Morphious, Kazzaa, Gnutella stealing our Business

[Stallion]

OK....

We all know that TGP's are killing CJ/CJ2 right now. This is not a post about that. There is another problem.... Morphious, Kazzaa, and any clients using the Gnutella protocol.

People can download all the porn they want off these... even movies! I live with 7 other guys in my house at University, all of which download porn all the time. They sure as hell aren't using CJ/CJ2 sites, and they aren't even using TGPs. They are using Morphious. Big problem for us.

There is something we can do about this.
If all of us gathered non-porn material, renamed them to something porn-related, and then shared these files on file-sharing clients, we would water down the amount of free porn out there alot.

Think about it: there are hundreds of webmasters using this message board. If we all did this, we could make a huge portion of the available 'porn' on these clients not really be porn at all! That means that the porn-seekers will be foreced back to the internet for there porn, and start making us some good money again.

If this is going to work, we must ALL do it though. We can't depend on other webmasters doing it. We must water down the supply of free-porn.

Comments welcome.

-Mav.

[playa]

this has been an old issue,, people have been exchanging porn pics for along time now,, but as far as effecting sales and traffic,, i don't think it has

[RaiDeN]

Yup oooh so true. i download a lot of things true that too.


i even thought about making money with programs like kazaa. ans i think its possible. by just sharing some files.

[bitz]

just add your url to some pics/movies ive seen avi files that when you run them it opens up IE and goes to a porn website

[pyro]

well, smart masters are using file sharing programs such as kazaa, and morpheus for advertising, they tag their movies with their addresses .. such as "totalpics.net" if the user likes the movie, he will probably go to the site, same w/ pics.. however what I dont understand is.. they killed napster for sharing music files..but these clients do the same thing, why arent these being attacked by the record giants, not only to these share music files, but also movies.... whats going on??

[playa]

this very much similar to the old newsgroup posting,,,,

numerous times i have downloaded a so called movie and it was just a dialer,,LOL

[The Professional]

I think Stallion points out an important message here. I'm also in university and all my buddies use these programs to get their porn as well.... cause the can get huge highquality movies instead of those shitty little tgp movies we all know about... There must be a way around it besides just tagging movies we post on those programs ourselves... I think the idea of false porn would defer a few users back to internet site porn....

this is a good idea... but there must be an easier way than just renaming a shit load of files.... perhaps some hardcore scripters out there can find a way to generate a huge list of false porn files....

I know I'd be willing to share them on the networks...

just my 0.02 cents :)
good idea Stallion :D

[RaiDeN]

me too. ill add them to my sharelist, I wont even notice on my 1mbit cable account. so nothing too loose.

anyone got ideas, ill be happy to join.

[traffictrader_net]

Well First off, dont promote any file sharing services on your sites =)

Secondly, I dont think it will ever become overwhelmingly popular... I cant even download my favorite southpark episodes from it anymore... most people just dont allow file sharing that much.

And here is the most important thing... The person who uses a newsgroup or gnutella client is only looking for free shit anyway. Do we really care about them in the first place? They aint gonna buy anything. And in order to use the gnutella clients effectively, you have to know what you are looking for , I've never found much looking for XXX porn and shit like that anyway.


Just encourage your schools to turn off the gnutella ports on their firewalls, and the problem will just go away =)

[Doctor Dre]

Check let'S all do seomthing ... get music videos and rename them with porn names . I'l do that . I have over 15 gigs of music videos and I'l rename them

[Doctor Dre]

Originally posted by traffictrader_net:
<STRONG>Well First off, dont promote any file sharing services on your sites =)

Secondly, I dont think it will ever become overwhelmingly popular... I cant even download my favorite southpark episodes from it anymore... most people just dont allow file sharing that much.

And here is the most important thing... The person who uses a newsgroup or gnutella client is only looking for free shit anyway. Do we really care about them in the first place? They aint gonna buy anything. And in order to use the gnutella clients effectively, you have to know what you are looking for , I've never found much looking for XXX porn and shit like that anyway.


