Legalizing money (and boyfriens ;-)

[Co(in)sultant]

A hell lot of insults gone through the topic "How to legalize money?", but no useful info at all.

My totalled thoughts (and knowledge) on it:
a) Porn production&distribution in Russia is prohibited;
b) Content theft is prohibited anywhere http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif;
c) According to Russian legislation, Russian resident (RR) cannot open accounts with foreign banks.
d) But according to the legislation of any other country where the bank is incorporated, RR is considered just like any other person (in terms of opening the account), so an account can be opened.
e) I never heard of any foreign (for Russians ;-) bank which has opened an account to RR and then forwarded this info to Russian tax authorities, Russian Central Bank or currency-control authorities. It will ruin bank's reputation, because nor the bank, nor RR violated legislation by the account-opening procedure.
f) There're some ways to get money in Russia and to legalize received funds there - in one case, say, "brux" or any other guy can provide "consulting (insulting, heh) services" to any RUSSIAN company or firm which will provide such services to, say, Bahamas company which will maintain adult entertainment website. This way, naturally, your Russian company or firm becomes liable to Russian taxes - but guys, will you ever realize that there's NO business WITHOUT taxes?..

[war2exp]

Well cant u have a friend in another country send u the money after tax...?
They could say ur there programer , website designer etc.

[Co(in)sultant]

Well, Russian Labor&Employment legislation is such a mess... that you won't like to mess with it. Problems with tax authorities will arise when you, as an individual, will become this way as an employee of the foreign company (and most problems will be not yours, but mentioned company'...)

From my experience, it's quite easier to make and execute a duly (and very... carefully, avoiding all legal rifes (sp?))prepared contract between foreign and Russian legal entity (carefully means that Russian company will not act as (or form) a representative office of the foreign company in terms of instructions of Russian Tax Inspection). This way Russian Co. can receive funds for some (which kind of - my little know-how) services provided, and RR will work for _Russian_ company. He's not associated with foreign entity (and its activity). Period. (c) Scar. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif
Surely, taxes have to be minimized using standard procedures (using offshores, double-taxation treaties between country of residence of the foreign entity and Russian Federation and so on).

[war2exp]

So it wouldnt be a good idea for me to sign up to sponsors and send the money to russian webmasters ?
Man are the russians going to come to australia and give me a spanking or somthing ?
What if a russian did some programing for me and i payed them ? would they ring me ?

[gse]

what is the percantage you have to pay for income taxes in Russia?
also what about other taxes, such as real estate tax or sales tax on goods?

[Co(in)sultant]

All previous post were adressed more to Russian webmasters, but if we got interest from another 5/6 of the world... http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Well, sending a direct wire to RR's account in _Russian_ bank isn't the best idea (you may cause this way a problem to Russian webmaster - tax inspection will have Qs to him and so on). But if RR says OK, meaning he'll handle possible problems - that's OK. Your (foreign) company or you as an individual (whoever makes a payment) aren't liable to anything in Russia. No problems at all for foreigners.
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Income tax rate is 35%. VAT is 20%, sales tax (I can go wrong, but..) - 5%.

[richard]

i believe sales tax and vat are one and the same (?).

[Co(in)sultant]

The problem (mentioned in my second message) could be if foreign company performs any _activity_ in Russia (and this way earms profit from the Russian source). Payment for the services provided by RR is NOT a _profit_.

[Co(in)sultant]

In Russia, when you sell a product as a company, your price includes VAT (20%), and if as an individual - "tax on sale" (direct translation from Russian) (5%).

[gse]

35% on income tax? I heard rumors about 60-70%. just a rumors?

[Co(in)sultant]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by gse:
35% on income tax? I heard rumors about 60-70%. just a rumors?</font>

Yep.

[Co(in)sultant]

More on income taxe rate in Russia: and in some regions of RF some enterprises are not liable to 22%-payments to republic (~state) budget, and this way income tax is 13%-payment to federal (~federal ;-)) budget.

[gse]

do you also pay taxes say on real estate if you own the house? what are they?

[Co(in)sultant]

gse, dunno, I specialize in other things. AFAIK - no (or somewhat low), but I can pass a Q to my colleagues to get a correct answer, if you're really interested.

[gse]

yep, I'm interested to find out
many years passed since I left Latvia, not the same as Russia, but still I guess lot has changed

[sairanx]

just pay your taxes to the governement and it will be able to organise your country...

[Co(in)sultant]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by gse:
yep, I'm interested to find out
many years passed since I left Latvia, not the same as Russia, but still I guess lot has changed</font>

OK, will do it on Monday (if won't forget ;-).

[Co(in)sultant]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by sairanx:
just pay your taxes to the governement and it will be able to organise your country...</font>

My thoughts are, you will gladly pay your bill in the restaurant if they serve you a nice dinner, if waiters were quick and the music (if any ;-) was live and pleasant.

But I doubt you'll do the same (gladly, remember? Willingly, I might add...) if a waiter was a jerk, the bill was twice higher than it'd be (just... miscounts, you know), a hooligan came from the street and spit on your tale (and security just shrug their shoulders - they're underpaid, you know... and there's corruption amongst them... they really concentrate on THIS matter - not on SECURING your privacy and meal ;-) and so on...

Do not tell me such a nonsense: "pay your taxes in full and all'll be just fine". HEH! I surely can add 11th of "10 most FAQs over Internet" ("To be or not to be?..", "Who the fuck is Alice?.." and such): "Do you know where your taxes paid go?.." Escpecially in Russia?

Since corruption between bureaucrats (I mean - authorities, man) in Russia grows like a cancer, since business (in it's "west" meaning) was started from the scratch just a few years ago - and all the business practices, procedures & _ethics_ are "yet to come" - do not tell me stories, OK? Save your time.

And hey, watch the tread: I mentioned before that there's no business without taxes. You've to pay, surely! - but if you can legally minimize fees and dues, you're not a criminal, you're man with brains, no?

By many former soviet "officials" and "authorities" any businessman is still considered like a person who steals from state (such a presumption of guiltiness) by fact - and this way such BM should pay all he earns to make "state" (read: bureaucracy) grows... Do you so naive? Do you think that Russian webmasters are using foreign companies, banks, accounts, other entities and services provided just because they hate their country? - They just have no other option to choose, they cannot carry out their business in Russia because there're to little... possibilities to carry out business in Russia legally and not to starve to the death (or become a bankrupt) in a year.

Over.

[Scar]

Here I come and everybody leaves...
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Just joking.

The thread about legality in Russia was quite entertaining but I had actually to rest a bit after it...guess why? Had a lot of nightmares about godzillas, gold mines and nasdaq though...strange...

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Ok , to the point.
I personally would not reccomend to try legalize buisness in Russia at all.
My recommendation is to do what most of experienced people were always doing - open a bank account in a foreign bank somewhere in Europe preferrably and that's it...
Another simple way is to purchase ready offshore company because it is relatively cheap and You get bank account with it and NOMINAL DIRECTORS if You need it.
Which sometimes can be usefull...

The way to get money from bank account somewhere in Ireland for example is always quite easy too. If it aint huge money You simply hold a credit card for the company's account and use it in ATM machines or if funds are serious You can purchase a company in Russia and receive a credit from Your own company abroad...

I have to point out that details are a secret to me, because I dont do it myself. I use a bit more complicated way and have a financial company wich represents my interests and handles all accounts/wires problems. But the way I described above will work also.

Another way is also to hire a financial company to do these things for You because it usually aint that expensive also.

What I WILL NOT reccomend is to receive checks from Your sponsors or wires.
First of all You never know when they gonna report You to tax authorities.
In case You will get around 10K$ or so (though in Russia it is a rare thing, but in future who knows?) in one month is almost the same is to go around with a notice pinned to Your face "ARREST ME".

Why I would not reccomend to legalize at all? Dont think I am some crazy person. The thing is that (learn this phrase by heart http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif ) FUCKERS ALWAYS FUCK THE ONE WICH IS CLOSEST.

Which means that the to this day to my experience THE MORE YOU LEGALIZE - THE MORE YOU GET FUCKED.
It is a law in russian buisness actually. As soon as You report Your income to taxes You will be the one to be fucked for taxes (unless it is 100% clean which I beleive it wont be).

Gotta go...
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God created a goat. To create a russian legal webmaster was a stupid repeating!
(c) Twain M.

[gse]

Scar,
don't get me wrong, but I just don't get something in your words.
If you are just talking about russian webmasters doing adult stuff on the internet. By russian law it is illegal - ok, I get this part.
Now what you saying that Russia doesn't have legal strip clubs, legal escort services? Are they all illegal?

Now how about local businesses in Russia, such as Mcdonald, Toyota dealers, etc
They sure have foreign connections with banks and everything. Do they all wear signs 'arrest me'?
Please elaborate

[Scar]

BTW, sorry for rude landguadge. I am rude ONLY to those who deserve it (yes sounds strange... http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif).

To explain a bit what I meant I will tell You something from my own experience...

About four years ago I had a meeting in Moscow whith a quite powerfull person in the pharmacuiticals buisness.
The guy at that time represented interests of several huge (!) foreign pharm companies unofficially and officially was a CEO in Moscow of one known German pharm company.

What he told me with great anger was that his company was fucked by Russian tax authorities 8 fucking times a day, though HE PAYED EVERY SINGLE PENNY of taxes.
On the other hand none of his buisness friends who payed NOTHING for taxes did have any problems.

This has not changed much. Our tax authorities really have no time to go around and search for people, they prefer to fuck those who're close...

Especially this will be true for internet buisness simply because it is relatively new here and spoken much about in media.

[mukoh]

Scar.
To open a foreign company offshore which will work for you, with board of directors is at least $2,500 for countries like Belize, and Caymans. Belize is the best.

For countries like Switzerland it is $8,000 to open and $2,000 a year. But oops sorry. Russian citizens are not allowed in Swiss bank system.

Same success can be made with american or canadian bank account, for cheaper.

[mukoh]

I don't know. Listening to Scar is funny.

Since all people who left Russia are basically traitors and turned their back on their people. At least from what he says.

[Scar]

TO GSE:
You didnt get me. Should have been slightly more attentive.

Only PORN is prohibited.
There's a great difference between porn and adult biz.

To make it simple - PORN is PORNOGRAPHY. Tapes. Pics. Stories too can be pornography (fucking Kama Sutra was called porn in Soviet times. Really http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Dont know if they will call it so again).

So a PORN SITE is illegal. That is all sites with PORN content. IE any site with actuall content - pay site, free site, name it Yourself.

This DOES NOT and never did include strip clubs which are ADULT BIZ.
Adult Biz is buisness related with sex. Such are sex shops, strip clubs and stuff alike.

For example if You take sexhound wich was mentioned before , most probably it will be "adult buisness" or whatever else, because sexhound does not have any actual PORNOGRAPHY content , just links. Same goes for ANY search engine..

Even motherfucking russian banner networks are excluded from law because they are just providing services for webmasters and each banner wich is PORN can help to sue it's owner only.

Also erotics are not prohibited (take Playboy for example).

Got it?

[Scar]

DAMN IT!!!
NIGHTMARES AGAIN!!!
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2500$ is slightly too much.
Check with recent prices on offshores. I think THE MOST expensive is 3$K It is cheaper for Europe and what point is there?
For a good free site webmaster it is what they do in a month easily.

8000$ is not correct for Swiss banks I beleive.
Or may be partially wrong.
The bank we use required much more (sorry cant disclose it). You can probably find all info on Swiss banks on their homepages Yourself.

[mukoh]

Scar.
What are you talking about? If we are talking about a shelf corporation offshore that keeps your name out of the banks books, with board of directors, principals and trusts. You should pay at least $2,500 for carribean countries.

Switzerland managed services which means, a corporation is established, with board of directors, all the principals. Is going to cost you at least $8,000 and $2,000 a year.
Hehehe and this is not the kind of thing you would want to try to save money on. You are playing with some pretty serious people when it comes to this.

And how would you know about switzerland banks? Russians are not allowed there?

[Co(in)sultant]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by mukoh:
Scar.
To open a foreign company offshore which will work for you, with board of directors is at least $2,500 for countries like Belize, and Caymans. Belize is the best.</font>

Belize is $1500+$500 for nominee director (and my company has not the cheapest prices, I might add). And never use Caymans - bad reputation. Belize is OK, so is Panama.

