quote/Don't Fuck Around With This Election!

[Crysty]

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Did you know that a right wing (republican) presidency would like to stop you from ever thinking about sex?

Just cause they're not getting it doesn't mean that you shouldn't.

Just cause GW does cocaine doesn't mean that you should.

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Crysty

[xApster]

hah got that too http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[QuietMike]

Well I just voted for Gore http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[eRock]

And where is this guy getting this info about the rebulican presidency...? Sounds like he's just trying to sway voters...

[candidpublishinginc]

That's a bunch of bullshit.

I voted for Bush, and I'm Libertarian.

[baddog]

you guys that voted for Bush are fucking morons, sorry but facts are facts and there's no getting around it.

besides the fact that if Bush wins he will do as stated and here's proof:
Heres Bushes stand on porn:

"Pornography is not welcome in the Lone Star State.” The letters continued, “If I am fortunate enough to be elected President, I
will insist on vigorously enforcing federal anti-pornography laws” (MIM press release, 10/30/00).
http://www.cwfa.org/library/pornography/2000-11-02_prosecution.shtml


On top of everything else, he's a fucking rich kid that was given oil companies to run, and run he did, everyone of them to bankruptcy.

God help us all if he wins.

[Dan S]

Wow Mr Lloyd,

calling somebody "fucking moron" for using his vote for his candidate sounds interesting to me.

Is that what american democracy and freedom of speech stands for?

Even if I would like to see Gore in the White House...uhm, there is something like attitude, right?

Yeah, may god help you all

[eRock]

I think Gore's the moron. That guy changes what he says ever time he speaks! Plus,he's SO full of shit! The guy claimed he invented the Internet, said he can hipnotize chickens just by staring intotheir eyes...LOL! That's who ya want for president!?

Plus, Bush will never be able to make porn a federal crime...it's a HUGE business! Imean, has any president been able to stop drugs...? Another huge business! Like any politician, if they get a piece of the action they'lllook the other way.

[QuietMike]

Well at least Gore CAN speak. Christ, Bush can't even spell. He has
no idea about foreign policy. And really doesn't have enough
experience.

"Imean, has any president been able to stop drugs...?"

Well if bush keeps using them, I am sure he could get rid of them all by
himself! LOL I mean he is already showing signs of a sorry president.
He has yet to win the election and he is already determining his
staff. Kind of cocky to me. Also, he is acting like a hot head over
this Florida state thing. All the democrats want is a fair vote. The
ballets in south beach are unmistakably deceptive, and the amount of
people that used them would of put Gore over the top. Bush is only
leading by 1,700 votes and because of south beach they through out
19,000! More than enough to put Gore in the lead. Plus Gore does
have the popular vote right now, which I think speaks more then the
electoral college. Also kinda of funny that it is his brothers state
might I add. Bushes father was a sorry ass president and my bet is
that it runs in the family.

[baddog]

Dan S.

I will defend the right of morons to vote, hell they do run for office after all.

And I have to agree that it is highly suspect that Bush's brother is gov of Florida, and while there was a 1,700 vote difference, as the re-count nears the end it is only 341 vote difference, out of 6 million cast! Damn! Good thing Florida state law required recount when less than 1/2 of 1% separate the 2 candidates.

[candidpublishinginc]

Bad_dog, you're the fucking moron here. Hmm lets see....Clinton signed both the CDA and CDA 2. I bet both Gore AND Bush would do the same thing, BUT Bush will give me a nice tax cut.

Are you fucking dumb enough to believe that Gore and the Democratic Party is for the adult industry??? Get real man! The only party that is for the adult industry is the Libertarian Party.

So I'm still a fucking moron for voting for Bush??? Fuck you dude, why don't you shove your piece of shit TGP submitter up your ass.

Originally posted by bad_dog:
you guys that voted for Bush are fucking morons, sorry but facts are facts and there's no getting around it.

besides the fact that if Bush wins he will do as stated and here's proof:
Heres Bushes stand on porn:

"Pornography is not welcome in the Lone Star State.” The letters continued, “If I am fortunate enough to be elected President, I
will insist on vigorously enforcing federal anti-pornography laws” (MIM press release, 10/30/00).
http://www.cwfa.org/library/pornography/2000-11-02_prosecution.shtml


On top of everything else, he's a fucking rich kid that was given oil companies to run, and run he did, everyone of them to bankruptcy.

God help us all if he wins.