Just encourage your schools to turn off the gnutella ports on their firewalls, and the problem will just go away =)</STRONG>

Dude they are looking for free shit CAUZ THERE IS FREE SHIT

don't give them anything and they are gonna pay lol

[ragnar]

Originally posted by playa:
<STRONG>this very much similar to the old newsgroup posting,,,,

numerous times i have downloaded a so called movie and it was just a dialer,,LOL</STRONG>

hey playa thats a good option if they want porn the get porn but i make some money aswell there are alsways some stupid idiots around that press YES I AGREE

about those files good option aswell share them on the networks but i think that dialer will make us more money in short period

[IronManX]

This has been a problem at university's since 1996. B4 kazaa and other gnutella clients it was plain old irc and ftp. B/c at university's you have shitloads of BW and access to servers and shell accounts at no cost.

The solutions are going to come from the university themselves...most of them are shutting down heavy file trading. B/c everyone is "hip" to it.

People have done the "easter egg" thing with napster too. You figure apic should be going after them and Yahoo clubs.

[Matt]

I think the people using these programs have no intentions on pulling out the credit card anyways, so why bother.

[WiredGuy]

Originally posted by Matt:
<STRONG>I think the people using these programs have no intentions on pulling out the credit card anyways, so why bother.</STRONG>

That's exactly why they're not pulling out their credit cards, because they don't need to when there's free porn. Imagine no TGP's and no underground file trading. Business would be booming :-)

Only in real world, there's too much free porn :(

WG

[bramdaman]

Originally posted by pyro:
<STRONG>however what I dont understand is.. they killed napster for sharing music files..but these clients do the same thing, why arent these being attacked by the record giants, not only to these share music files, but also movies.... whats going on??</STRONG>

This is cus napster had it's onw servers which joined all clients together (pc &lt;-- Napster --&gt; pc). All these other programms work peer to peer.(pc &lt;--&gt; pc)

[playa]

just because there is a service out there don't automatically assume every surfer knows about them,,,

shit it wasn't until the last few months before napster got canned is when i first started to download MP3's and also just recently i downloaded my first divx movie,,

and i thought i was an net expert,,LOL

[mukoh]

Those services do not hurt anyone at all. Think about it.
The quality there is ok, but you have to wait 4-5 hours for a download. Some people will just never buy anyway.

[ragnar]

nope it's not good aswell the big tgp's they gife free porn i hope apic or someother company, content providers going after them how much content listed on the hun will be illegal ill bet 75% of the gallerys you think people are stupidno way if they gonna buy it why not rip it from another gallery nobody see's it believe its true

lets hope some mayjor content provider is gonna sue all those fucking free tgps i hope the get down really fast aswell kazaa and all that other shit, think webmasters, they rip our money out of or cj sites aswell some people started tgp's you think you can make money with free-surfers no way, or give them an auto-dialer lets fuck those free-loaders and start making money all of us

this is a circkle jerk board (cj for the stupid dickheads) you know ?

[Pinhead]

Originally posted by playa:
<STRONG>just because there is a service out there don't automatically assume every surfer knows about them,,,</STRONG>

I went to Download.com and did a search for "file sharing". The top three are:

Morpheus 1.3, total downloads: 30,710,416

iMesh 2.20, total downloads: 19,143,348

BearShare 2.3.0, total downloads, 10,007,565

That's around 60 million downloads, so I think they are pretty widely spread.

The thought of tens of millions users downloading porn flicks for free is dismal, to say the least. :(

[HeLiS]

bramdaman your wrong almost all other file sharing places require memberships and because that it means there is a central login server which is the same as napster.....as long as you have to have a l/p to access the file sharing there will always be a central computer and so far i havnt seen one file sharing program where you just get on

all demand you signup and all have banners all over the client so it comes down too this

it took 12months to kill napster.....now they have over 100 file sharing programs atleast....there is 100years worth of work and the record company is now fucked they could have controlled napster instead by killing it they sent 30million people wanting another file sharing client causing a demand any 16year coder could fill :)


just my two cents

Originally posted by bramdaman:
<STRONG>

This is cus napster had it's onw servers which joined all clients together (pc &lt;-- Napster --&gt; pc). All these other programms work peer to peer.(pc &lt;--&gt; pc)</STRONG>

[erotictrance]

These file sharing networks have been sued by the way ... both by the recording and film industries ...

While it certainly can hurt business ... a lot of adult webmasters use it for promotion as well ...

