Gallery tutorial

[code||die]

I've been getting way too many sucky gallery submissions lately, so I've been thinking about writing a small tutorial on how not to make galleries, and let that be auto-sent to webmasters whose galleries are rejected.
Good or bad idea?

Some examples of things people do wrong:
- pictures on html pages without any advertising or navigational buttons. Most tgps don't allow pictures on html pages, and if they don't even put ads or nav buttons on them, it's rather useless.
- using freehosts that redirect traffic.
- using freehosts that fill the first 600 pixels of the page with ugly ads.
- using sponsor content that gets submitted 20 times a day (nothing wrong with sponsor content, but after seeing the same picture set 200 times every reviewer will automatically press "delete").
- putting thumbnails the size of smilies on freehosts. What's the use?? It doesn't matter how much bandwidth you burn on a freehost, and those tiny thumbnails will stop them from getting listed on most tgps.
- stuffing a 10-picture page with 12 banners and 12 text-links.
- putting a 600*200 picture linked to their own tgp at the top of the gallery, filling the rest of the gallery with lots of banners, text links, etcetera, and then finally, below all that, the pictures and recips.

I think most of the people doing this are newbies, who don't really have bad intentions, but just lack experience and knowledge. So an automatic rejection note containing a link to a gallery-building tutorial might just work...

[Undutchable]

Hi Code...

Images that have no nav or ad functions are bad? I use some for design purposes:

http://e-rotic.sytes.net/porkysfuckshop02/

Is this considered bad? I thought it might help me make sales by having a uniform layout in relation to the AVS site that i promote with it.

Thanks for any feedback :) About your idea: I think it'd be a real good idea, its better than getting no response at all, leaving (new) webmasters wondering what they do wrong.

[XXX DIALER CA$H]

Welcome to the world of hell tgp reviewing

[Breaker]

I think it's superb idea in general to help and give tips to the lost submitters. And ain't that much work either just a autosend on the reject button :D

[Breaker]

Originally posted by Funkmaster
Hi Code...

Images that have no nav or ad functions are bad? I use some for design purposes:

http://e-rotic.sytes.net/porkysfuckshop02/

Is this considered bad? I thought it might help me make sales by having a uniform layout in relation to the AVS site that i promote with it.

Thanks for any feedback :) About your idea: I think it'd be a real good idea, its better than getting no response at all, leaving (new) webmasters wondering what they do wrong.

Like the theme :p

[code||die]

Originally posted by Funkmaster
Hi Code...

Images that have no nav or ad functions are bad? I use some for design purposes:

http://e-rotic.sytes.net/porkysfuckshop02/

Is this considered bad? I thought it might help me make sales by having a uniform layout in relation to the AVS site that i promote with it.

Thanks for any feedback :) About your idea: I think it'd be a real good idea, its better than getting no response at all, leaving (new) webmasters wondering what they do wrong.

No, those are good, I love galleries that look better than average, and I would surely list your galleries, if they look like that.
I was referring to webmasters who link thumbnails to pictures on separate html pages without nav buttons or ads :)

[Undutchable]

Oooh i getcha now ;)

Im not making much money off these galleries though, dya guys have any tips? Its a bit off topic, i know :p but im kinda worried about it hehe

Maybe its the theme? People turned off by Porky? :D

Anyways, grand idea then dude, maybe you could even customize the tutorial? For instance, maybe there are 5 main reasons of rejection, and you could have 5 tutorials ready that are sent automatically based upon what option u reject it with... But ud prolly need a script for that. It'd really improve the quality of the industry though, lots of people totally clueless as to whats wrong and whats right.

[Mikey]

I like the idea of auto replying to webmasters who galleries you reject telling them what a gallery should be like. But I bet the ones that submit those shitty galleries don't even read their replies.

[code||die]

Well, I sent a few of them emails already about what was wrong with their galleries (the average newbie-mistakes, which don't bring extra profits but do minimize chances of listing), and most did reply and made better galleries after that :)

Ofcourse, it doesn't work with experienced submitters who just want to take their chances with less traffic but higher conversions, but there are also many newbies who seem to have good intentions but limited knowledge ;)

[Zatlther]

That is a great idea. Thanks, I am gonna work out something for my tgps. I think that most gallery builders would appreciate it.

[Za Ha]

BAD GALLERIES ARE GREAT!!!
They boost up the conversion ratio on the tgp :) If people saw only nice galleries then they would never buy anything from u...