[magnatique]

grrr http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

I'm not into the whole US shit... so I'm from the outside view..

but when a guy going for president claims that if he is elected, he will make war to the porn industry, well, I think it doesn't smell too good :\..

[QuietMike]

gee, I wonder if he can even spell porn... http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[baddog]

candid,

I am sorry, but your ignorance is showing. Number one, no Libertarian has a chance at presidency, so what's your point with that comment.

Number two, so what if Clinton signed CDA the Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional, so, so what? Anyway the biggest threat there was no free porn, big deal, you like giving it away?

And last but not least, the President can't give you a tax cut, no matter what th fuck he promises. It is not in his power, that is the job of the Congress. Better go back to high school presuming you have already graduated. U.S. Civics should have taught you that much.

[Dan S]

There the attitude is going down the drain again.

I must admit bad_dog I wouldnt want to be involved in a discussion with you.

Let me get out of here http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[boneyard]

i hate to break bad news to y'all,but i live in texas...houston is one of the titty bar capitals of the world,we got shitloads of them http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

you're ever here check out rick's cabaret...theres been several penthouse centerfolds come out of that place :P

theres shitloads of porn movie shops/toy stores too...bush has been around for a while and hasnt even tried or suggested to fuck with them once

as for gore,he's a whiner...he lost and now he's gonna try to sue his way into the oval office...i can see him crying in private saying "it's not fair,it's not fair,i wanted to be a big boy like willy too!"

[QuietMike]

First of all gore hasn't lost. Its kind of funny that everything that is happening is in his brothers state. Isn't it??? He is just waiting for the recount right now. It is the people that want the revote! If the stupid fucking ballet wasn't all fucked up then gore would have already one and bush would go on back to alcohol. God damn, that is one of the things that really get to me about bush, he is cocky enough to say that he won when he hasn't and won't know for a while. Thats not very presidential if you ask me. And of course bush didn't fuck with your porn. If he did that then he could kiss his hope of getting elected goodbye. I MEAN I know he is a very stupid mother fucker, but I don't underestimate his parties intelegence. But of couse it doesn't show much about picking bush as their canidate after seeing his father.

[candidpublishinginc]

Sorry to say bad dog, but your the ignorant one here.

Number One: No shit sherlock, I realize that currently no Libertarian has a chance for presidency. That's why I voted for Bush, dumbass.

Number Two: So what if Bush signed a CDA like bill into law? Based on your arguement the Supreme Court would declare it unconstituational. Also in regards to the free porn comment. Unless you get SE traffic like me, you have to give away some free porn as a teaser to get the surfer to want more "hardcore" stuff. It clearly shows that you're nothing but a newbie in this industry.

Last Point: True, the President can't give you a tax cut, but he can propose one. I have a good feeling Congress would approve of such a tax cut. Why do you think 12clicks and the Mayor of Porncity.com is voting for Bush? Are they morons too? They sure are more successful than you are.

Oh and boneyard, great points there. It proves that pissants like Bad_dog having nothing to back up their "Bush will ban porn" claims.

LOL yeah Gore sure is a whiner. He's like a spoiled little boy. What an arrogant ass.


Originally posted by bad_dog:
candid,

I am sorry, but your ignorance is showing. Number one, no Libertarian has a chance at presidency, so what's your point with that comment.

Number two, so what if Clinton signed CDA the Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional, so, so what? Anyway the biggest threat there was no free porn, big deal, you like giving it away?

And last but not least, the President can't give you a tax cut, no matter what th fuck he promises. It is not in his power, that is the job of the Congress. Better go back to high school presuming you have already graduated. U.S. Civics should have taught you that much.

[candidpublishinginc]

Correction: The Mayor and 12clicks aren't voting for Bush, they already did. http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Ace]

They're all full of shit.
And it ain't very democratic if you only got the choice between asshole #1 and asshole #2 to vote for eh?

[boneyard]

QuiteMike

First of all gore hasn't lost. Its kind of funny that everything that is happening is in his brothers state. Isn't it???
that is true..neither candidate has yet currently won.but the recount minus overseas absentee ballots is now finished...and bush is still ahead.
ask yourself and answer honestly,do you think most of those absentees are going to be from military stationed in some foreign countey on one of clintons meals on wheels invasions?
the U.S. military does NOT like that man for the most part.and that will reflect on his chosen heir.
as for it happening in his brothers state,since you want to do conspiracy theories,here's one for you.