Yes ... lots of people do get free porn from it ... But if you check the message boards, people also experience a lot of technical and security problems with those networks ...

Not just extremely slow downloads but constant virus attacks, mislabeled files, spyware, etc. There's a lot of complaints ...

[Klaus]

The p2p situation is pretty serious. I see that a lot af you dont take this very serious. Well it is a simple ? of demand and supply. The Demand is High for porn(it always has been) and there is plenty of supply(that is what where we are making our money). That means there is a lot of competitions, hard competition. Usually that means that the price on the product will fall, and that is also the case in the adult industry. BUT if you start to give away your product, insted of selling it. Well that is called STUPID. Why give something away for free, when it is putting bread on the table?

I used to leach, from different p2ps, it was before Kazaa, music city, winmx and all the others. All I can say is that is you think 4-5 hours is a long time to get a full lenght porn movie in a quality that is better than VHS.... well you are wrong, I have about 800 full movies i good quality, i pulled down in one semester.
I had a lot of fun doing it, there is a lot of chat services and boards.
Point: I have friends who is dum af dogs... adn they figured it out!
What it comes down to is the spreading of dsl, cabel and so on. That is one of 2 thing that makes leaching possible, the other the the software.


If you don't take it serious, that is a problem. Is there anyone who is big enough to deal with that problem. Dont tell me that the content providers is going to do something about it. Name one that is big enough?

Just so it is clear - I don*t leach anymore. Why? i got boared.

Klaus

[bigsexvideos]

pyro, Napster was using a pyramid-system: they kept info about what user had which files. While these new ones are peer-to-peer based. In other words they should sue every user instead of 1 organisation.

[ragnar]

Originally posted by Klaus:
<STRONG>The p2p situation is pretty serious. I see that a lot af you dont take this very serious. Well it is a simple ? of demand and supply. The Demand is High for porn(it always has been) and there is plenty of supply(that is what where we are making our money). That means there is a lot of competitions, hard competition. Usually that means that the price on the product will fall, and that is also the case in the adult industry. BUT if you start to give away your product, insted of selling it. Well that is called STUPID. Why give something away for free, when it is putting bread on the table?

I used to leach, from different p2ps, it was before Kazaa, music city, winmx and all the others. All I can say is that is you think 4-5 hours is a long time to get a full lenght porn movie in a quality that is better than VHS.... well you are wrong, I have about 800 full movies i good quality, i pulled down in one semester.
I had a lot of fun doing it, there is a lot of chat services and boards.
Point: I have friends who is dum af dogs... adn they figured it out!
What it comes down to is the spreading of dsl, cabel and so on. That is one of 2 thing that makes leaching possible, the other the the software.


If you don't take it serious, that is a problem. Is there anyone who is big enough to deal with that problem. Dont tell me that the content providers is going to do something about it. Name one that is big enough?

Just so it is clear - I don*t leach anymore. Why? i got boared.

Klaus</STRONG>

good point Klaus with all these programs out there we dont make money at all cause they are all using that shit

aswell those big tgp's that aren't trading or using dialers i hope some company can get them down it will be better for the most of us on this board, when they go down people have to search for it, some of the dickheads click on the sponsors and give their credit card out thats what we want isn't it ;)

[IronManX]

I believe that kazaa and morpheus use “super peer” technology.

The problem with Gnutella was that it could not scale well b/c it was Peer to Peer.

The problem with true peer2peer is that if you need a file it will take a LONG time to find it, because you are searching through the entire network to find the file.

With a “super peer” you essentially have a directory of the files in the network. That way your query is directed to the super peer node and not all around the peers.

I think the largest folks will go after kazaa and fast track, the makers of the technology. I would think that Vivid and other adult video manufacturers will go after these leechers with a shit load of fake files.

The real problem I have is that I like the technology, I just believe there is no _legitimate_ use for the average consumer. It pisses me off that programming hangouts like slashdot bitch and moan about Kazaa and Napster et al should be available--even as they watch copyright holders rights being violently abused. Then they bitch about GPL violations.

I think that it also represents the problem of free porn. TGPs are going to continue to get fucked as folks shift more resources _hopefully_ to TGP2 and reviving Circle Jerks.

I wish the more large sponsors would step in and offer better rates and more incentives for people to run TGP2s and Circle Jerks. It really benefits paysites the most. The more difficult it is to get reliable free porn the better!

[toker]

Duh.. sponsors give porn away to promote their sites or do you now understand the actual concept of advertising..?

Jeez folks i have seen porn being traded on IRC for about 10 years and same for software and music. Now you shut down the sharing programs people still have IRC and you cant shut down IRC because there is no way to patrol 18k indivduals who trade directly.

Many have already tried uploading fake porn matter fact i have a video thats about a meg and totally blank. Sure a dialup user might be pissed and go elsewhere but a guy on DSL who spent 30 sec of his time will just try again.

I see alot of you keep saying dialers why are dialers any differ for converting sales?

You think a user who dont want to pay for porn would rather spend $40 for a few mins or $40 for a whole month?

I think some folks need to get their head out of their ass and face reality. There is people who actually join a sponsor grab some images to make their galleries who fuck it up for everyone. But i pay for my content unless its given by sponsor and i have every right to market as much or as little of it the way i want.

I spend to make but im still making the content provider money so it trickles down the line.

Sponsor - Content Provider
Webmaster - Content Provider
Surfer - Sponsor - Webmaster
Then it repeats in a cycle...

This is how the biz is supposed to work and i think a big solution although still not 100% cheat proof is to force gallery builders to display licensing info on every gallery. This way if a gallery is submitted with no licensing info or you know dam well stamped pics with www.this.com (http://www.this.com) promoting www.that.com (http://www.that.com) are stolen you reject it.

I have seen guys using lightspeed marked shit to promote their TGP among many other things and i would not list that shit. My reason is not to kill free porn but if i play by rules you dam well better do the same on my site.

So there are ways to start besides lets ram a dialer and fuck the surfer who just go online yesterday as all surfers are not bad. I was a surfer long before i was a webmaster and when i was 16 i was grabbing warez and porn. Guess what by my 3rd year online i was 17 and had over 30k images from IRC which i lost later due to a virus. :p

I can see by what others have said they did the same shit and now they are the ones saying how bad it is. I dont see a big prob with personal trading a pic or two for a guy who just got online but i see a very big problem with many webmasters in this biz.

Sure you can fuck them with dialers and they wont come back to TGPs again they will just head to the local video store and it will cost them much less. Not to say dialers are total shit they may serve some needs for a limited amount of surfers but not for all. Secondly you dont think when dialer needs update there goes any future mins you could have gotten unlike recurring.

Just think if you had 100 recurring members could make a nice amount of money and as you get more over time you would make much more then any dialer would bring for a short time.

Lastly i dont think any of you take notice while you push join4free type programs users pay $0 just an email and they get free porn. Matter fact most of those program list a huge archive of every past image for new users to enjoy. So you dont mind if they get unlimited free shit and you make $1 but then you say its wrong for me to give 15 free images to try and make my recurring signups.

You can talk about it over and over or you can start doing something TGP owners can limit say minimum 10 and max 20 images per gallery. Personally i would never give more then 15 now days and i try to stick to more teaser shit unless im promoting hardcore.

I just hope a few people dont think they can tell every other what we must do with our sites because i live in America and i have every god given right under my laws to list and give away as much shit as i legally can.

Dont impose your belief of CJ and Dialers upon everyone because i will never have a dialer on my sites PERIOD. I will never stop promoting my legal content like it or not and my free content on TGPs makes me more then any jerk em crap traffic ever has.

If others would agree to to content disclaimers i would gladly back that movement 100% and TGP2 nor CJ with stolen thumbs does not hold a remedy for content theft period. So lets hear what others think of this and who would be for joining a more logical solution besides how to fuck surfers with dialers and fake porn.

This is my $10 contrubution for the week. :)

[erotictrance]

Great comments ...

I don't underestimate these file trading networks ... I was just pointing out that there's a lot of operational problems with them as well ...

I believe there has to be some porn for promotional value ... but it also has to be controlled ...

Personally ... I won't put any videos that I produce on the net until I can afford the fool-proof piracy protection the majors use to protect their stuff ...

The key is not to let anyone copy it in the first place ... period ...

[boneprone]

maybe we should buy add space from them!