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code||die
06-04-2002, 06:59 AM
Ok, here's my idea:
All of you most likely know that p2p networks like Kazaa have huge numbers of users. Now, I thought of a way to take advantage of that:
First, I download a whole crapload of porn movies. (already have a few k movies on my hd, so that shouldn't be a problem :) )
Next, I change their descriptions/keywords/filenames/titles, so that they a) come up high in file searches and b) have my url in them. It would be a small amount of work to do this for a few hundred movies.
Then, I put on my computer, start kazaa, and leave it alone for a few days. Many people will download the files with my url in the description, and, in turn, share these files. Soon they'll be all over kazaa (know that from experience).
Next, I add another line to the descriptions, saying that people will find a huge amount of, for instance, quality teen movies, if they search for my url in kazaa (and they will, because I added my url to the descriptions of all them movies).
Now, my guess is that people who see a certain url often enough, will eventually also visit it. That would mean quite a nice bit of traffic for very little work, and the best thing is that I would only have to start it up, and after that it would continue by itself, since other people will be the ones sharing those files.
However, is this illegal? One might consider it copyright infringement, although it would be the same if I didn't add my url...
Dan S
06-04-2002, 07:13 AM
You might consider licensing some videos where you are allowed to edit such things...
Cyborg
06-04-2002, 07:22 AM
Sure you could do that if you shot your own movie...
Otherwise its illegal...
Contact people who shot the video and ask them this question see what they have to say :D
allsins
06-04-2002, 07:26 AM
If you own the exclusive rights to the movies you can. lets spam those freeloading mothafukas!
isn't the whole kazza concept illeagal anyway?
I mean, trading porn/mp3s/apps/games/movies/etc. Why would you worry about legalities in such an enviroment
code||die
06-04-2002, 07:31 AM
Well, buying content for the freeloaders on Kazaa who already don't care too much about copyrights seems a bit too expensive :)
The whole p2p thing is already on the edge between legal and illegal, and the movies/pictures/mp3s/etc on there are for 99% part absolutely not licensed, with descriptions reflecting people's opinions on the movies, rather than the name and such of the license owner.
merdoc
06-04-2002, 07:32 AM
Well people on Kazaa are people who are looking for FREE movies, so I don't think they will visit your site :D
code||die
06-04-2002, 07:37 AM
Actually, I think they might. You see, my site, ofcourse, is a free one, and offers the benefit of having sorted, categorized and filtered the contents already, unlike Kazaa, where you'll find viruses, child porn, dead files, files with wrong descriptions, and other shit you don't want.
code||die
06-04-2002, 08:05 AM
Hmmm...maybe a loophole in the law?
You just edit the descriptions of those vids for your own personal use, you are not distributing them, just have them on your HD. If people choose to download them, you have done absolutely nothing to promote that :)
(different from putting them on a site, because on a site you are explicitly publishing content on the WWW, whereas with kazaa, you just have it on your - personal - computer, and won't even be distributing it, because other people will take over with that...)
Zyber
06-04-2002, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by code||die
Hmmm...maybe a loophole in the law?
You just edit the descriptions of those vids for your own personal use, you are not distributing them, just have them on your HD. If people choose to download them, you have done absolutely nothing to promote that :)
(different from putting them on a site, because on a site you are explicitly publishing content on the WWW, whereas with kazaa, you just have it on your - personal - computer, and won't even be distributing it, because other people will take over with that...)
Geez you really believe that ?? Come on man, use common logic...
code||die
06-04-2002, 09:10 AM
Actually, common logic is the one thing you shouldn't use when dealing with the law. This was actually suggested by a friend of mine who's a lawyer...
toker
06-04-2002, 09:16 AM
Actually by adding your domain you are flagging yourself as the one who is distrubuting stolen content. Thats a really smart idea if you ask me just let them know which site so they can track you down easier.
code||die
06-04-2002, 09:25 AM
Well, it all depends on whether kazaa is legal or illegal. You see, if it is legal to download those things, change descriptions and share them with other users, this is legal as well. If one of those things is not, kazaa is illegal, and anyone using it is engaging in illegal activities.
Originally posted by code||die
Hmmm...maybe a loophole in the law?
You just edit the descriptions of those vids for your own personal use, you are not distributing them, just have them on your HD. If people choose to download them, you have done absolutely nothing to promote that :)
(different from putting them on a site, because on a site you are explicitly publishing content on the WWW, whereas with kazaa, you just have it on your - personal - computer, and won't even be distributing it, because other people will take over with that...)
hmmm...
When people visit a web site, they have to "download" the images/videos to their computer to view it. I don't think it would be illegal to put them in your drive and let people download them. But I think that some sponsors might have a problem with this, (or are they your own copyrighted content?) some sponsors strictly state that you cannot even use their pics in PicPosts and TGPs... but everyone still does it.
Pinhead
06-04-2002, 10:54 AM
Wasn't Kazaa deemed illegal by a Dutch court just a couple of months ago?
Originally posted by code||die
Hmmm...maybe a loophole in the law?
You just edit the descriptions of those vids for your own personal use, you are not distributing them, just have them on your HD. If people choose to download them, you have done absolutely nothing to promote that :)
(different from putting them on a site, because on a site you are explicitly publishing content on the WWW, whereas with kazaa, you just have it on your - personal - computer, and won't even be distributing it, because other people will take over with that...)
Its exactly the same you chose to run kazaa which is a server so you are choosing to publish the files on your hd.
pr0view
06-05-2002, 04:27 AM
Originally posted by foe
Its exactly the same you chose to run kazaa which is a server so you are choosing to publish the files on your hd.
yup, exactly. it won't matter if you give access to them by uploading them to a web server or by installing a share utility on your PC.
code||die
06-05-2002, 05:35 AM
In that case, running Kazaa is just as illegal as putting copyrighted materials on your website. Which means a few hundred thousand people are doing very bad things :)
pr0view
06-05-2002, 05:39 AM
Originally posted by code||die
In that case, running Kazaa is just as illegal as putting copyrighted materials on your website. Which means a few hundred thousand people are doing very bad things :)
IF you don't own the content OR IF you don't have a license to distibute it around, THEN it is illegal.
code||die
06-05-2002, 05:54 AM
Originally posted by pr0view
IF you don't own the content OR IF you don't have a license to distibute it around, THEN it is illegal.
I dare say that at the very least 99% of the users of Kazaa don't own copyrights to the things they download and share :)
pr0view
06-05-2002, 06:08 AM
Originally posted by code||die
I dare say that at the very least 99% of the users of Kazaa don't own copyrights to the things they download and share :)
:D i'd go even further and say that it's probably 99.99%.
the fact that they don't get knocks on the door doesn't mean that you won't (if you post unlicensed contetn with your URL on it)
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