Telco Court Day Today, Any Results ??

[Slickman]

If anyone knows what happens, please let us know.

[Machine]

Good luck Adam!

[nasko]

I hope that this time they will make a statement what's going on because all I know about Telco is from the adult webmasters boards and not from them. I want to know when I'll get my money.

[Due]

I didn't hear anything.
However.
Telcoweb is a NONE USA based company that has all paper works proving they did not do anything wrong.
I am not owed any money by telcoweb however there is a lot of people that is.
Here is some news for you guys.
FTC can say "it is illegal for you to pay your advertisers"
As far as within USA, I can't say but as far as I know FTC is a consumer orginazation made to protect the USA ccitizens.
Protecting the cunsumer does not mean that Telcoweb cannot pay their advertisers.
FTC cannot force a NONE USA based company to not follow their contracts. Then the NONE USA based company got some pretty BAD lawyers and might consider a replacement.
FTC does not control the world even though they would like too.
And it cannot be considered a criminal charge to pay people according to their contracts, no matter what you say or what they say!
If Telcoweb wanted to pay people they could do so, they might piss off FTC but it does not really matter since:
1: It is not happening in USA
2: FTC is made to protect consumders in USA not to say "you can't send money to this guy because that has absolutely nothing to do with protecting a normal USA citizen"
I agree that FTC is not someone you should be playing games with but do not allow them to play games with you neither.
Some of this information has been approved bye a previous lawyer for the supreeme court in Denmark (highest level in the court system in Denmark)

[black hand]

You make it sound easy,but it is not that simple.
Everyone will get payed and the new state of the art
dialer will be ready very soon .WITH THE FTC'S STAMP ON IT!!!!
telco will save us from the summer time slump

[Jon]

Originally posted by black hand
You make it sound easy,but it is not that simple.
Everyone will get payed and the new state of the art
dialer will be ready very soon .WITH THE FTC'S STAMP ON IT!!!!
telco will save us from the summer time slump

hmmm

Jon

[Telcoweb]

Thanks for the good luck words people , Many of you know the reason why we have not been posting on this subject let me reiterate it again. Last August some of the people who read this board tried to defraud us and the public by sending some pretty illegal spam telling people they had won a playstation and to click a toll free link. We terminated the spammer , reported it to the correct authorities and also permanantly disconnected the numbers the spam occured on. To cut a long story short 10 Months later one of Telcoweb companies along with LoAd communications received a poorly researched complaint from the FTC suggesting we produced and sent the spam.

BTV industries are now in settlement talks with the FTC and things are going very well indeed , This means that in a few days time this thing is going to be over. We ARE NOT going to discuss this problem on any board until it is completely over. Many people who read this board have been subpoenaed during this investigation and the more we discuss this in public , the more chance there is of YOU PEOPLE LOOSING YOUR MONEY.

[/QUOTE]
Here is some news for you guys.
FTC can say "it is illegal for you to pay your advertisers"
As far as within USA, I can't say but as far as I know FTC is a consumer orginazation made to protect the USA ccitizens.
Protecting the cunsumer does not mean that Telcoweb cannot pay their advertisers.
FTC cannot force a NONE USA based company to not follow their contracts. Then the NONE USA based company got some pretty BAD lawyers and might consider a replacement.
FTC does not control the world even though they would like too.
And it cannot be considered a criminal charge to pay people according to their contracts, no matter what you say or what they say!
If Telcoweb wanted to pay people they could do so, they might piss off FTC but it does not really matter since:
Here is some news for you guys. [/QUOTE]


Due you are a clueless prick who clearly knows nothing about his business , just like your lawyer friend. Mind your own business !!

At the Moment we are under a temporary restraining order which means our USA suppliers are not allowed to pay us and we are not allowed to pay out. *Yes* The company in questions is located outside the USA but the 5 Million dollars that Telcoweb are owed for minutes is still inside the USA and under the control of the FTC. Should Telcoweb break the TRO by paying anyone then we would go into default (this is exactly what they want us to do by the way) , and once we default then the FTC can legally keep our / your money which has not yet been paid to us. Wiring a check for $2500 bucks today will cost us 5 million bucks.


I hope that explains a little stand by for a news wire and full press release in a few days


Thanks for your patience



Telcoweb

[Jon]

Originally posted by Telcoweb

Due you are a clueless prick who clearly knows nothing about his business , just like your lawyer friend. Mind your own business !!


See things like this will get you no where...Due is very well known in the business..and unfortunately not known as a cluessless prick...

