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Undutchable

06-19-2002, 05:48 AM

yesterday i caught the following on dutch news;

Since the internation tribune for warcrimes is in Holland, some world leaders may risk being arrested upon entering this country and two others, namely France and England. These countries are OBLIGED starting JULY 1st to arrest (upon entering their countries) some of the following presidents for warcrimes;

Putin (Russia)
Bush (America)
Sharon (Israel)

In related news, America has issued a law that it will use military force against Holland if any of their citizens would be tried on this legal organ, since they do not acknowledge it. It probably will not happen, but note that officially, France, England and Holland have the obligation to arrest these leaders and other people starting the 1st of July... Pretty wacky huh? Hope it doesnt escalate :eek:

Looks like Bush is gonna stay away from Holland for a while...

code||die

06-19-2002, 05:52 AM

LOL

I SO hope we arrest them bastards :)

Undutchable

06-19-2002, 05:53 AM

I think we'd be history if we did :( Putin, Sharon and Bush in a Dutch prison cell? Ehh the military force we'd have on our asses would be huge...

WiredGuy

06-19-2002, 07:51 AM

Imagine is a country had the balls to arrest Bush? They'd be a military force to get him out within minutes that it wouldn't even be funny.

WG

code||die

06-19-2002, 07:53 AM

Well, England, France and Holland combined, we could probably last at least a few hours :D
Remember, England and France have nukes http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/graemlins/ouch.gif

:rotflmao:

Undutchable

06-19-2002, 07:56 AM

Ha, think about this. If a NATO member attacks an ally, ALL OF THE NATO is obliged to attack the agressor. So if America would engage in military action, all of the NATO will be on America's ass. Think about that ;)

flyingiguana

06-19-2002, 09:07 AM

all of nato vs the states? wouldn't happen, they wouldn't arrest bush. if they did it wouldn't be a pretty picture.

Cyborg

06-19-2002, 09:27 AM

If russia arrested bush they could hold for longer...
Plus nukes don't make you win it just a way to scare people...
Nukes have not been used in war since ww2

Undutchable

06-19-2002, 09:41 AM

believe me, if all of the NATO went against the US army, they would win. Im not saying that this will happen, but think about it; even Israel would be obliged to take part against the USA, along with France, Germany, Brittain... and lots of others. Basically all of the world against the US Army...

Again, i dont hope that this will ever happen but these are very scary developments if you ask me

Cyborg

06-19-2002, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by Funkmaster
believe me, if all of the NATO went against the US army, they would win. Im not saying that this will happen, but think about it; even Israel would be obliged to take part against the USA, along with France, Germany, Brittain... and lots of others. Basically all of the world against the US Army...

Again, i dont hope that this will ever happen but these are very scary developments if you ask me

But if ppl from your country did arrest him you would hope that would happen :D

Israel will probably withdraw from NATO if it went against USA cause USA gives money and weapons to israel

drumsicle

06-19-2002, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by Funkmaster
believe me, if all of the NATO went against the US army, they would win. Im not saying that this will happen, but think about it; even Israel would be obliged to take part against the USA, along with France, Germany, Brittain... and lots of others. Basically all of the world against the US Army...

Again, i dont hope that this will ever happen but these are very scary developments if you ask me

You are living in a fantasy world. If the US were ever to attack another NATO country, NATO as we know it wouldn't exist anymore. A new treaty would be formed and most of the current NATO member countries would be on the side of the US.

Undutchable

06-19-2002, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by drumsicle

You are living in a fantasy world. If the US were ever to attack another NATO country, NATO as we know it wouldn't exist anymore. A new treaty would be formed and most of the current NATO member countries would be on the side of the US.

I've thought about this scenario, but this make you think: What the hell is the NATO for if it can be disbanded at any moment the "all-mighty" US of A pleases? Seems like the USA is above any law, any court room and any international institution we have formed in this world! And it is this development that is the reason why so many people are becoming more and more negative towards American policy. Noone is against the American people or policy of itself, but when one country becomes so powerful that it can and DOES dominate the world and all its inhabitants, people start to resist against that.

