Is there a problem people?

[richard]

Ok, i have been kindly informed of the apparent opinions of some readers of this board - not by these readers i might add.

If you've got a problem with how the board is moderated, then nows the time to say something.

We do our best to make sure that the board does not get cluttered with spam, pissing matches, bullshit, and even (before i was told people are getting all pissed off) started closing the bullshit that was on the SPAM board itself.

If we don't know there is a problem, then there is no way we can fix it.

I'm a little concerned that people are talking about how bad (in their opinions) this board has become, without suggesting to myself, Phil, or Tim how they would like to see it improved.

Post away people, we are all ears.

Richard.

[Coke]

In my opinion the board has got better the last few months, so I'm happy with the board's administration http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[SID MAN]

Hi moderators....

Im mostly a reader and think the board is still pretty nice and informative.

The pissing matches are pretty funny, but are getting a bit too long and boring...

It's not really to any use, as I see it...
Most of the time it is just the same 5-8 people repeating themselves and and pissing on everybody else...english is not my native languages and I really learned a few good swearing words since I started to come here ;-)

I still think people are very helpfull, which I really apreciate....

Good, but I think you should ban or warn a few of the people on this board....

But it is still the best board around, I think...

[Duke]

hey
what I dont like in the early past is the spam on the main board.
Sometimes it gets deleted but sometimes it gets away.
The problem is mainly dialer spam I think (as usual eh ?). some guys get deleted, and some not (at least it seems so).
And even this

NAME
VERYBESTMONEYMAKERPROGRAMANDNOONECANCOMPETEWITHIT. COM

signature shit annoys me
we dont have signatures so we should let it at it.
A name under the post is ok but not your 500 programs.
If someone says "post pls signup (or whatever) companies here then then u can post it in my opinion 1 time. But don´d do it again ater 5 posts.
My face always gets red everytime I read spam which is not asked for, even if it is no direct spam ( I mean the signatures ). ( u can ask my host admin how I feel if I get red http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif )
hmm I think thats it atm
thx for the time

[Juggler]

Personally I think you all do a good job, recently this board had become nothing more than a forum for spammers and that was a REAL shame AWI is read by a lot of webmaster with a lot of experience and sadly the stupid dickhead spammers made it pointless sharing ideas. Since moderaters have been doing a clean up the board has started getting back to how it was. I would like to see mpre spammer control but saying that I think you are doing a good job.

As far as taking some control on the spam board you have a juggler thumbs up. The idiot spammers do not seem to realise all they do is stop webmaster reading the board and make it a worthless resource. Personally I rarely look at it now and the idiots are just ruining it for the serious webmasters who have something to offer. Lets face it if they have to spam that much what they are offering must be crap otherwise it would get around by word of mouth.

[Tam]

Hi rich..... while I have not been a member here for a long time, and only started hanging here a few months ago, I do have an opinion here if I can have a minute.

For the most part, everyone here seems pretty cool. I have met some wonderful people and gotten some really good and valuable help here.

Having said all of this... most of the problems I see are between Dialer Sponsors, and I know I will take a beating for this one, but I also know that everyone is getting sick of the constant battles with Dialers. No one can even ask an opinion here about a dialer because it turns into a pissing match and the original questions never get answers that they need. Those threads either turn into total all out spam, or "I run a dialer, come and talk to me" when the question was asked about a CERTAIN dialer....... they turn into an all out war, leaving the webmaster that is inquiring both feeling like hell because they feel responsible for having started a pissing match or they leave not knowing what the hell to do because they were never answered.

There are ALOT of very good and easy to talk to dialer sponsors out there, and there isn't one that is a "bad person" but something about a dialer seems to bring these battles out in people. I am not calling any names, we have ALL been guilty of it a time or two, some worse than others. BUT what I would love to see changed is this: Answer the questions being asked of you without putting other people and their programs down to make yourself look like the better person, I think this says alot on it's own.

Those of us who run or work for these sponsor programs , mainly dialers, could be a bit more professional and a lot less defensive. In my opinion.

I used dialers here for obvious reasons of which I don't think I need to go into here in this thread....... they are what is getting the most attention from what I can tell.

Having a debate, or intelligent conversation is one thing... having an all out pissing match over an innocent question is not.

Ok, I babbled again. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif But I do think you guys are doing a great job...... these are the only problems I see where I sit.

Tam

[diesel]

Last steps about closing bullshit topics will make it better.Anyway board cool and helpfull.

I have same feeling like Duke about filtering spam on main board.(at least it seems so).
About url after name.Personally i think its ok and helpfull too.Dont forget that masters cant be without sponsors...like sponsors cant be without masters.If someone work good
why won't show his projects.

[Coke]

Hm I think you shouldn't take all these dialer posts all too seriously. I don't notice them any more and just have a good laugh if I see another one of these threads ending in a pissing match. In my opinion that's a nice and amusing part of this board http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
But honestly, all serious questions by newbies or so are answered in a matter of a few minutes which I think is quite good.

Each board has some problems with spam and idiots but take it with humour. There is nothing more amusing than a bunch of idiots trying to get new 'customers' for their programmes by spamming the hell out of this board.

My humble opinion http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[richard]

good stuff so far, how would people react to banning all but the most topical dialer threads? (such as the GIB problems one, etc).

As far as getting some of the spam, and not getting other stuff, i assure you that we are not "selectively" filtering it. Tim gave a guy (was it Diesel?) a slap on the wrists be editting all of his posts to say "spam", the problem we have is again of standards, we tried to raise the issue of "board rules" before: http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001434.html

If we can all agree on what is allowed, and what is not, Tim can perhaps put a page up stating the board's "rules", and it will make the moderator's job alot easier.

[Duke]

yes diesel http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
it is ok to show the efforts but Ithink as we have an whois option on this board it is enough and a post on the spam board too
imagine u have someone here with a lot of programs http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
long post everytime he even sets a " http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif"
we have no signatures and I think we should stay with it.
when I visit other boards that allow signatures then sometimes it seems as some guys only post to get the signature in.

the board itslef is still my favourite one, there is no doubt on it.
but sometimes I dont like several things

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Tam]

I have no problems with signatures in our posts, and I have no problem when someone asks, giving them your code, why shouldn't anyone get credit for a referral if asked for an opinion on a good sponsor for a certain type of site.

But here is what MY concern is...... when someone asks an honest question, for example:

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002665.html

You are going to get all kinds of garbage posts here on this one..... this person says "I run a dialer, contact me at www.whatever.com (http://www.whatever.com) , contact me in email at whatever@whatever.com , or icq me here at 12345678. When all the guy asks here is if anyone knows if these guys are honest or not...... and at the end of a 3 page pissing match, the original question has never been answered. There should be boundaries that EVERYONE has to adhere to on these. He/she is apparently interested in the mentioned sponsor and has settled on that one and should be allowed to find out what he can about them from FELLOW webmasters.... not getting hit in the face with a bunch of spam.

And let me say just for the record, I am not trying to be nasty or point fingers here..... just trying to address the only weak spots I personally see on this board. I was scared as hell of it for a long time because of rumors, but it's actually not a bad place to hang around on. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Tam

[diesel]

Yes it was me...About the slap..Some guy used my nick to provide his program.I am working hard to get my name clean and reliable so its pissed me off and i posted my real program url as reply.
And my nick still there with not really my program.

[richard]

ok, so we have no signatures.

If you ban referal codes, then you will dramatically reduce spam.

I personally think that if someone asks, "who is a good sponsor", those who post with a referal code have another agenda other than to help the guy who posted the question.

I would suggest having no referal codes, save that stuff for icq or email.

With no codes, the only reason that someone would post xyz.xom is because they really do recommend it (other than the owner/ people affiliated with the owner).

