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Hi lately I have been having the biggest traffic problems with my cj2 sites. They used to run smooth at 30-50k/day but they went down and I keep making new designs and testing them but they dont go over 20k now =(
Do the same surfers come to my site that the designs dont work or why? I really do not understand why
freexxxusa
05-30-2002, 09:04 PM
its best to find a good design and stick to it!
why fuck up a good thing!
Yes, instead make another complete site... and then compare...
well dont u think I did that hehe? the design seemed to not work after some time.
Wilbo
05-30-2002, 09:09 PM
I've made 3 CJ sites in the last week, gonna make it 4. Then when I get done I'm going to tweak and adjust each one until I hit upon a good formula. Then the 2nd stage of my master plan will be rolled out...........
Hi what are your cj2 sites? please let me know so we can trade as I there are barely any good cj2's out there anymore. If you can send me icq message would be best 63125103 or if u dont have icq email me at webmaster@wowdialer.com
thanks
unconnected
05-31-2002, 02:28 AM
They lack bookmarkers so that is definitely an added strain on growth..
What is your url?
I can trade with you too
Because webmasters mostly doing TGP sites, with a lot of content, looks like cj2 sites dropped, cause they are trading mostly with cj2 sites, and there surfers can't find any galleries and close sites, this is main problem, we need to switch to CJ2 aor Cj sites but not making more TGP's , why surfers would pay if they could get all 4 free ?, if i'm looking at my traders, i can see about 70% sites with real galleries content, i'm 100% sure if i would have 70% traders with Cj2 sites, my prod would be much better, more webmasters switched to TGP cause they have found auto gallery repeaters, and they needn't hardly review their galleries every day, it's very easy way to get traffic, but 100% bullshit traffic, You can't earn with this traffic, i don't say nothing what i have not tested, i say this because i have it verified, and had TGP, and i sold it, now i have only CJ2 site.
You who will making more these shitty shites, thank You for future :mad:
Originally posted by Nima
Hi lately I have been having the biggest traffic problems with my cj2 sites. They used to run smooth at 30-50k/day but they went down and I keep making new designs and testing them but they dont go over 20k now =(
Do the same surfers come to my site that the designs dont work or why? I really do not understand why
If you create a design to a niche cj2, after it has been up for a while the surfers know that design and know that it is only blind links so they just close the site adn move on
quotealex
05-31-2002, 08:36 AM
Originally posted by Thor
If you create a design to a niche cj2, after it has been up for a while the surfers know that design and know that it is only blind links so they just close the site adn move on
Hence the reason why webmasters are kinda of forced to eventually convert their cj2 sites into tgp or cj2/tgp hybrid.
Originally posted by quotealex
Hence the reason why webmasters are kinda of forced to eventually convert their cj2 sites into tgp or cj2/tgp hybrid.
or are forced to make new designs so they have several frontpages
Zatlther
05-31-2002, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by MiOb
looks like cj2 sites dropped, cause they are trading mostly with cj2 sites, and there surfers can't find any galleries and close sites, this is main problem
This sounds like a contradiction. :) You imply that we should only make cj* sites. But you also explain why cj* site traffic dies. the surfer just closes the site, so how are we to make money off of a site that is closed by the surfer? I agree with you that sites with high content are harmful to us but how else are we supposed to attract the surfer? I tried to reach a middle ground. Offer some content and keep it very softcore.
fresh
05-31-2002, 11:02 AM
Bad idea was giving content on cj2 sites. We give surfers what they want - free porn. It makes productivity better but only for a while. Now surfer want more free porn. And if cj2 site don't give links to galleries it's hard to have good productivity.
Nobody wants to click on cj2 site without a content :( CJ2 with content it's closer to tgp than to cj2 site...
RonaldM
05-31-2002, 01:36 PM
With so many tgps around, I'm not surprised that cj2 sites traffic is dropping...
Stacked
05-31-2002, 01:36 PM
I think you just need to do alot of redesigns, 1 a week or so, so the surfer does no9t get bored of your site, also having some content is good to, just not the good stuff, thats for the sponsors :)
evilc
05-31-2002, 03:03 PM
I would say teh idea is to keep redesigning your main page..so the surfer is tricked into thinking that this is a new site
Also it is important to see which sites you trade with....You have to have some content in the ring of sites that you trade with, else teh surfer will just forget you and go try some other source.....