Jorge

06-19-2002, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by Cyborg
But if ppl from your country did arrest him you would hope that would happen :D Israel will probably withdraw from NATO if it went against USA cause USA gives money and weapons to israel

Israel is not NATO member. :embarrase
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Milosevic, Pinochet (seized by "domestic" court). Both former presidents. Many countries recognize jurisdiction of Haag International Court, and international treaties on war crimes, and genocide. Until they keep their offices, and cooperate, they can sleep well. When they lose their procedural immunity, the risk becomes reality.

Beaver

06-19-2002, 12:03 PM

If a person has committed a war crime then why would anybody want to protect them.

If anybody from the UK has committed a war crime then they should be punished accordingly regardless of their status, cry's of war to save a war criminals ass shows a population in favor of war crimes!!

My £0.02 worth

Beaver

06-19-2002, 12:15 PM

trip

06-19-2002, 12:18 PM

I think that news-paper writer wrote his piece while spending some quality time at an Amsterdam coffeshop.... :D

what a trip !:rotflmao:

basschick

06-19-2002, 12:36 PM

i would like to see that news piece in writing somewhere. i can't find it anywhere, and i would think that u.s. news would pick up on it to yell about it.

if it did go down like that, i imagine Holland is trying to send bush and the world a message - that his acts are not acceptable.

cyber_ninja

06-19-2002, 12:50 PM

if you live in a country that arests pres.bush i would recomend that you get out of that country before we show up.we may call it a piece mission,but what we meen by that is that we are going to blow you to pieces.

Undutchable

06-19-2002, 12:57 PM

Well, the fact that Bush said that it will engage in military action as soon as a US citizen appears for the Hague warcrime tribunale, is known. In fact, this law was issued very recently! Melkert, one of the leaders of Holland, got together with the entire European union and they issued a joint statement to Bush that this is not acceptable.

Then, the fact that Sharon, Putin and Bush are subject for arrest, this was said by one of the founders of the tribunal, a well known jurist called Gerard Strijards. He is the highest advisor at Holland's DA, called OM. The new laws for the Internation Tribune will be in effect starting JULI 1st, and he quoted directly from some of these laws, which officially should result in the arrest of these 3 world leaders. Bush, Putin, Sharon and possibly others are doing things that these international laws strictly prohibit. For instance, the fact that America still has illegal chemical weapons makes the president directly responsible and subject for arrest. Putin is to be tried for warcrimes in Chechnya, and Sharon... well, we all know what he did. On a side note, Sharon is also wanted for arrest in Spain and Belgium.

This law is coming real soon, i just hope that it won't make thing escalate...

http://www.novatv.nl/reportage/index.cfm?fuseaction=default&id=910&RD=1

This is a dutch article with video... Im afraid that if you don't speak Dutch it won't benefit you much, but i still wanted to put it up for reference just so u guys know im not just making this up or whatever.

Lentini

06-19-2002, 01:29 PM

i also watched the item on tv , don't take it serious :finger:

ezey

06-19-2002, 05:17 PM

hey,
dont be so concerned about the world police USA! every gloabal power has a peak level and the US already trespassed it! look back in the history, the UDSSR is gone - England and France during the colonial times and so on. I read an article about world powers some weeks ago, and it seems to be absolutely right. The future is EUROPE! ;) as soon as the south european countries reached the level of the northern countries we have the power, especially the industrial power :p but probably only for the next 50-100 years :) no power lasts forever

PEACE

dada

06-19-2002, 05:31 PM

Europe is allways the same,
they would arrest bush,
but will welcome hitler

Jorge

06-19-2002, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by basschick
snip ... i imagine Holland is trying to send bush and the world a message - that his acts are not acceptable ...

It is NOT Holland. It is an international court.
I do not have my books handy but my bet is they (USA) do not accept its jurisdiction over US citizens even there are war crimes involved (unlike many other countries over the world).

People joking about MDW should turn their WebTV off, and go to bed. It is getting late, and you must catch your school bus early in the morning.

