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unconnected

03-26-2002, 05:07 PM

Here is the mentality that just makes me want to scream.. How can anyone EVER vote to arm the public population with any kind of weapon they want? Wanna know how, it is when dumbass inbred fucks think like this <img src="http://www.gunowners.org/bump04.gif" alt="" />

PeepNTom

03-26-2002, 05:13 PM

guns dont kill people - people kill people <img border="0" alt="[Nod]" title="" src="graemlins/nod.gif" />

arthurdent

03-26-2002, 05:48 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by PeepNTom: guns dont kill people - people kill people <img border="0" alt="[Nod]" title="" src="graemlins/nod.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote><img border="0" alt="[Nod]" title="" src="graemlins/nod.gif" /> peace

Machine

03-26-2002, 05:56 PM

Guns dont kill people. People with guns and too much too drink kill people! Sometimes Vampires kill people too. But they usually become Undead, so I dont know if that counts or not.

Terrance11

03-26-2002, 06:09 PM

I agree with unconnected on this one. Guns kill people Bullets kill people People kill people Guns only save lives by protecting people from other guns...

toker

03-26-2002, 08:12 PM

Bullshit i could kill a man with a rock just as easy as a gun or i could just run his ass over with my car. So now should we ban rocks and cars? Then give the police baseball bats to defend the citizens and themselves against guys with illegally imported weapons? I guess we should also outlaw razor blades, knives, bats, axes, picth forks, chain saws, sling shots, coconuts, ropes, wire, sticks, acid, and anything that could be used to kill a person. Yep you could kill a man with your bare hands so maybe we should all get our hands chopped off also. <img border="0" alt="[ROTFLMAO]" title="" src="graemlins/rotflmao.gif" />

ADIDAS

03-26-2002, 08:21 PM

Eddie Izard said it best, guns dont kill people, its the bullets ripping through your flesh that does!

AgentCash

03-26-2002, 08:27 PM

Like any of us have anything to worry about... we sit in front of computers all day. Sure some of us might get hit by a stray bullet from the local gang wars, but most of us will die from ass cancer from sitting here 18 hours a day. Unless that lethal from of carpal tunnel continues to spread...

AgentCash

03-26-2002, 08:28 PM

err.. that would be "form"

arthurdent

03-26-2002, 08:32 PM

Couple fo the best: - Gun control is not about guns; it's about control. - If guns cause crime, do pencils cause misspelled words? - If Guns cause Crime, then Matches cause Arson. - 64,999,987 registered firearm owners killed no one yesterday. - What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand? - Assault is a behavior, not a device. - An armed person is a citizen. An unarmed person is a subject. - Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them. - If guns are outlawed, can we use swords? <img border="0" alt="[ROTFLMAO]" title="" src="graemlins/rotflmao.gif" /> peace

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03-26-2002, 08:49 PM

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SexySites

03-26-2002, 08:49 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ADIDAS - The Video Guru: Eddie Izard said it best, guns dont kill people, its the bullets ripping through your flesh that does!<hr /></blockquote>LOL laters, Chris

Kai_89

03-26-2002, 09:38 PM

Rate Member posted 26 March 2002 09:12 PM [Profile for toker] [Author's Homepage] [Send New Private Message] [Edit/Delete Post] [Reply With Quote] Bullshit i could kill a man with a rock just as easy as a gun or i could just run his ass over with my car. So now should we ban rocks and cars? Then give the police baseball bats to defend the citizens and themselves against guys with illegally imported weapons? I guess we should also outlaw razor blades, knives, bats, axes, picth forks, chain saws, sling shots, coconuts, ropes, wire, sticks, acid, and anything that could be used to kill a person. Yep you could kill a man with your bare hands so maybe we should all get our hands chopped off also. [[ROTFLMAO]] <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> damn right

DamageX

03-26-2002, 10:02 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by AgentCash: Like any of us have anything to worry about... we sit in front of computers all day. Sure some of us might get hit by a stray bullet from the local gang wars, but most of us will die from ass cancer from sitting here 18 hours a day. Unless that lethal from of carpal tunnel continues to spread...<hr /></blockquote><img border="0" alt="[ROTFLMAO]" title="" src="graemlins/rotflmao.gif" />

cyber_ninja

03-26-2002, 10:13 PM

i think i have ass cancer,someone shoot me with your illegaly importen asalt rifle!! <img border="0" alt="[Help]" title="" src="graemlins/help.gif" />

cyber_ninja

03-26-2002, 10:14 PM

Keyboard cause misspelled words,not pencles <img border="0" alt="[Nod]" title="" src="graemlins/nod.gif" />

ADIDAS

03-26-2002, 10:24 PM

I know this pisses Republicans off, but here goes, They claim the second amendment of the US constitution gives the right to bare arms. What the neglet to say is the proper interitation is "The right to bare arms in order to maintain a well regulated militia" ere go, the army, navy, air force, marines, coast guard, and police. Their you have it, the pretty short answer to the right to bare arms, or I could be all messed up in the head and read it wron, could be the "right to arm bears"! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> Its one of those two!

SexySites

03-26-2002, 10:28 PM

why not live in a country where there are much less gun problems ...uk for instance <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> laters, Chris

ADIDAS

03-26-2002, 10:28 PM

I'm from the UK, I think they have the right idea!

porntowers.com

03-26-2002, 10:31 PM

arthurdent

03-26-2002, 10:54 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ADIDAS - The Video Guru: I know this pisses Republicans off, but here goes, They claim the second amendment of the US constitution gives the right to bare arms. What the neglet to say is the proper interitation is "The right to bare arms in order to maintain a well regulated militia" ere go, the army, navy, air force, marines, coast guard, and police. Their you have it, the pretty short answer to the right to bare arms, or I could be all messed up in the head and read it wron, could be the "right to arm bears"! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> Its one of those two!<hr /></blockquote>militia isn't army, police... militia mean armed people, not regular uniformed unit. I'm not Republicans, I even don't live in USA, and I don't like guns. But, "Gun control is not about guns; it's about control." peace

ADIDAS

03-26-2002, 11:00 PM

militia = people of the country defending it = army. They are swore in to protect America and serve the orders of the president. When that second amendment was written the US did not have an army, they had common citizens protecting their homes. We have the same today, but they wear badges and uniforms. Its the NRAs budget that keeps guns in civilians hands.

The Dawg

03-26-2002, 11:05 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by SexySites: why not live in a country where there are much less gun problems ...uk for instance <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> laters, Chris<hr /></blockquote>I saw a story the other day saying that stabbings were at an all time high in the UK. If its going to be done, its going to be done whether its a knife or a gun. I believe we should be able to bear arms. The Dawg

jayeff

03-27-2002, 12:31 AM

More pre-school children than police are killed with handguns in the US each year. In the US, death by shooting is the second-highest cause of death among 14-24 year olds. The US routinely has a higher death rate by shooting (per 100,000 people) than Northern Ireland suffered during the decades that the terrorist incidents there were at their peak. Still, if they want to keep shooting each other, it's a free country... isn't it?

MrHappy

03-27-2002, 12:31 AM

The Second Amendment has been put in place not just because our founding fathers wanted to create arm forces able to defend new country, but also to give citizens means to defend themselves against oppressive government. Founding fathers understood that a government with to much power isn't good... So, now the government has it's army, citizens have their guns and thanks to this "balance of power" we still have some money left in our packets after April 14th. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

toker

03-27-2002, 12:44 AM

So i worked in the private protection sector but i was not a cop so what should i have defended a client with chinese stars? People cant hire cops to protect every man that needs protection there just aint enuff to go around. Thats why you have private protection firms and security companies which more unarmed security guards get shot or injured then armed security. So what happens when you take the guns from the people? Well you no longer have people who feel safe especially in this day and age with the possibility of more terrorist attacks... Fact is since Sept 11th gun and weapon sales have skyrocketed. The good side is more people are now taking saftey courses and learning to use a firearm properly. Think about it there have been inmates at prisons killed beaten to death with a towel and a bar of soap. Some have been killed with a mere toothbrush that has been shaved down by rubbing on the floor to form a shank. People have murdered others by drowning them in the bath tub and even pipe bombs made in a guys kitchen. I have heard of people who have aids stabbing another person with a dirty needle to infect them. So dont think banning arms will have any large scale effectiveness it will just allow the government to do away with freedom. There are many other things you should be very afraid of and guns are not one of them unless you get one pulled on you. When you drive to the grocery store you have a better chance of being killed in a car accident then getting shot. You can take my guns but you wont stop me from defending myself in some form or another. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

