When is free porn too much?

[Toxictoy]

I've been building my own TGP database for my own submissions over the last couple of weeks. One thing I'm noticing is that some TGP's require 20 or more pics, or 10 - 15 movies. Now isn't that a bit excessive? I mean shouldn't 10-15 pics or 5 movies be enough to sell? If all galleries in a TGP have 20 pic minimum - then why would the surfer even buy anything at all - everything he (she/it/whatever) needs to get off is right there on that TGP.

It's also a bit frustrating (and I'm sure though that some real assholes out there are behind these types of rules) that some TGP's require the 10-15 pics but then say "only 1 banner or text link". Well if I bought the content that I'm promoting how the hell am I supposed to get a return with 1 banner/text link (and NO I'm not on a freehost)?

I'm sure this is the conversation that spurred on the creation of TGP2.

Just wondering - what I'm sure other people are wondering.

[Mikey]

Over 20 pics is a bit excessive for a tgp gallery, not just because it is alot of pics, but because it will take the page too long to load.

About 90% of the tgps out ther require between 15-20 pics a gallery. I find that the tgps that are very, very strict don't really have much traffic anyway, so I just say fuck them.

I see some rules on some tgps, no this, no that, no such and such that by the time I get done reading their rules I think the only way to get listed on that tgp would be to submit a gallery with 20 pics and instead of an ad to sponsor, the ad would lead back to the tgp! Fuck that. There are enough tgps out there, you don;t need to submit to the ones that are assholes.

[foe]

Yeh, dont put more not worth it

[Crunch]

I accept galleries with a minimum of 5 pics, no recip required :)
Check the links below

[Dragon]

You know....I must have read about this topic at least a hundred times in my 5 years in this industry and it never ceases to amaze me how many people cannot grasp what it takes to be a success in this business. I love hearing how angry people get at the "Big TGP's" for their rules and regulations. People love to point the finger outward as a reason they are not succeeding in this business....but they don't seem to realize that they are blaming someone who IS a success.
People keep talking about regressing..going back to the good ole days....and I ask you...would you still be happy with a Computer that only has a 356 Meg Hard Drive and 8 megs of RAM?? What about if we took away that great DSL or Cable you use to surf 100 times faster and just go back to the old 14k modems? How about we go back to black and white television and cheesy silent movies?
Any industrys motto should be "progress brings success" and for most industries it is. Competition forces down content prices, competition forces down bandwith prices, competition breeds creativity and competition keeps MGP's, TGP's, and Link Lists constantly striving to give better and more to get better and more.....traffic
Those that cannot compete get left by the wayside in this world and coming to understand this is the first step towards making you successful. The next thing to grasp is this......it costs less for bandwith, less for content.....and the traffic is free...so why are you whining about having to spend a little extra time and money to create quality and to compete for your share? Why aren't you seeing that sometimes others have found a model for success that they are trying to pass along to you?
I've been sucked in before by the foolish notion that we are giving too much for free away myself......and it almost cost me my beloved business......but I quickly learned these surfers are consumers.....these surfers look at your galleries as reflections of the sponsor you are trying to sign them up at......you are the cover to your sponsors book......and consumers will judge that book by the cover you present to them.
Consumers will ALWAYS want more and better entertainment. I live in a big city and could get my local channels for free...which would be plenty to satisfy my entertainment needs but did I stop there? NO. I pay for Cable....not just regular cable but digital cable AND pay channels and pay per views and I rent movies too and also I go out and see at least movie at the theater a week.....
nobody loses money on me just because I can get enough for free. I'll always want more and so will everyone else.
I understand your frustration Toxictoy.....but progression is neccessary even in this business. Sorry for such a long rant.

[manga]

TGPs are a dime a dozen these days. I only care about the top 20 - 30 TGPs. Who cares about the rest? If some don't want to list my galleries, big deal, there are a thousand more where they came from. I will never put 20 pics on a gallery, and the absolute minimum number of ads I will put on a page is two, and that is only done for Elephantlist.