vice president campaigns in florida,while there he contacts a few loyal county and state officials and tells then to tamper with the elections very discreetly.make it look like someone else did it.that way we can say it was bush that did it.it is his brothers state after all.who would belive he doesnt have motivation to cheat for his brother.and when it's all said and done the people will blame both bush brothers for it.kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
jeb bush recused himself from the recount...that mean non participation because of the possibility of the appearance of impropriety.pretty corrupt eh?...he didnt even count the ballots the first time http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

the recount totals (minus oversea absebtees not yet received and invalidated ballots)are only a few hundred votes difference from the original count out of about 6 million.that seems pretty damn accurate to me.

and heres another conspiracy theory for you..the military overseas,a lot of them recieved their ballots the day AFTER the election.(bet you didnt know that did you? check it and verify it,they were withheld.)too late to use them.
maybe clinton/gore decided that since it might be close it would be a good idea to keep them from people that might favor bush?
the military hates clinton/gore for the most part,they have their supporters in there but theres not very many.
It is the people that want the revote! If the stupid fucking ballet wasn't all fucked up then gore would have already one
no..it's the dnc that wants all votes tossed out and do it again.as for the stupid fucking ballot that was used in lots of other places and was APPROVED by DEMOCRAT OFFICIALS BEFORE THE ELECTION...i think you should look at the stupid fucking people.the ones screaming for a revote are for the most part that i've seen the ones that voted for more than one candidate and their ballot was invalidated because of it.
what fucking kind of idiot tries to vote for gore and bush(or whatever person) on the same ballot and then expects their ballot to be counted?
if it was a case of accidentally punching the wrong candidate all you have to do is ask for a new ballot before you leave the polls and they will give you a new one.
if for some reason you have trouble with the ballot the poll officials are REQUIRED to help you,that's up to and including reading the ballot and punching the holes for you if for some reason you cant
God damn, that is one of the things that really get to me about bush, he is cocky enough to say that he won when he hasn't and won't know for a while. Thats not very presidential if you ask me.
umm....i hate to put too fine a point on it but....gore made a concession call on election night then recanted it a little bit later.the liberal left wing news media declared bush the winner and took it back. bush has yet to say he won.

he has said he thinks he will win when the recount is all finished,but both candidates say that.why arent you criticizing gore for saying he won before the count is finished?(what else would filing lawsuits be for besides being a sore loser?)

about the corruption at the polls subject,heres an article i found that explains how gore could use his power as vice president to steal the election and shows how the groundwork has allrerady been done for him to do it.this isnt theory,it's law and fact. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_btl/20001110_xcbtl_al_gore_an.shtml
i would not put it past a man that would sell our nuclear weapon secrets to the chinese for campaign donations to do something like that.

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[baddog]

Candid,

Yeah, I am a fucking newbie alright, only just started in May, . . . of 1996. Fuck you, when did you start. Free sites were rare if existent at all, there was no such thing as a TGP. Never heard of a circle jerk, even though some of the pay site tours resembled them.

You have a good feeling about Congress giving us a tax cut huh? What are you basing that on? Why aren't you running the Federal Reserve instead of Greenspan you know so much?


As far as Houston being on of the tittie bar capitals of the world, well I have two cousins that worked there when they lived there, so I know they exist, but also knowing Texans like I do, their worlds usually go no further than about 50 miles from where they were born to where they die, so how would they know any better? Sure, Houston has more tittie bars than LaMarque, Texas City, or Galveston, but that's not saying much.

What makes you think our military doesn't like Clinton? Anything you can provide as your reliance? While you are at it how about a link to where you came up with this bit about the military getting their ballots after the election.

In closing, Gore has not filed any suit. Individual Floridians have. Why is it that Bush had a 1700 vote lead out of 6 million votes cast, and after recount it is down to 347?

[eRock]

Alls I gotta say is that if people are actually claiming that ballot in Florida was actually confusing...then they're the morons! We have the same balloty up here & I had no problem. Gore's just bein' a li'l baby! He's already made the US a laughing stock around the world cuz of this!

[Lamar]

This is my first post here and I really didn't come here to talk politics but I couldn't resist after reading this thread. I'm niether republic nor democrat and didn't vote for either candidate. I voted for Ralph Nader and I salute anyone who votes for an underdog party (green party, reform party, or libertarian party) because I, like many other Americans are sick of the two party system.

Anyway, I'm not here to share my political opinions. I'm here to shed some light on the situation in Florida (I live here). To be perfectly honest the ballets were fucked up. It wasn't the actual ballet so much as it was the machine you bunch the ballets with. The holes didn't line up and anyone could've made that mistake. The ballets did not fit in the machine properly and that's the reason for the dispute on that subject.

The biggest problem right now is the fact that a few thousand Florida voters were turned away at the polls. They were denied there right to vote because of deletions from the registered voters list. Even though these people clearly were registered voters and had their registration cards they were not allowed to vote. It is those voters that are trying to organize a class action law suite against the state of Florida and not Al Gore.

The reason that the democratic party is suspicious of this is because voters were only turned away in minority and low income areas of the state. Those are usually the sure votes for democrats. Everyones eyes seem to only point to Palm Beach and Miami Dade County but this happened state wide. In fact my brother, a resident of Duval County (Jacksonville) was turned away.

I don't think that Jeb Bush was in anyway responsible for the simple fact that he would ruin himself, his brother, and every other Bush to come along politically. I also don't think that Al Gore would do this for damn near the same reason. I beleive this to be either honest error or corruption at a local level.

Also I would like to comment on the political climate and the internet porn industry. Both the republicans and the democrats are bad for this industry and this is why. If Al Gore were elected his running mate, Lieberman, would then be VP. If that doesn't scare the fuck out of you then perhaps you don't know Lieberman's past history regarding censorship and his ever throbbing hard on for smut peddlers. Tipper Gore would also be the first lady and if you want to argue that the presidents wife has no real power then I shall tactfully remind you of Nancy Reagan...nuff said. If Bush were elected I doubt he would personally attack the porn industry. The scary thing about a republican in office is the fact that the new president can seat 4 new justices to the supreme court making the first conservative majority supreme court in quite some time. If that happens and the CDA goes up again then it can easily be pronounced constitutional.

To be honest it's a lose / lose situation. There were only two presidential candidates that are completely against censorship and no body would vote for them because they thought they would be "wasteing a vote". You only waste a vote when you don't vote your consience.

Anyway, that's the humble opinion of the newest jerk at the board http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif I hope that I shed some light on the Florida situation for you guys because the press is twisting things around and making the ballete error sound like the big situation when it's not. The voters not being allowed to vote is the big situation.

[Bean]

The longer this goes on the more it will fuck up our economy. Hopefully next week this is all over. But Gore being a career politican I hardly doubt it will.

Castro offered to send people here to make sure the election was fair... That speaks for its self.

[Doctor Dre]

Next week ? I don't think so !

[boneyard]

bad_dog

here's 2

Military missing absebtee ballots (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_dougherty/20001104_xnjdo_military_m.shtml)

Congressman calls for military ballot probe (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_dougherty/20001110_xnjdo_congressma.shtml)

[QuietMike]

God damn boneyard, you think you wrote enough for me to reply to. In the state I am in, this will be kinda hard but Ill give it a try. hmmmmmmmmmmm.

"that is true..neither candidate has yet currently won.but the recount minus overseas absentee ballots is now finished...and bush is still ahead.
ask yourself and answer honestly,do you think most of those absentees are going to be from military stationed in some foreign countey on one of clintons meals on wheels invasions?
the U.S. military does NOT like that man for the most part.and that will reflect on his chosen heir."

Also kind of funny that a lot of the overseas military recieved 2 ballets each isn't it??????? Also I think your conspiracy theory is a little far fetched, I mean why would the democrates try to fuck with the voting in florida. Bushes fucking brother runs florida!!!!!!!!! Don't you think that his brother would know what was going on in his own state. A little to risky for me.

"no..it's the dnc that wants all votes tossed out and do it again.as for the stupid fucking ballot that was used in lots of other places and was APPROVED by DEMOCRAT OFFICIALS BEFORE THE ELECTION...i think you should look at the stupid fucking people."

Actually it is the fucking people that want the revote. It was the people that put a stop to the certifying of the recount. Aslo the ballot was not approved by a democrate. She never saw the end result. Just the "blue print" before they made them. I also understand that the ballot was used before in other elections. But, the elections it was used in were not presidential, hence most people didn't even vote. So, they never saw the ballot before. Also, the ballot is in fact an illegal ballot! The stipulations of the ballot were suposed to be that the order of the canadates had to follow: Republican, Democrat, then the minorities. The "butterfly ballot's" order was: Republican, Bucanin, Democrat, then the other minorities. Even Bucanin or how ever you spell his name, got up and said that he would of never of gotten that many votes from south beach.

"umm....i hate to put too fine a point on it but....gore made a concession call on election night then recanted it a little bit later.the liberal left wing news media declared bush the winner and took it back. bush has yet to say he won."