But then again we will see what happens now won't we?

Jon

[black hand]

you know nothing jon ,
Now go get your shine box !!!!!
before you lose everything BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Slickman]

Telcoweb, I don't know if you're able to answer this question or not, but after this does blow over, roughly how long is it gonna take to pay out your resellers ?? Are you preparing everyone's cash, ready to send out OR is everything buried and it's gonna take you a couple of weeks after this settles before you start paying out.

[Telcoweb]

Once the TRO gets lifted we will start catching up on payroll within a few days, though not all at once. It may take a week or 2 to get fully back to normal we need to then get paid from the USA.

thanks

[Jon]

Originally posted by black hand
you know nothing jon ,
Now go get your shine box !!!!!
before you lose everything BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL!!!

OMG !!! LOL ;0)

Wtf you got on me bitch? Bring It On Bitch

Call me now if your so bad?

910-381-6449

Jon

[Chupa]

Vague facts and personal attacks on your critics. Can't you guys do any better than that? Here ... I'll be your PR man.

"Very soon, though we don't know when, some things will happen that may or may not make things better. Everyone perhaps could be paid sometime in the near future, or not, but probably maybe.

We have been prevented from discussing these things due to a number of reasons that we also cannot discuss. If we COULD discuss them you would understand that we are owed 5 million dollars, and are unable to pay you.

If you any questions, concerns, or issues that require immediate attention, please wait until some more things happen. When they do we will let you know.

Everything is great though! Really!

P.S. Anyone who doubts the possible truth of the above, even absent a single stich of proof, is a clueless prick. (Yes, this means you.)"


There. Isn't that better?

LMAO!!!!!!

[eromedia]

** watching the show **

[Chupa]

The "show" is the whole industry. It really kills me to see people crying about their dialer money.

"Someone knocked the wheels off of my scam machine. Boo hoo hoo. Isn't there anyone I can trust to help me rip off the public?"

[Telcoweb]

Chuba you constantly post against Telcoweb everytime there is a problem trying to be anonymous no email in your profile what a man , I wonder who you are......

Lets look at your sig on earlier posts.

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=159710#post159710

Lets look up that domain http://www.freebroadbandvideo.com


Domain Name: FREEBROADBANDVIDEO.COM

Administrative Contact:
McGraw, Brian brian@critical-data-integrity.com
3210 Taylor Avenue
Baltimore, MD, 21234
US
410-254-9409


lets type it into a browser - OOPS it redirects to VARADOXGROUP.COM




That would be a valid enough reason to wish Telcoweb are out of business, lets face it you were only in the game for 5 minute's. I guess this is what you do all day these days , now your *gone*.

Unfortunately Telcoweb is not gone , sure we took a kick and it's taken 3 law firms and $300K in legal fees to answer the complaint but prevail we will.


Thanks VARADOX for your vote of support LOL









:finger:

[Chupa]

I have no love for any of the dialer companies, including Varadox, which made a run to buy our development company and then, for all intents and purposes, defaulted.

In fact, we are still owed over $20,000 in development costs for a new product for the Varadox Group which was never released.

Critical Data Integrity formally requested removal from the Varadox website some time ago, especially in light of the fact that the buyout was never executed.

The damage to our revenue from our brief interaction with Varadox far exceeds Telco's legal fees and withheld funds combined.

Because of pending legal action regarding the above, I have limited what I have said about Varadox.

Anyway, if it seems I am hard on Telcoweb, it's because Telcoweb is at the top of the board today, and it's my first time back in about a month. LOL

In the end there is no difference between any of the dialer companies. They are all walking the fine line between legality and illegality, purposefully testing the very limits of the law to line their pockets.

It doesn't matter anyway. My opinions are my own, whether you like them or not. Impressive investigative skills, by the way. I bet you can even find stuff on search engines. Kewl... LOL

[Telcoweb]

Critical Data Integrity formally requested removal from the Varadox website some time ago, especially in light of the fact that the buyout was never executed.

If thats the case why does the domain http://www.criticaldataintegrity.com redirect straight to Varadox? I mean this is your domain you don't need to ask varadox to remove the redirection right? Unless of course you are lying

The damage to our revenue from our brief interaction with Varadox far exceeds Telco's legal fees and withheld funds combined.

Ohh I see thats why you are back to doing toplists!
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/s...9710#post159710

[nasko]

This is going to be funny :cool:

[Chupa]

I appreciate you bringing the redirect to my attention.

