Stiffy Cash Notice, make sure you read!

[Ride]

I just logged in to check my Stiffy Cash stats and there is console stating new terms. I would really recommend that everyone who is promoting Stiffy Cash to login and read the console, they are going to start terminating accounts on the 21st. I guess there charge backs went through the roof. Can't say they won't be charged or use the winner java console. Hope this helps.


Ride

[Ride]

I meant to type. Advertisers can't say the surfer won't be charged or can't use the winner java console. =)

Ride
ICQ: 42015495

[The New Andy]

huh
it was just a question of time when would they do this
well... we gotta find something else ?

[basschick]

not time to replace them... at least, not yet! just don't tell the surfer he has won a free membership, and don't tell him he will never be billed.

joe was on the porncity board and we can still say free. go figure!

[Stiffy_Cash]

Greetings,

Joe here... All I am asking is that you DO NOT TELL THEM THERE WILL BE NO CHARGES. Or that the CREDIT CARD INFO is for AGE VERIFICATION... these are not true.

The Sites are FREE FOR LIFE. The FREE comes when they purchase a month to a companion site.

And the WINNER java... They did not win. They are BEING ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN A VERY SPECIAL OFFER YOU HAVE WITH LIVETEEN / SNATCHES / ACMEPORN....

Hope this clears things up...
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Thanks,
Joe
joe@stiffycash.com

[lynch1000s]

Hey Joe, I wondering what the current signup ratios are for your site cause I'm sending you lots of traffic but not getting any signups.


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Stiffy_Cash:
Greetings,

Joe here... All I am asking is that you DO NOT TELL THEM THERE WILL BE NO CHARGES. Or that the CREDIT CARD INFO is for AGE VERIFICATION... these are not true.

The Sites are FREE FOR LIFE. The FREE comes when they purchase a month to a companion site.

And the WINNER java... They did not win. They are BEING ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN A VERY SPECIAL OFFER YOU HAVE WITH LIVETEEN / SNATCHES / ACMEPORN....

Hope this clears things up...
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Thanks,
Joe
joe@stiffycash.com</font>

[Dan S]

Well,
atleast you other folks got a warning.

I just woke up and have seen my account terminated last week.

My December money is on hold for 90 (!) days after normal payout. Which is about $11k.

Same with January traffic. Maybe another $3k.


The case here is that Joe aproved several times the "winner script".
He kinda promoted stiffycash with the "do whatever it takes to sign them up attitude".

Now he just closed some big accounts to cover the stiffycash ass to ensure payouts to atleast some webmasters. Yeah, other accounts also did get closed.

I was paid 3 times the full amount by stiffycash. I was sure to recieve also my money for the 4th month with them.

I did send them MOST of my traffic for December, burnt alot of bandwith for these guys. Also half of January traffic was sent to them (seemed that the signup ratios almost doubled in january though ***hint***) only to see my account terminated without warning.

So far a trustfull partnership goes Joe.

I do not get my email answered nor I do get ICQ replies. Only so far good user support goes Joe.


Well, I wish you good luck with stiffycash...you will need it.

Last not least:
Accusing a webmaster of decieving ad practices while running one of the most (surfer)decieving webmaster programs don`t imho.
I hear you already asking:
"Why (surfer) decieving webmaster program"?

Answer:
You promote on your sites a Free Lifetime Membership, while selling the surfer a fully paid 1 month membership in your fine print.

Enough food to think about friends http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Dan


P.S.
I am always doing the same old newbie sins...
1. Put too much eggs in just one basket.
2. Trust people about money too much.
Tell me: when will I learn?

[Dan S]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Stiffy_Cash:

The Sites are FREE FOR LIFE. The FREE comes when they purchase a month to a companion site.
</font>

Hehe, I like the new definition of free http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[Mayor]

Dan S, you are a cheater, plain and simple.

You were not terminated for the "winner" shit you were teminated for saying the "you won't be billed a dime" Your account came to Joe's attention because your account had 10 times more chargebacks and refunds than any other account and was getting WORSE.

You should have been happy that you were going to get paid anything for that shit you pulled. I guess Joe too nice.

You also never read this:

"StiffyCash Inc. reserves the right to terminate the account of any affiliate who publicly posts derogatory and or slanderous statements about StiffyCash.com, StiffyCash Inc., its subsidiaries or officers. StiffyCash Inc. vigorously defends itself against false and slanderous statements. "


Dan S I would not expect to get paid now if I were you.

Conversion ratios
Folks, the conversion ratio for general banner traffic is 1:500 for exit traffic 1:1500 to 1:3000 depending on how many pops before the stiffy sites get popped http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

If you have questions, take them to Joe@stiffycash.com in EMAIL.

[Dan S]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mayor:
Dan S, you are a cheater, plain and simple.
Oh yeah, very simple to say mayor.


You were not terminated for the "winner" shit you were teminated for saying the "you won't be billed a dime"

Thats pulled out of context.
Exactly I said
You will never get billed for your LIFTIME FREE MEMBERSHIP at Live Teens.

Thats exactly what I have promoted.
A free lifetime membership to your liveteen membership site. Am a lying?
You tell them in the fine print that they get billed a full membership.