[Juggler]

I 100% agree with banning referal codes, Tam you are right there is nothing wrong with getting credit for refering someone but the problem with having referal codes is the people who use them usally know nothing about the programme they only post it in the hope to earn $$$ from it. Starting with a new sponsor is a serious action if you sign up with the wrong one it can cost you a lot of $$$ and a big headache, most of us have had it happen to them or seen it happen to webmasters we respect. If you are going to refer a sponsor you should know they are reliable they pay and the sites convert well for the traffic the webmaster is going to be sending. When webmaster use a referal code they do not usally give a shit they are just thinking of thier sign-up $$$. If a webmaster wants to make $$$$ from refering other webmasters then they should get off thier lazy arses and build a webmasters resources site and promote it, not jump onto the hard work of Tim and the other webmasters who have made AWI a great resource and try to milk a few $$$.

So you can have my vote on banning referal codes.

[Hogleg]

I have only been here a few days and I don't like it all that well. I came here looking for help and or traffic trades and what not but I guess its a differnt atmospher than the pc bbs. As for all the spam crap thats about all I find at this board either people bitchin and more people bitchin.

[richard]

of course, different boards are going to have different "regulars", and different atmospheres.

Hogleg, as someone who does not like it here, what would you like to change / how would you suggest changing it?

[Tam]

Juggler.. after reading your post and giving it some thought, I totally agree with you. I know that I, as some others around here will not promote sponsors unless I know for a fact they are good and they have treated me well.. and I do rely ALOT on word of mouth with most anyone I choose to deal with... but like you say, there are some that will do it just to be doing it, for their own gain...... so you have changed my mind on this one...... http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Accept my vote for no referral codes. Or maybe at least use them on the spam board...... whichever is fine with me..... I have been caught doing this one myself. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Hotleg.... this is a completely different world than the PCBBS..... I love it there and they do not allow any spam whatsoever on their main board.... they give us signatures for that purpose and that part I like.... http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif If it has to be there, put it in it's place. But do give this place a shot, there ARE some really great folks here.... just not as in your face as some are. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Tam

[stepin]

Hello all i agree with most of what has been said as i read these boards every day .but do not bother posting because of the pissing matches as stated above i come here to see whats new or get tips on thing's .and every time one person asks about a dialer program i dont care what kind or whos it is you better believe there are dialer sponsors that going to jump right in and post icq me ill hook you right up when it had nothing at all to do with them i think when they do this they should be banned or suspended or somthing ,there are enough webmasters out there where you dont have to worry about stealing them from the boards hell none of mine that i know of,i maybe wrong have come from these boards.there is a few that really are desperate. for webmasters i guess but i wont metion there names .but if you read the board it will tale the tale thanks for your time

[Killah]

Rich and Mag are doing a good job here.
My suggestion is to simply add a "Dialer-Board" because 30-40% of the spam is dialer-related. It's not possible to keep people away from saying that their new reseller program is the best ever, so simply move the stuff to a new board, then it's gone.

[wolfshade]

99$ of this board is great IMHO

The one% spam you have to live with it's the same everywhere.

Even if you made a dialer forum they still will post where it is read the most.

And personally I don't mind that at all, what I don't like is sponsors pissing al over eachother while trying to make their program look best.

Lack of professionalism only degrades their programs and therefor if I see a thred like that I will most definately not join their program(s)

My 2 cents http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Wolfshade

[richard]

thanks for the comments.

Wolfshade, i feel the same way, anyone with half a brain should look badly at spammers - i mean, if i had to use a dialer program, i would go for Webmaster Commerce, or Sex Traveler, strange coincidence that they are programs that spam very infrequently on this board ? probably not.

But, i can understand how frustrating to these companies it must be, watching one guy spam and _get_ some business from it, when they refrain and don't get that business.

Ok, we have no signatures, and no referal codes on the main board. I feel a dialer forum might work, maybe, Tim, perhaps a dialer board next to the spam board?

what does everyone think about that?

[playa]

personally i like signature file,,,,,
its been proven to work with other boards,,

but keep it clean

"one quote"
"icq"
"one url"

thats it,,,,,,

i think it prevents the potential of posting spam topics...and avoids that lets look for a newbie to attack and give him my url..

this makes the best for both worlds

just my two cents http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif


--------
PLAYA
"we all players in this game called life"
38147712
http://www.clickheretomakebigfatcash.com

[Scar]

If You need a point of view of a person completely new to this board I'd suggest

1/to make two different CHAT boards. One for beginners and one for pro's (self defined of course). Very frustrating and time taking it is to browse through beginners chats.