Since we don't really conduct development business on the web, and our client base is mostly local, we don't pay too much attention to the website.

Thanks for your help, Telcoweb! :)

How about some trivia now. Lets see who can come up with a list of dialer companies that have *NOT* had some kind of legal trouble.

I mean, you guys act like its the cost of doing business, but I have been writing software for 16 years and have never been sued, especially by the government.

You can paint a snake to look like a gold wand, but it's still just a fucking snake. :)

And you sure are talkative now that you ahve something to redirect attnetion to. Why weren't you so vocal when everyone was wondering what you were doing with their money?

[Telcoweb]

Let me redirect you back to the post you so quickly jumped on the back of:

BTV industries are now in settlement talks with the FTC and things are going very well indeed , This means that in a few days time this thing is going to be over. We ARE NOT going to discuss this problem on any board until it is completely over. Many people who read this board have been subpoenaed during this investigation and the more we discuss this in public , the more chance there is of you and us loosing our money.

[black hand]

Brain you have some balls ,after everything we all did
for you two clowns .Keep it up, i'll fly
into maryland and beat your ass myself,you fat prick.
Your welcome for the blowjob we payed for in vagas

[Chupa]

Since I have never been to Las Vegas, I hope the dude who got that blowjob didn't come down with something nasty! LOL

And what two clowns are you referring to? I think you have me mixed up with someone else.

Put the crack pipe down, dude... the first step is admitting you have a problem! ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[black hand]

We know who you are,you fat fuck
just keep looking over your shoulder shit head.
don't you and burger boy have some new video games to play.
HELLS COMEING FOR YOU ............FAT FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chupa]

Hmmm...

Let's see. You admitted to breaking the law in Vegas, and now you are issuing terroristic threats. I was going to help you dig that hole, but I see you are perfectly capable of doing so yourself.

Let me pause to laugh at you.

HA!

Okay, now... this is really going to suck for you, but you do have the *wrong* Brian. As a favor to you, though, just because I like you, and because I know the guys, I went ahead and called Brian and Mike to bring their attention to the thread.

I am sure they will be amused that you put their business in the street and it wasn't even them. I see you are working hard as ever to legitimize the dialer business.... buying blowjobs, threatening your detractors with violence... oh, yeah. You guys are real professionals.

One last laugh before I go....

HA!

[Telcoweb]

I don't know who blank hand is , but I know who you are , you are the guy that wrote the dialer for varadox , I've seen a picture of you once you did some other webcam shit , just nickle and dime stuff.

You must be the dude that made the fuck up in the varadox system that mean't people got credit for 8 calls instead of one ROFLLMAO I guess now your demoted to posting on boards and doing toplists! Are you sure youve never been sued?


Now it all make's sense



Later

[Chupa]

Hey, I don't blame you for putting a little distance between you and Black Hand. I guess that's just part of the price you pay for keeping a loose cannon like that around to do your dirty work. :)

Enron should have taken your tact.

"We did not notify our shareholders of the wrongdoing for fear we would lose more money."

LOL

You are right though... I am just a nickel and dime guy. I've never had to spend $300k defending myself on consumer protection violations with a federal agency.

[Telcoweb]

That's right , the closest you ever got to 300K is when you just typed it out on your keyboard. *chortle*

Next time you write a dialer system give me a shout I'd love to join up!! 8 calls credited for every real call , I'd even recommend it to my friends.

Good Luck!

[candidpublishinginc]

Originally posted by Jon


See things like this will get you no where...Due is very well known in the business..and unfortunately not known as a cluessless prick...

But then again we will see what happens now won't we?

Jon

Jon,

Due was incorrect with his statements. I spent an hour with him arguing on ICQ over it and he kept insisting that he was right. I kept telling him that if Telcoweb were to pay their webmasters now the FTC would make sure they'll never touch another 900 number again.

He kept trying to tell me that the FTC can't bar Telcoweb from getting payments from their 900 supplier. Well I'm sorry but he's wrong. The FTC regulates the 900 industry and they can do whatever they please even to an offshire corporation.

When the FTC has you by your balls, you do what they say or you're fucked. It's as simple as that. Offshore corporation or not.

[candidpublishinginc]

Double post

[Chupa]

Are you accusing Mike and Brian of intentionally defrauding webmasters? They are the ones that wrote the stats and accounting for the entire dialer platform. I think you slipped... all day long you have had your dolt beating up on those two. Did you decide to dirty your own hands a little?

