How much money do you make

[lynch1000s]

Hi, I know this is none of my business, but how much money do you make compared to the traffic you receive. I currently try to use as many sponsors that don't require credit cards, and don't charge the surfer, but would I be better off just trying click through programs, or signups?

[Doctor Dre]

Depends of your traffic =p

[ragnar]

enough to eat

haha

[Moriarty]

It varies quite a lot. Typically about 10 or 20 cents. One month last year I made 50 cents and bought a coke to celebrate.

[Rich]

You can go two ways, tons of traffic for a small margin (which can pay you nicely if you can get the traffic) or high quality small amounts, which usually can make you more per signup.. it depends on your level of drive and marketing savvy as to which way you should go.. only you can figure it out.. The best advice is to experiment your ass off and if you find something that makes you money.. duplicate the shit out of it..

Rich

[Mogul]

I am sorry that is confidential.

What are you, an IRS agent?

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[playa]

i make enough money to buy a 6 pack of beer every week......

[shane94]

Damn playa I wish I made enough for a six pack!! All i can afford is one can ): hehe
In vite me over and I will help you drink it (=

[Due]

Over the past 6 months I have been saving my ass. And finally today I manage to raise enough funds to buy a bottle of red wine http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
Had to walk home though since I could not afford using my bycicle http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif
The red wine will be saved for some important date like my wedding or some other big event http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[lynch1000s]

Well since no one's really willing to respond, I'm only making about 5 dollars, not even per 1000 visitors, please add what you make on a similar scale.


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Due:
Over the past 6 months I have been saving my ass. And finally today I manage to raise enough funds to buy a bottle of red wine http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
Had to walk home though since I could not afford using my bycicle http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif
The red wine will be saved for some important date like my wedding or some other big event http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif</font>

[AzteK]

I NEED MONEY TO FEED MY DOG please donate money to http://www.internationalBUMcenter.com


Thanks

[mukoh]

damm dude, you make enough for a 6 pack? hmmm someday i will get to that, now i can only get a 3 pack.

[Rod]

Just got an OH! Henry chocolate bar...it's a 2 years saving http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[AzteK]

I NEED MONEY TO FEED MY DOG please donate money to http://www.internationalBUMcenter.com


Thanks

[TwinTone]

Money I make? I pay out more then I make.. so about -40.00

Must like my job huh?

hehe

[shane94]

I finally saved enough money to buy a gum ball....but i lost it because my pants had a whole in it....should have bought a patch for my pants...will do that next month if i save enogh money ):

[quotealex]

lets put this way. KEEP YOUR DAY JOB.

[Cyber-Fantasy]

I make less than $1,000,000

not going to tell you how much less


Muhhaha!

[Saddam Hussein]

You mean to say that you don't make anything??

Shit http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

[lynch1000s]

oh well I receive 20k to 25k a day, and I've still have lost 2000 dollars since I started in the adult market. Anyways, I was just wondering how much I could potentially start making, and what programs work best???

Anyone willing to help?

[AzteK]

Come one guys be nice now...

Hit me up on ICQ # 96654832

AzteK

[AzteK]

I cnt spll he he

[DemonWolfe]

Damn, anyone want to goe halfs on a 12pack of schmidt? http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif


Seriously, if you are starting a tgp or cj site and you expect to get rich in a couple months, you better be ready for a big slap of reality.

Someone askes me at least once a week what my advice for them is (opening a new TGP site) and I always tell them the same thing: Don't do it.

Seriously, I wouldn't want to start out now... There are many ways to make $$, and having a small TGP is not one of them. There are too many TGP's out there now, and too much competition to make starting out worth your while. Hell, you would make more money creating gallery pages IMHO.

Still, it beats the real world where people work companieds for 2 years before they are out of the red! OWCH!

[nastradamus]

I think that the best way is to count your!! money in your own pocket.What's about me...I live in Russia and i make mad money..Cause good pay per month in my country is 300$.. And all of you (i think) can imagine how much you can make in the adalt if you didn't change your ass and head with place..

Love you all
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[lynch1000s]

Demonwolfe, I've been to your site quite a few times. Just wondering, when did you start out?

[eRock]

I'm just BARELY making enough to cover my crack & heroin habit. Maybe someday...if I work hard...I can start on the good shit! http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[AzteK]

LMAO!!!!

[Scar]

Let's make it serious people.
For just once in a history of all boards.
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As I see it. I WONT SAY IT IS TRUE. BECAUSE PEOPLE AS YOU ALL SEE DONT REALLY LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT SUCH THINGS.
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Per month:
Scale where the last number is difficult to gain ,first is relatively easy.

1/Newbie - somewhere from 300$ up to 1000$.
2/Experienced , got lots of good free sites and some traffic generators of their own -
from 1000$ up to 5-7000$ per month when working a lot and got A LOT of such shit.
3/Experienced in pure traffic making (like got huge toplists or CJs)
Somewhere about 10K$ more or less.
4/Small paysite - sales from 5-7K$ per month of which billings deduct a lot.
5/Good paysite possibly with mirror paysites (like different names for same content)- sales from 15-17K$ per month more or less easily but spends a lot on content, some on advertisers , hosts and alike. I.E. gives much but takes much too.
6/Serious people (serious known stuff) - sales easily over 50 000$ per period (so over 100K per month). Spends a lot on advertisers and on everything.
7/VERY serious people - first names in adult biz. Sale simply a lot per period and are already a really big companies and are out of question here probably.

Also there are NAMES which probably also make a lot - Hun for instance.

Thats how I see it.

[Scar]

The problem with this industry as I see it is that mass media cries on a daily basis how many millions of bucks are in.
As much as they do it - so much new people come in and everyone tries to become rich, which of course wont happen.
It just makes too much competition.

Imagine if this was real world? What would You say of a shop where only one of 800 would buy anything and that was considered NORMAL?

So people dont usually make millions here.

On the other hand this is internet. It is very very hard to check anything in internet.
Anyone can come in to this disscussion right now and say that's he's making a million of dollars monthly, got two ferraris, fifty five models-girlfriends a decent small skyscraper and a fucking airplane.

(dont laugh, I actually knew people who had no problems at all telling me such stuff in ICQ and most of You all saw another discussion here among russians and probably get an idea of what I mean)...

What will happen next, let's suppose someone says the above, is that newbies MAY actually beleive it one way or another and experienced webmasters who actually know a lot and know EXACTLY how much one can make will NOT post anything because they care about their image and about images of their projects so they cant easily say - NO YOU DONT MAKE A MILLION BECAUSE I DONT.

On the other hand I dont know if it's bad or not. Because I dont know what is there so bad that a newbie can actually gain the needed experience and gather like 5000$ per month after couple of monthes of work.
Taking in to consideration the fact that most are quite Young I beleive and that most of time experienced folk dont do that hard things I beleive it's very good...

[TheUnknownWebmaster]

I got my first website in 1995.

By 1996 I had one domain, one paysite, no freesites, and was working at it part time I averaged about $5000 per month, all from memberships. I only had my index page listed in the search engines and got 1500 visitors and 5 or 6 signups per day at $24.95. My expenses were 1 dedicated server at $500 per month.

By 1998 I had three domains, three paysites, a handful of freesites and was still working at it part time. I averaged about $10,000 per month, 98% from memberships. I had hundreds of doorway pages in the search engines, got 5000 visitors per day but still got 5 or 6 signups per day. Still only had 1 dedicated server.

So in 1999 I quit my day job and started doing this full time.

By 2000 I had 30 domains, 5 paysites, many many free sites, thousands of pages in the search engines, have 2 dedicated servers at about $1000 a month and was working at it 12 hours per day. I got 9,000 visitors per day to my freesites but only got 1 or 2 trial signups per day at $3.95 trial through to my pay sites most of which cancel before converting to $29.95, plus a couple signups a day to sponsors at $35. I averaged about $5000 per month ($3000 from memberships/$2000 from referrals).

January 2001 looks like it will be a $4000 month. Membership base is shrinking, and signup ratios are going up.

Notice the trend. I am growing everything, more domains, more paysites, more freesites, more servers, more traffic -- but not faster enough to grow the income. Income grew every month until it peaked in Summer of 1998 and has been decreasing since then.

The only reason my paysites make any money is because I am still billing members that signed up 3 or 4 years ago.

The only reason I have traffic is because I have doorway pages in the search engines from
2 or 3 years that send tons of traffic.

I think I just convinced myself to go back to working at a day job.

[lynch1000s]

damn, I make no profits on my adult web site that receives 20 k a day. Oh well, I should have invested in a pay site. Anyways, how the heck do you receive so much traffic from search enines?

[lynch1000s]

Also, to the unknown webmaster. The reason why your site isn't expanding is because your trying to do everything yourself, which you just can't do. Anyways, I know a webmaster who runs 4 pay sites, and earns in excess to a million a year. But that's because he runs affiliate programs that pay out 50 dollars a sign up. According to him, even if you offer 250 dollars a sign up, chances are you'll still earn a good amount of profit.

[lynch1000s]

And what am I doing wrong, I mean I do receive a lot of traffic. How are you even making money??? That's all I want to know.

[Saddam Hussein]

Scar....What are you talking about man??

Models, skyscrapers, airplanes.

Sorry dude, but these things are not for the average adult webmster http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

[Scar]

Man!
I will make you alive right now!
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Because the story is sad in a way.
4K$ doesnt worth it in my point of view (though I have no idea at what You want).

Ok, from what You have said - You made some mistakes from my point of view.

1. Your paysites should be first tuned to normal signup ratio.
You see, with paysites , if You want to prosper, You dont need really AWESOME ratio. I will explain a bit later. What You need is just more or less same ratio like other known names have (maxcash sites or alike).

To tune a paysite what You should do is send traffic and at the same time change the preview a bit by bit. Thus You will know what will raise a bit signup ratio.

2. To run paysites You got to have team. At least an artist and an admin. You wont be able to survive without them if You do it seriously (there are LOTS of people who underestimated it and were fucked in the end)but You can start without them.
Several things like tuning a preview really need an artist by Your hand.
If it doesnt convert, then fuck Your artist, make him to remake the tour fucking hundred times and viola You got ratio!

3. It is a SUICIDAL idea to run a LEGAL paysite with Your own traffic. Why? Because two servers like You have and content worth money.
And there's a certain maximum of traffic one live person is able to gather. Take Hun, is he working alone? No...Take anyone with any type of traffic site - they dont work alone as soon as they reach some maximum per person of traffic.
It simply doesnt work different way. You may have 10 free sites and You will be able to control them. As soon as You will have 15 You'll still be able to control them but not so good anymore and You know what is the funniest thing? THE INCOME IN SUCH A CASE WILL STAY THE SAME when alone You have 10 free sites or 15 freesites...See my point?
Because You will drop control when You got 15 sites and You wont be able to see what traffic You got and from where like You barely did it with 10 sites...

So what You need is a sponsor/partnership programm for You to get good profit from paysites.
Here goes the GOOD thing -

4. It is EASY to make it and EASY to promote it in the market now...You know why? Because there are so many idiots who read newspapers and come in to online adult biz with like 30K$ of dollars which they spend fast with no experience. They open sponsor programms and because of lack of experience they simply DONT earn profit. So what they have to do in the end to get back the money is always the same - they fuck webmasters.

That is BRILLIANT for a person who got paysites and experience. Because really - ALL you got to do is a open a sponsorship programm wich WILL NOT fuck webmasters.

All You got to have is a sign up ratio at least a BIT better that known names have and THATS ALL.
Because webmasters dont stay generally with programms that convert better (that is left to proffesionals) - they stay with those who pay...So, You just pay them and they will come.
What more - money is not made on professionals. A professional may bring You 10 signups a day. So fucking what? 5 newbies will do the same and bullshit about how cool they are and require personal attention MUCH MUCH MUCH LESS...
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That easy.

5. To promote Your programm You'll need either money or very good experience.
Either You invest like 6-7K in promotion of Your programm PER MONTH or You buy a script like this one , open a forum and HONESTLY share ANY experience which may be valuable for webmasters with them, like that doorway experience. One bad point - You'll be fucked if You cant amuse them. If You dont have that experience - You will also be fucked because people dont come in and stay in because someone is a "cool guy or girl"...

6. This point is specifically important for You. Not only in traffic but in anything in this world there's a certain amount of maximum after wich it is better not to try to make it over that maximum but simply to make another resourse like the one You got already. Because it will also reach that maximum pretty fast and You will have two maxumuses.
I'll make it simplier a bit...
Got two paysites wich bring in 5K$ per month relatively easy? The other way is to have 4 paysites and You will have 10K$ http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
Because if it was simple for You to get those 5k but very difficult or impossible to step over - just make twice more paysites and together You'll earn already 10K$.

But what will happen in the EXACT situation like You have is that Your own traffic may buy well 2 paysites. It will buy 4 if You offer them twice as more. It will NOT buy 6. So You'll need more traffic to grow.
So You'll need that partnership thing.

Ok. Those were details.
To make it more easy - cheer up a bit and change Your attitude to a bit more serious and YOU CANT LOOSE really with 5 years of experience.

My point - You were on a slightly wrong way , go back to the right way and it will bring RIGHT profit.

[Scar]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Saddam Hussein:
Scar....What are you talking about man??

Models, skyscrapers, airplanes.

Sorry dude, but these things are not for the average adult webmster http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif</font>


That's exactly what I meant. Read me over.
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[Scar]

Oh yes. UknownWebmaster, if that SPONSOR thing is for some reason NOT for You (like for example You're very good with traffic on one hand and bad with all these mathes, theories and sale/marketing logics) dont do a paysite really.
Better sell Your traffic to sponsors because You'll make much more and will be MUCH more independent than a paysite owner.

I repeat two main points out of that discussion:
1. No use to run a paysite without a sponsorship programm.
2. No use to do anything seriously without a team.

Sorry for broken english and thanks Uknown for a VERY interesting point.

[Fart]

To the unknown webmaster: That reminds me of something http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Had always decent success with the search engines, peak at $ 15,000/Month in Dec 1999 and again March and April 2000, now at $ 10,000 and looks like decreasing. 3 times started a pay site and left it alone, 1 time started a pay site with webmaster program, couldn´t afford the money for content, couldn´t attract enough webmasters (just a hand full). For all sites, couldn´t attract enough members. Converting is hard, damnit! I was always getting in the range 3 -15,000 uniques per day from the engines, but these engines, you know what: they are getting smarter every day http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif. Never tried AVS or tgp´s (well, one time).

You know what: The market is still growing but the competition is growing even faster, damnit ! The sponsors feel the heat, too and they shave the fuck out of us whenever they are in the mood or in the need.

I´m doing this 20-40 hours a week and have a day time business too (my own small company with a few employees). Right now I´m again at 40/week cuz I must have more.

I´d say: Don´t do too much the same time such as tgp, engines, avs. Don´t invest too fast (in expectation of coming revenues - don´t assume they surely will come). DON´T start a paysite! If you do, find the smallest and most pervert niche you can think of, such as "pissing and inserting leg spanking lovers" or the like. Process ONLY with Ibill (never Globill, CCBill, Verotel or others). Ibill will send you membership fees 1 year after the site is offline, they don´t let people from the hook with lame ass excuses http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif. Never start a global general megasite with "everything for everyone". You would need to spend 50 grand/month for a long time for the content or you can´t hold the people.

Never pay more than $3 per GB. But find a good fast (!) reliable host. The host is important. Don´t smoke too much dope. Bad for business!

Guys we´re coming closer to the point. This is my board hehehe!!

[Fart]

Scar the team point is a very good point, indeed it is! I was trying to cooperate here and there but guess what the one guy was a 14 year old scumbag which I didn´t realize at the beginning. I told him a killer tip about yahoo (Which doesn´t work the same way anymore now) and that guy went straight to them and 12 hours later they skipped 3 REAL cool sites (in terms of steady easy money) of me. Now that was a bad feeling. Then I started doing some biz with another guy, that one seemed to be a good guy but he actually couldn´t give me something back cuz he was kinda newbie.

[TheMan]

Well it's a up and down biz so I have noticed. I am making ok money to make a decent living but...... There are some HUGE $$$ makers and I am working hard everyday to get my share. Got to buy my first house off this deal so far.

http://www.planet-babe.com/house.jpg
not much but ok for a first house http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Makes me happy but I want more!!!

TheMan

[TheMan]

Sorry wrongurl I gave... here is the right url below

http://www.planet-babe.com/house1.jpg

TheMan

[Scar]

That's the easy part.

Mostly it is UNRECCOMENDED to built a team in forum with people You dont know.

Much easier is to pick generally educated in needed profession people (like artist and admin and support and same stuff) and then wait till they get educated themselves enough.

Also a good team is almost EVERYTHING if You're not bad Yourself. So it is vital NOT TO BE TOO KIND OR WHATEVER.
Pick a man. Look at him. If he aint what's needed fucking fire him (even if he is UNBELEIVABLE COOL in all other matters).
Repeat untill You have made the RIGHT team.


Also in regards to Your previous post. You said You didnt go far with partnership programm because You had only handfull of webmasters.
Well. Everyone starts with a less than handfull.
To win You had to tune like I said before Your paysites to good convertion ratios.

It aint THAT hard really but can be some pain is ass....

If Your sites were tuned they would APRIORY have BETTER conversions than trusten known names.
Because if say Your paysite and a known paysite both have absolutely same type of preview with same level of graphics and promotional texts Your paysite will SELL MUCH MUCH MUCH better. Because a known already paysite is a thing which is very difficult to sell.

And if Your site WAS selling same or better than You'd eventually get those webmasters to promote You on one hand and would NOT be scared to pay for advertisments in webmaster resources on the other hand since it is very very unlikely that You'd lost somehow anything.

Also one more point - DONT STICK to small niches someone never heard of. It's a myth.

George Lucas once said that there is NO such thing as a new plot in a movie. Because there is a certain amount of types of plots wich simply exists and others simply dont.
In simple words You can have a comedy, a horror film and like 30 variants more.
But You dont have 60. And it's NOT because You didnt imagine them or cant imagine. It's because THERE IS NO MORE.

Same stuff with porn. Whatever was imaginable and of interest to different surfers is already being promoted.

If You try to sell BLOND GIRLS FUCKING VACUUM CLEANERS - You wont because seriously who gives a fuck about that kind of things? There are only certain amount of typical phsycological phantasies a man or woman has.
You cant go over it.

[TheMan]

hmmmmmm.... No idea why but when the link is clicked it takes u to another page... just copy url and paste to browser to see the real pic.

sorry very weird

TheMan

[Scar]

Nice house....
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[Scar]

If aint a secret how much was it , where is it (country) and which were the terms of credit? (I suppose You didnt buy it with no credit straight from couple of free sites, did You? http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif)

It's all very interesting to me because I am from Russia and these all things are interesting.

[Saddam Hussein]

ha-ha, you right Scar, many thing are interesting http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[lynch1000s]

I can't believe you bought that house with the money you make. All I can say is that the more I learn about this industry, the less I understand.

I'm jumping ship any day now cause it sucks to be an adult webmaster, and if you're a newbie, take my advice. I've lost tons of money, and have spent 10+ hours a day working on damn sites. Now that I have the traffic I always wanted, I just realized that it isn't enough to even make money, well for me at least.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TheMan:
Sorry wrongurl I gave... here is the right url below

http://www.planet-babe.com/house1.jpg

TheMan</font>

[lynch1000s]

And all I wanted to ever know is how much money you make compared to the traffic you receive. And the only one who game me a straight answer was someone who runs a pay site anyways.

[mukoh]

lynch
Not many people want to share how much they make if they make more then others. Trust me. Nowone wants to scream hey i make $20k a month on this text link which i came up with. Because everyone will use that link next day.
The thing is, sky is the limit here, you can be at $30 grand a month in 3 months or losing 1 grand a month on hosting in the same amount of time.
It all depends on what you put your money into. This is a business where you have to invest in content, hosting, trading, scripts, and more and more and more. The thing is. Run it as a business, with losses and expenses, keep it all in excel. Lots of people make it, more people do not make it in this biz. its not for everyone.

[Scar]

My best regards!
FINALLY something smart from Mukoh
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He's right, but that's still not the answer You have expected . Right?

Ok.
It's very easy. Basicly You're able to send to a sponsor only a small portion of traffic You have because if You use a popup - the conversion ratio will go simply down and the profit will be almost the same if You did it with banners with text links.
I.E. from say 100 surfers who came to Your site only like 30 in best case will be interested in what Your sponsor offers.

That means that if You got like 10K uniques on Your site most probably You can get like 50$ or more per day if the traffic matches the sponsor.
That I beleive should be considered pretty normal.
Though I'd be glad to hear other people say anything about it. My experience with free sites is old. It has been long time since I ran a simple free site.

But that all depends really really much on what You got and from where. It depends on luck also (people never mention luck somehow http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif ). (we dont discuss here TGP conversions with traffic sent to sponsors directly and such plain stuff)...

So it is totally impossible to give a good prediction. There are just too many variants.

Anyway, in the beginning of this whole thread I gave You a table of what I suppose is a normal income of different webmasters.

Look at it and know what You can expect if You work very good.

[Scar]

Oh yes, before my cowboy nightmare starts picking on me again I wanna add something.
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Sky is not the limit at all.
There are only certain profitability available.
People dont make over 10$k with free sites.
They generally dont make over 10-15$K with toplists/cjs/tgps and other traffic generators and rarely make even that much...

Of course we dont take into consideration very known names like Persian Kitty or other number one names in traffic biz. Who the fuck knows how much REALLY they make? May be a lot, may be not.

So sky is not the limit at all.
But there's one thing Mukoh is right about.
As soon as people reach a certain amount in income they stop talking about it which is of course pretty normal...

When You make Your first 5K$ generally You make all the fucking internet to know it!(telling mostly that You make 15K$ http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif)

When You made 10-20K$ probably You just say that you make FUCKING MUCH but tell no details.

When You make more - you simply dont speak about it.

When You're a fucking looser - You go around and talk about skyscrapers , nasdaq and shit like that...
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[basschick]

actually, i have tried to help a lot of newbies... answered every question, pointed them in the same direction i make my money in.

for some reason, they never took the advice offered and just kept complaining that they didn't make any money. but they were all SOOOO sure that what i was saying wouldn't work that they wouldn't try it. even though it does work!

weird!

[Scar]

Oh that's pretty normal...
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Newbie - is a dangerous person. Extremely.

There are SO MANY cases I know of newbies whom You try to help and then they do things for You , You never EVEN thought they'll do..

Like spamming 300 000 emails.
Like stealing Your competitors WHOLE FUCKING EXCLUSIVE CONTENT WITH FULL PAYSITE'S PREVIEW (You may briefly imagine the emails You get same day from competitors).
Like cheating everything which is possible to cheat for You (you get 20 webmasters same day who tell You all they think about even Your most remote relatives) ...
Like saying "fuckoff" to people NOONE SHOULD SAY FUCK OFF TOO. (once a newbie was submitting sites for me very long time ago. He asked me what should he say if there were any questions from other webmasters. In a semi-joking mood I told him - say "Fuck off". I actually hoped he had any brains. What he did was that he submitted a free site to a 100% NON ADULT MOST KNOWN IN MOSCOW PORTAL. When it's owner (not even the webmaster) wrote a serious abuse/complain email my newbie friend had no problem at all to say "fuck off You damn asshole. we will fuck You."

Damn! That was funny! Not for me though...
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[Jonathan Craig]

For the record, I make a whole dollar per hour. Plus, I bug my boss for a ten, every morning, for breakfeast http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Consider myself pretty rich http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Saddam Hussein]

Scar,
I get this in chinese forute cookie one time http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

"big winds come from empty caves" http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[Scar]

yeah...
It's a good one.
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Scar]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Saddam Hussein:
Scar,
I get this in chinese forute cookie one time http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

"big winds come from empty caves" http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif</font>

can be some stomach problem though...Chinese are always funny...
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[lynch1000s]

What frustrates me is that I receive up to 40k worth of hits on a given day, and I'm not making money. I always had some notion that the day I received this amount of traffic to my site is that I'd be able to at least quit my job, now I have to work twice as long trying to support a site that does nothing for me.

[lynch1000s]

I mean 40 k worth of visitors, anyways, sorry I asked this dumb question. Is anyone looking to buy a site that receives up to 40 k worth of visitors a day???

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by lynch1000s:
What frustrates me is that I receive up to 40k worth of hits on a given day, and I'm not making money. I always had some notion that the day I received this amount of traffic to my site is that I'd be able to at least quit my job, now I have to work twice as long trying to support a site that does nothing for me.</font>

[lynch1000s]

well bass chick, what are the secrets you tell to newbies???? Want to share any?

[magnatique]

look, it's all about marketing...

and sky IS the limit scar..

your predefined range are no good..

I for a fact personally know a guy making over 60K$ with your so called topped kind of sites...

others make from 50-100k with SE... Others make 100k with paysite that are small, alone...

it's all about how you market your shit, how you run your business... it's a business you run... it's hard to think that way... I know I don't... which is what I'm working on right now...

but it is HARD...


see, with 100k hits to tgp posts, some make from 0-500$... maybe more...

with 10k of SE traffic, some make 10,000$....

with 5,000k hits of AVS traffic, some might make 20,000$!!

Now, this is different kind of traffic....
different ammounts of cash!!!!

say, the minimum you should make with 40K traffic on a free site (which means console is available to you) is say 50% exits, so 20K of exit traffic, at 0.0045$ = 90$/day....

but again, do you go after growth, or simple easy money that exit traffic brings...


what kind of site do you run?

[mukoh]

Scar.
In a way you are wrong. Sky IS the limit here. People who build AVS sites some are making a million a year just on building sites, a lot of them are making a 100k a year easy.

People who run Cj's some make upwards of 20k a month.

Some people make 10k a month on link lists
some make 30k a month on TGP traffic.

It all depends. Remember this business has no limit. It is how you run it, and what team you have playing with you.

As far as for you lynch, try trading your traffic with better sources, you might not be getting good traffic, so exchange it for better traffic.

[lynch1000s]

I run several sites off one domain name. I getting a lot, mostly from posting my galleries, so I can't put consoles on that. I have a very poor join 4 free sign up ratio, maybe 1 in 30, and I'm not even getting enough to get the minimum pay check. Anyways, I'm still kind of a newbie, what suggestions do any of you have for me?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by magnatique:
look, it's all about marketing...

and sky IS the limit scar..

your predefined range are no good..

I for a fact personally know a guy making over 60K$ with your so called topped kind of sites...

others make from 50-100k with SE... Others make 100k with paysite that are small, alone...

it's all about how you market your shit, how you run your business... it's a business you run... it's hard to think that way... I know I don't... which is what I'm working on right now...

but it is HARD...


see, with 100k hits to tgp posts, some make from 0-500$... maybe more...

with 10k of SE traffic, some make 10,000$....

with 5,000k hits of AVS traffic, some might make 20,000$!!

Now, this is different kind of traffic....
different ammounts of cash!!!!

say, the minimum you should make with 40K traffic on a free site (which means console is available to you) is say 50% exits, so 20K of exit traffic, at 0.0045$ = 90$/day....

but again, do you go after growth, or simple easy money that exit traffic brings...


what kind of site do you run?</font>

[lynch1000s]

Also, how do you get search engine traffic??? How much do some of you get from search engines?


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by lynch1000s:
I run several sites off one domain name. I getting a lot, mostly from posting my galleries, so I can't put consoles on that. I have a very poor join 4 free sign up ratio, maybe 1 in 30, and I'm not even getting enough to get the minimum pay check. Anyways, I'm still kind of a newbie, what suggestions do any of you have for me?

</font>

[quotealex]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by lynch1000s:
..How much do some of you get from search engines?
</font>

One, Try to trade links to as much sites (35 or more) that are in the same niche (or theme) as your site.

Two, put as much text content as possible on your pages. The percent of text should be much higher than banners and links.

Three, link all your pages and domains.

Four, put mata tags (title, descriptions, keywords, etc.) on each and every page.

Six, label all your images on the html (alt.) since spiders cannot read images.

Seven, submit your domain(s) by hand to the top 20 SE (some charges a fee ranging from $199 to $600(Yahoo) for adult sites)

Eight, auto-submit to the other SE all over the world (more than 1,500).

The number of hits you'll get will depend on various factors (keywords, click-relevancy, theme-relevancy, contents, etc.) Don't expect to get near as much traffic as TGP, but the traffic should be better.

[Fart]

Well some of you might have the wrong sponsors, 95 % or so of them don´t pay or shave way too much.

[magnatique]

TheMan... just letting you know, the reason you cannot visit that url from this board is probably for the following reason...

you must have a .htaccess file that restricts hotlinking... that is to say, the jpg/gif/mpg/mov [or whatever is in your .htaccess] cannot be loaded(or linked) from any other domain as the one specified in your htaccess...

that is probably the reason why, and you have a rewrite command to your home domain :-)


hope that answers it, in case you really wondered hehe http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[basschick]

lynch1000s - i'm not going to tell you a random bunch of shit. where are your hits coming from and what would you like to do? tgp posting? avs posting? your own tgp? or ???

ask me questions, i'll answer...

[lynch1000s]

Honestly, today by 6 o'clock, I had 40,000 visitors and I made 2 dollars in revenue. 2 off an opt in e-mail program. and my join 4 free program had 0 for 57 or something like that. Anyways, I get most of my visitors from posting to tgp sites with my scripts. I receive anywhere from 10-45 k a day.???

Any suggestions?


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by basschick:
lynch1000s - i'm not going to tell you a random bunch of shit. where are your hits coming from and what would you like to do? tgp posting? avs posting? your own tgp? or ???

ask me questions, i'll answer... </font>

[magnatique]

first suggestion man... Change of attitude...

Be positive, all I hear you right now is complaining...

you are on the right path, asking for help... but don't be so negative..


first off, tgp posting traffic is crap... unless you are experienced with marketting, no serious money there IMHO...

and hard on BW... if you DO want to post to tgps, get a freehost place, it'll save you tons.

[Scar]

Well, I admit I am wrong in a way.
It is pointless to speak of other people.

Someone has all friends making over 100K and someone's friends dont make it over 60K.

Well for one thing I dont call 100K per month the SKY limit. It is simply wrong.
Mind You, in NO case I mean that it's easy to make 100K or that 100K is not much.
100K is much. Specially per month. Even just revenue, not the profit.
But I dont call price of 1 good BMW - Sky limit. Look out the window (in case You live in any megapolice). Count all cars right now which when were new costed like 60K or 70K.
Did those people who bought them new ALL reached SKY?
Dont think so.

But this SKY thing is sort of stupid anyway and the discussion of it also. For another thing numbers I said arent REALLY different from what You said. Range is almost same.
Our experience may just be different.

TO Lynch -
Really loose the attidute.
40K of uniques and couple of bucks per day - this is VERY wrong.
Really You should have made at the very very least 50$ per day.
Change all sponsors and the way You promote them.

Also post an URL here. I think it will help You VERY VERY much because this topic I beleive draws very much experienced attention.

[gigzpicz]

I top all you guys!!!!!
I get 500-1k of traffic a day and use a .01 per unique prog. I built myself.
I make .03 a day from uniques... A shout out to my Mom brother and 6yr old sister for supporting me..
The other 497-997 clicks i get i do myself... My index finger is gunna fall off!!
Do any of you guys offer a good medical program??
Check out my site for a good laugh..
by the way.. you guys are FUNNY MOTHER FUCKERS!!! LOL!!

Cya,
GIGZ
http://www.gigz.homeip.net

[quotealex]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by gigzpicz:
I top all you guys!!!!!
I get 500-1k of traffic a day and use a .01 per unique prog. I built myself.
I make .03 a day from uniques... A shout out to my Mom brother and 6yr old sister for supporting me..
The other 497-997 clicks i get i do myself... My index finger is gunna fall off!!
Do any of you guys offer a good medical program??
Check out my site for a good laugh..
by the way.. you guys are FUNNY MOTHER FUCKERS!!! LOL!!

Cya,
GIGZ
http://www.gigz.homeip.net

</font>

Didn't I see this URL on another board for a review?
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[Saddam Hussein]

how much money does everybody think is made from shaving?

I bet your ass it is a $hitload.

[Doctor Dre]

Well man =p Get AVS traffic ... If you get 20 k of avs traffic you will get as much as the hun is making lololol http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif Some traffic is good some is bad =p

[Doctor Dre]

Well I liked this threat a lot http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif Well if you can make 40 k US / year its not bad consedering most of ppl don't do =p Check the guys in russia and africa http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

Well guys I think team work is what does matter ... No team No cash .

[lynch1000s]

Oh well. I'm still living with my parents, and 6 months ago I didn't even know what html was. Anyways, I try to hold jobs flipping burgers and picking up other people's garbage all day, and most of my checks are used to finance my adult site that hardly makes money, and I'm still losing money to this day.

oh well, I should've started an e-comm business.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Doctor Dre:
Well I liked this threat a lot http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif Well if you can make 40 k US / year its not bad consedering most of ppl don't do =p Check the guys in russia and africa http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

Well guys I think team work is what does matter ... No team No cash .</font>

[AzteK]

LOL! what you should have done is more research and experimenting, not bring an e-tailer I'm sure nobody became rich over night ;-) so read, test, and retest and retest some more untill you get the hang of it...

[AzteK]

scrach out *bring --&gt; becomming

god i cnt spll and wrte

[Rod]

Aztek: yea I know someone who came rich really quickly by almost doiing nothing...Bill Gates *LOL*

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[lynch1000s]

Hey, does anyone want my adult site. Yesterday it received 50,000 visitors. Today it had 30,000 visitors by 9 o'clock in the mourning. If you're interested, please e-mail me at lynch100010@aol.com

[MrBrian]

i live in a cul-de-sac
guess which one is my house http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif


http://www.cardboardbox.com/image/sbox.jpg

[MrBrian]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MrBrian:
i live in a cul-de-sac
guess which one is my house http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif


http://homepages.go.com/~hakata/homeless1.jpg </font>

there went my joke...

[lynch1000s]

Hey, I made like 30 dollars in revenue today. I found good sponsors. Hopefully I'll one day make real money.


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MrBrian:
there went my joke...</font>

[Doctor Dre]

Great lynch ... well you should be supposed at least to be able to pay for your BW http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Rod]

Why don't you sell your exit!
With 40k you should be able to get at LEAST 100$US daily only with your exit console...and this is without sign up ratio's http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[quickxxx]

Yes, exit programs work really well. Try sellyourexit.com I know they pay, and well.