2/Another board for Dialers is definetely a good idea.

3/Email check during registration will help a lot. Some people come by to say a single word of nonsense and to vanish after it. It's a mess when there are lots of people who all came for one post. Helps with spammers a lot also this email check.

4/People who come in to obviously spam should be banned also immediately. In no time they will learn that it is not wise to spam where they should not. Also, as much You delete spam so much it is not seen on the board. If I am a newcomer who wants to spam a forum first thing I do is to look if others do spam and what goes out of it. If the forum is popular (and this one is obviously) and contains NO spam then I see that there's no use spamming.

5/SPAM which is really annoying (like all the same crap ever and ever again) should also be deleted in no time. This will raise commercial use of the board GREATLY. Because right now as someone mentioned already SPAM part of the board makes no sense and people from whom spammers may really benefit simply dont read it.


Just my couple of ideas. Dont shoot.
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[playa]

scar,

1: there are newbie boards out there....we can't make every one happy..they need to go there

2: dialer forum will do no good....it'll just be a pissing match forum....seeing alittle bit of it on the spam board..it'll just get worse

3: good idea.....for instance the guy the spams and signups a new nick pretending to be someone else....we are not stupid..some of yall got 3 or 5 different nicks


4: great idea i like it...

5: great,,,thanks to the moderators for dealing with this

nice post scar


-----
playa
icq#38147712
"we don't love them hoes"
http://www.getpaidtojackoffontheinternet.com

[basschick]

personally, if you start making rules to please everybody, i think you're gonna have a LOT of rules http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

i use referrer codes, but guess what! every single program i refer to HAS paid me on time repeatedly (i always refer to nexcash - we've received 6 checks, one a month, and great customer service). i would not refer a webmaster just to get him fucked over!

the spam thing is getting a little thick, but overall this board has been more informative.

btw, i went to porncity, asked if anyone knew when/if sexkey was going to update, and ended up with a thread about how i didn't know how to use avs's properly. it happens everywhere .

[Muff]

I think the dialer thing is invoked every single time by someone who is too lazy to use the search button maybe we could have that search button text size increased to 72 font. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif .

For anyone who is new here there is enough info on these boards to write a book. If you just spend a little time to do a search im sure you could save time and alot of confrontations


as far as people promoting there programs on the spam board.

There should be a strict rule that you may only post to promote a certain product once and after only than that it has fallen off the first page may you post again.

also maybe you guys could ad a sponsor trouble or problem board. there is alot of questions regarding money owed and if sponsors pay and what is the best way to promote paticular sponsors.

I like the signature thing, I just havent thought of a good qoute yet.

Muff

[shane94]

I really like the board (: This is the only ne I go to (:

Keep up the good work!

Shane

[Scar]

I probably came here the wrong day. Yes I know this board is run by good professionals.
Yes I know good folk visit it.

It all gets lost a bit in newbies chat. Although I can add that may be I am wrong and didn't spend enough time reading.

Email verification is a 100% thing. Together with good moderating it kills spamming and unneeded stuff very good. You ban IP. You ban Email. Takes 5 seconds. A person has to register new free email and get a new proxy. Takes 10 minutes at least. He'll be fucked up first for sure.
(if possible dont make me first example please http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif )

As soon as You done it , make decent good custom rules. This way before hand You will inform a new webmaster why he will say bye-bye to this board.

Then a week of moderating and viola. No problems at all...

That's of course my personal opinion and how I see it of course.

P.S. I dont think email verification will scare away any newbies or anyone. This board is known perfectly enough for that.

[basschick]

i forgot to mention it, richard, but you are doing a great job.

we're not paying you, yet you are supplying us with a valuable tool and recreation spot - this forum.

thank you and mag, both!

[playa]

hey muff,


i got a shit load of quotes you can borrow some of mine

playa
icq#38147712
"It costs to be the Boss"
http://www.getrichsellingpocketpussies.com

[magnatique]

sup guys, thought I'd drop in and give my views http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

I think we should get paid 50$/hour to regulate... 10$ bonus for spam deletions, 20$ for thread closing, and 50$ per ban...

that will solve the problem LOL http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif


hehe j/k..