Russian citizens are not allowed in Swiss bank system.

Bullshit.

Same success can be made with american or canadian bank account, for cheaper.

Yep.

[mukoh]

Coinsultant.
Russian citizens, i.e. russian passport and no other documentation, will not be allowed to have switzerland bank accounts since 1998 because of the newly written and passed laws. And because of last years new laws with IRS and agreements with Switzerland, american residents are not allowed swiss bank accounts, or they must report them on their taxes? OK?
I tried to set my russian friend up with an account a year ago, the manager who i have known for 5 years now, refused and said everyone will refuse also. New laws.

And 2 of my american friends got the shaft in august. New law came out which put IRS in agreement with Swiss banks. NO AMERICAN RESIDENTS. Or they must declare their bank accounts from switzerland.

[Co(in)sultant]

Regarding Swiss banks: no Swiss bank, AFAIK, will open a current account for RR (or his company) this time. Savings & investments accounts are OK, but you have to keep a high balance (say, low six-digit). Price of opening such an account in Moscow (and some banks will even open _personal_, not corporate, accounts for Russians) is varied from one agent to another but never exceeds $1000.

[mukoh]

Coinsultant, email me at webmaster@drfuns.com ok?

[Scar]

Mukoh?
What ass did You sprang out from?
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Dont take as an insult though...


Check out http://www.vese.ru - one of the most expensive if not most expensive companies in Moscow to deal with that kind of shit. Check their prices.

Also, swiss account for a Russian is definetely YES (and NO for american).
Go see sites of Swiss Banks and country restrictions before You speak. I dont know what You tried. I know what we do.


TO GSE ALSO:
About that Toyota stuff and accounts in simple landguadge:
A PHYSICAL (dont know right term in english) PERSON (i.e. a simple man , not a company) cant open a foreign legal bank account.
Companies can (of course it has to have license. Wonder when air breathing will be taxed).

[Co(in)sultant]

Scar, bank account in US for Russian individual - definitely no. But acc. for a company owned by Russian - hardly, but yes (there were a hell lot of problems last year, but they are solved... for now).

[gse]

scar
come to US, air breathing is already under tax consideration. (so it seems, literally LOL)
I hear people bitching about russian laws and red tape, you've seen nothing yet.

chto govorjat pomnish? Xorosho tam gde nas net

[Co(in)sultant]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Scar:
Check out http://www.vese.ru - one of the most expensive if not most expensive companies in Moscow to deal with that kind of shit. Check their prices.</font>

Heh, their prices are just common... and their selection is poor. I can doubtly recommend them. There're 4-5 companies in Moscow (with 5 to 10 years of experience) you should deal with - VESE's not included.

[bog]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Scar:
TO GSE:
You didnt get me. Should have been slightly more attentive.

Only PORN is prohibited.
There's a great difference between porn and adult biz.
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I can't believe, finaly , after four days, at last you have understood , that a porn and adult is 2 different things. You seem even have learnt by heart my words. Also seems you has understood that its probably possible to make legal business in Russia. (but i'll never recommend to do it until you are crazy.)
What, is it difficult to tell that you was mistaken? Or you try to earn reputation offending others?

[gse]

bog, who you referring to?

to rephraze this and make it more accurate you should say "porn as performing sexual acts for profit versa erotica and adult related biz NOT assosiated with the porn or sexual acts (selling sextoys for instance)" are different things. Adult biz on the internet may be assosiated with the porn, like showing pics with intercourse.

And if I'm not mistaken the whole war started when someone said shit about russians abroad that they are traitors and need to be hated

[bog]

Sorry GSE , my post was referred to Scar ,
not to you. ;-)
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peace ;-)

[gse]

hey bog, no problem my friend, I figured that

about the subject of legality of true porn in States, it's also kinda confusing and laws very by states. Here in OH I watched tv and they said one lady got busted for setting up live internet cam in her house. Go figure

[bog]

Also some info:
Check is the only form of payments which company can sent to russian man even if he didn't have any agreements between him and foreign company.
Yes , there can be a problems with TAX , but not all banks send info about people income and it depends on bank. Also its illegal for banks to give such info to tax authorities without actual reason.
And the last about checks, from september 2000 (as far as i remember) Saving Bank of the russian federation didn't cash checks anymore. So its only possible to cash checks in commercial banks at this time.

[bog]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by gse:
about the subject of legality of true porn in States, it's also kinda confusing and laws very by states. </font>

I know , that's one of the reason why i not suggest to anyone to buy offshore in USA , but the main one is the TAX. Even Alcopone get in trouble becouse of this :-)
Trully ,i dont suggest offshore at all , unless you really need it. There too many problems which you can have with offshore if you are not pro in this.
Better to have just an saving account in offshore country.

[Scar]

People PLEASE save me from this....

BOG are You picking on me or may be You simply dont understand what I say therefore please READ FIRST, bullshit next.
OK?

----------in concern with closed thread---
I really CANT and should not repeat same stuff again.
Porn sites which contain porn content are illegal.
Therefore all paysites and freesites with actual porn pics are illegal.

BECAUSE PORN CONTENT IS ILLEGAL, WHEN WILL YOU YOURSELF SEE THE DIFFERENCE YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKING IDIOT!!!! YOU FUCKING SPEAK SHIT WITHOUT EVEN FUCKING TAKING A SECOND TO READ! FUCK YOU 'CAUSE I AM REALLY PISSED NOW!!!! WHAT THE FUCK SHOULD I SPEND MY MINUTES TYPING FOR ???

LISTEN HERE YOU DUMB LAST IDIOT HERE WHO CANT SEE DIFFERENCE. EROTIC CONTENT AND ADULT BUISNESS IS LEGAL (BOTH NEED LICENSE, not sure about erotics but think so). THEREFORE SEXSHOPS,STRIPCLUBS ARE LEGAL.THEREFORE FUCKING EMMANUELLE VIDEO , PLAYBOY MAGAZINE TOGETHER WITH ALL OTHER EROTIC VIDEOS ARE LEGAL.

ANYTHING WHICH HAS PORNOGRAPHY IN IT IS ILLEGAL. ANY PORNVIDEO, ANY PORN PIC , ANY PORN STORIE, ANYTHING WHICH IS CALLED PORNOGRAPHY IS ILLEGAL. CYBEREROTICA AND KARASXXX SHOULD THEY BE IN RUSSIA WOULD BE ILLEGAL!

ALSO THERE ARE LEGAL USES FOR PORNOGRAPHY WHICH ARE FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES AND ALIKE ONLY WHICH DOES NOT BY ANY FUCKING MEANS INCLUDE PORNSITES ON INTERNET WHICH ARE ILLEGAL FOR A RUSSIAN.
FUCKING PERIOD.

ALSO LINK SITES , SE SITES, ANY SITES WITH NO ACTUAL CONTENT ARE LEGAL (unless judge for some reason will think otherwise, which is quite common not only for this also...)

I personally ask YOU NOT TO BULLSHIT anymore. Instead read very very carefully and if still You dont understand than go to the topic which was closed and read it carefully or ask someone to translate (but dont come and dont bring Your assholes here next time then if You simply dont understand english) if still got problems then most probably they are Your DNA problems and You should visit Your shrink as soon as possible.

Also I kindly ask everyone to excuse me for that up there. Just read my previous posts (like two pages in that thread wich was closed). I cant see WHAT could still be NOT understood.
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To BOG about offshores - You are right about the fact that account is much easier to get and to mantain.
There is just one major minus. Account is as good as gold as You use it for money keeping only.
As soon as You will lift Your ass to WORK a bit You will need company.
I.E. You will have to pay for advertising,content plugins and for many other things MONTHLY. For such activity a company is much more reccomended.

A company is also reccomended because it gives a certain protection against disclosing Your real identity if You wish (the DIRECTORS part)...

TO Consultant:
I cant reccomend one company or another. As I said I am no real experience in this matters and what I advice is an advice built on my simple common sense (like a normal person would not sign a check BOG wich he sends every month for an ad , he'd sign it BOG ltd.) because I just use another financial company whole services. I cant make it an ULTIMATE advice for webmasters because You cant usually find such companies (good ones) in advertisings and You work with people because they personally know You wich is definetely I beleive is different from what all webmasters usually have as a start.

TO IMMIGRANTS:
Simple part - FUCK OFF.
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TO ALL: I swear I wont say a rude word again. I dont think I should because replying to all this offenses simply looses my time.

[gse]

what's the matter scar? did they refuse you visa so you pissed off at your buddies abroad.
get a life punk

[Scar]

yes people (when I type this ,there are none yet replies to my previous post) by the way.

My experience with immigrants is straight and simple. I really dont hate You or whatever.
What I dont like is when You jump out with bullshiting on laws for instance when You're not even in Russia to feel it if You're wrong (and in most times You are wrong).

TO GSE ABOUT GOOD IS WHERE WE'RE NOT:
I dont think so really. I used to live quite a lot abroad (not connected with any type of immigration). I think good is where You can make it good.
It doesnt really matter Moscow or NY city it will be.

All this stuff on immigrants sounds pretty much like HATE stuff so I dont really wont continue it , otherwise another nice thread will die in insults.
I beleive I made my point of view clear and I honestly do know what You think about me myself...so save it, I wont insult You or Bog again. I dont care.
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And I want this may be precious for many beginners thread to live on because there are many other things out there in laws and money legalizing not yet touched.
Lets not corrumble it again.
I said.

[Scar]

Nope.
They didnt because I never applied for it and yet I dont want to. Dont have time.
Though I am dying to see LA.


Two of my very good friends are in USA right now of which one is a fucking LAUNDRY man (having a PURFECT education and a bitch wife he doesnt have all the needed papers so he cant apply for better job) and another quite on the contrary is a VERY succesfull programmer with huge salary.
You see , both of them have quite a different way in America. One is in shit. Other is cool!

Both DONT visit adult webmaster forums for Russians and DONT tell Russian newbies Russian laws.
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No insult here either. Just my point of view.lets discuss money.

[gse]

let's discuss money?
man, haven't you heard that money and deals rarely done on the boards, that's what phones, email, icq, irs are for.
Email me and we will discuss the money

[Scar]

Ha...
Do You really think You're of interest? (sorry man)
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That's why I presently reccomend to discuss whatever taxes/legal problems we might know about right here so it will stay at least for sometime and someone will learn.

For example people , lets raise the very old question Brux raised.
What do You tell Your relatives about Your income? Weather it's legal or illegal in Your country is of no importance , families may do look in some point of view like tax authorities but still is are families and porn still will be porn.
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My relatives dont ask me at all but I am not sure how is it in other families.

[gse]

aahahahaha
scar, you really need psychiatric evaluation.
I had fun talking to you, now please get lost
THANK YOU

hehe

[Scar]

Dont think so.
I am sorry that I dont like You or other immigrants who bullshit around and work with porn.

It is just the way it is. Probably it's because NOONE likes them, some do though.Cheap workforce is sometimes expensive http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif . It's simple - You cant make it good here and You cant make it good there. Otherfuckingwise why do You work with porn, did You immigrate,pass all shit with papers, licked all asses and payed money to earn porn bucks? Good idea it was.

My point - You're just a looser.

Actually anyone who thinks that it is good where You're not (what You told me in Russian) is a looser beforehand. Because right way is to make it good where You are.

Right way to immigrate (say You dont like weather for example in Moscow) is to buy property in some nice place , sit by a pool or fireplace (You choose) and not to give a fuck about anything and adult webmasters forums, not to have CHEAP porn sites and NOT to care about 2 dollars.

In all countries people always loved those who came in with money and moved because they wanted another landscape or window view or whatever because such people dont bring trouble. And in all countries noone ever liked people who come with their families bringing their local CHEAP mafias and stupid shit along with a wish to make an extra buck.
Anywhere in the world, despite what morals say and politics say everyone knows just one thing for sure - those are loosers. Those are BOUGHT people.

Have a nice day.
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[gse]

scar
there is NO doubt in my mind your dick is bigger that mine. Oops no, - your dick is bigger than everyone else's here. Just please don't cry sweet baby

You win, ahahahahaha

[Scar]

Sure.
Not a word more.