Now tell me what is a FREE LIFETIME MEMBERSHIP?
1. it`s a membership
2. it`s free (of charge right)?
3. its lifetime

I did exactly promote what you promote at liveteen.com a FREE lifetime membership.



You should have been happy that you were going to get paid anything for that shit you pulled. I guess Joe too nice.

Yes, I am always very happy to be paid for my work 3 month late.
But one thing is right. I enjoyed working together with Joe.
Unfortunately you are pulling shit here.

You also never read this:

"StiffyCash Inc. reserves the right to terminate the account of any affiliate who publicly posts derogatory and or slanderous statements about StiffyCash.com, StiffyCash Inc., its subsidiaries or officers. StiffyCash Inc. vigorously defends itself against false and slanderous statements. "


Be assured Mayor that I did read that.
Now go and tell me where did I make false andslanderous statements?


Dan S I would not expect to get paid now if I were you.


Now thats surprising me...
</font>


Dan

[Saddam Hussein]

Mayor,

You should pay the man. It sucks to send traffic for 1 & 1/2 months and then get canceled. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

That's why these things go public."StiffyCash Inc. reserves the right to terminate the account of any affiliate who publicly posts derogatory and or slanderous statements about StiffyCash.com, StiffyCash Inc., its subsidiaries or officers. StiffyCash Inc. vigorously defends itself against false and slanderous statements. "

Too bad this is not your board. Sometimes it is hard to get a response from a sponsor.

Just pay the man. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Rich]

All I can say is I signed up for stiffycash today... and just deleted everything I was planning to do with them...

It's not slander unless the statement is not true.. the statment was that he sent valid traffic and Stiffycash plans to not pay him... which has been publicly admitted to, hence no slander has occured.. and besides, I wonder what an attorney would have to say about any business entity trying to limit free speech.. That article of stiffycash's terms is bullshit, plain and simple... This is indicative of a company that has too much dirty laundry it doesn't want aired..

Just an opinion.. something we're all entitled too last I checked...

[Saddam Hussein]

I am not trying to slam Mayor or Stiffy_Cash....

I just think 1 & 1/2 months of sending traffic, and then cancellation is very bad. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

I guess the lesson here is to NEVER say anything bad about stiffy cash.

If you do, then you will not get your money. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

Too bad, because many post I read say stiffy is good about paying. This is a lame excuse, but all sponsors use it if they want to keep your money, your 1 & 1&2 months of traffic !!!

[Saddam Hussein]

Sorry about my bad grammer, fuck, what can I say??

[Mayor]

Listen folks it is not up to me if he gets paid or not. I am just stating my mind, I don't think he should.
Joe has ultimate say in this matter.
But, he HAS lied about why he was terminated. He was misrepresenting the program. He DID slander the program in public:

And I quote:
"Now he just closed some big accounts to cover the stiffycash ass to ensure payouts to atleast some webmasters. Yeah, other accounts also did get closed."
This statement is complete bullshit but hey what do you expect from a guy who got busted trying to rip off surfers.


The bottom line was Joe was/is going to pay him for sign-ups that don't refund/chargeback over the next 70 days. So the way the jerk repays Joe for his underdstanding is to lie about the program and try and make it sound like we are nuking his account to make payout. The reality is if we don't stop cheaters like Dan S we'll end up with a serious problem.

All we ask is that you don't post lies about us, don't cheat and you'll make a fortune. Not to much to ask.

And Saddam Hussein if you knew anything about the real world you would know that businesses restrict what you say all the time. Do you think your Mc Donalds manager would be happy if you were telling the customers that the beef was horse when it was not??

Use the program or don't it really doesn't matter much to me. But remember, ALL programs will terminate you for lying about them on a board or cheating.

[Mayor]

Also a lie:

Posted by Dan S in http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002666.html

"Please be careful with stiffycash.com
they are nice and all but they started terminating accounts with high chargeback + refund ratios."

We terminate people who cheat.

[bunnies]

Mayor,

i just would like to know if the checks for Dec. have been mailed out yet http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif. Thanks

Justin

[FATPad]

"This statement is complete bullshit but hey what do you expect from a guy who got busted trying to rip off surfers."

LOL. What is Liveteen all about? Ripping off surfers who expect their "free" membership.

[richard]

I don't know the gory details, but i'm of the opinion that Dan S is one of the good guys.

I know a lot of people who are dropping stiffycash now.

Another sponsor looking for reasons to boot webmasters?

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

[Xcom]

Good I hope more circle jerk scumbags dropout it just means more sales for me.

[StiffyCash Hater]

I'm posting this under another account and prefer to stay anonimous because I'm scared these motherfuckers won't pay me (they promised... fuck, who knows...) But I just need to warn you all fellow webmasters.
I got my account terminated without notice, they owe me over $10K. I worked my ass out to sell their memberships, i took down all my sponsors and was sending all my traffic from all my sites to Liveteen. After I asked what's the fuck they told me just the same shit they told everyone: that I was promoting liveteen as a site giving free memberships and that surfers would not be billed.
Now mayor is treating webmasters that they won't be paid if they post a bad word about his fucking company here. Haha, that's why I prefered to stay anonimous. Two month ago I was the first to say how good stiffycash was and how many signups I make with them. My god, how I was wrong...
Well guys, as you can see we have another big CHEATER: StiffyCash. This message must be in "Possible Cheaters: Confirmed". We thought they were here to make long-term money, now they proved they are here for a fast cash by ripping webmasters off. We have seen XPics. Some of us dealt with motherfucker Steve a year ago. Now we have another big cheating sponsor - Stiffycash. And they have a lot in common with Xpics - they rip off both surfers and webmasters.
Hey guys, I know what we can do. We have all heard about FTC suing xpics and respectful maximumcash - now I can't wait to see FTC suing Stiffycash and its sites for ripping surfers off.

