What would YOU do to the Taliban?

[kmanrox]

Heres what Corporal K-Man, USMC would do;

i would round them up, stick their smelly fuck asses in a god damned building and implode the fucker and sit back, grab some good wine, have a fucking picnic in celebration...

CPL K-Man USMC

But hey, that's just *me*, right?

[Dracula]

That's for the short term and I don't think it will make any positive changes in their minds.

In the long term, they need a strong, different education. They have to understand that civilization cannot harm their Islam or their beliefs. Civilization and education is the key factor I think. Throw them out of the caves, teach them they can live in houses. Teach them womens need the same rights men have etc.

Long term process and maybe idealistic, but this can work.

[Vegemite and Cheese]

Dracula you stupid fuck...read the question....jeez..

my reply would be to take jus thte leader...and slowly bake his ass in a big pizza oven and listen to him cry for help untill the crying stopped...then when he is charred deliver him to a local homeless mission with a big red ribbon!

Free yummies for deralects!

[HeLiS]

see the problem is this

Bin Laden = Hitler
Taliban = Nazi's
Everyday there not dead = Everyday they get stronger

I thought the world learnt a lesson from Hitler you think one man has no power..you are wrong the longer we waste time the harder it will be to stop them and whos to say we will win this time ?

we need to nuke the middle east now......or in 10years we could suffer the same fate as many many jews did back in WW2

i guess we are just to politically correct to do anything until once again its to damn late and millions will end up dying all for something which could have been avoided

ah well i might as well start a hippie group now who wants to join me ? there is no way in hell i am going to war over this fucker so lets start growing weed and tie dying our shirts for when WW3 starts lol :)

flower power is back....i wonder if technology can bring back marley and hendrix ????? we need them now more then ever heheh

[AzteK]

Originally posted by Dracula:
<STRONG>That's for the short term and I don't think it will make any positive changes in their minds.

In the long term, they need a strong, different education. They have to understand that civilization cannot harm their Islam or their beliefs. Civilization and education is the key factor I think. Throw them out of the caves, teach them they can live in houses. Teach them womens need the same rights men have etc.

Long term process and maybe idealistic, but this can work.</STRONG>


You are absolutely correct. Their people need a different education so their minds and eyes open to benefits of civilization. The goal of Taliban leaders is too keep their followers minds as close as possible, so they can rule with their so called “Islamic” rules and nobody would complain. That’s why they don’t let people have TV’s and won’t let women get educated. As soon as people are educated and western TV programs are in their homes, people start thinking that they shouldn’t have to live like they are at the moment. And that would cause them to rebel against the Taliban leaders and eliminate their fanatics putting up their lives to kill innocent people. Because then they would know better not to fall for the Taliban’s Islamic beliefs or any other extremist group. Furthermore, generation after generation people become more open minded. Keep in mind afghan people living under the Taliban aren’t necessarily happy with the ruling government. Also, the points mentioned above aren’t only limited to the “Talibans”.

Sometimes we have to set our anger a side and think about the long-term solutions.

Thanks,
AzteK

[kmanrox]

you're right on the money Heliz, good post !

Hmmm.. I need to do something with camelraper.com hmmm

[Dracula]

Originally posted by Vegemite and Cheese:
<STRONG>Dracula you stupid fuck...read the question....jeez..

my reply would be to take jus thte leader...and slowly bake his ass in a big pizza oven and listen to him cry for help untill the crying stopped...then when he is charred deliver him to a local homeless mission with a big red ribbon!

Free yummies for deralects!</STRONG>

If you mean the Taliban leaders, you are correct, they need to be captured and fucked!

But what do you do with the crowds that supports them?

Think...

[Vegemite and Cheese]

lol...camelraper :)

[kmanrox]

hmmm... What else would I do? I would do the unthinkable, the unspeakable, I would EDUCATE their WOMEN!! Hahhaaaa! How you like em now??

Or better yet, I am going to give all their women..... GUNS! :o

[XxxPower.net]

I would kill them all, coz they are fuckin terrorists!

[texasfury]

I think we should roll in there with a shitload of crop dusters and lay down some of the same shit they are trying use over here!

Viper :mad:

[kmanrox]

I delcare JIHAD on the taliban and their sympathizers!! EVERYONE DO YOUR PART!!! :o

[texasfury]

I vote yes for Jihad on the taliban - shithead faggy ragheads. Nuke first clean up and rebuild governments later!!

Viper

[smut pimp]

they need thier own french revelution, seperation of church and state.

As soon as some sort of ideology (like comunism and religious belief) is used to run a country there is trouble.

A country should never be ruled by religious leaders that is the main problem in the midle east.

[Simon]

hehehe,
well the 5000 lb bombs they are using is basically messing them up, without the risk of a nuclear war caos.

I saw one go off which was shown on CNN, the ones that drill for 20 feet and then explode. God damn thing, blew up half the mountain. Insane.

[-=[hartman]=-]

'As soon as some sort of ideology (like comunism and religious belief) is used to run a country there is trouble.'

well this was ignorant, what do you think is used to run US or Europe? No ideology, no religion?

America for one combines ideology with religion, printing 'in god we trust' on their dollars .. :)

as for the taliban, aztec and dracula is on the right track..

although it would be interestin to see bush try to nuke afganistan. it would be equally interesting to watch all buildings in america being blown out be pissed off sucide arabs .. right?

[HeLiS]

Originally posted by AzteK:
<STRONG>

Sometimes we have to set our anger a side and think about the long-term solutions.

</STRONG>


AzteK educating them would be great but what about the ones who dont want it? and you wont do it till the taliban are gone and same with bin laden

the nazi's were fooled just like all the supporters of the taliban are and as i said it took over 10million deaths and like 4 years to end this......

i am young i dont even know what war is but when i watched Saving Private Ryan my heart honestly dropped to the ground watching it.....i dont want any one of us to suffer being parted from our familys like the people were back in WW2

i hate bin laden for starting this war

and i hate religion so fucking much....almost every war ever started by man is in the name of religion

when john lennon wrote imagine he was far a head of his time

no religion, no possesions, everyone living in peace and sharing the world....

but then again he did name it imagine because that is as close as we will ever get to peace.....

and while i am making a massive post something bush said pissed me off and it was

"we will bring peace again by fighting the terrorists....."

one we didnt have peace before and we never have and two how the hell do you put out a fire with petrol ?

dont get me wrong i want the taliban to die but geez he needs a better speech writer because you cant say in a speech we will use a war to stop a war...it just makes you sound stupid...you stop a war by fighting back and winning

so let me finish off this post with god bless our fucking god for once again giving us the joys of another war where good hard working people have died for nothing and lots more will come.....

i think i might belieave in the devil now no wars are ever started in his name so hes a good guy in my books

sorry for the post guys just needed to vent this shit :(

[gse]

hmm.. for those who crave for the nukes sitting their ass behind computers: be CAREFUL what you wish for!

Have you ever thought how your attitude could change in the seconds from "invincible" to "please I beg you to spare me" when someone comes and holds a loaded gun on your head?

if you want ww3, just make sure you up to it before suggesting to nuke all middle east

[matuloo]

Yeah, people should calm down a little bit, all this asking to nuke afganistan starts to scare me.

And there is one more thing that scares me, remember what bush said?

Who is not with us is against us!

Just how much of a bullshit is that, exactly the same sentence was used by the prezident of Czechoslovakia back in 1960`s when the Russians invaded the country and that was the start of 30 years long communism era - I dont think I need to explain to anyone how much that ruined all the eastern europe countries.

[Groovy]

stop the fucking bombing!

this will bring the us in some problems for sure.

send over some commando troups and let them kill the big guys.
without the leaders they're tottaly nothing, that's why the terrorists are from such a young age, they believe in those silly motherfuckers, and don't think clear. If the leaders are gone they will go back to normal live.

[Groovy]

and i know not everyone agrees with that.

[The Chosen]

nuke the bastards :D

[Simon]

"Who is not with us is against us! "

Matuloo i totally agree with you. THat is the biggest bullshit i have heard in politics. lol.

