TGP Script makers - THINK a bit about what features you bring out!!!

[MichaelH]

Today, this is the most hilarious feature i had to do with since i began in this biz.

While i was submitting one of my galleries today , i received a real funny message :

The download speed from your server does not meet the minimum required.: NA

Who can ever think about such a feature ?!?!
You guys should be the first one to know that the download speed CAN'T be an absolute value, but just a RELATIVE value dependant from SO MANY factors!

While you might have yourself a connection to a page which sux in speed from your business big time, your next neighbour might reach the exact same page in a snap, maybe even while sitting on the same connection!

How can you know add features which make could now penalize EVERY one, just because the server from which the tgp scripts runs doesn't reach a certain in time ?!?

That is sooo funny guys... You cut yourself in the throat like this.
Because the more those features will penalize honest webmasters (even sitting on a fast good host), the more those webmasters will avoid specifically those sites making it one the more difficult to submit to...

...and thus the less galleries will be submitted in the long-term... and thus the more absolete tgp-scripts offering features like above will become absolete...

...and thus the less copies of your tgp-software might be sold out in long-term.

Same thing with some owners which reject galleries when images are not bigger than 30-40kb...! I and i know a few more webmasters avoid those sites, because they know how to compress images properly without cutting down in visual quality!

Bet tomorrow if i submit the exact same page, my gallery WILL be accepted, because the server from which the script work will certainly have a better connection???

Such a feature is simply HILARIOUS and unnecessary...

My other 2 beers for today

[Nima]

thats the most stupidest feature I have ever seen :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Toxictoy]

That is totally ridiculous.

Let's be real here. Where is the TGP owner's server? It might be in Prague! Will any server in the US connect to it quickly? Doubtful - maybe. Also - the converse is true. However - they are discounting an entire segment of surfers and TGP submitters.
Does this TGP owner ever look at the www.internettrafficreport.com site? There are routers well outside webmaster control that are down all over the place.

If you're a newbie TGP owner - for the sake of your surfers and your fellow webmasters - just take a look at the rules at say Richard's Realm or some other big TGP. These guys accept pics as low as 15k, can have as few pics as 10 in a gallery, and don't have any ridiculous rules such as speed. We have to make our galleries to a low common denominator that all the TGP's share. If you are asking for 30k pics then you don't know what you're doing.

[Sexzity]

I use Brownie and all the fetures you don't like.

Brownie has been set to check you speed on your server to ensure that the surfers can connect to it. If i did't use this feture, and mith sitting for hours to check dead galleries.
The size of the images has something to do with a lot of gallery makes use images as low as 10kb. No surfer want to look at a images on that size at the top corner of the screen.

[mistuhhh]

I guess all feature have to have been needed at some point

[ultra160]

The problem is that there are too many newbies in this business :D

[Armed & Hammerd]

I completely agree. Having a feature-rich application is nice but it can get out of control very easily and end up driving the price of the the product to an unreasonable level. I have seen a lot of features of other scripts that are nothing but nit-picky and result in an overweight program that does more harm than good.

[mistuhhh]

ultra hit it on the head,,,btw is that your sexelf domain they are appraising on dnforum :)

[ultra160]

Yes.
I put it on there because I had a lot of adverse comments about it here, and I wanted a second opinion.

I still think that "it's not what you've got, it's how you use it" applies.

[MichaelH]

Originally posted by Sexzity
Brownie has been set to check you speed on your server to ensure that the surfers can connect to it.

Well, i don't know if it's a Brownie feature, from the script layout, it is not. Actually, i didn't know that Brownie has this feature too, but apparently most Brownie webmasters are wise enough to not use this feature, otherwise thousands of LEGIT pages would be unnecessary denied.

But Sexzity, think about it... How can a server ENSURE that OTHER surfers will see the site fast or not! This is a too subjective and relative issue!

What if your server is overloaded for example by having your script installed on an (over)crowded virtual account, what if the region of your server is now at this very moment pretty much congested... now who's problem is it? The script's server problem or my server's problem ? If it's the script server's problem, does it now mean the whole rest of the world does not reach that page quickly ??? NO.

As i said, while you could get take a cup of coffee until one of your pages loads completely, your next neighbour wouldn't even notice any speed issues while accessing the same page...

About the image file size feature, i was more talking about the abusing of the file size feature - while it might be good to make sure that 10-15kb thumbs don't get through, there's quite a bunch of webmasters wanting 30-40kb minimum, while those same images would appear exactly the same with something like 25-30kb.
And here, with the image file size feature, we can talk about ABSOLUTE values (because file sizes are not dependant of location, congestion, etc etc etc...), not RELATIVE.

In my subject, it's about RELATIVE values, not ABSOLUTE.

[mistuhhh]

yeah i agree...i have seen some 20 character ones with 5 dashes hit the big numbers..dont really matter nowadays

[Freakster.net]

Maybe the speed thingy is a "stupid" feature.. but I sure big site owners dont mind the skimming it does.. less galeries to revire plus you eliminate the slow ones.. sure its unfair and you eliminate some good and fast ones by mistake.. but they stiff save time :rolleyes:

[pornodoggy]

I'd use that feature. As it stands now, I give a gallery 2 chances to load when I'm checking manually. It doesn't load quick enough on the 2nd try, it's history. Yes, some galleries are likely to be "unfairly" dropped, and as a gallery builder I would hate that, but life's tough.

[MichaelH]

Lol, then you guys can be prepared to have A LOT of galleries simply declined because of such 'mistakes'. The more unnecessary declined galleries you will encounter, the more this will begin to annoy you (because you KNOW that your galleries are FAST), and you might eventually think about that matter completely different. :p

It's a pitty for the hard work, a pitty for a recip you put up which you won't be able to change, since on that same page other recips have been already submitted to.

I think in the futur, the masses of prematurely declined galleries will piss off a lot of GOOD gallery makers (who host their stuff on fast servers), so much that they will even avoid those sites with the feature on. It will only harm the site's owner because he'll definately LOOSE GOOD GALLERY MAKERS. It's as simple as that.

For instance, my gal has been declined for just that reason, at only one site. If this case persists, i'll simply avoid the site in futur because it's a waste of my time. I won't buy a new server just for that site, would you? Screw it.

And Pornodoggy, i completely agree with you, as a site owner i give a few times a gallery a chance to load, too... BUT this is manually. How many times did you reload that gallery and it actually loaded pretty fast, while you realized that it might only have been your own connection which sucked.

And Freak, how can it still save time, if the script might wipe out good and bad galleries as well ? You don't save anything this way, they just cut down on the amount of galleries which is a thing which can be fixed differently but not with this feature. And actually you're right, they'll save themselves good gallerymakers, since they will be avoided in the futur.

For my part, i won't use any of those features like above, because nothing can/will replace the human eye and senses. An human eye can sense if a gallery has been very nicely designed or not, even if some of the images are smaller than usual, the quality is still GOOD.

An human being knows by experience if a gallery (which has been submitted plenty of times and then was accepted) loads generally fast or slow. If you got contact with the site's owner, he'll also know where you're hosted and can judge himself if it's good enough or could be a risk for 'script mistakes'... Take some freehosts, there are a couple which are known to be very very slow, that's why they get avoided, by experience.

And these are things a script won't ever be able to replace. Human sense and experience.

Don't take my opinion as i would know about everything good or bad. But it's just a couple of business related reflexions which i feel need to be written down, and nothing else :cool: