads the National Inquirer and believes everything that's printed there too.

The fact is that Telco caught the kid from complaints and not only shut down the whole reseller site that this kid was under, but also terminated the telephone number. Only 115 bucks were made after the termination. Telco will be fine. It's sad that they have to deal with this because of one punk, but that's part of the game.

"Facts" to DK are obviously based on what info is in front of him, not what's actually 'factual'.

DK claims to know a lot, but it's apparent to everyone with a brain, that he doesn't know jack shit about anything but dialers, and what he knows about dialers ain't shit either.

And DK, how are your other businesses/sites doing? Oh shit, nm, my bad.....you don't have any. :p

he don't beleive what he hear he just takes what's good for him and bash others as much as possible ...

[Jon]

*Grabs Popcorn*

Jon

[Due]

Originally posted by Jon
*Grabs Popcorn*

Jon
That's a bit late isn't it? :D

[Jon]

Originally posted by Due

That's a bit late isn't it? :D

Perhaps but never to late for...

http://www.freegallerysearch.com/dew.gif

Jon

[Due]

Originally posted by Jon


Perhaps but never to late for...

http://www.freegallerysearch.com/dew.gif

Jon
Damn we can't get them in Denmark :(
You should send a few over with Fedex :D
Anywhere they can be bought online? :bounce:

[Anthony Raff]

I'm not using telco anymore... but is it true Telco was changing termination points every now and then and keeps the rebilling on the old termination points without paying it out to webmasters?


Anthony

[Due]

wow that sounds serious. I hope that is not true? :confused:

[swdesigns]

I really wish someone from Telco would post here themselves or something to let us know what is TRUELY going on. I mean we are providing a service for them and should be getting paid. I think we have a right to know what is really going on and when we will be getting paid. Or if they would post something on their website about what is going on or something.

[Jon]

Originally posted by swdesigns
I really wish someone from Telco would post here themselves or something to let us know what is TRUELY going on. I mean we are providing a service for them and should be getting paid. I think we have a right to know what is really going on and when we will be getting paid. Or if they would post something on their website about what is going on or something.

I really wish someone would offer refreshments on this post

:(

Jon

[Will]

Don't they have court on the 29th?

[swdesigns]

I can offer ya some LOL. What would ya like ... chips, pretzels, popcorn, soda, beer ... whatever ya want, I'll get it for ya :D

[BrianWC]

Originally posted by Jon


I really wish someone would offer refreshments on this post

:(

Jon


http://www.webmastercommerce.com/brian/beer.jpg

:)

[Slickman]

I hope that it's not gonna be too long, I'm owed a few hundred bucks from a reseller. The thing that I wish that the FCC would understand is that there's HUNDREDS of people that need to get paid from Telco.

I bet that this is gonna kill a lot of Telco business. I know that I already yanked down all of their links from my pages. I might put them back up, BUT if this new dialer proves to give me more minutes and they have higher payouts, then I might not go back to them. I'm sure that others think this way, so they're gonna loose a LOT of business.

[candidpublishinginc]

It's the FTC not FCC.

[Will]

Does any have an estimate on how long it could take before this court thing is over? Or how long these FTC things usualy take?

[Shannon]

When Max Cash had their case turned over it took 4 or so weeks if I remember correctly.

[shane94]

Originally posted by Shannon
When Max Cash had their case turned over it took 4 or so weeks if I remember correctly.

Yeah Maxcash was 1 month late then it took about 2 months for them to get back on perfect schedule.

Shane

[minerva]

Yes Maxcash paid it's webmasters 1 month late, I haven't seen them offering any dialers lately. I can remember being stiffed by GIB for all minutes when Verity had it's assets frozen, and yes the FTC can freeze overseas assets.
I hope that Telcoweb wins the case and pays it's webmasters. What if they lose by chance? Or what if they go 'bankrupt' afterwards like GIB, excuse me for being paranoid, but I don't like being fucked out of $10k by anyone and GIB did that to me, and now the FTC could fuck me out of $10k again, is it tax deductable?

[basschick]

minerva, how can the ftc freeze overseas money? they can freeze telco's account (if in the u.s.) so they can't receive, but the rest of the world does not answer to the u.s. government.

[minerva]

I'm not 100% sure if the FTC can freeze oversees assets, I think they did in the Verity case. I am pretty sure that Verity was an overseas company and their bank was in the UK, my memory isn't that good : )
I haven't received any e-mails or notifications about what's going on with the telcoweb dialer, maybe it's because of my reseller. He's off of ICQ and no reply on e-mail, are there any telcoweb resellers that can give us some information?

[minerva]

I would also like to know what date the assets were frozen. I would love to have some input from telcoweb resellers. The one I know has dissappeared off the face of the Earth.

[shane94]

My last payment for Telco dialers was for the period of April16-April28. That is all the news that I have at this time.

Shane

[MikeW]

To my understanding (from talking with Telco reps) their accounts are not frozen but rather Telco is temporarily banned from providing funds to webmasters to make payroll. If they did provide payroll during this investigation it was be considered an illegal act and that would be, er bad.

[minerva]

Hi Shane I'm looking for the payment that's for the minutes from March 1 through March 15. That should have been here on April 21st with a wire. Nothing then nothing now.

[minerva]

I don't think the resellers got paid before the 30 day delay?

[shane94]

Originally posted by minerva
I don't think the resellers got paid before the 30 day delay?

If the reseller paid via telcos pay schedule then no you would not have been paid. I paid 2 weeks ahead of time and just sent out payment again for March 16-March31 when I learned Telco was in trouble. So I would also like this to be resolved ASAP so I can colect my payouts.

Shane