EscortBiz

06-19-2002, 05:59 PM

did you ever see the head of nato Lord Robertson his mouth looks like an asshole

Cyborg

06-19-2002, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by dada
Europe is allways the same,
they would arrest bush,
but will welcome hitler

Who knows maybe bush has done something thing that are worth then hitler's doings...
Also befor ww2 most american business men welcomed hitler too... and ppl didn't welcome him for what he was about to do but what he was doing at the moment and before the war he was a very good leader he put the country on its legs

BIGTYMER

06-20-2002, 05:52 AM

Long Live America!

Holla,

BigTmer

code||die

06-20-2002, 06:08 AM

Originally posted by dada
Europe is allways the same,
they would arrest bush,
but will welcome hitler

You totally and utterly lack historical insight, don't you?
Since the largest part of Europe was actually *fighting* Hitler in WWII. In fact, Hitler only got about 35% of the votes in Germany. He managed to take over the country, but was not supported by the majority of people.
He was, however, supported by the Americans, who thought his economic policies would make Germany more financially independant, so they could repay the US for previous loans.

drumsicle

06-20-2002, 07:16 AM

Originally posted by Beaver

LOL who are you trying to kid half the world would love the opportunity to take the USA down a peg or two.

Doesn't matter what "half the world" would love. They would side with the US for their own benefit.

Originally posted by Beaver

Only Americans love America and your all so brainwashed you think its your duty to be the world police yet your so short sighted that you can't see that the rest of the world don't want to be policed by the USA.

Ha. This thread is about the Hague arresting world leaders for "war crimes" and you are bitching about the US policing the world? At any rate, I am hardly brainwashed. And I doubt that most Americans think that it is the US' job to police the world, even though our govt. at times, seems to think so. It is funny though, how any time there is a problem somewhere, you come running to us for help.

Beaver

06-20-2002, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by drumsicle

Doesn't matter what "half the world" would love. They would side with the US for their own benefit.

maybe when you go kick some tinpot terrorists but Holland is a well loved country by most of the world, I think the USA would get a BIG shock if they were to fuck with them.
besides they grow some of the best weed in the world

Originally posted by drumsicle

Ha. This thread is about the Hague arresting world leaders for "war crimes" and you are bitching about the US policing the world? At any rate, I am hardly brainwashed. And I doubt that most Americans think that it is the US' job to police the world, even though our govt. at times, seems to think so. It is funny though, how any time there is a problem somewhere, you come running to us for help.

Just read this whole thread again just like many others there are threats of "move out of your country we will kick your ass"

If bush is guilty of war crimes then he needs to be punished and if the USA tried to stop that punishment then it shows they are in favor of war crimes being committed by their leaders.

I for one would gladly hand over anybody from my country to Holland if they were guilty of war crimes no matter who they were

drumsicle

06-20-2002, 08:12 AM

Originally posted by Beaver

maybe when you go kick some tinpot terrorists but Holland is a well loved country by most of the world, I think the USA would get a BIG shock if they were to fuck with them.
besides they grow some of the best weed in the world

Just read this whole thread again just like many others there are threats of "move out of your country we will kick your ass"

If bush is guilty of war crimes then he needs to be punished and if the USA tried to stop that punishment then it shows they are in favor of war crimes being committed by their leaders.

I for one would gladly hand over anybody from my country to Holland if they were guilty of war crimes no matter who they were

Try to arrest leaders like Bush and Sharon (which you won't) and it is Holland who will get the "BIG shock".

Bush should be punished for war crimes by who? It is obvious, that it is you who thinks someone should policing the world, as long as it is not America that is doing the policing.

You would gladly hand them over to who? Who is making the rules, that's what it all boils down to. If it is the US making the rules, you can't take it. But if it is the Socialist euros, you are happy. Well then you are gonna have to go on hating America, because until the left fully takes over this country, we will not bow down to your "war crimes" tribunals.

Undutchable

06-20-2002, 08:29 AM

Holland is not policing the world. Holland took up the HEAVY task of HOSTING the INTERNATIONAL Tribunal for War Crimes. This Tribunal is not Dutch, it is international, and its an initiative from the United Nations. This Tribunal is setup by the world, but the USA wants to be above it. Above everyone else. Doesn't that make you wonder?