Yes he did make the call, because he thought bush had won. But his party called him from florida and told him how close it really was so he did recant it. I would of too.

Ok, I am really tired of fighting over this stupid ass election so let me just say one thing and then I am laying it to rest for now. The election is extremely close. It is hard to say what the outcome is going to be. They have to recieve the overseas ballots and at that point I think Bush will be in the lead. But, I think the deciding factor will be if they decide to let southbeach revote. In this case I think it would be fair to do that. Every pro Bush person is opset over that but I realy don't see why. If Bush really won, then the revote would have no effect on the outcome right???? I just think that bush won by a couple mistakes that his brothers state made and everyone knows it and doesn't want the revote because it will change the outcome to what they do not want.

I am sorry that most of this probably doen't make any sence. But I can't help the fact that I am already drunk. http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
So, I hope you can at least get an idea of what I was trying to say. Also boneyard, next time please try to keep the messages a little shorter when in reply to me. I had a little trouble remembering it all in the reply.

[baddog]

Originally posted by boneyard:
bad_dog

here's 2

Military missing absebtee ballots (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_dougherty/20001104_xnjdo_military_m.shtml)

Congressman calls for military ballot probe (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_dougherty/20001110_xnjdo_congressma.shtml)

Okay, number 1 I don't need to read too much to know where worldnetdaily stands on anything. Shit, they think Elian Gonzalez should have stayed here, so why don't you find a source a little more middle of the road.

Be that as it may, each individual military person is responsible for getting an absentee ballot from his home state. There are going to be people that are not going to get theirs due to relocation at the last miute, like those that went to support the USS Cole.

Sometimes I wonder. I like to think there are some intelligent people here but if you can't see publications like these for what they are, well I feel sorry for you. Example, do any of you remember the John Birch Society? Right wing mothers if there ever was one. Well world news daily thinks that JBS is right on time. Don't believe me, do a search on their site for John Birch Society, and you will find then defending them to all ends. It took me maybe 60 seconds to see this collaboration, which is why I did the search, just to see if my suspicions were accurate. They were.

Am afraid your reliance is based and biased on hearsay and speculation.

[eRock]

Well...MOST media is VERY slanted tryin' to shove any democratic party down our throats!

[candidpublishinginc]

Bad_dog I started in 96, and I make 8k a month just from SE traffic. That's more than what you can say that's for sure.

I've already posted my checks here before, so why don't you show me some proof of your sucess? Oh except for that piece of shit tgp submitter.

If you want to support the democratic party, fine that's your decision. But don't call other people morons because they don't. Speaking of morons, why were so many voters wanting to vote for Gore so confused with that ballet that was approved by the democratic party? Now the democratic party doesn't approve of that ballet? Odd. http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif IF it doesn't worth in their favor, they'll change their fuckin mind, what a bunch of hypocrits.

[QuietMike]

the edemocratic party didn't approve of it. The person that did approve it just happended to be a democrat. http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[candidpublishinginc]

Well I don't blame that person for approving it. That ballet was clear as day. I guess what the democratic party is trying to say is that the majority of democrats are idiots.

Of course Jesse Jackson has to chime in and call the ballet "racist to blacks and jews." What the hell is that??? How can a ballet be racist? Dare he suggest that blacks and jews are idiots? I sure hope not. I wonder if anyone else caught that. I thought it was a rather stupid thing of him to say.

[eRock]

The democratic DID so approve the ballot!!! You're wrong! Plus that same ballot has been used for years!

Jesse Jackson's nothin' but a race-bator!!!

[QuietMike]

I understand your view on Jessie Jackson. I really don't think he should be down there either. I think he is just trying to stir things up. All in all, with the stipulations of the ballot, it is deemed illegal. And I mean it must of been some what confusing because bucanan would of never of gotten that many votes and he said so himself live on t.v. Those extra votes where obviously not republican because that was the first hole to punch. 19,000 votes got thrown out (that has to say something just by itself)! That is enough to turn the election the other way. If it was the whole state that got those ballots, then they would do a revote. It should be the same no matter how big the population was that got the bad ballot. Every vote counts. If the partys were switched and the republicans wanted the revote, then I would feel the same way.

eRock: The democrat that approved the ballot did not belong to the democratic party (the part that was campaining) she was just simply a democrat (BIG DIFFERENCE). Yeah the ballot has been used before, BUT NEVER IN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION!!!! Not as many people vote if it is not presidential!!! Also, the ballots where legal pevious times.

[boneyard]

erock...thank you.nice to know someone here realizes that.

bad_dog

what does their political views have to do with it?
if it's true it's true no matter what they think.

and do you really think they redeployed thousands of people to the location of the cole just to work as rent a cops?...come on...i know your not really that gullable are you?i'm quite sure theres some but not enough to make a real big difference,not on the scale we're talking about here.
i doubt several thousand soldiers,all from florida,were redeployed there.

i look at altwernative news media(thats not left wing biased in plain english) for 1 reason mainly...they come out with stories earlier half the time and they tell the stories you wont see anywhere else unless it's just so big theres absolutely no way the "mainstream" press can sit on it and hide it.
why is it theres allways a knee jerk reaction when people find out a story comes from a place other than the washington or new youk press.where is it written that if it's not on tv it's not true?

abc,nbc,cbs,pbs,cnn,etc etc...they're all in the back pocket of washington.the gov controls what goes out on the air all the time.it's as simple as one question.."would you like to still have your fcc license tomorrow?"
any time i want to find out what the washington democrats think i only need to turn on the nightly news so dont give me this shit about how i need to find more middle of the road sources.i got em from the left and the right.

quiet mike
and who do you think those people are?...democrat activists...rent a mobs if you will http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
gore is trying to get a revote because he doesnt like the results...thats not how it works...
the only reason i can think of to qualify a revote that i could support is proof of vote tampering/censoring/editing/etc
and then you throw out the entire election nationwide(and kill the traitor that tampered.and yes i do actually belive that should qualify for an immediate death penalty.voting is central and essential to our freedom in this country.it is sacred),not just one state that's an issue of the day.all or nothing and only one reason for doing so..there is no middle ground.

also notice the flip flop that the clintons and gore did about the electorate?
last 2 elections they were all for it and defended it with all their might since thats how they won.now that gore might lose because of it hillary is making calls to get rid of it and saying she'll sponsor bills to that end....one word...hypocrit

as for buchannon...i think he's bucking for a spot in the democrat party.
he allready burned his bridges with the republicans and they dont want him back now.
he left the party and everyone pretty much forgot him.
the reform party isnt doing it for him.the press is pretty much ignoring him since he left the GOP.he only got something like .03% of the vote(not sure about that #,just a guess) with the reform party.
he's getting desperate for an attention fix right about now i think.

also about the conspiracy theory...it's just that...theory.but i do think it's plausable.
there was one tossed up by(i forget who) and i tossed up a couple alternative speculations.
but it's not that far fetched.it's totally plausable that someone like clinton/gore would do that...hell...every time clinton goes on trial for something we start bombing other countries.
i can say this is true...the usa has not launched any explosives from planes at targets in other countries since impeachment ended.says something about the personality and thought process of the man dont you think?

[richard]

Candid, i love it:

Dare he suggest that blacks and jews are idiots?

Dare i suggest the same thing about America as a whole?

Not on this board i won't http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Why the fuck not have one paper for the entire country? One style?

Over here in the UK, the satirical news programs are taking the piss big time, its very funny as an outsider looking in.

I bet you all $100 that next time there is a much bigger turn out of voters, because with a majority of 200 your votes really do count.

Rich.

[QuietMike]

Damn dude, I am tired about talking about all of this shit. I am not tring to write a god damn book here whenever someone makes a huge reply. All in all gore won the fucking popular vote, hmmmmmmmmmmm who do the people want??? Also, what difference does it make if we revote. We have till JANUARY (A LONG TIME TO SPARE!). If bush really won then a revote would not hurt him. He would still won. The only reason that I see for people not wanting a revote, is that they know he lost and don't want to live with it. I mean give it up already. Also, everyone can make up conspiracy theories, but the issue at hand is the ballot. It was illegal!!! I agree with richard, they should have one ballot for the whole damn country. All of this is happening in his brothers state. It seems that Bush's father, and brother are both idiots, so who wants to guess that it runs in the family!

[eRock]

Well...I've used that SAME ballot for a presidential election by me. It could have just been a similar one, so ya can't hold me to that (it's been 4 years!). But, isn't Gore's big campaign guy also from Florida!?