[WETDOG]

I would get a 50,000 Gallon Oil Drum Mkae into a Barbaque Pit and put them all in it an slow roast them at 130 degrees till they Melt!

[blind]

I say we snipe a famliy member from 6,453 Taliban follower's families and make sure they dont come home from work. Let those fuckers see what it's like when innocent civilians are your primary target. They have the fucking ignorance to say that we just go over there and blow up whoever. Well fuck their asses. Not only did we give them 4 weeks notice of an attack, we actually had MILITARY targets. No "one day lets kill as many innocent people as possible" shit. SO FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKERS WHO THINK THEY WE ARE USING THE PRINCIPLE "EYE FOR AN EYE."

[euphamon]

Some people are taking this as being more serious than it really is. The terrorist attack on sept. was I believe their finiest hour i.e that was a miracle pull off for them, they couldnt hope to do anything any worse or even get close to matching it, they can't afford shit, bin ladin's wealth is overestimated, he has about 5-10 mill, not the 200mill he's being claimed to have, it said so in a very recent docco called "the chase for bin ladin".
If they could do anything drastic they'd be doing it, it's like david and golliath, they have no support, if the other arab nations took the other direction then maybe this would be more tricky, but the US is a shoe in with all the support from EVERYONE, what kind of a competition is it, where will it come from? They're making out like it's a big deal to justify hassling a dEFENSELESs nation, nothing else. I doubt bin ladin was even directly responsible, a lot of arabs are sick fucks any of them could have done it, from any network. Al Qaeda by all accounts is a disjoint network, the members do what they like, it isn't your typical heirarchy where the top just hands down commands, they are just influenced to take fatal endeavors.

It's all lies and more lies, they tell us what we want to hear and feel we need to know, and to get votes.

And no there will be no fucking nukes, if afganistan could afford shit then maybe they would. But they pose no REaL threat, but then they must pose some risk because the US needed to bomb a defenseless nation when the fact is it's a ground war if they want it to be, except losing ground troops doesnt win votes! shit world! shit lying cunts on every side, good and bad! pissed me off.

[Simon]

euphamon, really well said.
That is the most intelligent comment i've read regarding this issue and i totally agree with you.

[toker]

I think its all a big plot thats been setup by the NWO to take over every nation in feer of dear life. The antrax the lies and many other things......

Now they are building what will be know as govnet and wonder if thats the codename for the system to tie up the beastnet system thats already been created. Like they never had such a need to keep out hackers even with many government secrets being stolen all the time. But now all of a sudden we need a new private computer network to keep out terrorists and hackers..

So many things they say you guys dont even take notice on half of what is going on. They are changing laws against the "Peoples" favor like internet privacy and wiretapping bullshit. I guess anti-trust laws just went out the window after the WTC...

We have had spys and terrorists for as long as i have existed on this planet and long time before yet it never was a big deal before to go after the terrorists. Maybe just maybe the predictions are true and the time is now or somone wants to make it now.

Its time to chill with the hate and seek the real truth people. I hate these fuckers more then many of you and my mother was part of one of thousands of layoffs due to this shit. Now i want the truth whats really going on here is what matters most.

They say they had intelligance they say they have intellgence so why arent they using it?

The NSA has satalites that can see anything anywhere and anytime yet they cant find a fuckin raghead riding a camel in the desert?

Its not like they have trees and buildings to hide behind... We have thousands of satalites looking for alians in outerspace but yet again we cant find one guy on our own fuckin planet. Seek the truth people this puzzle is missing pieces and without them the world is fucked.

The US could become just like any communist nation if they get their paws on the constitution and make some minor tweaks like they plan to do.

I know one thing i wont give up my rights and my guns and my freedom to live in this country.

[Dracula]

hmmm, toker, good point :)

[Dcorp]

Originally posted by Simon:
<STRONG>hehehe,
well the 5000 lb bombs they are using is basically messing them up, without the risk of a nuclear war caos.