[TarPy]

Personally I think it's a great idea. I'd love to help you with it if I can at all. Keep in touch on ICQ.

TarPy

[xxxinnovations]

I think that an idea like that could ruin the industry. I agree with Za Ha... sure you TGP's would love to have masses of quality galleries submitted to your sites, but are any of you making most of your money off of galleries? or most of your money off of your TGP's? If you are making most of your money off of your TGP's, I think it is unfair to go ahead and ruin any chance we gallery makers have left to turn profit against our hosting, content, and scripting bills simply because your TGP is not getting enough QUALITY submissions.

Most of us gallery makers had to put thousands of dollars into testing the gallery market until we found something hot... and to just break down all the secrets of this market would be unreasonable.

Go ahead and do it, but when you see your TGP losing money because the ONLY gallery left to post is a QUALITY gallery... I am sure you will regret ever bringing this idea about.

G*D DAMN, this industry is coming down because some newbie TGP owners are seeking out to indirectly help themselves.

I think any experienced gallery maker on this board would agree with me... or atleast I hope they would

*Brad:confused:

[xxxinnovations]

Originally posted by xxxinnovations
Go ahead and do it, but when you see your TGP losing money because the ONLY gallery left to post is a QUALITY gallery... I am sure you will regret ever bringing this idea about.


When I say this... I mean that if there were ONLY quality galleries being posted, they would be taking in so much more business than the mix of quality/shitty galleries that you used to be forced to post... that you would barely be able to make any money anymore.

The quality of TGP traffic is diminishing every single day... are you trying to lessen the quality of TGP traffic at an even faster pace?

Also, even if you continue to post a mix of quality/shitty galleries, remember that there are thousands of TGP's out there that will be posting 100% quality galleries on their TGP's which will MOST DEFINATELY account for your loss of business as well.

Please think about this before you go ahead and make the "ultimate gallery maker resource" and fuck everything up.

*Brad

[cherries22]

I have found that by only accepting galleries from partners is a good way to limit the amount of crap you get.... Everynow and then you have one apple that will try something,, but most of them do quality work and want to keep your TGP for the traffic... Give this a try!

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Originally posted by xxxinnovations
I think that an idea like that could ruin the industry. I agree with Za Ha... sure you TGP's would love to have masses of quality galleries submitted to your sites, but are any of you making most of your money off of galleries? or most of your money off of your TGP's? If you are making most of your money off of your TGP's, I think it is unfair to go ahead and ruin any chance we gallery makers have left to turn profit against our hosting, content, and scripting bills simply because your TGP is not getting enough QUALITY submissions.

Most of us gallery makers had to put thousands of dollars into testing the gallery market until we found something hot... and to just break down all the secrets of this market would be unreasonable.

Go ahead and do it, but when you see your TGP losing money because the ONLY gallery left to post is a QUALITY gallery... I am sure you will regret ever bringing this idea about.

G*D DAMN, this industry is coming down because some newbie TGP owners are seeking out to indirectly help themselves.

I think any experienced gallery maker on this board would agree with me... or atleast I hope they would

*Brad:confused:


Ofcourse, this is pure and utter nonsense.

First of all, the tutorial I'm talking about wouldn't contain info on how to make a succesful, money-making gallery. It would contain the information on how to make an acceptable gallery. Not "breaking down the secrets of the market", but explaining the basics.

I spend over an hour a day reviewing galleries of which most break the most basic of rules to get listed. That is a waste of my time, and also a waste of the gallery maker's time, because he won't get listed and will have made a gallery for nothing.

Does it hurt your business if I spend less time rejecting crappy galleries? I think not. Does it hurt my business if I spend less time rejecting crappy galleries? Hell no! It gives me more time for other stuff.

You seem to think I want to make "the ultimate gallery making resource". However, if you read my first post, you'll see I plainly state it's going to be "a small tutorial on how not to make galleries". I won't be telling them how to make well-converting, good-looking galleries... I'll simply tell 'm which things will prevent them from getting listed for sure.

And, by the way, I don't post a mix of quality/shitty galleries. I post galleries that stick to the rules for my tgp, aren't *too* ugly (if it doesn't fit on a 1024*768, it won't get posted), relate to the theme of my tgp (no mature on my teen tgp), and don't offer too little or too much content (anything between 10 and 24 pics will do).
Besides that, the looks/quality/effectiveness of the gallery all completely depend on the submitter, and are none of my concern.