Sorry for those which came out to You anyway.

[Russian Hunter]

Scar!

NO PONT HERE, OK?

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[Scar]

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[Scar]

By smile I mean I'm not gonna respond and say "FUCK OFF" and what I think about all who came here exactly for PONT and had to hide back fucked by me....
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So I'll just smile.

[gse]

scarface,

shutdown -h now

[Russian Hunter]

Scar ty dibil. Malo etogo, ty esche i pizdychij dibil.

[Scar]

I dont get it...

Where do You small asses all jump from for my amusement???
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Is there some kind of small box with a small plate on it saying like "DUMBBOX - 100% DUMB WEBMASTERS INSIDE! WE WILL ANNOY YOU BETTER THAN OTHERS!"
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Really people, You wont be that angry if You were right. You're simply wrong and that's why You all got mad... I dont give a fuck!

Foreigners. Dont worry. Thanks to dont know what these stupid asses arent frequent in Russian society.

[gse]

anger won't get you anywhere, you prick

[Scar]

Look in the mirror, say it again.
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And yes,about the mirror, dont puke...

[Russian Hunter]

Scar, pontov pomenshe.... A to takoe oschuszhenie chto tebja kak esche v shkole v zhopu vyebali tak ty do sih por otojti ne mozhesh... Na bordah postizhsja... Kazhduj post na 3 brauzernuh prokrutki.... Eto bolezn. Ty vot objasni chto za manera u tebja kazhdoe svojo slovo smakovat?? Aaa, ty prosto v supervostorge ot svoej superintelektualnosti navernoe.... A skolko let to tebe?? 15? 16?? Nu gde to tak, ne bolshe. Na bolshee poka ne tanesh.. KID.

[Scar]

Idiot.
This is an english forum. Write in english. If you cant - fuck off and hunt somewhere else.

What in reality is happening with You right now is that You're angry that someone fucks someone. What You care for? Do You have any connection with anything these all topics started or have any idea why? No.
Then go and fuck Yourself piece of shit. Pieces of shit like You should know that You dont fuck with people just to do it, got to have a reason. You dont.
Then fuck off.

In russian same:
Èäè íà õóé óáëþäîê. Çäåñü íå òâîé ñïîð áûë. Òåáå êàêîå äåëî? Íèêàêîãî ÿ äóìàþ. Åñëè íåò, òî çàñóíü ÿçûê â æîïó âìåñòå ñ ïîíòàìè è óåáûâàé.

[gse]

scar...

inhale.. exhale..next idiot

[Scar]

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that's a good one!
really...

anyway, world is too full of them.
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 Ðîññèè êàê ãîâîðèòñÿ äâå áåäû. Äîðîãè è ...

[gse]

I was talking about you scar, still laughing?

ahahahaha. Boy, go get some vodka or something

[Scar]

No my friend.
You read what You said!

Said it perfectly.
One idiot comes and goes. Then another.

You stayed.
(why? Like to be insulted?)

Anyway. Dont speak of vodka. You got mirror.
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[Russian Hunter]

scar, you've just been instulted 20,000 times here and you didn't even notice. Even vodka can't help you now.

[mukoh]

Hahaha.
Russian Hunter you are funny.

[Co(in)sultant]

I guess discussion is over.

[bog]

To Scar.

1. I never speak about porn. Thats you fault that you too dumb to read board.

2. You finnaly pissed me off. I search for info about you. So you said you are 8 years in biz & discus on other russian forums sometimes ?
So here is your 1st and only Scar fucken post on russian bord
http://www.crutop.nu/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000003.html
dated 11 may 2000, what we can see in it ?
Scar spaming his fucked top site http://www.starfuck.st wich promote only [b]rape & beastiality [\b]. Both of this things illegal by USA & international law. So there is no way for Scar to legalase his biz even with the help of offshore or whatsever...
Scar ,change your nick to scam and fuckoff.

[Scar]

For one thing that Scar has nothing to do with me.
Sorry.

On that board I used a nick name Scarborous Elf. Which I used only once because the admin there deleted my post pretty quickly.

For another thing, You know better than me who You are, so what the fuck?