[baddog]

Jeez,

I think there have been a few facts mixed up and mis-represented here. The democratic party isn't initiating the idea of a re-vote, though today they have joined up with the citizens of Palm Beach that have demanded the revote on the basis that the ballot was confusing. What you have to realize is that in Florida the candidates are listed with the party that is governor being listed first for every position and then it is supposed to be followed by the other main party (ie: Republican gov, so all positions will have Rep candidates first and in theory the Democrat contender would be next. This wasn't done properly. A teacher at UCLA used the ballots on his students and had a high percentage of errors with them too, so not an intelligence issue. However, this isn't what the democrats have the problem with. There are different styles of ballots. Some have dots to be punched out, some have circles that need to be filled in with pencils. If the punched out type doesn't have the dot separated com[letely from the ballot, the counter tosses it. If on the color on with a pencil type is not filled in all the way or goes outside the circle, the counter tosses it. The Democrats want these counted by hand. What's the big deal?

Boneyard,

You are absolutely right. The articles referred to in that right wing paper implied that all these military personel were from Florida or something. That is bull. The point is, that some military personnel were deployed at a point in time that made it impossible for them to get any of their mail in a timely manner.

For the record, one Florida county pulled one percent of the ballots and Gore gained 19 votes. It can be mathematically presumed then that Gore would gain 1,900 votes from that one county. Also, Bush went to a US Federa; Court today to have the hand counting stopped, saying it was unconstitutional. They were shot down.

I have run for office as a VP for my local CWA. I would never deny my opponents request for a re-count. Unless I didn't think I had the votes they credited me with. I would think if Bush is so damned confident that he won in Florida, he would welcome with open arms any decision to hand-count the ballots that were kicked out for one reason or another. If someone voted for 2 people for the same office, trash it, but if just because the circle wasn't filled in solid and had an X instead or a push out dot was hanging on the ballot then they should be counted.

Now, I think Jesse Jackson is, nah I won't go there, but there were reports of Highway Patrol Officers blocking access to some polls to blacks. Anyone that does not think this can happen in the year 2000, is sadly mistaken. Also, if a revote were to be done, I am sure that only those that voted the first time would be allowed to vote the second time, and yes they know who voted.

Why doesn't Bush want to prove he won Florida, if in fact he did? I sure the hell would, and then say "In your face, Al" when I was proven to be the winner. It would be great. He'd be my boy for the duration of my Presidency.

[eRock]

Ah jeez! The Highway Patrol blocking black voters from the polls!?!?!? LOL...gimme a break! Is this Jesse Jackson stating this?

We have the butterfly ballot up here 7 there wasn't ANY confusion. The democrats DID initiate the idea of a re-vote, why would anyone else want a revote? I mean, the slanted, democratic media DID put this idea in everyone's heads...that has a LOT to do with it. But, Gore has already made this coiuntry a laughing stack cuz he's a sore looser! The rest of the world is laughing at us!!! If Gore were to become president, who in their right mind is EVER gonna take him seriously?

[baddog]

e rock,

Ya know, before I read your post I was going to come here and apologize to those that I described as morons for voting for Bush, as that wasn't really fair. Their candidate of choice is a moron to be sure, but I can give the benefit of the doubt to those voting for him as being uninformed voters. To most of them I do still offer that apology, however, I have a problem extending it to you with your most recent post.

To tell you the truth I have not listened to one thing Jascson has said, mainly because I can't understand a damn thing he says anyway. If you want to believe that there is no Jim Crow in the South, go ahead, ignorance is bliss.

The main thing you should try and get through your skull is that the term re-vote is an inaccurate description of what the democrats want. What they want counted are ballots that have yet to he counted because they were rejected by the machine that counts them because of chads not coming completely off of the ballot.

People that voted twice fucked up and no one wants to give them a "do-over" vote. Why do the Republicans have a problem with doing a hand recount of the ballots that were never counted? Just answer that question. There is only one reason they would have a problem with it, and that is because they know they will lose.

[eRock]

Well, I'm tired of typing, so I'm gonna keep this short. This could go on forever! I never expected any kinda apology, in fact I forgot all about that. but if you don't wanna apologize to me cuz my opinion is differen6t than yours, then so be it. I'm not gonna loose any sleep...

[chimp]

First and foremost, I think its clear that *I* am the retard for posting anything in this thread...anyway, here goes.

Military absentee voting has been a huge problem since the Military Overseas Voting Act (or something like that) was passed in 1986. This is NOT something new, and it is NOT some kind of conspiracy. It just so happens that the presidential vote hinges on these votes coming in this time, and so the whole thing is spotlighted. The oversea ballots either get lost in the mail, but most of the time they just were not requested early enough. They must be requested by whoever wants one, they don't just automatically go out. It is suggested that you request an absentee ballot early in the election year. Most people don't do this, so there is some confusion EVERY ELECTION YEAR and thousands of ballots never show up, or get lost going to or coming from the absentee voters. Simple as that. All this information is taken from a 1997 issue of 'Hands On' magazine, by and for the military.