Seems like a very strong accusation to make. Perhaps you have some evidence to that effect? If so, there are several pending lawsuits in which I'm sure a subpoena for your testimony would be most appropriate.

[Mojo Risin]

Originally posted by Chupa
Hmmm...

Let's see. You admitted to breaking the law in Vegas, and now you are issuing terroristic threats. I was going to help you dig that hole, but I see you are perfectly capable of doing so yourself.

Let me pause to laugh at you.

HA!

Okay, now... this is really going to suck for you, but you do have the *wrong* Brian. As a favor to you, though, just because I like you, and because I know the guys, I went ahead and called Brian and Mike to bring their attention to the thread.

I am sure they will be amused that you put their business in the street and it wasn't even them. I see you are working hard as ever to legitimize the dialer business.... buying blowjobs, threatening your detractors with violence... oh, yeah. You guys are real professionals.

One last laugh before I go....

HA!

Sorry dude.. buying a blow job IS legal in Vegas

[candidpublishinginc]

Originally posted by Telcoweb


You must be the dude that made the fuck up in the varadox system that mean't people got credit for 8 calls instead of one ROFLLMAO I guess now your demoted to posting on boards and doing toplists! Are you sure youve never been sued?


Nothing says quality like a dialer written in Visual Basic.

I wonder if the backend was written in VB too? ;)

[Chupa]

http://www.partytowns.com/html/law_vegas.html

"Prostitution - One of the biggest misconceptions about Las Vegas is that prostitution is legal. It is not. The world's oldest profession is legal in only two rural counties in Nevada."

[candidpublishinginc]

Edited: Never mind.

[Telcoweb]

Due,


I apologise for calling you a prick earlier , I saw someone talking about our company and what they said was incorrect and just snapped. Please ICQ me and I will explain


thanks

[Mojo Risin]

Originally posted by Chupa
http://www.partytowns.com/html/law_vegas.html

"Prostitution - One of the biggest misconceptions about Las Vegas is that prostitution is legal. It is not. The world's oldest profession is legal in only two rural counties in Nevada."

I stand corrected

[candidpublishinginc]

Telcoweb,

I already tried to explain it to Due on icq a few times. Hope you'll have better luck than I did.

Don't let these critics bother you. I know it can suck sometimes dealing with the ignorant, but soon enough everyone will see that they'll be prompty paid by Telcoweb when they settle the matter with the FTC.

[black hand]

why are you draging mike & brain into this
we are talking about you the "FAT FUCK"
i'll give you a loose cannon ,NOW GO GET YOUR SHINE BOX!!!!!!!!!

[Chupa]

Hey Telco, how long does it take you to get your hand up that puppet's ASS?

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

[black hand]

well have to roll you in dough
to find your ass "FAT FUCK"

[Telcoweb]

Are you accusing Mike and Brian of intentionally defrauding webmasters? They are the ones that wrote the stats and accounting for the entire dialer platform. I think you slipped... all day long you have had your dolt beating up on those two. Did you decide to dirty your own hands a little?


No FUCK HEAD I am talking to you becuase it is you who has jumped in on the last 10 Telcoweb threads on this board trying to post anonymously giving it the BIG ONE about how you hate Telcoweb and dialers in general when infact we now know after today you are part of Varadox , have written a dialer and use dialers on your own domains and crappy toplists as we speak.
I am simply reiterating YOU ARE A FAKE now get back to your toplist you nickle and dime prick

[Chupa]

Let it go Josh, before you boss has to pull you up by the short hairs yet again. LOL

[Jon]

wow telcoweb seems to be getting upset :-D

Jon

[black hand]

puppet ??? i'll give you a puppet.just
get that gerble out of your ass
"FAT FUCK"
now don't let me tell you again ,"GO GET YOUR SHINE BOX"

[black hand]

your just grabbing at names aren't you
first it's mike&brain and now josh
you really have some problems.
jenny craig can help

[Telcoweb]

I have no love for any of the dialer companies, including Varadox, which made a run to buy our development company and then, for all intents and purposes, defaulted.


I would not trust this dude to write a Birthday card LOL

[black hand]

"Varadox was the shorted living dialer program in history"
Telco will save the biz,that makes fat ass upset.
Just deal with it fat boy ,telco is the real deal
teflon it is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jon]

Originally posted by Telcoweb



I would not trust this dude to write a Birthday card LOL

You know what...I really hope webmasters get paid from you...