Nysus

06-20-2002, 08:31 AM

I think it was Bush who we (Canada) could have not let in, because he had smoked pot before - mainly because if anyone from Canada who has a criminal record regarding pot isn't allowed into the US. Though our fucking government let him in.

Cheers,
Matt

Beaver

06-20-2002, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by Nysus
I think it was Bush who we (Canada) could have not let in, because he had smoked pot before - mainly because if anyone from Canada who has a criminal record regarding pot isn't allowed into the US. Though our fucking government let him in.

Cheers,
Matt

LOL that counts me out on a holiday to Canada then Iv'e already been to two prisons for drugs :)

:eek: I'm banned from Canada :eek:

:cussing: Fuck Canada :cussing:

candidpublishinginc

06-20-2002, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by Funkmaster
believe me, if all of the NATO went against the US army, they would win. Im not saying that this will happen, but think about it; even Israel would be obliged to take part against the USA, along with France, Germany, Brittain... and lots of others. Basically all of the world against the US Army...

Again, i dont hope that this will ever happen but these are very scary developments if you ask me

It will be the end of NATO if it tries to hassel the U.S.

code||die

06-20-2002, 01:26 PM

Why are all you Americans so eager to start a war with the rest of the world?? All that macho talk is total and utter bullshit. You would go directly against the countries that have been your allies for many years. Now, how about the countries that haven't been? Don't you think they would try to take advantage of a situation like that?

Besides that, Europe and the UN wouldn't respond with military force. They would respond with something like a boycot. While the US might stand a good chance in a war, a boycot would be crippling.
A large part of US companies depend on export. Those would go bankrupt within months. Jobs would disappear, and poverty would rise to insane levels.

Now, ofcourse, the US could respond to that with military force. However, unlike Afghanistan, Iraq or Vietnam, Europe doesn't have a medieval army. It has armies just about as modern as the US one, and nukes as an added benefit.
Now, the effect of that would most likely be that most of us would die in WWIII. Neither side would win, and most likely the whole western civilization would come crumbling down.

Obviously, the US could also choose to endure such a boycot. The effects of that would be rather simple. US economy would be destroyed, and the US would become a third world country. Ofcourse, Europe would also suffer greatly, and would lose it's strong position on the world market.

One thing is sure, and that is that western civilization would come to an end, most likely to be replaced by the russians or the chinese.

ezey

06-20-2002, 02:00 PM

sad sad sad
in my eyes most americans confirm with their posts on this thread that they tend to be a little lidded. it is a fact that most americans dont find their own capital on a map. and those ppl want to talk about world politics :rolleyes: to be honest Im more concerned about the USA than about the most arabian nations. stupidity combined with high technologies is a dangerous thing. this caused the most big wars in history. and i feel that most americans think the rest of the world is in an inferior position. hitler, mussolini etc thought the same!

americans want to judge anybody but yourselves are untouchable. thats a dangerous thing.

and for those who think most europeans are nazis:
1st. you disqualify yourself with such a sentence and confirm what i wrote above
2nd. think about your own nazis first. i just mention the kukluxclan. i know that you got a real problem with nationalism and nazis in your own country.

peace

basschick

06-20-2002, 02:29 PM

code||die, ezey - i was born in the u.s. and still live here. i also feel that the u.s. has developed quite a bully mentality - where as a country, our first reaction to any deemed insult is to want to attack. we're always ready to fight, but never ready to reason or compromise.

this is not what our country was founded about, nor is it what all of us believe in. some of us - even in the u.s. - believe in freedom for ALL beliefs that don't harm other people. compromise is what makes any group situation work. tolerance for other people's beliefs is what makes groups function.

if the people who believe that being strongest in a fight makes one any better or any more right than others, perhaps those people - where ever they are from - should look at drunks. lots of drunks fight, and some kick a lot of asses - but they're still drunks and their reasoning makes no sense to anyone. even when they win the fights, no one believes them or takes them seriously. the ONLY thing they proved is their physical strength, which is probably the least important thing in a civilization.

there are lots of things i like about the u.s., but this constant desire to fight about everything isn't one of them.

ezey

06-20-2002, 03:23 PM

basschick: glad to hear that.
I know of course that there are many US citizens who doesnt agree with the US foreign policy etc. but there are obviously more that does! And thats unfortunately the picture ppl have of americans in most countries.

I like many things about the US, too! But your mentality of strong patriotism seems to cant over to nationalism more and more. Patriotism isnt a bad thing at all, of course not! It's one thing i miss here in europe a little bit. But you have to know the limit. Otherwise it could become a dangerous thing.

Due

06-20-2002, 06:25 PM

I really don't care if USA think they can beat the world or not.
They should get their politics straigtend out and stop all the bullshit.
All the crap lately is reducing the income a lot for people that live outside US.
This is how the dollar looks for the past few months.
http://www.mdue.com/dollar.gif
Eventually it will hurt USA business a lot as well

Due

06-20-2002, 06:27 PM

The dollar hasn't been this low for aprox 2 years :mad:

Jorge

06-20-2002, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by Due
The dollar hasn't been this low for aprox 2 years :mad:

Yup. On the other hand, BW & US (or resold) content is cheaper.
Remeber, Euro started at > 1.11 $/EUR, and fell as low as 0.84$/EUR, now hovers at 0.94-0.96 $/EUR.
Time either to start promoting EURO sponsors, or arrange some nice monetary swap.

dada

06-21-2002, 12:42 AM

why does america starts a war with the rest of the world ?

because the world is a very bad place,
it has nazis, comunists and terrorists

if it wasn't for america, probably there was no world by now

drumsicle

06-21-2002, 01:43 AM

Originally posted by Funkmaster
Holland is not policing the world. Holland took up the HEAVY task of HOSTING the INTERNATIONAL Tribunal for War Crimes. This Tribunal is not Dutch, it is international, and its an initiative from the United Nations. This Tribunal is setup by the world, but the USA wants to be above it. Above everyone else. Doesn't that make you wonder?

Oh it's an initiative from the UN. Well that makes me feel better. :rolleyes:

Undutchable

06-21-2002, 03:28 AM

Originally posted by dada

if it wasn't for america, probably there was no world by now

I find this amusing... The world can rid itself from "evildoers" as Bush describes them, with or with the USA, trust me. See, the thing is not that USA helps out here and there, all western countries have helped, but they are taking the lead more and more. But America has to remember that they have to discuss important decisions with the rest of the world. International actions are subject to a worldwide democratic system, and the USA seem to be forgetting that sometimes.

elron

06-21-2002, 04:00 AM

Europians : you owe your life to the americans . Without them , europe would still be at its World war II , and by now half of your wise asses would get nuked either by russia or Germany with a Neo hitler leader .
And 60 years after you have proven that nothing has been changed at your region . At austria , yorg hider is elected , at france - la pen is threatning to take the controll . And after that you dare even to create a pathetic "international war crimes court" and mark the free world leaders as wanted .
leave your arrogance behind and have some respect for the nation who sacrifised 300,000 of their sons 5000 kms from home , in order to save your region , and then recovered most of your western countries by economies after the war .

ezey

06-21-2002, 04:30 AM

@elron

I lough at you :D you are so dumb it hurts me! as i said before: many americans are stupid like shit and those ppl talk about world policy etc. obviously you are one of those. before you post such a bs you should better inform you about the reality!

i dont want to defend Haider, Le Pen etc. but if you inform yourself about their policy you would notice that you cant compare them with hitler! you can compare Haider with your own hardore republicans! and as i remember your country is leaded by them atm, or not?

Europians : you owe your life to the americans
we owe you a shit man, ok thank you for your help nearly 60 years ago. you are my hero!
I cant believe what some americans talk here and then you wonder why the rest of the world dont like you :rolleyes:
I miss the words to comment this anymore!

ezey

06-21-2002, 04:37 AM

one more thing:

the nazis talked the same way like you does! bigheaded, mindless and dumb.

drumsicle

06-21-2002, 05:04 AM

Originally posted by ezey

I cant believe what some americans talk here and then you wonder why the rest of the world dont like you

Wrong again smart guy. We don't give a shit why you don't like us.

Steve - Pillsmoney.com

06-21-2002, 05:19 AM

Maybe i am missing something but did US acknowlegde that International court.

If so then they are definately violating it.

BUT... if they didnt then it means Europeans have no authority to arrest BUSH

That would be the same if US arrested anybody from holland and locked them up for using weed or prostitutes which is allowed in Holland the last time i checked

ezey

06-21-2002, 05:27 AM

Originally posted by drumsicle

Wrong again smart guy. We don't give a shit why you don't like us.

yeah i know thats the sad reality. but thats also your problem ;)
with your sentence you confirm that you think the rest of the world is in an inferior position, you think you are outplay humans. sad sad. nazis thought and still think the same!

code||die

06-21-2002, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by elron
Europians : you owe your life to the americans . Without them , europe would still be at its World war II , and by now half of your wise asses would get nuked either by russia or Germany with a Neo hitler leader .
And 60 years after you have proven that nothing has been changed at your region . At austria , yorg hider is elected , at france - la pen is threatning to take the controll . And after that you dare even to create a pathetic "international war crimes court" and mark the free world leaders as wanted .
leave your arrogance behind and have some respect for the nation who sacrifised 300,000 of their sons 5000 kms from home , in order to save your region , and then recovered most of your western countries by economies after the war .

First of all, without the americans, we wouldn't get nuked. Wanna know why not? Without the americans, there wouldn't be nukes!

Besides that, Jorg Haider, wasn't elected. His party got around 30% of the votes, yes. He himself, however, stayed what he was - the governor of some backward area.
Le Pen got crushed in the elections. Chirac got re-elected with a huge majority of votes.
Also, you might want to consider the following: Europe is generally more liberal than America. Bush, for instance, has ideas and policies that would get him marked as an extreme right-wing politician in Europe. Even the democrats would be considered right-wing in Europe.

Furthermore, "we" didn't create that international war crimes court. The UN did. The UN includes America, Russia, Israel etc.

Now, what you're saying about WWII leaves out some crucial information: America only actively joined in after being attacked itself. So much for the "selfless act" you seem to have in mind.
And, ofcourse, don't forget that it was the US that greatly supported Hitler with money and otherwise before he went on a rampage and tried to conquer the world. One would think that that creates some responsibility.

After having said all this, let's focus on the matter at hand: America is threatening a friendly nation with military action, for hosting a UN institution. A nation that has stood beside the US for many decades.
With friends like that, who needs enemies?

elron

06-21-2002, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by ezey
@elron

I lough at you :D you are so dumb it hurts me!

Hey dickhead , im not an american , but according to your english you are europian :finger:

code||die

06-21-2002, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by elron

Hey dickhead , im not an american , but according to your english you are europian :finger:

Sorry to step in here, but looking at your spelling and grammar, you are quite likely the last person in the world who should comment on other people's english.

MichaelH

06-21-2002, 09:11 AM

Originally posted by elron

Hey dickhead , im not an american , but according to your english you are europian :finger:

See, most americans don't speak more than one language, if at all fluently. If they're lucky, they talk "some" spanish too...

In Europe, the population is mostly educated into talking AT LEAST 2 languages!!! ;0)

No wonder that the USA OFFER 20-30000 Green Cards FOR FREE each year to Europeans, in order to get some quality minds in their own country, otherwise they'd be pretty desperate. Without European minds, the so proud USA would look pretty pittyfull, in most if not all aspects.

Most american past, present and futur technologies is based on European Intelligence anyway...

Don't take it as an offense against the US, it's just a hard fact, no matter how you want to turn it. Further, i've got some relatives in the us, and i like the country.

Briefly, Europeans make still a crucial part of the United States... There's nothing like USA above all... That's something US politicians should learn soon, if they don't want to see their country loose their position in the world.

My 2 cold beers...!
Michael

ragnar

06-21-2002, 10:26 AM