Second of all, Gore asked for the first recount in forida. Bush then asked for the second, which was a bad idea because it closed the gap even further. Gore then asked for another. No one is innocent here, and its not that big of a deal. These are two scared frat boys who will do anything at this point to get the office. Personally, I think its hilarious that people are even in this much of a tizzy over two candidates that are this lame. If you think EITHER of these assholes is going chang anything in this country, for better or worse, I would have to disagree with you.

[QuietMike]

bad_dog, you are right. The democratic party wants a "hand re-count" because the machines could not read a lot of the ballots. The people that got the butterfly ballot (most of them), want a "re-vote" because a lot of them mistakenly voted for the wrong person(bucanan).

[richard]

There has to be some margin of error here, what about another machine count - that could come up with more Bush votes..

Hand count surely does have to be alot less accurate than machine no?

I agree that one reason he doesn't want a recount is because he looks like he is losing votes, but i agree with their line that you cannot keep counting until you get a good result.

We are still laughing at it all over here http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Rich.

[eRock]

I know...that's part of the prob, Rich. The US is the JOKE of the world!

Thank you, Gore....

[QuietMike]

Acctually, a hand count can be a lot more accurate. The mechines won't count a lot of the ballots even though you can distinguish who they voted for. Also, if you want to say that someone can fuck with the votes. Have multiple people do each pile. The first one does it, then the second checks it, the the third one checks it......as many down the line as you want. And have someone from each party suppervising the counting. Its seems like a pain in the ass but it would work. I mean we arent talking about doing this for the whole country.

[QuietMike]

I also don't understand why people are saying that if gore wins no one will respect him as president. Half of the country wants him to be president and half doesn't. No matter who gets elected, they are going to have a hard time. http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[eRock]

I was talkin' about the rest of the world, QuietMike. They already think of this as one big joke.

China will will always accept him tho...they like him.

[baddog]

e rock,

I don't know why you are not designated as a big jerk yet, because you definately fit that description in my eyes. How the fuck do you come up with how the rest of the world looks at us, or our democratic process. If anything I think they are looking at people like you and laughing about how unappreciative your type is with our system. They only wish they could have this type of debate going on, rather than have military personnel at every polling spot and UN armies there to oversee their 3rd or 4th attempt at their "free" election. If you don't like it, please don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

chimp,

You were going okay with your comments until you got into the subject of the recount. Florida state law REQUIRES that if there is less than one-half of one percent difference between the the two leaders in an election, THERE MUST BE A RECOUNT. This is not a partisan issue, it is state law. The Democrats want ballots that were not tallied due to chads hanging on the ballots or circles not colored in all the way included in the final result by doing them by hand. The Republicans don't want any hand count done. Why don't they want it done? Because they have already lost 1,100 votes and they know they will lose the election if they do. What other reason could they possibly have? Just one legitimate reason to not include them, any ideas?

Richard,

You are right, kind of. There is a 2% to 5% margin of error, when using the machines. It is more accurate when done by hand, it is just faster when done with the mechanical counters. You are also right that the error COULD go in favor of Bush, but so far it has not, and obviously they are not too confident about the error being in their favor as shown by their attempts to have the hand count suppressed.

[eRock]

OK, Bad_dog...as much as I'd LOVE to retaliate here...let's just call a truce. Like I said before, this could go on forever! You have one opinion & I respect your opinion. If you don't agree w/ me, that's fine...I'm not tryin' to change your mind, just disagreein' w/ what ya hafta say.

On the other hand, I Have another opinion...so let's just leave it at that. There's no reason to continue arguin', cuz it's NEVER gonna end. One of my best friends & I decided we'd never talk politics cuz it comes close to blows. So what's the point. No one's gonna budge. This isn't a board for politics.

[baddog]

erock,

Damn it all! Man, I love to argue and you want to agree to disagree? Okay, I guess I can go along with that. Besides, I know it would be impossible to try and justify the Republican stance of not counting the ballots that were kicked out. Especially since it came out that the same problem happened in Chicago (your hometown, I believe).

So, does this mean we shouldn't discuss religion, abortion, and the hunting of baby seals too? I will take your non-response as a yes so that this thread will end. See ya in four years. http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif