New Porn Law Heads to Supreme Court

[WiredGuy]

Hi, thought I'd post this for those of you running little child protection scripts. The COPA law is seeking to include prison terms for showing porn to kiddies, just though people should now about the new law which is heading to supreme court now...

WG
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-7996001.html?tag=mn_hd

[manga]

Could be a good way to get rid of all the free content on the Web :D

[WiredGuy]

Would make me happy as well, but most of the people here would kill me for saying that :-)

WG

[playa]

only thing i don't like is these anti-porn people are using kids as a scapegoat,,,

they don't give a shit about the children,,,
just a ploy to attack pornography,,,

if they really cared they should rather advocate filter software be placed on computers

[WiredGuy]

Originally posted by playa:
<STRONG>only thing i don't like is these anti-porn people are using kids as a scapegoat,,,

they don't give a shit about the children,,,
just a ploy to attack pornography,,,

if they really cared they should rather advocate filter software be placed on computers</STRONG>

Well, the COPA is designed for children only. They just want to prevent access to children which is respectable (they have no credit cards anyway, so no profit potential from them!). They aren't really attacking the adult market in general with this law (there's other BS ones that do that), but the COPA is getting a bit too strict now. I liked it the way it was with warnings and penalties, introducing jail time is a bit excessive in my opinion.

WG

[manga]

I agree, the jailtime is overkill. That and the broad nature of the bill, with its restrictions on speech, will probably ensure it doesn't get passed.

[Pro]

Lets face it from a very pesimistic point of view.

There were two time lines in this life so far.
1) Before Sept 11, were freedom of speech and privacy meant something.
2) After Sept 11. Anything and anyone is a suspect. Now I know any law is passed. For crying out loud car insurance is going up becouse of "Sept 11". ??? Not to mention that 3 insurance companies did not pay a dime to the victims as Terrorism is not covered. I wouldn't be supprised if Insurance companies started to offer "Terrorism" Insurance.

Going to the point.

Jail time is too much for such small offenses. Recent events give the corporations alot of excuses to put pressure on the Gov. to pass such "extreme" laws.

Weird, I'm with you, there is definetly too much free content out there. I have been away from this Industry for two years, and when I came back, I thought "wtf ???".

Nuff babling.

[WiredGuy]

Originally posted by Pro:
<STRONG>Lets face it from a very pesimistic point of view. Not to mention that 3 insurance companies did not pay a dime to the victims as Terrorism is not covered. I wouldn't be supprised if Insurance companies started to offer "Terrorism" Insurance.
Nuff babling.</STRONG>

I thought insurance was supposed to cover anything except acts of God? So if Osama came by my house and stole my car, my insurance company wouldn't pay up because he's a terrorist? I hate insurance companies, they just don't wanna pay because there's too many claims I'm guessing. Isn't that what the re-insurance companies are supposed to do?

WG

[candidpublishinginc]

Originally posted on Wired:
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"The law is clear; it's worked in print for years," Hughes said. "COPA essentially extends those laws in the material world to the cyberworld."
</STRONG>

Someone needs to tell this fucking moron that the Internet is global, and that this law will only hurt U.S. businesses and won't make the problem go away.

Instead of bullshit laws that don't help, these anti porn people should be pushing filters and parental responsibility.

Don't want your kids surfing porn? Get Netnanny.

Don't want your kids using dialers? Get a 900 block! They're FREE from most LECs these days.

[basschick]

hey, i doubt it's gonna pass, although it seems the conservative administration that came in with bush have changed the climate of government a little.

but if it DOES pass, it won't just refer to free galleries - it will mean that if a kid wanders onto your content-free cj site and reads a link that says "Girl Drinking Cum" you might be elligible for jail.

[mrwebmaster2000]

This law is BULLSHIT!!!
Then we should also put in jail anyone who works for DishNetwork and DirecTV and any satelitte TV system, as well as any cable tv operator who offers porn on their line up, as well as any newspaper kiosk which sells porn, and let's not forget the parents who have dildos and sex toys and do not put them in a safe place.
IT IS THE RESPONSABILITY OF PARENTS TO MONITOR THEIR CHILDREN'S ACTIVITIES.
How do you expect a country where people can't even keep their guns safe from their kids to keep porn away from them...?
Anyone offering or playing or medleying with child porn should be put in jail. But, this, this new proposal is just the beginning of the new inquisition!
If we do not fight this non-sense, then you all can kiss goodbye to Porn, Alcohol and pretty soon music and good humor. All of you who have elected the right-christians now in power are to blame for this shit.

[*Kimmykim*]

That stupid Donna Rice has no room to talk about anything. Wasn't she the one that got caught with MARRIED Gary Hart on that Monkey Business boat?

She's a hypocrite, plain and simple.

[basschick]

AMEN to you, *Kimmykim*. why is it that the people in our government that scream the loudest about censorship usually end up with sex issues?

[*Kimmykim*]

Well she didn't start screaming about sex until she got caught on camera helping a presidential candidate commit adultery... :)

[Jorge]

...helping a presidential candidate commit adultery... :)[/QB]


adultery I hate this word. I almost failed an exam because of not recalling this damn word.

[playa]

Originally posted by candidpublishinginc:
<STRONG>

Instead of bullshit laws that don't help, these anti porn people should be pushing filters and parental responsibility.

Don't want your kids surfing porn? Get Netnanny.

Don't want your kids using dialers? Get a 900 block! They're FREE from most LECs these days.</STRONG>


thats my exact point,, i am telling you they just using the kids as a scape goat,,

i know as well as all of you,,,
there is misconception that pornsites can just become mysteriously,, in actuality if you look for it you will find it,,,

now it shouldn't be our fault if Mr. DAD was surfering for porn and bookmarked it and little billy surfed to the bookmarks, Mrs Mom will blame the adult industry,,LOL

[Wizzo]

Originally posted by mrwebmaster2000:
All of you who have elected the right-christians now in power are to blame for this shit.[/QB]

I agree it is bullshit, but If I remeber correctly Liberman was the MAIN sponsor of this bill, the last election was a lose-lose situation. You might want to learn who your ememies are.... ;)

[gotys]

Yep, it will only effect US, which isn't gonna do much, since most of the biggest TGPs are ran by european webmasters anyway. Bunch of stupid fucks sitting out there making stupid bs laws.

[teenmafia]

Before I start my post I want to make sure this is nothing personal :)

Anyways.

As I saw someone say that the web is international thing. I understand you being nervous and such, but the world doesn't stop if these laws go through. It won't have any effect anywhere but US. Are you seriously trying to convince me that if some law is made up in the US, it means anything anywhere else? :)

No.

The US cannot be a police for the web even if it's trying to be the police of the world ;)

Don't take that personally, just look at the facts. :)

I'm safe and sound. And I ain't no communist either :rolleyes:

[WiredGuy]

Originally posted by GodFather:
<STRONG>Before I start my post I want to make sure this is nothing personal :)

Anyways.

As I saw someone say that the web is international thing. I understand you being nervous and such, but the world doesn't stop if these laws go through. It won't have any effect anywhere but US. Are you seriously trying to convince me that if some law is made up in the US, it means anything anywhere else? :)

No.

The US cannot be a police for the web even if it's trying to be the police of the world ;)

Don't take that personally, just look at the facts. :)

I'm safe and sound. And I ain't no communist either :rolleyes:</STRONG>

He's right. Seeing as all the main carriers of the Internet are UUNet, Worldcom (now merged), cable & wireless, sprint, etc. etc. there's a very easy way to force this law on americans. Tell these companies to block out the famous TGP sites or they'll be sued for it. Sounds a bit too radical you think? I don't think so, these 5-7 companies carry all the pipage to north america and it seems like an easy way to force american enforcement. Sure, there's freedom of speech issues here, but if it violates another law then my guess is not many people in power will give a shit...

Just my 2 cents...
WG

[Much0S]

absolute worst case i can think of is that all free content goes behind AVS.

Now that doesnt seem too bad :)

[Wizzo]

Originally posted by GodFather:
<STRONG>
The US cannot be a police for the web even if it's trying to be the police of the world ;)

Don't take that personally, just look at the facts. :)

I'm safe and sound. And I ain't no communist either :rolleyes:</STRONG>

The facts would seem that if the US decides it wants to enforce something world wide, it does. Just ask Bin Laden, who probley said, "I'm safe and sound here in Afganistan"... ;) It may not be this way forever, but currently the US has the biggest stick w/ one hell of a reach when it wants too...

However, I think that this law might very well help, rather than hurt, if the Supreme court loosens the standards of it just a bit, however requires hardcore porn to be behind a AVS or member site.

[manga]

Originally posted by Much0S:
<STRONG>absolute worst case i can think of is that all free content goes behind AVS.

Now that doesnt seem too bad :)</STRONG>

Sounds like a good idea to me too :D

[playa]

Originally posted by Much0S:
<STRONG>absolute worst case i can think of is that all free content goes behind AVS.

Now that doesnt seem too bad :)</STRONG>

an avs is nothing when your back end is not secured in a members area,, many AVS webmasters double the back ends as free sites and use the galleries for TGP posting,,

this is alot of work trying to make all the it secure,, what about Search engines?
how are we gonna force an AVS to pop up before the content pages