I saw one go off which was shown on CNN, the ones that drill for 20 feet and then explode. God damn thing, blew up half the mountain. Insane.</STRONG>


:D :D :D

[gotys]

I would get rid of that entire area, if I have to blow up entire country, that's ok. Just get that place off the map once forever, stupid fucking terrorist idiots. Fuck them all. Their entire race needs to go to hell.

[euphamon]

Simom, thanks
my name's Simon too btw :)

Toker, going by what you wrote I think your seeing the direction of the world as I see it.

It's like animal farm if anyone read that in school.
The government just wants power over us, they want to take all our powers away from us if it poses a potential threat to theyr'e leadership in any way.
These arabs are pissed at something, that's all I know, and I'm sure that is one of the mising peices.
They make it so obvious that they;'re lying too, the enemy will come out and say "your bombing has caused us great pain with the loss of 20 civilian lives" . Then western media and government will come out and say they were exxagerating. The most frustrating part is that you know it's being believed by your own people, when really having 20 people die after a bomb is dropped on their capital isn't unrealistic at all.

Believe me, everyone wants to take out any threat, but while that's being done they're taking away your rights and ears.

Think about it, ideally for them they'd have a dictatorship, where they could just pass every action they chose... but that doesnt work as people become unrested in that type of situation, so the answer? They do everyting they like, and at the same time they convince us it's the best way to go through media. That's as simple as it is, pfft democracy for the people!

I don't know if it's a part of getting older that you feel discontent with the way the world works because you understand it better, or whether it's these times, but I think I along with many other people are feeling a lot of anxiety.

Just remember, be open to all sides of a story, your own leadership is just as likely to mislead. Find your own truth like toker said, because you won't find it in the media.

[Simon]

gotys, you are truely a racist basterd.
If anyone needs to go from this world, is racist people like yourself.

YOU CANOT judge people by their race, how ignorant can you get? Can you not fitch this in that little brain of yours that some of the biggest business men that run multi-billion dollar businesses in the states are actully people from the middle east? quarter of fuckin manhatan is owned by a guy from saudi.

There are good and bad people within every race. Timothy, which blew up the building in oklohoma was white, would that mean that white people like me , you and 80% of north america have to be killed?

God damn. please dont make comments if it is as stupid as the one that you just made, because really you are just lowering yourself.

[BFFR]

euphamon; you said
It's like animal farm if anyone read that in school.

iT's really nice to see someone talking about Animal Farm and,i like so much 1984 from him(g.orwell)

and i advice New Brave World from A.Huxley and and i advice N.Postman's "Amusing Ourselves to Death" ;)

[euphamon]

BFFR, it's good to see someone else likes the same books as me too :)
1984 and Animal Farm are basically prophecies, we still struggle with the idea of Big brother and Power inequalities.

Thanks for the recommendations, ill definetly look in to them, and will make the time to read them.

The Crysalids by J. Wyndham I like a lot too, it depicts a world where people of difference, 'deviants', arent accepted and have to live on the "fringe".

[gotys]

Simon,

I don't give a shit what other people think about me. Especially you. Did you see the pictures of those little bastards celebrating on the 11th? Little kids waving those signs? Get life. Of course there are good people and bad people in every race. Except that this race has more bad people than good people.

Yes I am a racist. If one race starts killing members of my race, I will automaticlaly become a racist. They all need to go to hell. And by the way, fuck you.

[Simon]

because there were 4000 people doing that on the 11th, we need to kill 450+ million people in the middle east?

Are you seriously that stupid or whats the deal here?

[Randall]

Topic of the week is Anthrax!

Some smiles about this Anthrax letter send to Microsoft ... officials became suspicious when some pornographic images were also found in the envelope ... one of the pornographic images tested positive for anthrax.

Bin Ladens network send Anthrax by mail, quick answer ... we send some powder letters to the Taliban leaders. Any chemical student around?

Lets start the Anthrax JIHAD in the name of White-Man the King of Powder!

Anthrax for Mullah Mohammed Omar, the Taliban's supreme leader,
al Qaeda spokesman Suleiman Abu-Gheith,
the Taliban embassy in Pakistan and all other Taliban f...ers!

