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toker
10-05-2002, 03:19 AM
More BS now we have to allow free advertising for our competetors. But wait theres more so much more we have yet to hear about...

I can just imagine it now go to buy a membership and you get a message.

Dear Customer,

Before you finalize your purchase please check out some of these fine competetors sites and be sure this is the subscription you wish to purchase. If you wish to make 3-4 additional subscriptions you may chage back the services you do not find to be satisfactory. We hope we can provide you with even more great services just have a look at our portal below before you press the checkout button.


We dont get merchant so we still have no rights and features appear to have been implimented to help the competetors. I can just see how its going to work already. Aparently CCBill is still working on what they plan to do to fuck us because the email they sent under mastercard says "Several other rules will be changed and we will advise you as soon as these are solidified.". Sounds like they are all still looking for ways to screw us and will prob just wait to see what others do first.


Email i just got from ibill and this was not in the brochure they sent me----- :mad:

It is our mutual responsibility to ensure that we fully comply with all
regulations implemented by the card associations. iBill is committed to seamlessly implementing the new regulations while retaining a business model that is good for our company and our clients. Below is a summary of the requirements for Visa and MasterCard that we must implement by November 1st:

VISA
* Each Sponsored Merchant must complete a registration form
that iBill will submit to Visa on their behalf.
* Visa and our processor will require an initial registration
fee of $750; $500 will be paid to Visa and $250 to our processor.
* Visa and our processor will require an annual registration
fee of $375; $250 will be paid to Visa and $125 to our processor.
* Sponsored Merchants must be approved by Visa before we can
begin processing Visa transactions.
* The pay page must present the client's country of domicile.
* iBill must provide Visa with monthly sales, chargeback and
refund data on each Sponsored Merchant for Visa's review. Sponsored Merchants not performing to Visa standards can be terminated directly by Visa.
* The credit card descriptors must pass iBill's name, as well
as the Sponsored Merchants name. Sponsored Merchants will have 10 characters to identify their name ie: iBillCS.com*Merchant Name
* iBill pay pages must include the following language: "iBill
is a designated payment processor for Merchant Name. iBillCS.com*Merchant Name will appear on your cardholder statement."
* Sponsored Merchants must display their privacy policy on
their site. iBill will provide a web resource to assist clients in adopting a privacy policy.
* Sponsored Merchants will need to update each of their master
accounts client email address with a single email address. This will help iBill create a single identification number for your business.

MasterCard
* The join page that resides on our client's server can no longer negotiate any aspect of the transaction. iBill will provide all clients with a standard join page format that our compliance group will approve for account activation.
* Selection of specific purchase options for goods and services will occur on a join page on iBill's servers.
* iBill must allow for consumers to make purchases from multiple iBill client sites. iBill will support a consumer portal and all clients will be required to register their sites on the portal.
* At the time of checkout, iBill must offer the consumer the ability to make additional purchases. iBill receipts will now contain a link to this portal for additional consumer purchases.
* MasterCard logos cannot be displayed on the client's servers.


This whole fucking thing is bullshit and i think we should all ban together and fight this shit. Were the ones making the money not the 3rd party billing union and we have fucking rights!!!

Lets get some ideas of what we can do we still have time to beat this shit. :cussing:

Freakster.net
10-05-2002, 03:28 AM
WHAT?!

Thats fucking hillarious.. I'm gonna upsell other sites? and they suggest to charge back?! SO.. I get the surfer.. he signs up, gets email, signs up for another 3, charge backs 3 including mine to keep the best... result: I'm fucked. Chargeback ratios will go higher and higher which will justify them to charge higher chargeback penalties that will be passed on to webmaster.... fucked over again.

I don't think so... this is a fucking joke.

Third party billers can kiss my ass good bye when this comes true......

turbo
10-05-2002, 03:33 AM
".....* iBill must allow for consumers to make purchases from multiple iBill client sites. iBill will support a consumer portal and all clients will be required to register their sites on the portal.
* At the time of checkout, iBill must offer the consumer the ability to make additional purchases. iBill receipts will now contain a link to this portal for additional consumer purchases. ... "


oh this is rich. wtf?!

toker
10-05-2002, 03:42 AM
You aint the only one my friend trust me and i got nuttin to loose except everything i have...

Also by the term big brother i mean the big billing companies this whole fucking thing is part of their plan.

Why is it they refuse to show us the words direct from Visa or MC?

Why is there no press release about this anywhere?

How come they didnt tell us 2 months ago things are going to change prepair for it. Not telling us everything but some hint as to what we should expect.