[Due]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Xcom:
Good I hope more circle jerk scumbags dropout it just means more sales for me.</font>

What excactly do you mean by "circle jerk" scumbags?

[richard]

Due, morally, us CJers are bad people http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

we jerk the surfers off with blind links and no free porn, forcing them to pay for it...

...as opposed to the, quite simply, brilliant, model of a TGP; give them free porn, then ask very nicely whether they would now like to pay for it or not.

[Xcom]

StiffyCash Hater

If you got canned its because you are a cheater. Mayor and the guys at porncity have been running the most honest programs around.

I have been with them from the 4cents per click days with ctc and have NEVER had a problem with them because I don't fuck anyone over unlike some cheaters here.

Yes most of the people who run cj sites are not scumbags..However a lot of scumbags are on this bbs. Sorry for putting all of you into that catagory.
I find it funny that cheating scum seem to have a problem with some of the most honest programs on the net.

Do you expect us to believe that lensman, 12clicks and now mayor is screwing you over???? BULLSHIT! Your cheating and slander will not be tolerated.

[Due]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by richard:
Due, morally, us CJers are bad people http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

we jerk the surfers off with blind links and no free porn, forcing them to pay for it...

...as opposed to the, quite simply, brilliant, model of a TGP; give them free porn, then ask very nicely whether they would now like to pay for it or not.

</font>
Me? Bad Moral? NOOOO
http://www.killfrog.com/littlesusie/little.html http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[Xcom]

Sorry about that due&richard but I am tired of watching cheaters screw over some of the honest programs and then expecting to be paid.

It seems that they go from one honest program to another and don't even have the balls to post under their real nick.

[richard]

Xcom,

"alot of cheaters are here"

be a bit more specific please.
------

the "winner" thing has been on ALOT of other sites, i know exit programs that had it up, they get the boot too?

I hope everyone made a nice, quick, easy buck with Stiffy Cash. It is surely a matter of time before you get F(TC)ucked ?

Ah well, not paying people without a damn good excuse is always a good one to send your rep down the shitter.

just my opinion on it all.

[Xcom]

Well what I mean is that I am shure 1 or 2 maybe 5 people here are honest but most of the people here rip off sponsors then expect to be paid.

It seems like none has a problem with more sponsors then you guys. I wonder why???????

You go from one to the next and expect us to believe that your getting screwed.
Thats right every adult sponsor is fucking you over and its not really you who is cheating..HAHAHA yea right DICK!

[Due]

X-com&gt;
Please post here on the board who you belive is cheaters and who you think is honest!
It cannot be that difficult. 1500 users and 5 honest people?
BTW. Whan't a extra bag for that atitude of yours. Must be hard carrying it around. it's so BIG http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/eek.gif

[richard]

Xcom,

perhaps there are alot of people complaining on this board, becasue they don't get shouted down by brown nosed ass lickers that are present on some boards.

did i really just say that? oops.

[basschick]

Xcom - i have been the in adult internet business for over 4 years. in all that time, i have never - not once! - been accused of cheating or been not paid because of being suspected.

it may not be entirely my honesty - i am very lazy, and putting up lots of java to cheat someone seems much too much like work to me - but the fact remains that i have never cheated any program, and i'm quite sure i'm not the only one here who hasn't.

i like making money too much to fuck it up by cheating, and besides - i don't steal.

how would you know how many of us that use this board are cheaters? did 1495 of us email you and tell you so? your cynicism ain't facts, and perhaps you shouldn't act as if your own doubts are reality.

[Xcom]

If sticking up for a honest sponsor being attacked by cheaters is considered ass kissing then I am an ass kisser no doubt.

How about answering my question?
Why do you have more problems then any bbs site with good sponsors?
Like I said before do you expect people to believe that everyone else is a cheater and not you guys.
The first few times I believed some of you but now that you screwed over almost every good sponsor it got easy to see who was fucking who over.

Due. I would not want to miss some of the very few honest people who might not post much.

[basschick]

p.s. as far as going from one sponsor to another, we have been with babylon-x for over 2 1/2 years, with adultcheck and hpic for longer than that, and were the 7th to promote transvestiteteasers (who still send us checks).

and i have met a lot of other good people on this board that also have loooong time sponsors. including some who run some honest sponsor programs themselves.

[Xcom]

I don't expect to get an answer to my question because it would mean that you would have to admit that most people here cheat. This is my last post for a while as I got more important crap to do. I just wanted to pointout that every month people bitch about another honest sponsor after being caught cheating with another one and they had to move on.

[StiffyCash Hater]

Haha, we have a StiffyCash Lover here http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif Now show me in their rules a centence that says I can't promote liveteen.com as a free membership site.
How can you call a program ripping both surfers and webmasters off an honest? And sorry man I didn't get it - are you going to call Xpics an honest program?? About Steve: he didn't call anyone a cheater, he just didn't pay and made us waiting for a check - in vain - and was scaring anyone to death on this board that he wouldn't pay people who had balls to say aloud that he's a scumbag. I'm sick of all these "sponsors"!!
If you wanna say they stole my earned money because I was promoting their sites improperly, show us what site do you run so that we could learn how it is allowed to promote http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
PS: btw, I don't run cj sites and never did, my specialisation is tgps.

[Xcom]

I don't need to prove shit to you scumbag I am not the one who does not have the balls to post under their real nickname.

Why are you scared?????
Know that you are a known cheater?

Basschick I never said everyone was a cheater did I?

[Mayor]

StiffyCash Hater you are not very bright http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif There was only a couple of accounts nuked at stiffy over the last 3 months out of 4500 accounts. How hard will it be to find yours http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

bunnies, they were all mailed this week (over 1 million dollars sent to honest webmasters)

I think the reason Xcom said there are a lot of cheatrers is because when you search the "traders" forum for the word cheat you get "Displaying Topics 1 - 40 (200 total)" and I bet most of that is you guys cheating each other http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif Not to mention you have 2 forums dedicated to cheating each other.

No big deal, be honest, and you will always get paid. Cheat and you will always get caught.

[Dan S]

I would like to write it big and bold:
I enjoyed working together with Joe, he is a nice guy and we had some very good chats on ICQ.

What I surely hate is the threatening of a sponsor. Mayor if you read the terms again it says that stiffycash reserves the right to terminate the account because of ....
Well, my account is already terminated.
This has nothing to do with the payment stiffycash is owing me.

Threatening me obviosly is not working here.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mayor:


"Now he just closed some big accounts to cover the stiffycash ass to ensure payouts to atleast some webmasters. Yeah, other accounts also did get closed."

Thats my personal opinion.
From what I hear stiffycash is terminating big accounts between $10-20k owed.
The last one I talked to was almost owed $20k. And he was told to go home without ANY payment. That was 1 day before december checks go out.


The bottom line was Joe was/is going to pay him for sign-ups that don't refund/chargeback over the next 70 days. So the way the jerk repays Joe for his underdstanding is to lie about the program and try and make it sound like we are nuking his account to make payout. The reality is if we don't stop cheaters like Dan S we'll end up with a serious problem.

All I can say Mayor: grow up.
You really seem to be quite nervious, calling me a jerk and cheater. Thats not only threatening but slaming me in public big boy.
But again, it shows that you are under high preasure. I understand that. I did not lie, I did not cheat.


All we ask is that you don't post lies about us, don't cheat and you'll make a fortune. Not to much to ask.

And Saddam Hussein if you knew anything about the real world you would know that businesses restrict what you say all the time. Do you think your Mc Donalds manager would be happy if you were telling the customers that the beef was horse when it was not??

Use the program or don't it really doesn't matter much to me. But remember, ALL programs will terminate you for lying about them on a board or cheating.


Also a lie:

Posted by Dan S in http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002666.html

"Please be careful with stiffycash.com
they are nice and all but they started terminating accounts with high chargeback +
refund ratios."

We terminate people who cheat.

Mayor, better get your shit together before you go again and tell me I am a cheater or liar.

This is exactly what I used on my sales page:
"you can stay my personal VIP member at LIVE TEEN
for how long you ever want!
And you will never be charged a single cent for your FREE Lifetime VIP
Membership at LIVE TEEN"

-------------
This is a quote from the termination email:

Which is not true, as it says on the bottom of the liveteen site, the only
way they can get a LIFETIME VIP it to BUY at least one month of
PornTV.

At this time we are terminating your account on the grounds that you
misrepresented the program and your charge back and refunds are 10X higher
than the average reseller.
-------------

This one is a cut&paste from http://www.liveteen.com/ :
We are giving TOTALLY FREE LIFETIME VIP Passes !
HURRY, ONLY TILL MIDNIGHT 01/20/01!!

Click Here for your FREE LIFETIME VIP Pass!!!

The only difference is that you say also on your page:
"Your vip pass is FREE FOR LIFE with a one month membership to porntv.com at
the regular rate of thirty four sixty one a month"

in the smallest font size there is at liveteen.com

Let me explain again why I am disappointed:
If my wording on my sales page didn`t suit you. Why not contacting me in time
and work with me on the wording. Maybe in time means the time when you noticed a high
chargeback ratio.
But what you did was letting me collect as much signups as possible until payday is
very near and than just terminated the account.

Thats the thing thats bugging me.

</font>


Dan

[StiffyCash Hater]

xcom,
I've been in this business since 1996, and I have NEVER ever been accused in cheating! My sites get over 300 thousands hits a day in total, and be sure I make enough to stick to the sponsors' rules and not to risk everything in hope to make an extra couple of hundreds bucks.

Fellow webmasters,
Let your surfers ripped off by stiffy file a complaint to FTC, put the following link on your sites:
https://rn.ftc.gov/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01

[Dan S]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mayor:


I think the reason Xcom said there are a lot of cheatrers is because when you search the "traders" forum for the word cheat you get "Displaying Topics 1 - 40 (200 total)" and I bet most of that is you guys cheating each other http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif Not to mention you have 2 forums dedicated to cheating each other.

You mis-interpreted this one mayor.
The 2 cheater forums are dedicated to protect us, the honest traffic traders from beeing cheated. And it works fairly well.


No big deal, be honest, and you will always get paid. Cheat and you will always get caught.


I just remembered where I got my wording from Mayor. It`s Liveteen.com`s join page, that one where you have to enter your CC info.
Quote:
YOUR LIVETEEN.COM PASS WILL ALWAYS BE FREE FOR LIFE and you will NEVER pay for LIVETEEN.COM!!!

Thats in bold letters within the fine print.
</font>

Dan

[richard]

Xcom/Mayor.

I am sure if i goto PC, and search for, *picking a word out of the air now), "fucker" i will get alot of results, does that mean that there are alot of fuckers on that board?

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif i just searched the PC general chat board, and it came up also with 1-40, 200 pages in total for the word "cheat" - coincidence or what?

This is not a board for cheaters. The fact that alot of traffic is traded by alot of sites, and that it is done with software rather than hard link trades makes a CJ site, like a topsite, more open to attack from traffic cheats. Hence, there is alot of talk about cheats, how to prevent them, who they are, etc.

As far as sponsor cheating is concerned, i think thats a little silly. Perhaps with exit traffic there is a valid correlation with CJ sites - exit traffic is shit quality at the best of times, esp with a million other consoles, so ratios will be absolute shite - thats the only trouble that i can think of (exit sponsors, amsterdam hardcore as an exit).


I totally see why Dan is peeved, and you have not given a full and in my opinion acceptable explanation as to why you are not going to pay him his money.

but then hey, its none of my business.

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Mayor]

Dan, why would risk payment by posting lies? I think you had a pretty fair offer. Stop using the program and get paid. Instead you go into a public forum and make blanket accusations about us. Then I am an asshole for telling people you are full of shit?

Oh yea the other part of that paragraph you left out.
"Your LiveTeen.com Membership is FREE FOR LIFE with the purchase of one month of porntv.com access at the regular price of $34.61. Even if you cancel your membership to porntv.com your LiveTeen.com membership will remain active and FREE for LIFE. Your porntv.com membership will be billed at the regular rate to the card you provide, until you cancel it, however YOUR LIVETEEN.COM PASS WILL ALWAYS BE FREE FOR LIFE and you will NEVER pay for LIVETEEN.COM!!! "

Big difference to "you won and will never be billed anything"

There are lots of other programs out there. If you have a hard time with rules, just use a blind link program or start your own paysite.
We gave you the benifit of the doubt and this is how you repay us. Not very smart.

Well I think this can't really go any further. At this point we are just pissing in the wind. If you have more questions email joe and he will take care of you.

[StiffyCash Hater]

Poor foreign webmasters... imaging them waiting for their checks for 4 months (90 days + 1 delivery month) sending signups and promoting liveteen like crazies, before finding out that stiffy called them "cheaters"... That's such a "sponsors" who give this industry a bad reputation.

[Dan S]

Mayor,
I am not posting lies. I am posting facts.
I did not start the pissing match. You did that. I didnt call you a cheater or liar, you did that.

I did not say "you won and will never be billed anything"

Exactly I did say:
"And you will never be charged a single cent for your FREE Lifetime VIP Membership at LIVE TEEN"

thats exactly like it is.
the surfer won`t be billed for his LiveTeen Membership, but for a full paid month membership for porntv.


You call me a cheater on what ground?

[Mayor]

99% of the cheat post on porncity are from 12clicks http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif I suppose that could be tru here too. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

One thing I suggest to anyone who uses ANY program is that you contact the sponsor about using ads that are not "standard" and get email approval for the context. Then you are really covered. In dan's case we gave him the benifit of the doubt. I don't think he tried to cheat but the result was the same, a 20% CB/Refund rate instead of a 1.6% rate.

As I said, before Dan may still get paid. His account was nuked WITH pay. We simply didn't want him using the program. He only risked his pay when he went to a public board and posted lies and slander.
Would you want to pay someone who tells people lies about you? Kind of counter productive to reward that behavior.

[Mayor]

Facts dan http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Posted by Dan

"Now he just closed some big accounts to cover the stiffycash ass to ensure payouts to atleast some webmasters. Yeah, other accounts also did get closed.

Thats my personal opinion."


Your opinion is now fact hehehe http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

My opinion is that earth is flat. Is that a fact now http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[Mayor]

StiffyCash Hater
We actually prefer to wire forign webmasters because it is so hard to get checks to them.
One guy last month we had to fedEX (our cost) because his wire would not go thru had to drive to another country in europe because fedEX screwed up.
The idea behind the waiting period is to establish honest webmasters and move them to monthly payout after they proove honest. Dishonest people will never use a program that makes you wait that long because they will get caught for sure. I am not a forign hater like many programs, hell I lived on almost every continent and was born in Asutralia. I just have to make sure we don't get ripped. Same thing other programs do, we are just up front about it.

[Dan S]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mayor:


One thing I suggest to anyone who uses ANY program is that you contact the sponsor about using ads that are not "standard" and get email approval for the context. Then you are really covered. In dan's case we gave him the benifit of the doubt. I don't think he tried to cheat but the result was the same, a 20% CB/Refund rate instead of a 1.6% rate.
</font>

I totally agree with that Mayor. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
It is not really difficult to get along with me. And thats a fair summary of what happend http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Dan

[StiffyCash Hater]

hehe, he's hinting again that you won't get paid if you post anything bad about his program. We've all seen this a year ago. Mayor, isn't your name Steve? http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif At least you learned well how to threaten webmasters - you've got A.

[Mayor]

One thing that people can never claim is that we are hard to get a hold of. I have had MY cell number posted at the bottom of the porncity bbs for 3 years now. We have our office number/email listed on stiffycash.com.
I am reasonable, I just don't deal well with people we try and work with posting lies.

We are not perfect, but at least you can call us and tell us what you think.

[Dan S]

Mayor,

yep, you are right on the last quote.
That one was not well thought out.
It was an assumption and my personal opinion.
And my opinions are not equal to facts. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Dan

[playa]

imho mayor i think its a real gray area with in the rules to call dan a cheater and i think you should give a dan s a benefit of doubt.....

you might not know dan s well but he is well respected webmaster in the community....

for XCOM i think you are really generalizing about this board being nothing but Circle Jerk webmasters and saying their a bunch of cheaters....the reality is the Biggest and smartest webmasters post here everyday...

i don't know if you seen this
http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ucj/
Guess who uses the UCJ script...hey not all of them are circle jerks..

you think someone would spend 1200 on a script without reading this board first...

[Mayor]

Dan, I'll even go one step further and say this:
I was most definatly wrong calling you a cheater. You made a mistake and we tried to work with you. I really do get worked up when I read things like you posted especially after we wanted to pay you still. From my perspective it was a huge slap in the face to someone that was trying to treat you fairly and with respect.


Stiffy hater, those terms about posting slander in public forums is standard in almost every program. When you spend thousands a month to advertise one lie in a post can set you back quite a few thousand advertising dollars. You would (and do) defend yourself, why souldn't we?

[Mayor]

Weird, stiffy cash is on it's way to the biggest day ever. Now I think I know why Brad Shaw always pisses on netpond http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

By the way I am actually a huge closet fan of good CJ sites. We learned a trick from them that we are testing on snatches (with HUGE success)
Check out when you leave this page (it takes 100 seconds)
http://www.snatches.com/usa.html? (yes the webmaster gets the sale)

[Due]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mayor:
Weird, stiffy cash is on it's way to the biggest day ever. Now I think I know why Brad Shaw always pisses on netpond http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

By the way I am actually a huge closet fan of good CJ sites. We learned a trick from them that we are testing on snatches (with HUGE success)
Check out when you leave this page (it takes 100 seconds)
http://www.snatches.com/usa.html? (yes the webmaster gets the sale)</font>

HAHA you stole my idea http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif
http://www.freedildosex.com/sex.html

[Dan S]

Ok Mayor,
fair enough.

I was not right to post that.

Like you stated earlier...I am not perfect either. Thats just a human speciality http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

I am preparing for the party now http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Dan

[magnatique]

First off, the reason I think most people think the Traders board is full of cheaters is easy....

1- because we deal with lots of crappy traffic, sponsors are not used to see so low conversion, hence believe we are all cheating

2- since it's script based, there's place for people to cheat, and the free scripts makes it easy to cheat..

Now, most people are honest people here... Most run both CJs and other sites, and never cheated once...

the only thing I find happens a lot here is since we let people say anything about the sponsors, and since this board is not run by someone who owns a big program, the majority of people feel at ease to say what they think of sponsors....

if I take PornCity for exemple... less likely to see someone say what he feels about Stiffycash, the guy who runs the program is the one that provides the message board, hence there's a sense of "community" and they tend to protect them... same for places where the big guys hang out sometimes, people will tend to protect these programs, in hope that the big guys will lower the Gillette Switch for them http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Now, that can be good, but also bad.... See, I'm always trying to figure out everything with my sponsors at first.. then, if I see no issue, I'll warn the people, or try to get an answer there.... but sometimes, people go too fast to the boards...


Finally mayor, I believe you run both a good board, and good place.... But just don't put everyone in the same basket man.. that's just not right... some cheat, but mostly everyone doesn't.... just check the posts here... everytime someone is believed to cheat the sponsors, he gets blasted as well... me and Rich also try to close/delete anything that's not relevant to both sponsors/users... It's just a different atmosphere than somewhere else, but it's still wrong to classify everyone on the cheater's side...

Say, if I don't like 12clicks for stuff he did to a buddy of mine, I'm not gonna go slander the board where he got fucked over, or 12clicks' program, or the guy's that support him... it's just not right IMHO....

and I won't even comment about the guy, as it was not concerning me http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif anyways, just trying to make a point hehe...

Oh, Finally... stiffycashHater.... this is really not helping you doing that... I know for one, if I get a guy posting slander/ insults or critisizing my program.... I won't like it, but I'll fight him off with arguments and proofs.... if the guy really is a dickhead, for sure I'm not gonna pay that slander... but if the guy has good arguments, and I find I was maybe wrong, there's a chance I'll reconsider the guy...

But when someone just go annonymous, hell... I'm not even gonna bother with the guy... and believe me, it's easy to find who anons are...

especially when you say stuff like over 10K$ (not a lot of webmasters doing over that) plus saying you got booted soon...

And finally, I believe they can track IPs when webmasters sign up, or whatever... we get all Ips, if we're asked for them, we give them away... we're there both for sponsors and users..


Long ass post, but it's what I feel LOL

Magnatique

[Mayor]

I actually know who this stiffy hater is now http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
They posted on nutpond's board and left a nice big IP http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

http://wwp.icq.com/58977101
According to their IP and ICQ profile they are in Belarus which strange because we never allowed webmasters from there until this week. So either they were using a relay person to get their checks or they are just here to stir shit up.

Either way, calling me a jerk or asshole is fine. I take here as well as on my own board. hell sometimes I am a big asshole. But I am always fair if nothing else.

I just like to know who I am dealing with. Why hide unless you are guilty of something?


By the way, if you take the time to read the whole long drawn out thread you will see that both Dan and I admitted where we were out of line and worked it out. We were able to do that because we both knew who each other was, even if we had never talked before.

[stiffycash_hater]

Magnatique,
All i said was true. I told everyone what stiffy did for me and gave my thoughts on it. If you ask me why I posted anonimously - well, I learned the lesson. Last year several "sponsors" (exit sponsors, dialers) ripped people off. But they promised everyone: hey, you'll be paid! just keep sending your traffic, generating signups and minutes. Those who had the balls to say aloud that they were scumbags got a simple answer: you personally won't be paid, cause i don't like the thuth you said about me. After all they ripped off everyone. We've all seen this.
What I'm trying to say is that you can give them my ip, I reconsiled myself to loose these money, but what you'll do by this is help those new-to-come cheating sponsors. Another guy will come and promise everyone 1 cent for an exit hit or $60 for a free membership, everyone will start sending him traffic, and when after two months he'll terminate some accounts for he-only-knows-what reason but will promise to pay everyone! And will threaten not to pay those who will accuse him in cheating. And everyone will be scared to death to post anything even anonimously because you can give their ips... And the guy will take the money, and another "sponsor" will come, and so on and so on.
Please think on it...

[magnatique]

mayor, yeah, I read... just gave my opinion on this hehe

hater
thing is, I am impartial in these situations that don't concern me...

so from the outside, I see a sponsor defending himself, and a guy posting anonymously, possibly harming the sponsor...

that IS what I see..

if I'm asked to help the sponsor by giving an IP, well, it is my job to do so to protect himself, as well as I'd check the IP for a user who thinks someone posting anon is harming him!

just saying it won't do you no good to post anonymously...

first you go on 1-1, and if you think you are right, and they are wrong, and they told you they won't pay, no more talking, then go ahead and blast them if you want!

[stiffycash_hater]

Mag,
I did! they told me to wait for three months... hehe, I worked once with an exit guy who promised to pay after two months... i was sitting quietly waiting for the check, and he was stealing other people's money at that time... no need to say he didn't pay.
Thanks, not this time.

[stiffycash_hater]

Mayor,
this belarus girl Natallia Simurava will be very surprised to find out that you owe her $10K... I'm neither her nor do I know her.

[Mayor]

stiffycash_hater, we have been running programs for over 3 years. Unlike steve (who ripped me off as well as almost everyone on the planet) I have a history of paying. I have my cell phone listed on our bbs. I respond to people. The reason you are being asked to wait is so that we can determin if the members you sent were real members or credit generated card numbers or people you said would not ever see any charge on their bill.

Same policy ALL major per sign-up programs use when an account is in question. That way we are giving you the benifit of the doubt.

Why would I take one month of sales from a webmaster when I can make many times that by paying them for years (as I have)
Look when liveteen.com was registered
http://www.betterwhois.com/bwhois.cgi?domain=liveteen.com&x=0&y=0

We have had programs since even earlier.

My point is, we have always been here and always answered webmasters. Not the kind of behavior you would expect if we were shady

[Mayor]

proxy user eh?

[stiffycash_hater]

Well, I know you was one of the first (if not the first one) to offer free adult hosting. Yes, I remember the opening of your MayorsMoney program. But it seems to me it wasn't SO popular as it is now after you started utilising "free lifetimes", right? What makes me angry is that you terminated my account without notice, without even letting me know that i was doing something wrong. What makes me very angry is that you did this before the scheduled payment, that you let me sending you signups and then just took my earned money. As well as money of several other big webmasters. I was said that I'll be paid for members that will stay after three months, because I was promoting your sites as "absolutely free memberships". Hey man, you are the first to know that 90% of people cancel their paysite membership after two-three months! I guess your cancellation rate is much more because they don't expect to be billed, they expect to get a promised free lifetime membership. So even you pay anything it will be ten, if not twenty times less. Anyone thinks it's fair?

[basschick]

mayor - is dan s going to be paid? it was a weird situation and perhaps no one dealt with it well, but since he did send the hits that made all those signups, do you suppose he and joe can get together and he can still get paid?

by the way, those new fresh girls on snatches are hot. did they improve sales at all?

[harvey]

Now I don't give a fuck about this matter since on one point there's something true: Not all webmasters at this forum are cheaters, but there are quite a lot, and not very surprisingly, they rare their ugly heads out of CJ sites.

On the other hand, read this mail Stiffy Cash sent to non US webmasters

............................................
STIFFYCASH.COM
Foreign webmaster program

Due to the high demand by foreign webmasters,
StiffyCash is happy to announce we are creating a
opportunity that will allow the tremendous amount
of honest foreign webmasters to participate while
protecting the programs integrity.

New and existing webmasters outside of the
accepted list of countries will be paid 90 days from
the ending of pay period. This time period allows us
to monitor the accounts for fraudulent activity and also
is the only means we have to allow the honest
webmasters outside of our list of pre approved countries
to participate in the StiffyCash webmasters program.

All accounts will be monitored with the same criteria.

Current foreign webmasters in the StiffyCash program
will be paid on the normal pay schedule for all sales
through December 31st 2000. Current webmasters in
the StiffyCash program can then continue to use the
program but will follow the new foreign webmaster pay
schedule. We will have a separate join form in the
Sign-up section of the program for new webmasters that
will have all of this information also.

All of the other terms and conditions still apply to these
new accounts so please be sure to read them and please
ask if you ever have a question.


Thank you all,

Joseph Bergman
Director of Pay site Management
joe@stiffycash.com
............................................

Yes, if you are not from US, they will hmm... "monitor" your account and in the meanwhile you'll have to pray to be paid... 120 days after you start promoting! Do they send you the interests or something? I don't think so!
Will they pay for your server? Naaah...
In conclusion: Everybody knows most cheaters are from Russia and... USA! Then, coming from one of the top cheaters country it doesn't look very serious not to trust other countries, but at the same time, it explains the paranoia most USA sponsor programs feel, kinda "do what I say, don't do what I do"

btw, how comes that a program not accepting a shitload of other countries suddenly changes its mind? Just wondering...

Peace

HArvey

[Mayor]

I think I know which account you are, because there was only 3 accounts suspended in the last month or two and only one was around 10K.

You were to be paid for all members that don't refund or chargeback. Any member that joins and cancels you would still be paid for. Hell, they can cancel the same day and you would still get paid. Many surfers actually do that so they only pay for one month and get liveteen for ever.

Mayors Money was bigger than stiffy cash is now until epoch started paying later and later. There is about 200 people that still get recurring checks tho http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

I tell you this much though, when an account gets a complaints from a customer and we see that they are misrepresenting the program we don't wait to see if that site can generate more complaints and eventually a serious legal problem for us. We stop people from signing up under that account that instant and we email the webmaster. That is what we HAVE to do legally.

Imagine me saying to a judge: "I had to let those people get ripped off because the webmaster didn't have enough warning"


With this all in mind, why don't you email me and perhaps I can put your mind at ease and you can stop posting BS on all the boards. Fair enough?

[Mayor]

HArvey, if you live in the USA or a few other countries we can take action against you for fraud. There is the same persentage of cheaters everywhere. At least if they are here I can take them to court. If you live in Brazil and rip us off we are simply screwed.

We put accounts on hold till they have a few months of good history then we move them to monthly payouts. It is kind of like webmaster credit ratings. If you send me your contact from another well known program and they say you are golden, well, chances are you'll be STARTED on monthly payments.

On day when it is your ass on the line you'll think different. Until then, choose a sponsor that makes you happy.

[Mayor]

basschick, Joe always intended to pay him. it wasn't until he was making. At this point he needs to email me or Joe to work the details out.

The girls AND the delay pop took the average ratio from 1:500 to 1:300 today.

[Mayor]

Any other questions feel free to email joe.

[Mayor]

I saw I left out 1/2 a sentance http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

It wasn't till he was making wild claims about our company and policies that I blew up. Any way, he said he was sorry so that made it all better for me.

[stiffycash_hater]

Some time ago I was working with Intergal promoting their free membership sites. They DID email me that my chargeback ratio was higher than average, and suggested a slight change in the way I was presenting their sites. All the problems were solved together and we had quite a long and successful partnership.
You just terminated the account without any notice and in the first message we had from you on this topic you called us cheaters. What a nice attitude to people who make you money.

[magnatique]

looks like they explained, and Dan is gonna talk about his issue with joe....

anybody got anything else to say, before I close the topic...

[richard]

yep http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Credit goes to Mayor for sorting this out, in the end in a v. professional manner. I hope you have not had too much of a blow to the accounts with this thread.

Use Stiffy Cash like any other sponsor - in moderation. The more money you are owed, the more likely a sponsor is to look for the most obscure reasons to cancel your account - not that this was the case here ( http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif) but that it is something for everyone to take into consideration.

Good luck with your use of Stiffy Cash.

Richard.

[magnatique]

case closed.

(If you think I should not have closed this topic and wanna discuss it with me, please feel free to e-mail me at magnatique@icare.com http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/tongue.gif)

[harvey]

Hey, Stiffy_Hater, seems that you were the only one who got a check from Intergal! I never knew of anyone in any country! How did you do that? Do they exist yet? They owed me like $15,000 and I wasn't even banned, they told me they had sent payments by snail mail and they were lost somewhere, then after several month they told me they sent it on wire transfer and they lost it too! So they "re-sent" the wire and it was directed to another dimension and finally they simply ignored me! You're damn lucky!!!!