Thor

03-27-2002, 02:24 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by toker: So i worked in the private protection sector but i was not a cop so what should i have defended a client with chinese stars? People cant hire cops to protect every man that needs protection there just aint enuff to go around. Thats why you have private protection firms and security companies which more unarmed security guards get shot or injured then armed security. So what happens when you take the guns from the people? Well you no longer have people who feel safe especially in this day and age with the possibility of more terrorist attacks... Fact is since Sept 11th gun and weapon sales have skyrocketed. The good side is more people are now taking saftey courses and learning to use a firearm properly. Think about it there have been inmates at prisons killed beaten to death with a towel and a bar of soap. Some have been killed with a mere toothbrush that has been shaved down by rubbing on the floor to form a shank. People have murdered others by drowning them in the bath tub and even pipe bombs made in a guys kitchen. I have heard of people who have aids stabbing another person with a dirty needle to infect them. So dont think banning arms will have any large scale effectiveness it will just allow the government to do away with freedom. There are many other things you should be very afraid of and guns are not one of them unless you get one pulled on you. When you drive to the grocery store you have a better chance of being killed in a car accident then getting shot. You can take my guns but you wont stop me from defending myself in some form or another. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>People who really wants to kill people can always get the job done, the deaths we prevent by banning guns is the one where 12 old tommy gets mad at his schoolteacher and blows his head off, or the ones where 2 people get into a gun fight over the last packet of popcorn at the cinema, things that people could handle with a fist fight.

Terrance11

03-27-2002, 03:10 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by arthurdent: Couple fo the best: - Gun control is not about guns; it's about control. - If guns cause crime, do pencils cause misspelled words? - If Guns cause Crime, then Matches cause Arson. - 64,999,987 registered firearm owners killed no one yesterday. - What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand? - Assault is a behavior, not a device. - An armed person is a citizen. An unarmed person is a subject. - Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them. - If guns are outlawed, can we use swords? <img border="0" alt="[ROTFLMAO]" title="" src="graemlins/rotflmao.gif" /> peace<hr /></blockquote>I never said guns should be outlawed. You're list of pointless info only shows one side of the story. Guns kill people, There's nothing two sided about it...

Terrance11

03-27-2002, 03:13 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Terrance11: You're list of pointless info only shows one side of the story. <hr /></blockquote>And I meant your, not you're. I made the spelling mistake, not the keyboard btw... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />

Terrance11

03-27-2002, 03:15 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Terrance11: <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Terrance11: You're list of pointless info only shows one side of the story. <hr /></blockquote>And I meant your, not you're. I made the spelling mistake, not the keyboard btw... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>I mean the keyboard did <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

ADIDAS

03-27-2002, 03:19 AM

Its one thing to want to ban, which I do not, it is another thing to believe in strict control, which I do. The Brady Bill here in the US was a great idea, but EVERY weapon old should have a 14 day+ waiting period. How often do you NEED a gun today? My dad is a corrections officer, and I hear the stories of how inmates killed with items commonly found. If someone wants to kill, they will. Removing one tool from the equation simply limits the ability to make a rash decision.

toker

03-27-2002, 04:03 AM

Majority of teen murders where i live are from stabbings matter fact today this happened. I believe he was 14yrs old took a knife and stabbed another kid at school. The problem is not just guns and if you come down to florida you would see very few shootings except the police shooting unarmed men. The moment you ban guns in the US you might as well forget about voting rights and this country will turn communist. People are finally waking up because of all the terrorist shit and realizing how bad it really is. They did a survey reciently and 70% of airport security checks failed to find simulated bombs, firearms, and other weapons. This is after the new security regulations and federal government taking over. So who do the people turn to when the protectors cant protect them? I myself turn to my buddys Smith & Wesson they will be there by my side and never turn on me for political bullshit. I dare any motherfucker to try and take my right to carry a firearm because it wont happen while there is life in my body. Even my 80yr old grandmother has a 357 i gave to her and she aint afraid to use it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

unconnected

03-27-2002, 04:06 AM

A little bit of truth is in what you say.. Yes, you take a way the guns, and the person will still TRY to kill the other person with something else(if they are that bent on it) But do you think the person would still try to kill the person if he/she couldn't get access to a firearm? It would kind of be like asking a man if he would want to hunt down and kill an elk with a big knife.. Sure he 'might' be able to do it, but chances are if someone is faced with a situation where he is likely to get hurt in attempted to hurt/kill something else he might just not have the motivation to do the job.. Guns give a person INCREDIBLE power and make it VERY VERY VERY VERY V-E-R-Y to kill someone or something.. "Bullshit i could kill a man with a rock just as easy as a gun or i could just run his ass over with my car." This proves my point.. If I cut you off on your way to work, and you were one of those people that was VERY easily enraged, and yuo had a gun in your glove compartment. A very short tempered agressive person might just pull it out and fire away.. But can you honestly say that the same person would you go after me with a rock once I parked my car? Probably not, you would probably be pissed off to high hell, go to work have a miserable take yell at a few people, go home and in a day or two forget the whole thing ever happened.. Or maybe follow me and punch me in the face once I got out of my car, and feel good about it.. But the end result of both these situations, lacks one thing.. Death.. Killing becomes too easy, and doesn't require any thought before it is done, no weighing out the actions and the consequences, and that is probably why the USA has 5-10 times more murders per capita than ANY of country in the world.. Also, WHAT THE FUCK do you need with a fully automatic anti-aircraft gun.. I went to some of those websites, and they were selling uzi's all the way up to an M60 .. I mean, you mount an M60 on a tank in typical situations, what the hell do you need a fully automatic 9MM rifle for? It is ridiculous..

Thor

03-27-2002, 04:38 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by toker: I dare any motherfucker to try and take my right to carry a firearm because it wont happen while there is life in my body. Even my 80yr old grandmother has a 357 i gave to her and she aint afraid to use it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>So if there was made a new law against people owning firearms, and the police went to peoples houses to collect them (from those that didnt turn them in by themselves) then you would shoot them or what ?

basschick

03-27-2002, 09:21 AM

according to police statistics, people DON'T kill each other with rocks (VERY rare) - but they DO often shoot each other, often in the heat of passion or by accident. then they're sorry, but it's too late. also very few people are able to get to their guns in an intruder situation - i guess intruders expect you to have a gun. but some people DO shoot relatives and friends who they THINK are intruders. once you take a life, you can't put it back. it isn't worth it. peace!

e-van

03-27-2002, 10:26 AM

I'll have to stand in favor of gun ownership here. For starters, I live in a country in which owning a gun is illegal, but, nonetheless, crime rate is really high and rising. The problem is that criminals can get an illegal gun for a couple hundred bucks and go rob people on the street, shooting them for a couple of bucks. The police officers here are severely underarmed for the task at hand, all because the gun law says they cannot bear enough guns or ammo to do their job. There was a time when crime here was low, and at that time, guns where commonplace, why did the crime rate went up? because the probability for a thief of finding someone with a gun during a felony is really low, we've been denied the right to defend ourselves, you shouldn't let that right to be taken away from you.

DTK

03-27-2002, 10:41 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by e-van: [QB] The problem is that criminals can get an illegal gun for a couple hundred bucks and go rob people on the street, shooting them for a couple of bucks. QB]<hr /></blockquote>This is one part of the discussion that people who are pro-gun control simply ignore.

ADIDAS

03-27-2002, 11:15 AM

You mentioned people being robbed on the street by criminals using guns. How does anti-gun control work into that equation? I know here in California we can't carry a gun outside of our house. How is it going to protect me from someone when I go to work?

The Dawg

03-27-2002, 02:54 PM

If there was a ban on guns, then only the criminals would have them. All others would be at their mercy. BT

The Dawg

03-27-2002, 02:56 PM

If there was a ban on guns, then only the criminals would have them. All others would be at their mercy.

DTK

03-27-2002, 03:51 PM

LOL Dawg - That was worth saying twice <img border="0" alt="[Nod]" title="" src="graemlins/nod.gif" />

toker

03-27-2002, 03:55 PM

You want to know why the USA has 5-10 times more murders per capita than ANY of country look at our size and population. Then you come down to Miami and i will take you to the ghetto where they teach 12yr olds how to steal their first car. In majority of cases its not some excuctive or middle class person who shoots for rage or leaves a gun out for his 9yr old to kill his playmates. Most (not all) of these people are poor - low class live in poor areas. It may happen in with people that have money too but alot of it does have to do with poverty. If you live in a happy place then you are quite lucky. When i was growing up anyone could get a stolen gun in school for $50 and gang violence was just a part of life. Its gotten alot better over time but there are still some areas where you drive thru and you see very bad stuff. How would you like to live on a street where your daughter goes outside and a rock monster tries to rob her. Maybe you never seen a place where after the sun goes down you see crack addicts walking like zombies to trade in stolen goods for a quick fix. Well i have seen all this and i have had guns pulled on me and those people aret the ones who buy and carry legally. Down here you can buy 2 types of weapons clean or with bodies clean means they never been used and bodies means its been used in a shooting which a gun with bodies sells for almost nothing. Maybe i should make a little video for all you who never seen the flipside of the extreeme poverty. When you drive around your city do you see bums sleeping on the ground all over the place? I bet i could open your eyes and you would change your mind real quick. <img border="0" alt="[Nod]" title="" src="graemlins/nod.gif" />

DTK

03-27-2002, 03:59 PM

I thought it was just because we're better shots <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

PeepNTom

03-27-2002, 04:47 PM

guns dont kill people - people kill people <img border="0" alt="[Nod]" title="" src="graemlins/nod.gif" /> a gun is just a device for which to commit the act of harm with, now the gun didnt do it the dumbass in control of it did. I could kill someone with a drinking straw, but I dont and if I did it would be me killing and not the straw........get it? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> weapons are just the device, it takes an idiot to actually use them in a bad way. I have several high calibur deer rifles, I hunt, but I dont run around killing people, although there have been a few I felt dont need to be wasting this planets space any longer <img border="0" alt="[ROTFLMAO]" title="" src="graemlins/rotflmao.gif" /> and on someones previous page 1 post, a militia is not an army, do some research on the constitution and maybe watch a movie like "The Patriot" then you might uderstand what a militia is why our smart as hell founding fathers created this right for us. ok, I'm done <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

arthurdent

03-27-2002, 04:51 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by PeepNTom: and on someones previous page 1 post, a militia is not an army, do some research on the constitution and maybe watch a movie like "The Patriot" then you might uderstand what a militia is why our smart as hell founding fathers created this right for us. ok, I'm done <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote><img border="0" alt="[Nod]" title="" src="graemlins/nod.gif" /> peace

TwinTone

03-28-2002, 12:03 AM

All this talk about kids killing themselves and other kids with guns is only due to irresponsible parents. Lock your fucking guns up end of problem. Dawg is 100% correct. If there were to be a ban on guns, the only people with guns would be the criminals, which 80% of have the gun illegally now. I truly believe people that are against guns have never shot one, and are therefore scared of them, or have no interest in them. I grew up around guns, was taught to respect them, went to gun safety, and I am a avid hunter. My guns are locked and secured at all times when not in use. I sure as shit wouldn't have a problem protecting my family from an intruder if I had to. I also know that I wouldn't become a statistic of one of those people that ends up being killed with their own gun. Why? Because I have learned to handle and use the gun properly and wouldn't even think twice about shooting someone in my home, threatening my wife and child. What if I didn't have a gun? Then what? Just let some scumbag take away the 2 things I cherish more then anything in the world? Never! People that would like to see guns banned are just fools. What do you really feel would change? A few kids would not have access to a gun so therefore the world would be better? Look at drugs, how many people under the age of 24 die from a drug overdose? They are illegal, what about alcohol? Better go back to prohibition, too many people die from drinking and driving. The point here is this. Banning guns changes nothing, you want someone dead, you will find a way to make them so. Remember if you are a US citizen that if it were not for guns, you would not be free today. If it is so God damn bad here, move the fuck away and quit bitching about how horrible it is to live here. You Rosie O'Donnell loving fruits should all get on a boat ad float the hell away to another land, were everything is perfect. Good to get that off my chest.. heh

TwinTone

03-28-2002, 12:38 AM

A fatal gun accident, particularly when a child is involved, often makes state or national news. This gives the impression that: fatal gun accidents are more prevalent than other fatal accidents, gun accidents are increasing, and civilian gun ownership must be further restricted or regulated. The reality does not correspond to the perception created by media coverage. Fatal gun accidents declined by almost sixty percent from 1975 to 1995, even though the number of guns per capita increased by almost forty percent. Fatal gun accidents involving children (aged 0-14) also fell significantly, from 495 in 1975, to under 250 in 1995. More children die from accidental drownings or burns than from gun accidents. (Gun supply statistics are from the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, gun accident rates from the National Safety Council). Gun control groups and pro-control medical researchers often include "children" up to the age of nineteen and in some cases twenty-four, to inflate the number of "child" gun accidents. (This is the only way it can be claimed a child is killed everyday in a gun accident. Compare fatal gun accidents to the number of kids killed while crossing the street.) The solutions one may propose to prevent child accidents should differ from those of young adults. For example pressure sensitive pistol grips won't help much when older "kids" are playing Russian Roulette, especially in places where it's legal for eighteen or twenty-one year-olds to own firearms. As rare as fatal gun accidents are among young children, their actual frequency is probably overstated. Florida State University criminologist Dr. Gary Kleck suggests that some fatal gun accidents may actually be the culmination of a history of child abuse, in other words intentional homicides. Dr. Kleck cites a national survey conducted in 1976 (Strauss, M., et. al., Behind Closed Doors: Violence in the American Family, Garden City, NY: Anchor Press, 1981), which found "3% of children had, in the previous year, had guns or knives (the two are combined in the source) actually used on them by their parents, according to the parents' own admissions. Since this translates into about 46,000 such incidents per year, it would not be surprising if a few dozen resulted in a gun death falsely reported as accidental."(Gary Kleck, Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control, p 209. Walter de Gruyter, Inc., New York, 1997.) Dr. Kleck further mentions, "The risk of being a victim of a fatal gun accident can be better appreciated if it is compared to a more familiar risk...Each year about five hundred children under the age of five accidentally drown in residential swimming pools, compared to about forty killed in gun accidents, despite the fact that there are only about five million households with swimming pools, compared to at least 43 million with guns. Thus, based on owning households, the risk of a fatal accident among small children is over one hundred times higher for swimming pools than for guns." (p 296) In Targeting Guns, Dr. Kleck concludes in part, "Most gun accidents occur in the home, many (perhaps most) of them involving guns kept for defense. However, very few accidents occur in connection with actual defensive uses of guns. Gun accidents are generally committed by unusually reckless people with records of heavy drinking, repeated involvement in automobile crashes, many traffic citations, and prior arrests for assault. Gun accidents, then, involve a rare and atypical subset of the population, as both shooters and victims. They rarely involve children, and most commonly involve adolescents and young adults." "The risk of a gun accident is extremely low, even among defensive gun owners, except among a very small, identifiably high-risk subset of the population. Consequently, it is doubtful whether, for the average gun owner, the risk of a gun accident could counterbalance the benefits of keeping a gun in the home for protection: the risk of an accident is quite low overall, and is virtually nonexistent for most gun owners Fatal gun accidents often receive national attention. Subsequently politicians demand mandatory firearms safety classes for all gun owners, yet many more lives could be saved by randomly selecting and educating a group of drivers rather than gun owners, not to mention the populace at large regarding, administering first-aid, how to eat, and basic common sense safety habits. (It is not being suggested that such training be offered or mandated.)

TwinTone

03-28-2002, 01:13 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by basschick: once you take a life, you can't put it back. it isn't worth it. peace!<hr /></blockquote>So what happens when that life is my own? Or my loved ones? Because an intruder had a gun and I had nothing to defend myself with?

unconnected

03-28-2002, 02:03 PM

All we are talking about is being at the mercy of robbers with guns.. it is just ridiculous, and VERY biased.. What you need to do is go and live in a country that doesn't allow guns at all, ESPECIALLY not guns that you can carry under your jacket where no one can see it. The biggest fear you have is that you will all be defensless against all of these people with guns, and that is not the case up here.. I will tell you that from first hand experience.. Same in Japan and the UK as well as up here in Canada.. I will tell you this, I have NEVER been at the mercy of a criminal with a gun, I have never even seen a handgun with the exception of police officers. It is different than you think it is, because yuo can't see outside of this box that you are inside. and I admit, with the aggressive and paranoid mentality that plagues the US, it would be impossible to disarm the public with out mass arrests and probably near civil war, which is incredibly sad, because your country is ripping itself apart from the inside out and it might have reached a cascade point where it is too late too stop..

AgentCash

03-28-2002, 03:11 PM

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