It would be a surprise but I do hope for their sake you aren't full of total shit

Jon

[Jon]

Originally posted by black hand
"Varadox was the shorted living dialer program in history"
Telco will save the biz,that makes fat ass upset.
Just deal with it fat boy ,telco is the real deal
teflon it is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok dude...

Call me please...

910-381-6449...Lets talk about the "fat boy"

Hey leave me your number I will even call you...

Lets discuss this one on one...

Jon

[black hand]

very soon telco will change the industry
we all know the people who run telco are
all first class,there needs to be nothing more said

[Jon]

Originally posted by black hand
very soon telco will change the industry
we all know the people who run telco are
all first class,there needs to be nothing more said

Who are you? What sites do you run?

Come on lets hear it who the fuck are you?

Jon

[Chupa]

Yeah, it's kind of funny that they always get so angry whenever anyone questions anything they do. It's a power trip thing. Then when they can't run you off the threats start.

Well, "He who protests loudest..." and all that. It must drive Josh crazy having to sign up for new screen names every time I post.

You will notice one thing is always the same. In the end they threaten and insult, because it's all they have. They can't argue on the issues. So out come the threats.

It's almost worth it to stop by once a month just to let everyone see their true nature. :)

See ya all in a month. LOL

[Telcoweb]

In all the time we have been in business we have never misappropriated one cent of webmaster money , and we are not about to start now.

This legal case is very important to every dialer company , if we get made responsible for this spam then all dialer companies will get shut down within 6 months. Some of the dialer companies out there that are members of the trade body NOC will already know this. A lot of money has been spent to prove that dialers do work when the people who run them are responsible. This is paying off big time.

I know it sounds anal but I really have to be carefull on what I post for the next few days , though I am sure Candid will gladly tell the story of how things went our way.

[Telcoweb]

BTW I can catagorically say josh has not posted on this thread. I though it was him too but its not I called him and asked....

[Jon]

hmmm so who is the mystery guy?

Jon

[black hand]

I'm chupa's mom !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jon]

Originally posted by black hand
I'm chupa's mom !!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope you do know I will find out who you are...

So be prepared

Jon

[EscortBiz]

Telcoweb all I can say is that I wish you the best and at least you are communicating.

Years ago I was running 900 numbers from Crown Communications in FL they just shut down did not tell anyone and everyone lost money.

I did not promote your dialer but based on my experience I see you making sure that webmasters will not get fucked.

Like I said all the best

[Jon]

Originally posted by EscortBiz
Telcoweb all I can say is that I wish you the best and at least you are communicating.

Years ago I was running 900 numbers from Crown Communications in FL they just shut down did not tell anyone and everyone lost money.

I did not promote your dialer but based on my experience I see you making sure that webmasters will not get fucked.

Like I said all the best

Communicating? After how long? I never saw a post from Telcoweb letting users what were going on...

This is the first post I have seen from telcoweb officially

Jon

[EscortBiz]

This is the way I look at it and I might be wrong:

If telcoweb decided to scam everyone and keep the money why would they say anything,

Like I said i might be wrong Jon but just as an outsider I feel that hes trying to do something

Jon I dont know telcomweb but I do know what happenes when you get screwed usally the guy wont talk and be unreachable I have been in that place many times in the 900 and International audiotext numbers with many companies,

Regardless i hope the webmasters who worked their ass off will see money

[Telcoweb]

BTW I can catagorically say josh has not posted on this thread. I though it was him too but its not I called him and asked....

[DialerNET]

For those that don't know, and just for the record, Brian McGraw was the Director of Technology for Varadox.
His own words.

Jason.

[Machine]

Its days like this that I wish the internet was a big round room full of the people debating on it.

There'd be alot less shit talk on it, or alot less intact teeth.

[Will]

any other information yet?

[Jon]

hmmm guess no more information?

Jon

[nasko]

Of course not :D

If I was a webmaster using telco's dialers who's not hanging around how should I know what's going on with my money ?

I think that we deserve a statement about the situation as least.

[ceramic]

i dont know on how many of you know this but i got a email regarding info on the telco/ftc from elisha this is what she told me.


Hi,

The FTC has a TRO (Temporary Restraining Order) and until it is lifted we are unable to process payroll. As soon as the case is done we will go forth with operations. If you haven't joined the reseller newsletter please do so. We will notify all accounts through the newsletter.

Elisha

[Slickman]

Well, another week has gone by, anything new on the situation ? I'm not a reseller, just someone that's got a couple thousand dollars coming from Telco.

[Jon]

hmm will the big news come yet?

Jon