A third thing is having an external source of traffic..you need at least 20% of your traffic coming from non-trades..like search engines, bookmarkers(diff for cj sites) or somethig else...
My 2 cents:bounce:
freexxxusa
05-31-2002, 03:14 PM
Does any one pump traffic from there tgp into a cj2 site, i recently thought about doing this, any doing this here
fresh
05-31-2002, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by evilc
I would say teh idea is to keep redesigning your main page..so the surfer is tricked into thinking that this is a new site
Easiest way is to have multiple main pages. I think is the most important thing when you have more than 20k traffic... And most of trading scripts allow to have multiple main pages.
Originally posted by freexxxusa
Does any one pump traffic from there tgp into a cj2 site, i recently thought about doing this, any doing this here
I use my other cj2's to pump new cj2's, and I use cj2's to pump tgp's, but not the other way around, that would fuck with my bookmarkers
Stacked
05-31-2002, 05:50 PM
Very true, I keep the traffic in the same tryp of site, for ex. I use cj traffic to boost ur other / new cj sites.
yo all peeps here list your cj2 sites
I had as many as 7 designs rotating but still was not doing so well. It did do very well for a week but then it didnt and I made several new designs but it just would not work anymore. Anyways if u can trade 1k+ with your CJ2 contact me 63125103
:)
aw-tolik
05-31-2002, 11:48 PM
yep
too much tgps arround what dont have enought traffic and too much gallerys
they kill cj biz
fuck
and no one does anything about it.
freexxxusa
06-01-2002, 12:08 AM
thats like trying to stop a train....its not going but uphill, all it takes is a creative person to be successful design/market/advertise=$$$
Originally posted by Nima
yo all peeps here list your cj2 sites
I had as many as 7 designs rotating but still was not doing so well. It did do very well for a week but then it didnt and I made several new designs but it just would not work anymore. Anyways if u can trade 1k+ with your CJ2 contact me 63125103
:)
This my CJ2 site...
http://www.topqualityxxx.com/index.html
Originally posted by GFED
This my CJ2 site...
http://www.topqualityxxx.com/index.html
Your site is down:(
Originally posted by MiOb
Your site is down:(
I hate my host... :mad:
hmm that looks like a TGP hehe
Originally posted by Nima
hmm that looks like a TGP hehe
right, I wouldt think that the productivity is very high on that design, but you never know, what works for some dosnt work for others
Wilbo
06-01-2002, 06:02 PM
If it's not supposed to look like a TGP then what is it supposed to look like? Someone throw a CJ newbie a bone here please. :confused: :confused:
hmm I am not a CJ newbie dude hahah I have good high traffic
when I said it looks like a TGP I meant that it has almost all content and no blind links and no thumbs nor popups
and that to me is a TGP and not a CJ
Wilbo
06-01-2002, 07:31 PM
I didn't mean you were a newbie Nima, I meant I was. I'm just trying to pick up some info here. No disrespect intended.
oh oops sorry about that my apologies to you as well. Let me know if ya need any tips and such
we need more CJ2's!! :)
Originally posted by Nima
hmm that looks like a TGP hehe
Isn't a CJ2 just a TGP with some blind links?? I'm lost... :confused:
quotealex
06-01-2002, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by GFED
Isn't a CJ2 just a TGP with some blind links?? I'm lost... :confused:
If you add content to your CJ2, then yes it is.
Originally posted by quotealex
If you add content to your CJ2, then yes it is.
OK...
CJ - has no content just trades.
CJ2 - some content and trades
TGP - no trades just content.
TGP - no trades less content.
Is this correct?
quotealex
06-01-2002, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by GFED
OK...
CJ - has no content just trades.
CJ2 - some content and trades
TGP - no trades just content.
TGP - no trades less content.
Is this correct?
Not exactly.
CJ - popup hell.
CJ2 - no entrance console, on exit only.
TGP - non-blind trade with content.
TGP - blind trade with content.
Many CJ2 have content and many TGP have blind links.
Originally posted by quotealex
Not exactly.
CJ - popup hell.
CJ2 - no entrance console, on exit only.
TGP - non-blind trade with content.
TGP - blind trade with content.
Many CJ2 have content and many TGP have blind links.
Gracias Amigo :D
cj2 with content is considered more of a tgp than a cj2 since the ones that have content usually send to content 60%+
Forcer
06-02-2002, 01:51 AM
CJ2s are going down because fuckers like me run TGPs :embarrase
exactly LOL and its way too far to turn it around unless lets say 100 webmasters decide to 1 day turn their tgp's into more cj and less content then we should see more traffic and money
Originally posted by Nima
exactly LOL and its way too far to turn it around unless lets say 100 webmasters decide to 1 day turn their tgp's into more cj and less content then we should see more traffic and money
I'd be up for that ;)
quotealex
06-02-2002, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by Nima
cj2 with content is considered more of a tgp than a cj2 since the ones that have content usually send to content 60%+
Excatly. As far as I'm concerned TGP with blind links and CJ2 with content are one and the same.
Wilbo
06-02-2002, 10:36 AM
Does a CJ2 with content make more than one without? I've never put any content on any of my CJs, but I was thinking of doing it on the next one just to experiment. Any thoughts from someone who's done it both ways?
Originally posted by Wilbo
Does a CJ2 with content make more than one without? I've never put any content on any of my CJs, but I was thinking of doing it on the next one just to experiment. Any thoughts from someone who's done it both ways?
Make more?
From my understanding a CJ site relies mostly Exit Traffic and very HIGH VOLUMES of it. CJs get TONS of traffic, but bad quality because of blind linking and endless jerking.
A CJ2 site has some content, you can use your own galleries and maybe sell a few memberships. CJ2s get less traffic than CJs, but the quality is a little better because you have a chance of people actually bookmarking your page.
I'm still a little foggy on TGP and TGP2, but I don't think they have blind links at all. The only difference is the # of pics you can put in your gallery. IMO, free content with no jerking should be a banned practice.
quotealex
06-02-2002, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by GFED
A CJ2 site has some content, you can use your own galleries and maybe sell a few memberships.
Some have content and others don't. Both CJ and CJ2 can have some content or both can have none. The difference is mainly on the amount of consoles and how and where they're placed.
Filipe
06-02-2002, 12:29 PM
Some people can't get a clue about CJs...
CJs don't get tons of traffic, but its quality is about 5x better than TGPs
Originally posted by Filipe
Some people can't get a clue about CJs...
CJs don't get tons of traffic, but its quality is about 5x better than TGPs
CJs are good quality? Everything I've read about the original CJ1 is that it is for "popup hell" and you can only make money with exit sponsors...
Filipe
06-02-2002, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by GFED
CJs are good quality? Everything I've read about the original CJ1 is that it is for "popup hell" and you can only make money with exit sponsors...
Nothing has good quality nowadays but TGPs are worse than anything.
A CJ1 doesn't have to be a popup hell. Many CJ2 with their exit sponsors are the real popup hell and I refuse to trade with some of them.
Originally posted by Filipe
Nothing has good quality nowadays but TGPs are worse than anything.
A CJ1 doesn't have to be a popup hell. Many CJ2 with their exit sponsors are the real popup hell and I refuse to trade with some of them.
Very true... Yes I hate popup hell too, but for my CJ it is OK. But anything that I want to get bookmarked I have a strict NO POPUP rule... no enter or exit of any kind.
A TGP is worse quality because the surfer is too used to getting free porn? They also use blind links to trades?
Sorry I keep asking the same questions, but everybody has different answers... :D
fresh
06-02-2002, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by GFED
A TGP is worse quality because the surfer is too used to getting free porn? They also use blind links to trades?
Sorry I keep asking the same questions, but everybody has different answers... :D
This is the main reason. Have you ever found a paysite which is daily updated in every category ? And gives to surfer 1000's of pics everyday ? Visit thehun - best "paysite" without spending a cent :D
quotealex
06-02-2002, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by Filipe
Nothing has good quality nowadays but TGPs are worse than anything...
TGP can be a good money maker if you can get webmasters to pay for banner, thumb and text link spots on the TGP:)
Originally posted by fresh
This is the main reason. Have you ever found a paysite which is daily updated in every category ? And gives to surfer 1000's of pics everyday ? Visit thehun - best "paysite" without spending a cent :D
Yes, but The Hun is a "real" TGP (with no blind links). So a trading script with a TGP gallery script does not make you a TGP, but a CJ2 right?
fresh
06-02-2002, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by GFED
Yes, but The Hun is a "real" TGP (with no blind links). So a trading script with a TGP gallery script does not make you a TGP, but a CJ2 right?
I think the main difference between cj2 and tgp is not using trading script or not, but % of clicks going to galleries. CJ2 sites don't have content (or send less than 50% to galleries) and have many links only to trades (thumbs, textlinks, etc. ). TGP sites send more than 50% to galleries and have no/only a few blind links.
Originally posted by fresh
I think the main difference between cj2 and tgp is not using trading script or not, but % of clicks going to galleries. CJ2 sites don't have content (or send less than 50% to galleries) and have many links only to trades (thumbs, textlinks, etc. ). TGP sites send more than 50% to galleries and have no/only a few blind links.
So that are all basically the same thing. I guess it's up to each trader what rules he makes and we just use the standards as a guideline. Do you know who creates the standards and is there a dedicated cj forum for it?
quotealex
06-02-2002, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by fresh
I think the main difference between cj2 and tgp is not using trading script or not, but % of clicks going to galleries. CJ2 sites don't have content (or send less than 50% to galleries) and have many links only to trades (thumbs, textlinks, etc. ). TGP sites send more than 50% to galleries and have no/only a few blind links.
Then TGP2 with their 65%+ skimming are nothing more than CJ:D
unconnected
06-02-2002, 02:20 PM
And I think the hun is about the only real TGP out there..
I mean most all TGP's have blind links on them..
it would be suicide these days not to...
And the hun is missing out in my mind..
sure this strategy worked wonders for him , but only because 50%of his traffic is probably site suckers, and the other half are bookmarkers because he has been around for so long. But just imagine if the guy traded traffic..
hell one perm link on that site to say world sex would be a 50-100k a day trade ..
makes no sense to me, a non-blind perm link isn't going to scare off any bookmarkers..
cscotb
06-02-2002, 02:27 PM
CJ2 is the way.. hopefully everybody will convert their sites.
The CJ2 alliance :-)
Za Ha
06-02-2002, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by unconnected
And I think the hun is about the only real TGP out there..
I mean most all TGP's have blind links on them..
it would be suicide these days not to...
And the hun is missing out in my mind..
sure this strategy worked wonders for him , but only because 50%of his traffic is probably site suckers, and the other half are bookmarkers because he has been around for so long. But just imagine if the guy traded traffic..
hell one perm link on that site to say world sex would be a 50-100k a day trade ..
makes no sense to me, a non-blind perm link isn't going to scare off any bookmarkers..
If it aint broke. Don t fix it!!
Originally posted by Forcer
CJ2s are going down because fuckers like me run TGPs :embarrase
:D then remove content and turn Your site to CJ2, u will earn more , it's 100% sure thing:cool:
manga
06-02-2002, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by GFED
CJs are good quality? Everything I've read about the original CJ1 is that it is for "popup hell" and you can only make money with exit sponsors...
When I used to run my cj sites I made all my money from my entrance console and used the exit consoles for trades.
then start some cj2's already!!! :p
kasst4s
06-02-2002, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by MiOb
:D then remove content and turn Your site to CJ2, u will earn more , it's 100% sure thing:cool:
It's good idea. Start site only for bookmarkers - no trade and such things. Update it daily and feed from other sites (maybee galleries, toplists, cj's or se's?) and when you'll get much bookmarkers then turn it to cj2 with some content. 10k bookmarkers is great extra traffic for new site :)
yeah, Cj2 sites are good way to future, no fucking ton's of consoles, autobookamrkers, or autohomepagers i hate it, just clean CJ2 sites max with 1 console, this is very thankful traffic not like TGP bullshit, don't create easy TGP sites with autorandom galleries:cool:
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