Notice how none of those big fuckers who caused all this shit seem to care. I dont see even Lensman make one comment about this whole situation even if it does not concern him but its all over his board. The fact they release this info on GFY before sending email to the clients first makes even more pissed..

What made them choose GFY anyway and why did they not hit any other boards.... hmmmmm....

Im so fucking pissed i wont even be able to get good sleep this whole weekend!!!!

mGreg
10-05-2002, 04:31 AM
WTF? fuck them :cussing:

I dont see even Lensman make one comment about this whole situation even if it does not concern him but its all over his board.

Perhaps it's because it's prolly going to benifit all the big guys :(

ultra160
10-05-2002, 04:39 AM
It seems that all they are saying is "We don't want adult business". The answer is to set up another payment system. If the Americans can't do it, then the Russians or the Nigerians will, what will happen to chargebacks then.

It really is time for a cash transfer system on the net. Not a credit payment system or anything like that, just a simple cash transfer. If you haven't got the cash you can't pay, if you've paid you don't get it back unless you go to court to claim it.

toker
10-05-2002, 04:43 AM
Sure explian how i transfer cash on the internet?

I suppose my PC will fax the money to your printer.. :rolleyes:

ultra160
10-05-2002, 04:51 AM
Be nice if you could, what I suppose I meant was "virtual cash" (stupid phrase - sorry). It's done now with email transfers, but because some people deposit by credit card, the cc rules apply. If you had an email transfer that took deposits by debit or bank transfer, then they ought to get out of the cc rules restrictions. Trouble is I think they are trying to include chargebacks for debits now aren't they.

toker
10-05-2002, 06:45 AM
Debit is just the same as a check pretty much its not like cash if i dont have money i get a NSF fee like a check. But yes i can do chargeback and have benifits of CC with my debit card aswell lucky for me after i had over $500 stolen from my bank.

Anyway paypal is cash like your talking about and no matter what its to much just to let people send private transactions. The IRS does not like that idea im sure that will be on reason Visa gets backed so it will be easier to audit webmasters.

ultra160
10-05-2002, 07:06 AM
I've got a Paypal account but won't alow payments through it for Ebay transactions as I understand that if they use a credit card to pay PayPal charge backs still apply.

eMail transfer seems the way forward when the banks get involved.

Toxictoy
10-05-2002, 08:26 AM
Even better I love how they set up a system that keeps these registration fees coming in:

Visa and our processor will require an annual registration
fee of $375; $250 will be paid to Visa and $125 to our processor

It's like paying extra tribute to the king. I'm disgusted by this whole turn of events.

MichaelH
10-05-2002, 08:50 AM
Go offshore! I bet there will soon be a couple new billing companies opening their doors in order to compete with the monopolists...

AdultbouncerRob
10-05-2002, 09:01 AM
The US is definetely in this because their economy sucks ass.

Get your own merchant account!

We now have one and don't have this problem because we deal directly with the bank/Visa.

Sweetie
10-05-2002, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by AdultbouncerRob
Get your own merchant account!

We now have one and don't have this problem because we deal directly with the bank/Visa.

Well if that's all it takes to avoid the bullshit, this link might help.

http://www.usa.visa.com/business/merchants/get_account_list.html

AdultbouncerRob
10-05-2002, 11:44 AM
No page there :)

Sweetie
10-05-2002, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by AdultbouncerRob
No page there :)

Hmm, I just checked it. It worked for me.

AdultbouncerRob
10-05-2002, 02:56 PM
oops stupid me :) thanks

Freakster.net
10-05-2002, 04:52 PM
Rob is always on crack.. :D

I'll have to go merchant as well? :( I doubt I can get one in Canada... I'd probably have to register a corporation in Delaware and use a company such as netbilling to get the merchant account... kinda a pain in the @$$! :(

AdultbouncerRob
10-08-2002, 09:52 AM
Thank god I have a merchant.

Screw all the billers and their pay pages..

This stuff is only happening in the US and I bet AssCrotch or ashcroft is having visa do it so he can crack down on porn easier since everyones business will be based in the US.

MichaelH
10-08-2002, 10:18 AM
This case reminds me to the US government trying to put sanctions on the world's import/export economics... like if they wanted to penalize the rest of the world for their own economic problems... That event almost asked for a huge trade war instead of fixing their internal problems on their own.

They better spend their billions for an economy recovery instead of an eventual Iraq war...

Now flame me :p

Freakster.net
10-08-2002, 10:19 AM
Nah, no flame, you're right. :)