[gotys]

Simon,

what the fuck? You are from Persia. Why the hell are you on Taliban's site? What's wrong with you?

[Simon]

I am on nobodys site. This is what you said

"Their entire race needs to go to hell. "

You are reffering to millions of people with that statement man. Not the taliban taliban.

The hell with Taliban and the hell with CIA for creating these hard-liner fucks for their own benefit in the cold war in the first place, which has caused 10s of thousands of lifes.

[sonicpuke]

Good god people are going off in all directions ;(

Animal farm is about communisim no?
1984 has come and passed but "big brother" has not materialized to anywhere NEAR the point orwell predicted.
(Maybe I'm wrong but the "thought police" haven't been around anywhere I've been. hehe)

The CIA did not "create" bin laden.
They did provide training to afghani resistance to soviet occupation and he must have benifited from this sort of training.
But we have provided such training to MANY groups over the years and none of these CHOSE to dedicate thier lives to killing as many americans as they can.
He made this choice on his own. It's pretty obvious that the CIA would never encourage him to attack america.

It's easy to after the fact point a finger at an isolated incident (Especially when it's such a dramitic situation) and say that the CIA/US/WHATEVER made a mistake. Of course they made mistakes. There is NOTHING humanity does that is pure perfection. Mistakes happen. Misjudgements are made. Is it different where you are? Do people your involved with NEVER make a mistake NEVER?

Bin laden and his people decided that they must declare war against the US and kill as many civilians as they can to spread terror. This was not caused by the CIA. THEY (El quida) decided to be murderers and there is NO justification or way to blame it on ANYONE but the people who did it. PERIOD.

We supported the people of afghanistan because they were being invaded by the soviet union PERIOD. They were trying to take over the world back then and we were fighting them. Thank god we won or you might be speaking russian right now. Back then people were talking the same kind of talk about how we should just pretend that there is no problem and everything will be alright. Things don't work that way. I suppose you have a 100% fullproof way that we could have defeated communisiom, brought down the berlin wall, win the cold war and NO ONE WOULD BE PISSED OFF right? No one would be given ANY military training ANYWHERE in the world yet we would win the war? So many people poo-poo'd back then when Pres Reagan said "Mr Gorbachev TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!!!". People said they would send nukes. People said we would blow up the whole world. People said it would escalate and escalate until we were all dead. Guess what. Instead of that the wall WAS torn down. Our increase in military spending (Which was also poo-poo'd as to provocative) was more than the soviet union could keep up with. As you know their attempt to keep pace eventually destroyed thier economy. It was a HUGE problem (In some ways even bigger than what we face now. That enemy didn't SNEAK up on us like these terrorist but had the ability to send a nuke to ANYWHERE at ANYTIME) We won. One bad result was that SOME people got military training in this fight then LATER turned against US. We turned away from afghanistan and it is now obvious IN HINDSITE that we shouldn't have done that. We turned away from other countries too after the cold war. Most of these DID NOT CHOOSE to declare jihad against the citizens (Not military but citizens) of the US. The CIA is not responsible for the actions of INSANE people.

SO many people don't seem to get this basic idea.
There is NO equivilant between american policies and purposely killing civilians.
These 2 things have NOTHING in common.
Whatever america has ever done was NOTHING like this I don't care WHAT you say.

WE were attacked. WE are the victim. People QUIT trying to act like we caused this or deserve it for something we did in the past. We NEVER did anything like this and comparisions to military actions we took against country we were at war with and this unprovoked attack at civilians have no merit at all.

Either way it matters very little. No matter WHAT this "escalates" into. If they wanna play with germ warfare you MUST know that is childsplay if we choose that route (I doubt we would) Nukes either. If we decide to nuke someone we wont sneak it in a suitcase (Har har har). Whatever they bring we will bring more. However smart they think they are we are 1000% times smarter.

They attacked us and that was a BIG mistake. We have bombs on top of bombs on top of nuclear bombs. They have a 0% chance of winning no matter WHAT they do. If afghanistan colapses tommorow we will win. If every moslem in the WORLD goes to afghanistan to fight us off WE WILL STILL WIN.

Anyone who thinks the solution to this is for us to either pretend there is no problem or worse yet to just absorb any attacks they send is badly misguided. They attacked us for no reason and they will continue to attack no matter what we do. There is only one option and that is to defend ourselves using our military which of course EXISTS ONLY FOR THIS REASON.

If they wanted diplomatic action they should have sent diplomats. They don't. They want us dead. That's why they sent suicide murderers instead.

I for one am not willing to just die for them.

In the words of pres bush.
"We didn't look for this fight. But we WILL win it"

[gotys]

The people in Afghanistan had an opportunity to hand Bin Laden over to US. Instead they chosed not to. Does that bring any issues in your brain?

[gotys]

SonicPuke,

I hate pres Bush, but to the rest of your post I salute Amen!

[Simon]

????

I wasn't justifying the death of the people in New York, you completely misunderstood me. I was talking about the Taliban killing 10s of thousands of Afghanis over the decades.
I thought i had made it clear beofore, but apparently not. NOTHING excuses what happened in New York. N.O.T.H.I.N.G
and the TERRORISTS and everyone else responsible for the attack should be punished. there is not a doubt about that.

[Simon]

What should not be happening and what WILL not happen,
is US nuking everyone in the middle east and quote "getting rid of their race" . I can't believe people would give such a pathetic comments.


Start of a nuclear war is no joke. If it does some day start, which most likely will never happen, is that the face of humanity becomes in daneger of extinctinction. 100 bombs is probebly enough to kill 10 million people. The Russians have enough nukes to kill the entire population of the world 76 times over and over . US 148. China has enough.

So leave such a foolish remarks out of this board for gods sakes.

[sonicpuke]

Well I didn't mean that to be 100% directed at you simon ;) I didn't mention your name though I know why you felt it was directed at you. (Only part of was. I've been holding back for a while so I just ranted for a bit.)

I do think though you are starting down that slippery slope by trying to blame CIA for creating bin laden. If anything they gave him some military training.

My basic point is this.

CIA not responsible. (0% responsibility)
El quieda, Taliban responsible

If they want us out of saudia arabia, palestine, whatever. They should have found some other way. 0% of this is CIA/USA fault.

Saying that something we did/did not do in the past is starting down the path of removing blame from the actual murderers and placing it back on ourselves.

I refuse to do/believe that.

America does more to help the people of the world than any other country in the world.
We donate more money.
We send more food to starving people.
We even send our patriots to DIE when it is needed.

Mistakes are made along the way.
The US is not though responisible for ANYTHING they did in the past to cause this.
Any mistakes made were done for the best of reasons.
We don't take over countries. We are not looking to expand.

Even our MOST MISGUIDED efforts had the best of intentions and were undertaken in the cause of freedom and civil rights.

If the criteria is that if any mistakes are going to be made then we cannot act then we can never act. (Not acting is really not an option though) Mistakes will be made even in this campaign. (I heard a bomb went off course already and hit a civilian area ;( But sometimes we have to act. This case here is about as clear cut as you can possibly get though.

[Simon]

I wonder if the government is concidering the fact that if Musharaf (Pakistani leader) gets thrown out of power by all these muslim radicals that are rising up against US and musharaf himself for helping the allies, the army which is in control of the nuclear weapons they have, will be in their control and the things they may do with that power?

[Simon]

Not likely, but it is a possibility no ?

[sonicpuke]

Well I think the government realizes this. I think this is partly the reason they leaned on pakistan so hard and got thier cooperation early on. They KNOW they have nukes and the situation you describe is mild compared to what COULD happen. (And why we have alied with pakistan early on.)

What if taliban/el quieda invaded pakistan (It's right next door) and got control of these nukes ;(

Because of these nukes letting pakistan fall to mobs really isn't an option. If current government loses control of things us troops will no doubt go in. (The alternative is to let nukes fall into who knows who's hands. Not much of a choice)

It's certainly something to watch out for. I think they are though ;)