I don't think anything has to be changed... but for us to watch a bit more closely... and you people to let the guys know they're dicks by spamming...

I mean, we don't need strict rules like no "refferal codes" no this, no that..

I mean, C'mon... newbies come here to learn, experienced guys come here to ask questions about a field they're not good in... and if one can get a little bonus by helping another... why not?

The only thing that is bad is when I see people spam over another company's thread, or something like that....

Lots of dialer people have been doing this, and we just need to modify the posts rich, that's it... close the irrevelant topics, etc...

The board is fine I think, just a bit dirtier latly, as I've been busy as hell, and rich too? Tim is always busy hehehe.. hard to get quality scripts out :P

my 2¢

[freap]

i like the board,it's the only one i check every day,it gets stale sometimes,but this job can burn you out sometimes,sometimes people need to blow so steam and bitch to people that understand,just my 2 cents

[richard]

if you have a board for newbies, and a board for pros, then how are the newbies going to ever learn anything? http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Thanks basschick http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

I still think no referal codes would be a good idea.... perhaps a trial period or something?

and yea Mag, i've been busy as hell, http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif got some funky stuff to show you next week http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif.

Richard.

[Shovel]

Pissing matches are great, I love 'em. Beats watching TV anyway. BoysWithCams meandering post classing us Brits as 'mongoloids' was one of the more amusing posts that I've read in a while http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002117.html - I've just read it again and it still cracks me up. There are some top people here and it's a very useful resource. Good work moderators!

[Scar]

Well, a good moderating on the other hand will not need anything else of course.
Problem there may come is that , wont it take TOO much time?

[Rimmer]

Everything in moderation http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Email address verification will come again once the final stages of my server move are completed. I'm just waiting till email is switched over to my new servers from the old.

I personally believe referrer codes should be left out of posts ... not necessarily a hard and fast rule but if you're going to recommend something do it because you mean it.

A Dialer Forum is probably not a good idea right now because of how dialer threads often run. I feel its better for dialer discussions to follow the general forum rules which are the most heavily moderated and limit dialer threads to more general interest topics.

The odd pissing match is good fun. But there comes a point where they get boring. The fine line is juding when that point comes http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Also I'd like to say the moderators Richard and Magnatique do a great job. Having all on different timezones makes monitoring the board more even rather than me waking up to a sea of spam http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[Mikey]

This board is the best out there. One of the reasons is because of how spam clean Tim, Richard and Mag. work on keeping it. With all the posts Richard posts himself, I wonder how he has to do anything else, let alone moderate http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Keep referer codes out. Tim runs a great program, angelteen.com but yet you don't see his webmaster prgoram plastered all over this board do you? What about UCJ-IV? There are no ads for those things here.

Tim, Richard and Mag. keep up the good work.

[EricTheRed]

Well said Mikey.
I personally find some very useful information here. I try to stick the the simple rule "everything taken with a grain of salt". Simply stating that most of us can decide for ourselves when a person is a flamer or actually providing quality input to a conversation. I usually stay on the sidelines watching the battles biting my lip and resisiting the keyboard. On several occasions I've seen someone post a seemingly innocent question and then the wolves jump in. Rather than add to those types of posts, ignore the wolves and post a reply to the person asking the question (acting as though you never saw the other post). You'd be very surprised how quickly those that flame fade away when their posts are simply ignored. Sometimes the best reply is no reply http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif.

My $.02
Eric

playa, I like the signature stuff some are very amusing. when I ran a BBS several years ago I had a "Quote for the Day" which was a file of quotes by Jack Handy wish I could find that file again because I'd use it some were hysterical.

[42adult]

I can hammer thru the text so fast, I dont see any reason to delete user text...
Advertisement... why not, say waht you want, you dont have to click on it and if the text gets boring goto the next message.. really simple....

http://www.42adult.com/Story/FC/42-1/main.jpg
http://www.42adult.com

if you dont like my text dont click on the link... Now I have to agree the image above is not needed and only slows the loading of the page...

thats my .03 cents cuz I used a picture!