[manga]

Dragon, I can agree with you to a certain extent about progress etc., but I have to say one thing. Giving more is not necessarily better. When I buy high quality content and make a nice gallery with high resolution thumbs and pics, believe me, the surfer is getting more than enough to make him happy with 15 pics. If I'm going to give more pics than that, it will be on an AVS or free site, not on a tgp gallery.

[Toxictoy]

Dragon - thank you so much for your post. I am a newbie - and I do appreciate hearing comments from those who are successful by working hard in the industry. I know that the rules are there for a reason - because there are a few that break every rule (such as changing their galleries after submission, automatic downloads, changing home page, etc etc) and therefore make it harder for the rest of us "law abiding" webmasters to get by. My first concern was that at more than 1 TGP (which to be honest I don't really know if they were big or not - I'm still learning ! :) ) I was being asked to submit 20 pics minimum. I started doing the calculations in my head (if there are 10 webmasters that submit today = 200 free pics for the surfer). I also saw that I was only allowed to put 2 banners max or 1 banner and 1 text link on the gallery. Is that really honestly fair? It seemed to me that my investment in my high quality series wasn't going to get the return I wanted with those kind of marketing conditions.

I do agree that like every internet bound industry the adult industry needs to go into the future. Let me ask you this then - on most TGP's flash is banned, javascript is banned - basically every other form of code beyond html 4 is banned. How can we possibly go into the future if we can't use modern tools?

[Dragon]

I guess the answer to that question can be answered by saying the future is in marketing what we already know surfers are willing to pay for (porn) if we can only convince them why our sponsor is the best. As well as realizing that surfers have two choices.... keep buying newer computers to keep up with all of our technology or buy memberships to porn sites.
Since my money comes from the sign ups to pay sites, I prefer to leave the technology to someone else and concentrate on giving hassle-free samples of the site (sponsor) I am pitching. That does not mean I do not aggressively advertise my sponsor, I just do it in a way that doesn't seem like I am not beating them over the head and taking their money. You catch more flies with honey....
Manga, I understand what you mean and was only presenting the other side of the coin....for TGP's it sets them apart to have more and better quality.

[harvey]

1 free pic is too much free porn. Period.

About the 20 pics TGP, I've seen a few, prolly got 2000 raw a day? I don't care at all about those, if The Hun, Snake's World, Worldsex and most biggies accept 14-15 pics, why the hell would I worry for some idiot with a tiny TGP?

About requirements, you've to accept them, I mean, if webmaster has a TGP, he has the right to do whatever he/she wants, you can take it or leave it. But I cannot go without mentioning some TGP (I've seen several) telling "no Terra accounts" and hotlinking Terra! :rolleyes:

And I've told this before, but I put an example for those defending the "give it all for free" model: go to the newstands and ask for a newspaper, then go away without paying. You'll be kicked really hard. Same applies to adult biz. Why the hell is it supposed you got to give everything for free? Are we all mad?

Finally: I really hate those TGP telling things like "my surfers want quality, 50 free pics and not a single banner".
Question 1: Do you know a surfer crying because they don't get enough free porn?
Question 2: If so, who cares?
Question 3: Why the TGP webmaster doesn't give the same "quality" he asks for? Aren't blind links more annoying than (say) 16 free pics instead of 20?

Remember, as I always say: double morals is the standard of this business

Just my 0.002 euros

[Mathew]

Yes, I agree - TGP webmaster can do everything he's up to.

But the thing TGP webmasters doesn't realize, is that if they have 2k raw day TGP, and they're requiring a recip, but don't allow autosubmits - who the hell wants to submit?

Same about '20 pictures, 1 banner'. Thats BS. Webmaster had paid for these pictures, and does want something back - instead of giving away free content to TGP owner.

Free porn is too much, when surfer doesn't even consider buying. But surfers attending TGPs are almost always so experienced, that they rarely consider that.

For example, when I was not into this business, I didn't knew what TheHun, Worldsex and other big names are. I simply used search engines to find what I wanted, looked for a site that I liked, and sometimes, bought a trial membership to see what's inside. The point is clear?

Designing galleries for TGP is a tough task - you have to entice the surfer enough to check out your sponsors page instead of jerking off right now at free pictures.