Why aren't we making as much money? TGPs!!! [Archive]

blind

03-11-2002, 01:20 PM

I don't know exactly what sense of logic some people have, but TGPs are the devil. Yeah, you may be getting lots of traffic and a few SU's a day off of your own galleries and a few site ad's, but you are only mugging the adult industry. You are a surfer. You can 1) Join a PaySite. 2) Bullshit around in CJ's enough until you finally give up and join a PaySite 3) Go to a TGP and get unlimited porn for free. Before TGP's started massing, free porn was alot harder to come by, that's why it was so easy to make money off of a little traffic. People see a PaySite, and it sounds like the best damn thing since Penthouse. A 2k CJ site could make well over $1500 a month. Why? Because free porn was harder to find, making your traffic convert like a motherfuck when they saw those tempting ads. Now, you used to be able to make a killing off galleries because they were the same concept as a free site, but single page, and easier to get traffic to. Show your pictures, and advertise a PaySite, using various techniques. Once a TGP gets big, it focuses on quality, taking away certain abilities, like using certain words, or having a certain number of ads. What does this do? Gives the surfer MORE quality to prevent him from ever wanting to join a PaySite (pay for porn) and screws the gallery-submitter out of money. I would like to give TGP owners a new nickname. Traffic Greedy Pricks In the end, none of you will be making money. Yes you have MASSES of bookmarked traffic, but that's only because you are giving away free shit. If I started giving out massive quantities of say, Beer, and then other people started following my example, pretty soon, all the beer companies (pay sites and their affiliates) would be out of money because everyone is drinking free beer. Each and every day THOUSANDS of people are deciding never to pay for porn again because they have 10 fucking TGP's bookmarked. Yes, you all have lots of traffic, but you are only killing the industry, and you are only getting that traffic because those people are all coming for free shit. Timeline Years ago. Few TGP's Exist We make $1500+ of 2k a couple years ago. Later. More TGP's Sprout Sponsors start losing money and shaving affiliates and tossing out massive rules. We notice a slight decrease in productivity. Later. Even more TGP's are born. Sponsors are going out of business, unable to pay affiliates by a per-click ratio. Free site and CJ webmasters start losing more money and more traffic. Now. Hordes of TGPs are in existance. Internet users know where to find any kind of porn anywhere for free. The few people that know about the free shit are responsible for the little money that we do make. To make money even off a TGP you need to have at least 50,000k because you, as an evil TGP webmaster have cause the industry to deteriorate in profit so much, that a 20,000k site means jack shit. Everyone's losing money, even yourselves. So cheers TGP webmasters. <img border="0" alt="[Finger]" title="" src="graemlins/finger.gif" /> Thanks for making us all work our asses off to get a few bucks. It's not like I enjoyed not doing shit and making $2000 a month or anything.

blind

03-11-2002, 01:22 PM

Besides, where do you think that the money in the internet porn industry comes from? Traffic? NO, it comes from places that CHARGE for porn, rather than giving it away. Owning a TGP and promoting a paysite is so fucking hypocritical.

Joshua

03-11-2002, 01:34 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by blind: Besides, where do you think that the money in the internet porn industry comes from? Traffic? NO, it comes from places that CHARGE for porn, rather than giving it away. Owning a TGP and promoting a paysite is so fucking hypocritical. -------------------- ICQ me for a CJ, CJ II or TGP Trade 29866422 <hr /></blockquote>I think this subject was already talked about last week. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" /> On the subject of hypocrites... 'ICQ me for a CJ, CJ II or TGP Trade'

Joshua

03-11-2002, 01:35 PM

ROTFL, you changed your profile. AHAH <img border="0" alt="[ROTFLMAO]" title="" src="graemlins/rotflmao.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[ROTFLMAO]" title="" src="graemlins/rotflmao.gif" />

koon

03-11-2002, 01:37 PM

blind cool down ... you got the points but there is nothing you can you do about it no way to stop TGP cause time is moving forward not backward there is not much way to stop ppl from making TGPs, may be they cant make as much as the old days but the big TGPs still make enough money i think that's why they are still here

run

03-11-2002, 01:40 PM

oh come on man, relax. gimme your addr ill send you some free beer <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

maxuscz

03-11-2002, 01:48 PM

Darvin say good words it's EVOLUTION strong and smart get through we need be strong and smart 8)

jojo

03-11-2002, 01:52 PM

I agree, TGP's are ruining the porn industry and in the end i don't think anyone is going to make descent money in porn.used to be you would have to search for hours to get free porn and now an average surfer can find it in a couple minutes. wake up you fools and start thinking of the money and not how much traffic you can get, becauce that traffic isn't shit when you aren't making the money. and thats all read read on the boards of these big TGPs crying that they are not makeing anything.i wonder why?i know give them some more free shit <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

playa

03-11-2002, 01:57 PM

same story i heard for over 2 years now,,,, you can't beat the system,,

XP

03-11-2002, 02:00 PM

blind is right. earning money getting harder & harder each day. Even TGP Galleries gets very less clicks to sponsors. Because surfers getting smart.

run

03-11-2002, 02:00 PM

These perverts dont like same pics all the time. New porn has to be delivered. Thats where the money can be made no matter how bad it is.

Kappy

03-11-2002, 02:16 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by run: These perverts dont like same pics all the time. New porn has to be delivered. Thats where the money can be made no matter how bad it is.<hr /></blockquote>Yes, and 50% of porn industries income came from adultwebmasters

marcello

03-11-2002, 02:21 PM

Yeah -> BLIND is f***g right !! We have to make smthng new - surfers are getting smarter - no toplists , no CJ´s ..... FREE TGP will kill the bizz of these days - the smarter is the surfer , the smarter should be an adult webmaster !! ------- but dear AW -- have no advices for now too <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> ( )

LAJeff

03-11-2002, 02:30 PM

The problem I see is that the tgp gallery makers are too worried about making surfers happy. The surfers dont care about you or your website. They want to jack off and jack off to what ever they can. If you beat up the surfer so bad and then send them to a nice paysite with not crap, then you will make money. The only one making all the good money is the top 5 tgps out there. Not the webmasters making all the galleries. The gallery makers are just making more money for the top tgp owners. The sufers click on a gallery look a the pics and then click back. All day they just click on one gallery and click back. I know this sounds crazy, but if you all stop submitting your galleries then the tgp will go away. Its time to stop making the top tgps owner all the money. Take what you know and start making money.

nic

03-11-2002, 02:31 PM

Jeff: You are right. TGPs are the devil. But hell, what can we do. CJs still make the most money with smaller traffic. If more people would realise this then things would get better. run: You run a few big tgps out there. Why don't you start a CJ and own a few of those? It's not like the script would cost you anything. It's definitely not hard to create a good 30k+ Cj site that can make some $$$. Also, how bout giving me a job working on your 500k+ tpgs? If you can't afford to hire me, then what is that 500k really worth. Think about how much 500k of CJ traffic is really worth? Just imagine that........ And send that free beer my way. Just hit me up on icq for the address. Peace, Nic ICQ: 3605392

SpyCam

03-11-2002, 02:31 PM

nice story <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> it's just what i have in my own practics: i started from xxx passwords sites, then made CJ2 sites and now i have TGP sites and making new projects (AVS, BBS, Paysites) and after my evolution was going on my proffit was growing too.... so it isn't that bad for me.....

basschick

03-11-2002, 02:36 PM

if it weren't tgp's, it would be something. there are probably more than 20 times more webmasters easily than there were 3 years ago. lots of mainstream people with day jobs are in the mix now. what this means is more everything - paysites don't convert 'cause of competition, as well. there are SO many more sites in every niche - and more consoles to confuse surfers when they GO to the paysites. ars and topbucks have enter consoles. there are more free sites, more avs sites, more galleries, more paysites. the surfers have multiplied tenfold but the porn industry expanded more like twentyfold, so there is less money per site.

Terrance11

03-11-2002, 02:40 PM

LA jeff>> gallery makers stop posting, then tgp's will just die. True, but no way that would ever happen. nic>> cj sites are dead <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> I posted about this in desipapa's thread about how he thought the industry was dying... etc. You really just have to evolve with times. I think you should all just quit now while you're still ahead <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

koon

03-11-2002, 02:41 PM

is there any big TGP ppl here? i have an idea ... (i think ppl tried this before) why don't we (tgpmaster) start make CJ sites? i mean with the traffic from TGP i think we can probably make alot of big cj sites if TGP has 80% of the traffic and CJ has 20% of the traffic why dont we start working on cj and make cj traffic can compare to TGP traffic we can turn it to 50/50 ... i know we didnt make less free porn but we probably make it harder for surfers

Nymph

03-11-2002, 02:45 PM

In my opinion... It's not just the TGPs, lets throw in the link sites, top lists, and pic posts too...oh and heaven forbid we forget about all those auto submit programs out there that submit hundreds of galleries, or sites daily to any number of TGPs and link sites. People, look at some of the rules on the traffic sites...for the most part they suck donkeys. Allowing you only 2 or 3 ads per page, no sponsor content, thumbs have to be a certain size, thumbs have to open to the pic not a html page, no FPAs, no consoles, no blind links, and on & on... We are the ones supporting these traffic sites, and their rules too...at least some of us are by building our sites, or galleries to "fit their rules". How many of you buy content to use for galleries, or free sites instead of using sponsor content, and why? Why should the surfers buy the cow when they can get the milk for free? If you give them fresh new content daily, why in the world would they feel the need to buy into a pay site? We are doing it to ourselves...thinking about today, and how much money we are banking...not thinking about our long term profitablilty in this biz. It's survival of the fitist in life, and this biz is no different. Think about tomorrow, don't get stuck in today.

koon

03-11-2002, 02:46 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Terrance11: LA jeff>> gallery makers stop posting, then tgp's will just die. True, but no way that would ever happen. nic>> cj sites are dead <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> I posted about this in desipapa's thread about how he thought the industry was dying... etc. You really just have to evolve with times. I think you should all just quit now while you're still ahead <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>i dont know about cj1 .. but all my cj2 sites are doing very good i have 3 at 50k and i am going to make more

LAJeff

03-11-2002, 02:48 PM

The big tgp owners will never stop cause there are so many webmasters out there making galleries for there site. Think about it,, I have paysites and I pay people to gallery out all my new photos that I purchase each month. The tgp owners dont have to pay anyone or purchase content. All the new webmasters are doing it for them. Alot of gallery making webmasters think "oh well Im giving the surfer only 10 pics and then they click on my banner" That is so off. The surfer is getting 500 pics to choose from.

manga

03-11-2002, 03:15 PM

Blind I agree with you 100% CJs were 100 times more profitable than TGPs. As far as CJs go, I definitely think they can make a comeback, but the motivation is needed to make this happen. How many of the TGP webmasters today used to be CJ webmasters? Quite a few. A lot of them changed to TGP after Shap's post, and after UCJ put in gallery features. The change happened really fast too. Those who were around then probably remember that it only took a few months and all the big CJs were TGPs. There is no reason why they can't change back to CJ again. A lot of people have been talking about bringing back the CJ but not enough are moving on it. It can happen guys, but enough people have to wake up first. All the people who say it will never happen are full of shit and are just followers anyway. It can happen and it should happen.

jayeff

03-11-2002, 03:35 PM

Couldn't agree with (most of you) less... in May, I shall have been in this business 6 years. It has always been easy to get free porn and back then, you were supposed to be paying close to one-third of today's price for paysites offering maybe 2k pics and that was it. Thing was, the industry was very new and 95% of the surfers were newbies, not wise to all our tricks and thousands on thousands of them willing to pay, whether to an AVS or a paysite. There was much less competition and free sites weren't as clean as today, but the big problem is really that experienced surfers form a bigger part of the total potential market. The number of new surfers are now a very small part of the whole. We are trying, 90%+ of the time, to sell to the same people we have been jerking around and ripping off for years... that is the real problem.

Dan S

03-11-2002, 03:43 PM

Well, you can still sell the cow when you give away the milk when you make them want the STEAK too! I do not say that I have no problems converting traffic to $$$ on my TGP`s. But think about WHAT tgp`s are giving away....its pictures.... Pictures is a kind of content that is left over from the 90`s. Broadband is getting more common everyday. My Dad is currently in the Philippines and he got cable over there in the province! If you want to make a TGP surfer to buy another 500.000 pictures in a paysite (the same 500.000 pictures he has already seen in any other super dooper mega site he already joined), than I whish you good luck. Well, I do not have the perfect solution also. But there is content beyond fucking pictures. What else do we have? Live Content is nothing new, but it`s getting more interesting day by day, as surfers on broadband increase. What do you think how ifriends is paying these high payouts? Just for the sake of it??? The whole industry is sleeping. Ifriends is sinking for one reason I don`t know. But I am sure it`s not a lack of sales (I mean the minutes the users do). Yet, I have to see one of the big programs with a stock pile of cash giving them some serious competition! Thats fucked up! The concept ifriends has is a great concept. There are millions of minutes waiting to be produced. If we just would have a fucking serious sponsor. I know that this shit is producing minutes. I run <a href="http://www.homecamchat.com" target="_blank">www.homecamchat.com</a> I am getting the feeds from a german sponsor. Great minutes, but mostly produced by the little german traffic I have on my TGP. For all non german traffic the page looks weird because of all the german descreptions. I am sure I could make 5x the sales with a good US sponsor. But there is fucking none! Well, there is go4live.com, JP is doing a great job over there. But the site is too new right now to dump some major traffic to it. Paysites with 500.000 pics and 250.000 video clips don`t do the job anymore. We need NEW products to sell. We have to give the customer a reason NOT to rent the DVD in the local store but to take it from us. Don`t know, fullsize fullenght DVD function movies, or what ever. I am missing a signal from the industry. We are not in 1995 where you could submit a feeder site to Adult Check in the evening, go to bed and have 15 sales with a maxcash banner! But we are selling STILL the same lame ass products. Every big sponsor is creating 30 new front ends every few weeks with the same shit behind the doors. That is truly sad. Sorry, I dont buy the argument TGP`s are killing us.

nasko

03-11-2002, 04:02 PM

I agree with Dan S, there is a potential in the TGPs, but it's not easy anymore. You should work hard and create new things every day to make money off them.

ragnar

03-11-2002, 04:03 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Terrance11: nic>> cj sites are dead <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Terrance youre wrong there are still a few people that have cj sites including myself above 10k. Two years ago i was working only 1/2 hours a day on my sites and was already making more cash than my friends with a full-time day job. Now its just shit ive seen my sites dropping day by day, i catch cheaters daily, wich gives me less money and i doubt that the good old days will come back, so ive started already with a normal day job to keep my money coming it should be nice if some people setup some cj sites again so at least we can build up some big trades and hopefully start making more money just my 2 cents

nasko

03-11-2002, 04:07 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by blind: ...If I started giving out massive quantities of say, Beer, and then other people started following my example, pretty soon, all the beer companies (pay sites and their affiliates) would be out of money because everyone is drinking free beer...<hr /></blockquote>If all the beer was free and I wanted to be in the beer business I could start selling other stuff and give the beer for free. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

Dan S

03-11-2002, 04:11 PM

Maybe one example of what I mean: Currently I am taking alot of my working time to search new ways to make money. Much more time than it would be healthy for any biz. Since new year I really haven`t found that much. But there is one thing that caught my attention. -------------------------------------------------- Site Description: 3D-world is a real virtual world, crazy incredible world of cybersex, where a surfer can choose any electronic body, cybernetic penis or vaginal port and get never expected and never experienced before pleasure. Could Albert Einstein imagine such a picture?! Of course, not! But it has happened! It was the very thing Billy was thinking about inventing Windows in his garage! And today the new high tech are at our disposal! Perfect quality, thrilling plots, realistic images AND the fantastic atmosphere of both realistic and magic feeling make it one of the best! -------------------------------------------------- I havent looked into the site yet, but THIS SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING FRESH. This is coming closer to fullfill the surfers fantasies about cybersex. Jerking off on pics is getting old (my left hand said just yesterday <img border="0" alt="[Nod]" title="" src="graemlins/nod.gif" /> )

Due

03-11-2002, 04:15 PM

I completely agree with Dan S. Problem is the paysites are still like they where 2 years ago (except the members areas is much bigger). But everything else have changed.

Terrance11

03-11-2002, 04:54 PM

ragnar, I'm sure you still make money with cj sites, but I personally had one at 200k a no less than a few months ago... How much was I making? 30 dollars a day in profit with dialers. Okay, well I could've sold my exit, but guess I'm not very good at advertising??? Other than the fact that last month I converted 1 in 100 to my sponsors <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> Sorry, but when dialer heaven first came out, I could pull in 100 dollars a day in dialer minutes with 30k in cj traffic, but once the industry did a flip, I dropped from 1000 minutes to what seemed like some days- none. I usually try to evolve, but let's face it, there's not much evolving in the cj world, why else are people doing the same thing now that they were doing 1.5-2 years ago, because there's not much you can do with the traffic in the first place. CJ's are going downhill, I think people can still make money with them, but it's getting tougher and tougher. There's much more room for trying out new thing with tgp's, but you have to work on them, not just let them sit there. I think FREE in the porn industry is only hurting those who don't know how to convert traffic, and are unwilling to try new things...

Joshua

03-11-2002, 04:57 PM

Dan, does that site have a referral program or anything of the sort? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

tradermcduck

03-11-2002, 05:14 PM

Dan S, what you say is so true!!!

playa

03-11-2002, 05:32 PM

well i am trying to be ready for the long haul,,, if you don't have a paysite in your portfolio to get a stable amount income then you might not last to long,,, just my 2 cents though

keyman

03-11-2002, 05:32 PM

You make some valid points blind, although you didn't seem to acknowledge the fact that there are a hell of a lot more surfers out there these days. The number of TGPs, galleries and paysites have grown accordingly (beer in demand). Affiliates are simply part of a marketing campaign. The easiest way to do this is to play the numbers game. Whatever it is that the surfer wants give it to them so that they arrive in mass numbers (free beer). Having said that, I think TGP owners who want to make the surfers experience as easy as possible are cutting their own throats. There should be plently of free stuff out there, it should just be hard to access and be slightly annoying (blind links/thumbs, popups etc). This is probably the biggest mistake made by owners of large TGPs. Because they were getting so many submissions, they were able to enforce strict rules on the galleries and set a standard that all other TGPs had to follow to be competitive (higher quality free beer). I understand where the TGP2 guys are at but, the standard has already been set. The majority of paysite webmasters seem to be suffering from the bandwagon effect. The 3-5 page splash screen/tour page websites aren't going to cut it for much longer. When I go out and buy a new computer (or case of beer), I don't just buy it because it comes in a pretty box. I want to know whats inside the box (no high risk beer). I'll give you an example of a paysite which is unconventional and very successful, that is of course ALS scan, which was originally an amateur site when I first visited it. Although they have been around forever and a day, they have never had an affiliate program, the web design is ordinary, they don't do recur billing. When a surfer signs up there they know exactly what they'll be getting, they get daily updates and high resolution pics and occasionally high res mpegs. Most of the content they shoot is reserved for paysite usage (full strength beer). The internet is still growing and it seems content producers haven't worked out that their website membership sales can far exceed their video/magazine sales. I recently signuped up to the Anabolic video productions paysite to have a look around. These guys produce quite alot of video content. The members section is very ordinary, pics not catagorized properly, no series pics and a few non-downloadable videos. Every time a surfer gets burned by a paysite (didn't get what they expected) the chances of them ever joining another site have been decreased (free beer tastes better than pay beer). I hear alot of webmasters calling the surfers greedy, although to me its supprising I ever signed up for another site after being billed for 3 months at private gold even after cancelling my membership on the first month. The early internet was just riddled with scams and alot of the left overs still remain (rip off beer). So in a few words, hehe. I think TGPs need to become less quality so that the paysites can catch up. I also stress the importance of frequent updates, that is very important to a surfer. TGP bookmarkers always come back for their daily rations. Paysite members probably would too if 99% of paysites bothered to update frequently (daily beer). Trust me, I'm an accomplished beer drinker. <img src="http://fubar.6-media.com/beerchug.gif" alt="" />

DamageX

03-11-2002, 07:27 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> I understand where the TGP2 guys are at but, the standard has already been set. <hr /></blockquote>keyman, strong point made, but personally I think TGP2 has everything it takes to succeed. If only more people would get the principle of TGP2 through their thick skull, the process would be even faster. Someone mentioned that TGP's only exist and enforce the rules they do because they got enough submissions in order to be picky. Well DUH! From what I remember that was the reason Adolf Hitler was a succesful leader, because enough people followed him. See, there are TRUCKLOADS of gallery makers out there. Many buy content on a regular basis, work 12+h/day to make galleries/free sites/avs's. Some of'em even get posted and make money. Cheers to them! Imagine if you could make a 5-pic gallery with 2-3 banners AND 2 fat-ass big motherfucking flashing textlinks that would catch Joe surfer's attention in no time. Imagine if you could put each picture on an HTML page, on which you could slap an additional big motherfucking textlink that would catch Joe surfer's attention in no time. Imagine you'd be allowed to submit 5-10 galleries/day on a regular basis. Imagine being able to put together 10 galleries from a 50-pics content set that you just paid 35 bucks for. Imagine putting together 20-30 of your own 5-pic galleries, list them on a site of your own, updating that site once in a while (1/week?) and making money off of it. Imagine getting a 10-15% stable CTR to sponsor from your link list site and 20%+ CTR to sponsor from your galleries. In the world of mammoth TGP's ruling the porn biz, doesn't that sound like Utopia? You know what, that can be done. If you're a gallery maker and feel being ripped off by the big hitters because they won't list your gallery even if you spent over 2 hours on making it and you listed 20 paid-content hi-rez pics on it, and even reciped the motherfucker, then all you have to do is realize that there are alternatives. Think out of the box. Instead of making 7 galleries in a week, all with 15+ pics, make 21 galleries, using only 5 pics. Then list them on a site of your own, put up some ads on it, submit to search engines, submit the galleries to other link sites and you're all set. Next time you make a gallery, along with submitting it, list it on your own page as well. Stop working your ass off in order to MAYBE get a few signups IF you're lucky and Their Majesties care enough for listing you this particular day. Make your own TGP2, make TGP2 galleries, submit TGP2 galleries, get TGP2 traffic and signups. I have personally experienced upward of 20% CTR to sponsor across my TGP2's and I've got other people to back me up on that. Same goes for galleries. Think I'm bullshitting you? TEE GEE PEE TWO DOT COM BABY!!! The way I see it you've got two choices. Either you try it out for yourself and see I'm right, or stick to the current, hardly profitable, business model. Geez, wonder what they'll choose...

slickroyale

03-11-2002, 08:11 PM

How come no one complains about newsgroups, thats where the real free porn lurkers go, not tgps.

Terrance11

03-11-2002, 08:18 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Royale: How come no one complains about newsgroups, thats where the real free porn lurkers go, not tgps.<hr /></blockquote>yeah, just like lolita is cp, and that it's illegal to take galleries off other people's tgps... <img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" />

blind

03-11-2002, 09:18 PM

Good to see I'm not the only one who feels like he's getting fucked by certain people's ignorance. I agree. The gallery makers need to change their habits. I have a question. Why the hell does a TGP webmaster care if one of his surfers is dragged away from his site by a gallery??? I mean, do they honestly think that a person who has already gone to one gallery is going to benefit their site by browsing more galleries? Sure they may click on a ratio gallery and send one hit to a trade, but is that hit going to produce any clicks for the trade? Someone who is already browsing ads and free pics isn't going to sign up with the TGP's sponsor. They are just eating their bandwith. I think TGP webmasters need to lighten up on their rules. By giving the surfer the perfect place to find free porn, they may get more traffic, but they are only making it harder on themselves, and everyone else, to make money. But again, gallery makers do need to strive towards TGP 2's Stop taking all the bullshit from the TGP "Gods" they think they are. Why not make more money off of your galleries with less pictures and less dick-sucking of the site.

Hornication.com

03-11-2002, 09:55 PM

I own a paysite myself, and I don't have anything against TGP operators, so to speak, but I do agree they cost us some business. I've actually tried to use a few different popular TGP sites to promote my paysite, either by posting banner ads or thumbs to free samples, or in some cases both. But one thing I do every month is seriously analyze my log files, and I can tell you this: TGP traffic DOES NOT generate sales. The only conclusion I can make is that people surfing TGP sites are only looking for free porn. Why BUY a membership when there are thousands and thousands more free thumbnails to click on? I've had similar results with posting pics in the newsgroups. Although newsgroup postings tend to convert slightly better than than TGPs, they're still a waste of time if you're promoting a pay site. But don't get me wrong, I understand that TGP site owners are just trying to make a buck, like I am. I support their right to exist, but they're definitely not doing me any good and they probably never will.

dada

03-11-2002, 10:03 PM

Tgp's are around since the interenet started, and befroe the internet browsers porn was free on BBS. Why ? becasue that's what the internet is all about : THE FREE STUFF it's icq, and free email, free sever, free sites, free music, free movies, free ibfo, and free porn. TGP's are cool, I own a few myself, and I also surf tgp' alot, they kick ass! ------------------------ dada <a href="http://www.adultwebmastersoftware.com" target="_blank">http://www.adultwebmastersoftware.com</a>

jmbrown1881

03-11-2002, 10:06 PM

This is such bullshit, many of you fuckers have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Look at the world, yeah it might be true TGP's cut into your profits and all, but like at the music industry...napster came along and scared em...then when they got the plug taken out...many more came into place fo napster..guess what?..CD sells have gone up my friend....they are not doing good now because we are in a recession and all but you have to fight against competition. What if millions of paysites sprouted up. What would your loser ass do then. Comp for surfers money would then be hard as fuck my dear loser. Learn to compete and stop blaming others who can make a living and provide a better service (free high quality pic and movies) for your own lazy unthoughtful ideas to change the industry. Maybe you should blame your grandparents for giving birth to your parents who cut the foreskin off your dick when you were born God you fuckers that blame tgp are such losers that you cannot think on your own and try to counter your problems with solutions. GOD DAMN LAZY WELFARE MINDED FUCKERS. always want something the easy way. SCREW YOU AND YOUR PAYSITE for blaming tgp's. GET AN IDEA. I would have much more respect for you if you came up with a solution to your problem rather than cry about.

quotealex

03-11-2002, 10:33 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Terrance11: nic>> cj sites are dead <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Aren't most TGP nothing more than a "CJ" with content? Most of them shave hits and have misleading links. imho.

keyman

03-12-2002, 12:09 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> This is such bullshit, many of you fuckers have no idea what the hell you are talking about. <hr /></blockquote>No sir, let me assure you that you're the one who doesn't have a clue. This industry revolves around paysites whether they be dialers, AVSes or membership sites. The galleries that people work hard on and fit bandwidth bills for, are designed to advertise paysites. TGPs are nothing without these galleries. TGP owners may feel safe with all the gallery submissions they're getting, but let me point something out. With the amount of auto submitters/replicators out there, your TGP is getting the exact same galleries as the next TGP. This doesn't necessarily mean there is an abundance of galleries out there. It could all turn on its head quite easily. If you don't address these problems then eventually there will be no more TGPs, simple. It is already being pushed to its limits by gallery makers having to get over 50,000 TGP hits to make it even a slight profit. You find me a TGP which is run and paid for by someone not interested in making any form of profit and I'll withdraw my comments and accept defeat. <blockquote>quote:<hr /> but like at the music industry...napster came along and scared em...then when they got the plug taken out...many more came into place fo napster..guess what?..CD sells have gone up my friend....they are not doing good now because we are in a recession and all but you have to fight against competition. <hr /></blockquote>Do you really believe that, honestly? Whether CD sales are up, down or round the corner you can't justify stealing. The RIAA didn't buy this argument and neither should you.

CumSensei

03-12-2002, 02:07 AM

Terrance11: Im not sure if I just did this right but with a CJ at the size of 200K a day you could make 6K$ everyday on selling your exit... Correct me people if I did this wrong. <img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" />

Muff

03-12-2002, 03:01 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by CumSensei: Terrance11: Im not sure if I just did this right but with a CJ at the size of 200K a day you could make 6K$ everyday on selling your exit... Correct me people if I did this wrong. <img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>You did ok. but you missed a zero. it would be $600 at .03 and if you can show me a sponor that will count every exit and not 30% Ill pop some CJ's up.

AgentCash

03-12-2002, 03:23 AM

Is that some new-fangled math? 200,000 x $0.03 = $6000, last I checked. Figure they only count 30%? That'd still be $1800 a day... Lets say you used <a href="http://php.offshoreclicks.com/cgi-bin/ref.cgi?obsidius" target="_blank">offshoreclicks</a>... 200,000 x $0.0035 = $700 or counting only 30% = $210 Not a bad deal if you ask me.

toker

03-12-2002, 03:53 AM

Not a bad deal but you wont have many bookmarks or surfers to eager to return after they get stuck in that popup hell. So keeping that 200k daily wont last very long after you add the nice code and make a few bucks.

fishy

03-12-2002, 04:03 AM

Hmm guys, a personal question, only answer if u are ok with it, others just ignore <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> How much money do u make with your CJ site? thx <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

Terrance11

03-12-2002, 04:19 AM

blind, I think what you're not realizing is that people are making money building galleries. People don't sit up and work all day building and submitting galleries to make the surfer happy. One phase of this industry will always hurt another phase. Are you going to give up using dialers, cause they're hurting the industry pretty bad themeselves. If someone's making money at what they're doing, they're not going to give it up to allow everyone else make more money. quote, a cj site with content can be considered a tgp or a cj. But if you're tgp doesn't have a good following of bookmarkers, it's even more worthless than a regular (contentless) cj site...

DamageX

03-12-2002, 04:45 AM

Hornication, how about some special TGP2 deals? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> I can tell you one thing, as opposed to the bandwidth-sucking TGP traffic, you will get sales from TGP2. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

blind

03-12-2002, 06:59 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jmbrown1881: This is such bullshit, many of you fuckers have no idea what the hell you are talking about. <hr /></blockquote>I'm going to have to agree that you are the one who doesn't know what you are talking about. Without Paysites or someone charging for porn, whether it be dialers, ifriends, whatever... you would basically be running a porn FAN SITE, not a personal adult webmaster profit-creating BUSINESS. Honestly, where do you think your adult webmaster pay checks come from? A horder of free-seeking surfers? Yeah that makes sense... <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Terrance11: blind, I think what you're not realizing is that people are making money building galleries. People don't sit up and work all day building and submitting galleries to make the surfer happy. <hr /></blockquote>Terrance11, I know that gallery-makers are in it for the money, I just wish more of them would switch over to TGP 2's 1)It's easier to get listed. 2)You can have dirtier galleries. 3)The traffic converts better. 4)If enough people did, TGPs would maybe stop getting off of themselves with their dictorial "don't make my surfers leave my site" rules.

oil

03-12-2002, 08:32 AM

....... after reading one hour this big thread, I agree to blind by 100000000000000 <img border="0" alt="[Nod]" title="" src="graemlins/nod.gif" /> 0 %

jmbrown1881

03-12-2002, 08:33 AM

i do not know what i am doing?..lol thats funny you said that, I only get about 1200 hits a day.. i make my own galleries that i post on my own TGP with my sponsers ( MY OWN AVS and a email collector) and make about 15 signups on avs and about 45 email submissions a day. Who else can get that on 1200 hits on a TGP trading with TGP's?... almost no one. Thanks So i am ahead of the game on most i think. i save money on bandwidth.. make my own galleries...and keep all the profits. I think i know what I am doing, and I have only be a webmaster for a total of 8 months. From not knowing anything about adult webmaster or even html to this. again, THANKS

katdaddy

03-12-2002, 09:14 AM

"It would be wonderful if all the tgp's would quit and do something else <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> " damn did I say that outloud ooh well doh! Also what else is there to do once all the tgps are gone? Im curious what else is there to do? do u really think all the free porn would dry up because of the tgp etc? just curious katdaddy pixxxel.org

quotealex

03-12-2002, 11:37 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DamageX: Hornication, how about some special TGP2 deals? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> I can tell you one thing, as opposed to the bandwidth-sucking TGP traffic, you will get sales from TGP2. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Yeah but to make money off TGP2, you have to make your galleries or send blind links to your sponsors.

quotealex

03-12-2002, 11:52 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by blind: I know that gallery-makers are in it for the money, I just wish more of them would switch over to TGP 2's <hr /></blockquote>I've heard alot of gallery makers complain about TGP2 owners practice. They seem to shave a bit too much hits (i.e. blind links that goes to their trades and not your gallery) and listing too many of their own galleries.

chimp

03-12-2002, 12:27 PM

Do you realize, though, how sick and tired surfers get of crappy TGP galleries? Contrary to what you may think, even people who visit the hun and al4a don't stay there very long before finally breaking down and whipping out their credit cards. I have a lot of civilian(non-webmaster) friends who have all told me this. No one gets off on bottom of the barrel porn for very long. You just have to catch these guys at the right time and know how to convert them. Beat them down and let them know there's no other option for them than to buy a membership to get what they want. Yeah, a lot of people would NEVER buy a membership to a pay site, but that would be the case with or without TGPs. Instead of complaining about how much TGPs suck, adapt and learn how to make a living off of them.

quotealex

03-12-2002, 12:38 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by quotealex: <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by blind: I know that gallery-makers are in it for the money, I just wish more of them would switch over to TGP 2's <hr /></blockquote>I've heard alot of gallery makers complain about TGP2 owners practice. They seem to shave a bit too much hits (i.e. blind links that goes to their trades and not your gallery) and listing too many of their own galleries.<hr /></blockquote>shave = skim. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> sorrry for that

Dreamer

03-12-2002, 12:45 PM

Noone will shut down his tgp,but you can start slowly reducing free content. For example you could no accept gallerys with more then 15 pics, then later not accept gallerys with more then 10 pics but you shouldn't go to low since you have to give them some teaser stuff so they get excited and buy membership. I'm doing same thing on my movie site. I don't accept movie gallerys which have a lot movies in it, or movie gallerys which have 5-10MB movies. Maybe it's strange for some of you but I also don't accept very clean gallerys (this are gallerys with 2-10 movies and maybe on little sponsor banner). I want all of us to earn some and I choosed this way. I'm earning descent amount of money with my tactic and increasing it so I guess it's positive for now. Guy who runs that big tgp complained on this board that he isn't earning $ on it and he has 300 000 hits. Well I hope other super clean tgp will follow his way in not earning any $ and bancroting. I'll convert their surfers to paying surfers, it takes some time, but I don't plan going anywhere. P.S. Bookmarks are good, respect them, give them quality free content in small amounts and they will pay.

Brian911

03-12-2002, 01:04 PM

noone will shut down his tgp? what if they dont make enough money anymore and are fucking sick of working for trades, galleries and their bandwith-sucking surfers all day? when the tgps are down, I am ready to try out new concepts. no matter if this will be in 1 month, 6 months or 6 years.

DamageX

03-12-2002, 01:32 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Brian911: when the tgps are down, I am ready to try out new concepts. no matter if this will be in 1 month, 6 months or 6 years.<hr /></blockquote>Why wait for them to go down when you can get a head-start by trying something different now? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

Terrance11

03-12-2002, 01:51 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Brian911: when the tgps are down, I am ready to try out new concepts. no matter if this will be in 1 month, 6 months or 6 years.<hr /></blockquote>Good luck, tgp's won't ever go down, a lot may die out, but they'll never be gone for good. Most of the big ones will be around for a lot longer than 6 years <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />

Kappy

03-12-2002, 02:00 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Dreamer: I'm doing same thing on my movie site. I don't accept movie gallerys which have a lot movies in it, or movie gallerys which have 5-10MB movies. Maybe it's strange for some of you but I also don't accept very clean gallerys (this are gallerys with 2-10 movies and maybe on little sponsor banner). I want all of us to earn some and I choosed this way. I'm earning descent amount of money with my tactic and increasing it so I guess it's positive for now. <hr /></blockquote>Amen <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

katdaddy

03-12-2002, 02:12 PM

down with tgp's! and free sites! hehe we discuss this every year did u know that? Seems like its a cycle about free sites being good or bad D: katdaddy pixxxel.org

Jimbo

03-12-2002, 02:17 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by SpyCam: nice story <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> it's just what i have in my own practics: i started from xxx passwords sites, then made CJ2 sites and now i have TGP sites and making new projects (AVS, BBS, Paysites) and after my evolution was going on my proffit was growing too.... so it isn't that bad for me.....<hr /></blockquote>thats quite my story too as you know, but add the CJ part to it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> Jimbo

Brian911

03-12-2002, 02:39 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DamageX: [QUOTE]Why wait for them to go down when you can get a head-start by trying something different now? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>I wait because I CAN wait. Some "adult webmasters" who started 6 months ago are gone now because there are no "quick bucks" for every newbie webmaster here anymore.. the business changed a lot, and I even see some of the people I considered to be "big players" getting hectic, hitting the panic button, selling and trying their luck somewhere else as long as they still make good profit and can sell their projects for good money. after all I can say that I am really lucky not having put "all my eggs in one basket" like mentioned before

Jimbo

03-12-2002, 02:48 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Terrance11: <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Royale: How come no one complains about newsgroups, thats where the real free porn lurkers go, not tgps.<hr /></blockquote>yeah, just like lolita is cp, and that it's illegal to take galleries off other people's tgps... <img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>well real surfers uses softwares to leech newsgroups and websites, go on kazaa and morpheus, visits xxx passwords sites, go on IRC for FTP with pics, trades them with other perv friends. Want them to buy? forget it! I agree with Dan S, we have to get things better instead of going backward... TGPs are fucking nothing compared to everything above... TGP surfers are still newbies in porn industry! I also really doubt the surfer really enjoys surfing most of the TGPs around wich uses 70% or less content <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> and personally, I think that all paysites looks the same and alot of them uses same content... Gauge is everywhere; not to name others! It's funny that iFriends popped out cause this one is really different! Seems like it's doing good for alot of people too <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

Terrance11

03-12-2002, 02:55 PM

I used to file swap porn 4-5 years before I ever became a webmaster. Of course that was back when everyone had dial up. It took 2 minutes to trade a single pic, and the concept of "trading" well it didn't work to well cause one person could send you porn, but it doesn't guarantee that person would get anything in return. Expert porn surfers are on tgp's, you just have to know how to convert that type of traffic.

Jimbo

03-12-2002, 04:03 PM

simple bro when I surf porn I don'T go on TGP <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

Jimbo

03-12-2002, 04:05 PM

and it's more movie related the trades right now

a2000

03-12-2002, 06:15 PM

heh, next topic, that forces me to write one name <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Darwin <img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" />

jmbrown1881

03-12-2002, 06:35 PM

First of all, let me say I have much respect for you webmasters that have been in this biz over 2 years, you must know what you are doing to have survived this long. For those of you that say TGP's are ruining the industry...take a look at this for a minute We all know, people want free stuff, come on admit it....no matter what it is, if it is free we will take it..be it free beer, free food, free car, or free porn. It doesnt take a minor in marketing (which I have) to understand that the person with free stuff is the most popular. Where does this free content come from?...Think hard... The sponsers mainly, and who are the largest, most popluar sponsers PAYSITES! You guys with paysites give us TGP's owners the free content and then give it to gallery builders that give it to TGP's also. So what the hell are you crying about...you started this whole damn TGP thing anyway! You f*%king morons, then you wanna cry about your own mess with the spilled milk you poured? Maybe you should stop giving away free content to gallery builders if you want to solve the problem, then they would have to pay for content to build galleries..which would cut alot of people out of this biz. FOOLS! My TGP makes me money. I will not share my secrets, but FREE is the way to make it. I use a FREE AVS that pays me 15 dollars per signup that is free. I use a free email collector that makes me 1 dollar per signup... the surfers see that this is free, what would stop them from signing up? nothing. I make my own galleries and push my free avs and email system... I use the free content from these sponsers. I also push a selected few paysites on my TGP and galleries..Again i use the FREE content from these PAYSITE sponsers to build the galleries..and then promote it on my sites and others too. Most of you that complain about TGP's have one, maybe two sites..you have a "link in the chain" where i have a "chain link fence".. you dont know how to use the TGP to your advantage. You stick with paysite or cj....I have a complete traffic system... A small CJ, TGP, AVS, toplist, Link List, and soon a paysite... I am able to filter my traffic where I best see fit..you cannot, so you cry and blame TGP's for your problem. That is how I am able to make money off 1200 hits on my TGP, because it is filtered from my other sites. I provide a TGP that is free of pop-up, blind links, and bullshit the rest of you put on yours. This builds confidence and trust to my surfers, and they come back again and again...when i have their trust and respect, I pop my sponser ads on them (my AVS) and they go "gee, this guy has a quality site, now he has a free avs..i wanna join" all because my reputation for having a great TGP makes them believe I have a great AVS too. I have grown from 3 suferes a day to 1200 in a few months with only a few trades, I wont to grow at a slow pace so i can keep track of eveything...why grow larger when i make good money as it is? I am still growing too, I predict by then end of this month to be at 2000. Iget a lot more hits from my cj, toplist, and linklist sites that filter to the TGP.I know this is not alot...but I have quality traffic, people that really want to be here, not people that thought they were going to see 10 short movies of a blonde being boned by a large black dick, and tricked to coming to my site...which are then pissed off and leave my site, giving me nothing but a higher bandwidth bill. Quality is where it is on TGP's, not traffic In my words, CJ's killed the porn industry if you are suffering. I started as a porn surfer in 1995...nothing but paysites and cj's.. i used search engines to find porn..all i got was shit. so 8 monrhs ago I contacted a webmaster and he taught me a few valuable lessons about the biz, now i make great "part time" money. crappy Cj's and the HUN as a role model made me wanna start a quality free site as a hobby really.... for me to was to enjoy the free porn out there mostly, but hell it turned into much more when i started getting paid and being diversified with more sites. I believe TGP's and Cj's will die soon...just an honest observation with my background in marketing. Broadband is the future, will you cry about broadband like you do about TGP's and Kazza becuase you can not keep up with the times? Broadband will rule, no one will want the crappy pics on TGP's when they can get a full lenght movie or live shows/feeds from a broaband site. I rather watch the worst porn on film then read a penthouse. Come on , stop being stupid and wake up. Stop blaming others like me that are smarter, more talented, and YOUNGER that can beat you at your own game and get a solution. I also feel with broadband that more Flash sites will be available...and now with Falsh MX coming out..if you aint with it, you'll be left behind like the ford Edsel. I am glad for this, because I have been learning Flash along with c++ at my own pace and I am dieing to open a flash/broadband site that will lead the industry soon. I hope to provide a FREE Broadband friendly site to surfers, I dont care if I make money from it now... this started as a hobby, not a career. I plan on my college education to start my own biz..I will continue to do this without aspirations for "getting rich overnight" from porn. I have a another life that supports me. Too bad many of you want to blame tgp's when you can use them to filter your traffic if you build a quality site, to many blind/jerk TGP's out there ruin the better TGP's, but dont blame us for your uncreative, unproductive ways that are now losing you money. I hope you go broke really..more money for me. I dont need you in this biz anyway, i make my own galleries and now I am actually getting my own content too...so why do i need paysites now? I dont need thier content anymore, i dont need galleries from other people, and i dont need them crying on this board. For those webmasters that have been here for awhile, i am sorry that you feel this way, i really respect some of you out there...but you should have known change was coming and you either have to join the crowd or pave your own solution. Many of you webmasters act like you are on welfare, crying and blaming others for you problems when if you get off yor ass and work at it, you can make some real money again. I hope those of you that are too lazy to learn from this post go bankrupt within the year and collect food stamps. And if this whole biz does go down by slim chance?...I wont be affected..like I said earlier, this is "part time" work for me, I use the money I make to go to college and pay expenses for school..I have a another job as well that I depend on. The more I am in this biz though, the more I want to work it. I am opening my own company soon after school where I will do marketing for models. Maybe I can use this company for "content" to sell to webmasters. Just another way to diversify and make more money. Damn I feel sorry for you one site paysite owners. This is a great industry, dont ruin it with your whinning. This industry has helped me learn so much about business, design, making money, and marketing on the web..I have also paid for school this year, paid off my alot of my small debt and made alot of friends, all in 8 months..no other biz that I know of can do this..except illegal drug trafficing. 1. TGP's are not the problem, the sponser (paysites) that give free content away are, along with cj's that pissed surfers like me off so that i would make my own sites. 2. Learn to adapt to new changes 3. Quality TGP's make money, not these crappy TGP's that are really blind/jerk around sites that bring the industry down like the crappy Cj's 4. Have a "chain link fence" traffic solution to filter your traffic, not a "link in the chain" 5. Dont blame others for your incompetence 6.I dont want you taking my tax money when you are on welfare, so dont fuck around. 7. Broadband is the next evolution, along with Flash and other high speed products. 8. TGP's along with Cj's will die soon when Broadband hits...surfers are smart ( I was a long time porn surfer before being an adult webmaster) and know that search engines are crooked and ask for money for top spots. The surfers know that all the "good free porn" are in TGP's, and those free sites that are Broadband friendly will steam roll ahead in the next few years as more people upgrade. Just look at how many people still use the 800x600 screen size and how many people still use ie 5?...still a few do, but more people are switching to larger screens and ie 6..same will happen with broadband. No Virgina, TGP's are not killing the industry...its the greedy, worthless, uncreative webmasters that dont change and blame other people when they give away free content from their paysite to give to gallery builders who give it to TGP's. And those of you that promote free dialers, go to hell free dialer people are the worst scum on earth, I have seen many Dailer promoters put FREE in their advertisements, this type of bullshit is what got my little brother a 400 phone bill. Go to hell you FREE dialer people and whinny lamers in the adult biz. And all of you that had a smart ass comment for my earlier post in this thread, f you and your mom. Your the guys that really make me sick...people that ride coattails in here and have no drive or education. You think you can "act" like a big webmaster and all you are is trailer trash from nevada. Your just like some high school kids that got rejected from a junior college and tried to make it in porn and failed..so you post in this board to make yourself feel important. Go down the street and help your child molesting uncle get his camero off those concrete blocks and do something for the world for once instead of thinking of yourself. For those that still disagree and want to argue with me email me and we can talk. youralamer@aol.com

katdaddy

03-12-2002, 06:52 PM

U tell em JMBrown hell yea! wowo actually this guy gave away some advise if u read the post in its entirety hmmmm my mouths zipped ..... katdaddy <a href="http://www.pixxxe.org" target="_blank">PIXXXEL.ORG</a>

manga

03-12-2002, 07:35 PM

JMBrown, I'm not saying I disagree with some of the stuff you said. Sure broadband is the future, that's obvious, and you should always be divirsifying and filtering your traffic. The thing you don't seem to understand is the people complaining here are not complaining because they are not making money. They are complaining because they have been in this game long enough to see a significant drop in conversions. You say you make "great part-time money" well that's good for you. A lot of people here, however, are doing this full time and making small fortunes doing it. Don't get confused. Everyone here is making money, good money. We're just trying to find solutions to getting the profitability back to where it was a couple years ago. And yes, the fact that there are 100 times more TGPs now is a big part of the problem.

jmbrown1881

03-12-2002, 07:48 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by manga: JMBrown, I'm not saying I disagree with some of the stuff you said. Sure broadband is the future, that's obvious, and you should always be divirsifying and filtering your traffic. The thing you don't seem to understand is the people complaining here are not complaining because they are not making money. They are complaining because they have been in this game long enough to see a significant drop in conversions. You say you make "great part-time money" well that's good for you. A lot of people here, however, are doing this full time and making small fortunes doing it. Don't get confused. Everyone here is making money, good money. We're just trying to find solutions to getting the profitability back to where it was a couple years ago. And yes, the fact that there are 100 times more TGPs now is a big part of the problem.<hr /></blockquote>I do understand that, i am just upset alot of webmaster are quick to point at TGP's when the fact is they (paysite owners) give out the free content, and the cj fans just fuck with the surfers and piss them off. The reason there are more TGP's are why?.. Nobody coming into this biz wants a CJ becuase they probably surfed porn and got jerked around too...And yes they want to make a quicj buck so they do TGP... but they cant do it if no free content from the paysite guys! Stop the free content, not the TGP's then you will see solution

jmbrown1881

03-12-2002, 07:49 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by manga: JMBrown, I'm not saying I disagree with some of the stuff you said. Sure broadband is the future, that's obvious, and you should always be divirsifying and filtering your traffic. The thing you don't seem to understand is the people complaining here are not complaining because they are not making money. They are complaining because they have been in this game long enough to see a significant drop in conversions. You say you make "great part-time money" well that's good for you. A lot of people here, however, are doing this full time and making small fortunes doing it. Don't get confused. Everyone here is making money, good money. We're just trying to find solutions to getting the profitability back to where it was a couple years ago. And yes, the fact that there are 100 times more TGPs now is a big part of the problem.<hr /></blockquote>I do understand that, i am just upset alot of webmaster are quick to point at TGP's when the fact is they (paysite owners) give out the free content, and the cj fans just fuck with the surfers and piss them off. The reason there are more TGP's are why?.. Nobody coming into this biz wants a CJ becuase they probably surfed porn and got jerked around too...And yes they want to make a quicj buck so they do TGP... but they cant do it if no free content from the paysite guys! Stop the free content, not the TGP's then you will see solution

Martin1

03-12-2002, 08:04 PM

Hey guys.. I didn't read the whole thread but, I'll tell ya I've seen this being said a thousand times.. TGP's are not killing the industry.. You want to make money off these TGP's stop pushing the same BS cookie cutter paysites.. Sell exclusive shit.. Exclusive content.. TGP's have the same ass tired content pushing the same old shit.. Be different. Look at what the heard of sheep are doing and do something different.. Surfers can only jerk off to the same fucking pictures on the TGP's before it get stale for them.. Thousands of TGP surfers buy memberships daily.. Think outside the box! Anyway nuff said.. PS These are the assholes that are a threat to this industry.. <a href="http://www.shemalecenters.com/Index-2.asp" target="_blank">http://www.shemalecenters.com/Index-2.asp</a> and <a href="http://www.df.ru/~tmd/passwords.txt" target="_blank">http://www.df.ru/~tmd/passwords.txt</a> Peace

blind

03-12-2002, 09:30 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jmbrown1881: Where does this free content come from?...Think hard... The sponsers mainly, and who are the largest, most popluar sponsers PAYSITES! You guys with paysites give us TGP's owners the free content and then give it to gallery builders that give it to TGP's also. So what the hell are you crying about...you started this whole damn TGP thing anyway! You f*%king morons, then you wanna cry about your own mess with the spilled milk you poured? Maybe you should stop giving away free content to gallery builders if you want to solve the problem, then they would have to pay for content to build galleries..which would cut alot of people out of this biz. FOOLS! <hr /></blockquote>Actually, most serious gallery makers get their own exclusive content. Affiliate content is hated by many TGP webmasters and isn't unique at all... As for the free email and AVS's Do you honestly think that these companies would be giving out free shit if they weren't making money off of them through PaySites? Not only do AVS's make money by gaining members and traffic... IF they don't rip the subscriber off with the 30-day fine-line membership to a PAYSITE then they still have the AVS surfer to browse their ads. Have you ever even seen a "free porn in your email" membership? The entire email is a bunch of sponsor ads (and by sponsor I mean PAYSITE) A TGP however (whether it be a pic or movie post), DOES give away FREE porn, thus dragging a surfer far far away from Paying money or even giving credit card information for an AVS to get something they can already get with the click of their mouse. The majority of surfers just want to see something that makes them get off. Once they get off, they are happy they didn't have to pay for it...

Martin1

03-12-2002, 09:35 PM

blind, I know more than one webmaster that has gotten rich off TGP's so your theory is fucking worthless IMHO...

blind

03-12-2002, 09:45 PM

Martin. What the hell are you talking about? I didn't say noone can make money off of TGP's My concern is, they are draggin their own, and everyone elses conversion ratio's to hell. I don't think a single TGP webmaster can say that his conversion ratio has actually increased over the past couple of years... NOT number of signups, CONVERSION RATIO By the way, Here is an example of what you get in your email every day after joining TeenMail4Free <img src="http://www.free-celeb-center.com/example.jpg" alt="" />

keyman

03-12-2002, 10:16 PM

blind, don't waste your breath. It appears some people are ready to post without reading what has been said, and in some cases resort to belittlement to support their opinions.

playa

03-12-2002, 10:33 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Martin1: PS These are the assholes that are a threat to this industry.. <a href="http://www.shemalecenters.com/Index-2.asp" target="_blank">http://www.shemalecenters.com/Index-2.asp</a> and <a href="http://www.df.ru/~tmd/passwords.txt" target="_blank">http://www.df.ru/~tmd/passwords.txt</a> Peace<hr /></blockquote>man,,, alot of them passwords worked,,, all i can say is 90% of paysites suck in the members area,,hehe,, i seen TGPs that are way better than that

keyman

03-12-2002, 10:43 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by playa: man,,, alot of them passwords worked,,, all i can say is 90% of paysites suck in the members area,,hehe,, i seen TGPs that are way better than that<hr /></blockquote>Alot of passwords on sites like that aren't actually paysites, its a good way to get some crap traffic. Set up a fake members area and hand out heaps of passwords then redirect them with some blind links in the 'members area'. Unsure if it works well anymore. It did a few years ago.

slickroyale

03-12-2002, 11:00 PM

Keyman, upselling free password traffic is difficult but can work. Terrance, I know newsgroups that have entire paysite member sections, not galleries, folks like Bikini Voyeur and Lightspeed are sites that are hit the hardest, I run a few amateur girl sites, and these girls find their entire galleries in Yahoo newgroups, so yes newsgroups would be a problem, but you seem quick to piss so, nevermind. <img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" /> read.

playa

03-12-2002, 11:03 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by keyman: Alot of passwords on sites like that aren't actually paysites, its a good way to get some crap traffic. Set up a fake members area and hand out heaps of passwords then redirect them with some blind links in the 'members area'. Unsure if it works well anymore. It did a few years ago.<hr /></blockquote>i ain't an idiot,, i know the difference between fake and real,,,, and i am telling you it sucks,,, some of the paysites need to implement the same idea as TGP does,,,, i would love the idea of like a TGP3,,,submit galleries to paysites <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

PeepNTom

03-12-2002, 11:25 PM

tgp3 hmmmmm could this be the tiny beginnings of that concept <img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" />

AgentCash

03-12-2002, 11:27 PM

Would you guys hurry up and roll out tgp3 & tgp4??? I'm still sitting on tgp5.com <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

manga

03-12-2002, 11:47 PM

Why not just charge surfers for access to TGPs? That would solve the free porn dilemma. I know, I know, I'm dreaming <img border="0" alt="[Sleeping]" title="" src="graemlins/sleeping.gif" />

playa

03-12-2002, 11:50 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by manga: Why not just charge surfers for access to TGPs? That would solve the free porn dilemma. I know, I know, I'm dreaming <img border="0" alt="[Sleeping]" title="" src="graemlins/sleeping.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>this is a very good concept,,, there is way to upsell your TGP traffic to a more surfer friendly members area,,, like no blind links,, no banners,, charge a very low fee of under $10 a month or even a email membership,,, i believe easypics is doing this concept

manga

03-13-2002, 12:00 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by playa: this is a very good concept,,, there is way to upsell your TGP traffic to a more surfer friendly members area,,, like no blind links,, no banners,, charge a very low fee of under $10 a month or even a email membership,,, i believe easypics is doing this concept<hr /></blockquote>It just makes sense to do this. Get something out of the surfer in exchange for all that porn, even if it's just an email. Great way to weed out the freeloaders who just burn your bandwidth and buy nothing too. Do you have a url for Easypic's pay TGP?

Terrance11

03-13-2002, 01:35 AM

<img border="0" alt="[Sleeping]" title="" src="graemlins/sleeping.gif" /> don't agree with you royale. The industry is kicking itself in more ways than one blind. If it's not tgp's that are killing the profits of others, it's dialers, or exit killers... In the end, it's too much competition...

slickroyale

03-13-2002, 04:47 AM

Terrance youre saying you dont agree with me that newsgroups are full of free porn? Youre saying people can't join Yahoo groups and get 200 megs of Videos and Free pics? What internet do you surf? LOL

Terrance11

03-13-2002, 06:05 AM

<img border="0" alt="[Sleeping]" title="" src="graemlins/sleeping.gif" /> didn't you say you were in this biz for 5 years royale, it sure doesn't seem that way <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />

diesel

03-13-2002, 06:12 AM

I see alot of paysites that their members area looks worse then TGP sites and this definitely damages surfers trust towards his next purchase. IMHO, if you cannot have your work done with a best quality it will be better if you dont start it at all.. Just my 2 € ...

Tasefulbabes

03-13-2002, 06:15 AM

Royale, I'm really sure you've been in this biz for 5 years. Newsgroups are shit, you can get more free porn surfing the hun for 1 day, then you can get at a newsgroup in 1 year. Most of these newsgroup surfers probably think the hun is some kind of village.

DamageX

03-13-2002, 06:34 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Tasefulbabes: Newsgroups are shit, you can get more free porn surfing the hun for 1 day, then you can get at a newsgroup in 1 year.<hr /></blockquote>Yup, I agree, the porn you find on traditional newsgroups if entirely worthless, although obviously not to everyone, as newsgroups are still heavily populated.

slickroyale

03-13-2002, 06:56 AM

Nah, I landed my job for VCA in 97 so its almost been 5, but you wouldnt even know who VCA is would you little jerk? <img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" />

CumSensei

03-13-2002, 07:00 AM

Blind: I can say for my site cumdojo.com my conversion ratio have inproved over the last year or so, im now down to like 1:200 on all my sponsors and thats making me happy <img border="0" alt="[Bounce]" title="" src="graemlins/bounce.gif" /> However I would love to start up a few CJ sites and got one made right now and will feed it.. The problem is to find good peopel to trade with and to fix how the sponsors and what sponsors will be used. I never done this before so any help will be thankfull. icq:20231065 I will feed it with like 10K of traffic for a few days to get it going and then maby like 2K a day. <img border="0" alt="[Ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/ouch.gif" />

slickroyale

03-13-2002, 07:00 AM

Also, so youre saying this newsgroup list doesnt bring you to alot of free shit hahahaha I never said it was quality, but I was saying there are hordes of it, at least on tgp's you can get some money for it, I shoot my own content and hate to see it turn up in full gallery form in newsgroups, wouldnt you? <a href="http://www.terra.es/personal8/onlyteens/alt.htm" target="_blank">http://www.terra.es/personal8/onlyteens/alt.htm</a>

keyman

03-13-2002, 07:08 AM

That isn't what this thread is about. Like alot of my friends say "Why pay, when there is so much free stuff out there?". CJ,CJ2,CJ/TGP and TGP2 owners started out with a good idea which helps the entire industry and themselves, that is that we have to instill into the users mind that pr0n aint really free. At the end of the line someone has to pay the models and photographers for photos/movies, someone has to design the site, someone has to pay for bandwidth and hosting bills. I'll blow jmbrown's comments right out the window by saying that he is indeed profiting from a revenue model perfectly calculated by the people above him, and it is a pay for content model which employs the most simplistic form of marketing known. When you have a product there are only two(2) things that attract a customer: 1) Higher quality. 2) Lesser price. A potential customer in our business can be considered a person who is ready to give his/her credit card number over in exchange for porn (or dialup) and that is the only revenue model we can count on. The high-quality free TGPs represents something that is very difficult to compete with and its a shame that a surfer probably doesn't have any idea abouts how many thousands of dollars went into creating a single days worth of TGP listings. Jmbrown, I have a few words for you, if you read this.. I'm not being righteous in any way, I'm saying this for your benefit, even though you tried to insult many of us. Your profit model works for you at the moment and that is great, but just remember that this industry is forever changing.. the guys/gals above you may not be able to offer money per email/free avs in the future because it may become unprofitable. The complaints we make are directly targetted at big tgps trying to show the surfers high quality for free. You say you're learning C++ etc, well.. I've been programming for 10 years, that is what I do.. I (and others) hardly deserve to be called trailer trash and something to do with welfare. Flash is not the future, surfers hate flash and, you can do yourself a big favour by learning C before you attempt C++. Knowing why you are programming object orientated code is much more important than even writing it.

Terrance11

03-13-2002, 07:25 AM

Royale, were you dropped on your head as a baby or something? Okay, I tried to end this argument with you cause I wanted to go back to work, but seems as if retards need an explanation before they shut up. I had been file swapping since back in 95' back when you were probably 13 years old. I used to file swap back in AOL chatrooms, cause a friend introduced me to it. These were back in the good ole' days of dial up, so swapping 5-6 pics would take about an hour. Biggest pain in the ass, but I did it cause it's the only way I knew how to get free porn. No advertisements... well if you knew anything about file swapping and newsgroups, it's a spammer's heaven. I remember I'd sit in aol chat rooms, and spam bots would run off the whole entire fucking time. If I'd click on them, I'd go to some shitty paysite. I didn't even realize that there was free porn on the net until 99'. Newsgroups are even worse, spammers live there all day long just so they can make an extra 20 bucks a day... horrible. The biggest newsgroup, other than maybe some of the big search engine's club forums is qqbabes.com. Please tell me what's the first thing you notice about that site... well maybe it's in FUCKING JAPANESE... Why is this, cause there's very few tgp's in Japanese, so people who speak that language free load on porn newsgroups instead. Why aren't there a lot of big english newsgroups, well may cause of fucking tgp's. I didn't even know what a tgp was until about 5 months after I had become a webmaster. I mostly worked with search engines, in fact, I remember finding gregpix.com and that was my first intro to tgp's in the first place... If I had known about them earlier, trust me, I wouldn't have spent 5 hours a week swapping pics in AOL chatrooms. And okay, I haven't been to any newsgroups, nor have I file swapped since back in 99', but the only real difference I can see is that these surfers have broadband, making shit a little quicker for them. I'm sure they're still filled with spammers, making it no less annoying then even tgp's that shave 50% of their galleries. I think you should go back to your day job at wal-mart Royale, cause there, at least, you won't need to use your brain (well as much as you do as a webmaster <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

jmbrown1881

03-13-2002, 07:32 AM

first of all the comment about trailer trash goies to those quick to make a comment that dont know what the hell they are talking about, and their are many on this board that i have seen in the past months, i wont name any names, but all of us know who they are. secondly, how can you saw flash is not the future?...with 98% of internet uses with the flash plugin?..come on (source from macromedia.com) Everybody loves a dynamic page...why do you think so many people are using DTHTL now...they use it becuase they cant work FLASH!! haha. Please,everyone I know loves interactive Flash sites over plain html. The people that hate it are the ones that have 386 hewlitt packards or Commodor 64's with 19k modems, or the people that cant work a design in Flash. Point is, you cannot get rid of the tgp model..only work around it. Those passwords too?..were they really fake. I seem alot of sites that i personlly have memberships too (for purposes of seeing what the competion has) that are right on the money in the members area. If they are fake, I know the ones that have the real amateur couples in them are really getting ripped off. tgp3 or 4..cj3 or 4 is not the damn answer. when the free content is gone, that is your solution...tgp's will turn into cj's basically. for those gallery builders that buy exclusive content ( a minority compared to the thousands of builder out there) they can give their galleries to a AVS or sell them to a paysite maybe. I wouldnt mind taking my own content and selling in a premade gallery form to a paysite for a low charge. the cahnge has to come from the top of the chain, not the bottom. start with the paysite and go down. why do you think shit rolls down hill?

Terrance11

03-13-2002, 07:39 AM

free porn isn't going away, ever. Mods please lock this stupid thread...

manga

03-13-2002, 10:26 AM

JMBrown, maybe it's because I'm a webmaster, but I really think Flash is useless. Sure, I like a nice Flash page as much as the next guy, but only for the first time I see it. After that it's boring. Also, for me it's a pain in the ass because I have ActiveX set on prompt so that I don't get screwed by some script kiddie. Shit, even the Flash banners on AWI are annoying. Moreover, from a webmaster's point of view, Flash is not good because you can't optimize properly for the search engines with it. If anything is the future it's things like XML not Flash. Just my 2 cents, I'm sure there are many who disagree.

*Kimmykim*

03-13-2002, 10:49 AM

Guess I'll throw my thoughts into the mix here... First and main problem with the whole thing? Free. Free pictures, free content, free hosting, free this, free that. ANYTHING FREE DOESNT PUT MONEY IN SOMEONE'S POCKET. Free trains the surfer to NOT pay for anything. There are too many people in this industry that don't have two nickels to rub together pretending to run a business. They use sponsors content, steal content, use free hosting, you name it. Then you add in the number of people that cheat their sponsors and everyone else they can and there's some more money out the door. If there were a way to restrict the use of content, by webmasters and surfers, and this way was relatively inexpensive, worked all the time and was readily available, guess what? People would start making money again. If you own a paysite, imagine this -- you get a trial surfer, he downloads your members area, and then cancels on trial. Well he's got all your pics now and there's nothing you can do about it. WHAT IF, tho, you could stop him from seeing those pics as soon as his trial was up and there was nothing he could do about it, short of reinstalling his OS, joining another trial to your site and getting the pics again for the time he was a member? If you run freesites, mailers, etc, think about this -- you send the surfer a movie clip or a picture series. He can view it once, five times, whatever. He can't give the pictures to anyone else because he can't save them on his hard drive, and you set all the parameters for viewing the images. Sound like utopia? Not really. There's some very interesting stuff coming from Microsoft this year that will allow webmasters to take control of the industry back from the freeloaders...

RaiDeN

03-13-2002, 11:37 AM

Kimmy > if you are sure that MS is working on something like that.. well they can save this business then. sounds good.

Tasefulbabes

03-13-2002, 11:44 AM

competition...

Muff

03-13-2002, 11:51 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by *Kimmykim*: Guess I'll throw my thoughts into the mix here... First and main problem with the whole thing? Free. Free pictures, free content, free hosting, free this, free that. ANYTHING FREE DOESNT PUT MONEY IN SOMEONE'S POCKET. Free trains the surfer to NOT pay for anything. There are too many people in this industry that don't have two nickels to rub together pretending to run a business. They use sponsors content, steal content, use free hosting, you name it. Then you add in the number of people that cheat their sponsors and everyone else they can and there's some more money out the door. If there were a way to restrict the use of content, by webmasters and surfers, and this way was relatively inexpensive, worked all the time and was readily available, guess what? People would start making money again. If you own a paysite, imagine this -- you get a trial surfer, he downloads your members area, and then cancels on trial. Well he's got all your pics now and there's nothing you can do about it. WHAT IF, tho, you could stop him from seeing those pics as soon as his trial was up and there was nothing he could do about it, short of reinstalling his OS, joining another trial to your site and getting the pics again for the time he was a member? If you run freesites, mailers, etc, think about this -- you send the surfer a movie clip or a picture series. He can view it once, five times, whatever. He can't give the pictures to anyone else because he can't save them on his hard drive, and you set all the parameters for viewing the images. Sound like utopia? Not really. There's some very interesting stuff coming from Microsoft this year that will allow webmasters to take control of the industry back from the freeloaders...<hr /></blockquote><img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> Got any more info I can read about this Kimmy?

basschick

03-13-2002, 11:56 AM

kimmykim, you always have interesting comments. on the other hand, consider a site with original content that updates 5 times a week. the members can't just download all the content - it is always changing. my best sponsors are those updating sites with fresh content. i have sponsors i haven't even promoted for years, and there are still members rebilling every month that (i checked this) go to these sites regularly. because they get new stuff all the time. i have one site i sell maybe 5 new memberships a month to, from old galleries or whatever. but i make $500 a month from that site from rebillers. the site owners update every other day like clockwork, full 100+ pic shoots that are exclusive to their site. i think that cookie cutter sites with the same look outside, and the exact same content inside has also hurt our business. it has jaded the surfers and bored them. let's face it - if a guy would have bought a paysite membership, my little 40k pics aren't going to satisfy him. i do wish most free hosts would just GO AWAY! they allow for more picture theft, more newbies that don't even study the situation, more galleries and sites that look awful and annoy the tgp webmasters, link list webmasters and the surfers - ARGH! if you aren't ready to spend a whopping $25 a month to host your free site, perhaps you just aren't ready period. just my opinion...

*Kimmykim*

03-13-2002, 12:32 PM

raiden, there should be a working demo very soon on the protection, the company that's developed it is an MS dev partner. They are actually going to be doing demos at <a href="http://thephoenixforum.com" target="_blank">http://thephoenixforum.com</a> as well -- and I'm going to play with it a bit myself I think -- when I'm ready, I'll get your email addy and send you so˜Ât sound? The biggest problem with retention is that the surfer can still get to the images for nothing if he's smart. You take that away from him, then he's got no choice <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

DamageX

03-13-2002, 01:59 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jmbrown1881: secondly, how can you saw flash is not the future?...with 98% of internet uses with the flash plugin?..come on (source from macromedia.com)<hr /></blockquote>Yeah, proof from the company that commercializes the vrey same plugin just got me sold on the hard fact. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <blockquote>quote:<hr />Everybody loves a dynamic page...why do you think so many people are using DTHTL now...they use it becuase they cant work FLASH!! haha.<hr /></blockquote>See manga's post above <blockquote>quote:<hr />The people that hate it are the ones that have 386 hewlitt packards or Commodor 64's with 19k modems, or the people that cant work a design in Flash.<hr /></blockquote>It's "Hewlett Packard" and "Commodore", Mr. Marketing Minor. I guess that says a lot about your college education, English isn't my native language but at least I have the decency to learn how to pronounce and write it correctly. <blockquote>quote:<hr />Those passwords too?..were they really fake. I seem alot of sites that i personlly have memberships too (for purposes of seeing what the competion has) that are right on the money in the members area.<hr /></blockquote>What, too afraid to admit that you whack off to porn pics on the web just like the average Joe surfer? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> Relax, it's not like people don't have other reasons for making fun of you. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <blockquote>quote:<hr />tgp3 or 4..cj3 or 4 is not the damn answer. when the free content is gone, that is your solution...tgp's will turn into cj's basically. for those gallery builders that buy exclusive content ( a minority compared to the thousands of builder out there) they can give their galleries to a AVS or sell them to a paysite maybe. I wouldnt mind taking my own content and selling in a premade gallery form to a paysite for a low charge. the cahnge has to come from the top of the chain, not the bottom. start with the paysite and go down. why do you think shit rolls down hill?<hr /></blockquote>Gee, hotshot, why don't you lead us on the right path? I know I've done something to lessen the free porn on the web, what have you done? Yeah, I forgot, you run your own TGP to which you post your own galleries, I'm sure that just cut the free porn on the web down by 50%. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> Competition? You ever heard about cartells? You know they are illegal? You know WHY they are illegal? I'll tell you why, because if all suppliers co-operate then they can fix prices and make more off the customer. And while few adult webmasters actually run their business in a firm/corporation form, fact remains that most are only doing this either part- or full-time, but out of their own homes and without having registered a firm. Furthermore, webmasters come from very different countries and there's only so far the FTC's arm can stretch. Want more money? WORK TOGETHER! Now go back to school and learn something, you ignorant fuck.

slickroyale

03-13-2002, 02:36 PM

Well Alot has changed since 99 Terrance, sorry you feel the "need to reply" which might explain your haste and belittlement. To which I need not reply. You assume I was 13 in 95, when I told you I worked for VCA/Babenet in 97, the level of intelligence never amazes me. So while you were downloading free porn in 95, I was helping start the term "live feeds." only 2 years ago, go build a gallery or "file swap." Damage, Keymen, great points.

slickroyale

03-13-2002, 02:41 PM

ago=later

Terrance11

03-13-2002, 03:09 PM

okay, newsgroups are the downfall of the porn industry. I think you're right royale, you're the man. You've been in the biz for 5 years, so what can I say... but I still think you were dropped on your head as a baby <img border="0" alt="[ROTFLMAO]" title="" src="graemlins/rotflmao.gif" />

slickroyale

03-13-2002, 03:33 PM

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> Well bro, Yahoo gives any newsgroup 30 megs of space for "images" which are available to anyone, without age restrictions unless applied. I run quite a few newsgroups to try and put a lid on content theives, if you knew me youd know I report stolen pics to folks like Bikini Voyeur and Lightspeed when I find entire Tawnee galleries in newsgroups. <img border="0" alt="[No No]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" /> I wasnt saying newsgroups were the blame, I was just saying how come no one mentions newsgroups when talking about this bullshit about the end of the Adult industry, its like the end of the world, every year same thing, just deal with the changes and keep up, if you cant, well, as we have seen in the past, you just slowly fade out, until the next guy with the new thing comes behind you. Id say big companies selling the same tired content to 1000's of webmasters everyday would be a problem, the surfers have gotten tired of *ahem Martix pics, quality is nice, but I do way better shooting my own pics, or buying amateur stuff elsewhere...now anyone can become an adult webmaster, as even you said you surfed porn on AOL then caught on,... I was lucky enough to get a job with a big company that was pushing the envelope, also my girlfriend worked for 2 other companies, which I will NOT name here. I remember when I first saw those damn Alison pics of her with the sunflowers blue n yellow... mmmmm.. I was actually going to join a site to see the full set, well a little over a week goes by, and shes all I see everywear, now I can buy the set for 35 bucks, well needlesstosay, I didnt join the site, id rather buy the set for 35 bucks, but then I participate in exploiting that photo set, making its "value" not quality go down. If there had not been 16 million people submitting Alison galleries to every tgp on the planet, I would have joined the site, so who is at fault, the TGP, or the guy who bought the pics, then posted 16 of the set on the TGP? These webmasters are all buying the same content from the same companies then bitch about not getting signups, LOL. I buy content from Phoenix, Pix Masters and Matrix and use them ALL, but I dont use that content for my signups, which is why some may not do well, sure Gauge is cute man, but everyones got her on the front door. It's all about how YOU can make it, not what the next guy is doin. yeah TGP's suck,blah blah blah , but seriously you guys think Hustler sat around thinking about guys "trading mags?" Fuck no, they went out and created barely Legal, then Swank or whatever else he owns, to constantly push the envelope. At one time, in 99, we ran feeds to over 15,000 websites a month, now you tell me how many times do they have to see the same girls before its time to move on, sorry but its alot bigger than "TGPs suck goat dick." Its beyond that. I said it then and I witness it now. Justdo what it takes to survive, but stick to your legends. What = What. Rethink. Expand. Repeat.

Terrance11

03-13-2002, 03:35 PM

I'm not going to read that long ass thread, just fuck off, I really don't give a fuck about you or anything you say. ciao

slickroyale

03-13-2002, 03:37 PM

In my best Yoda voice, "That is why you fail." <img border="0" alt="[ROTFLMAO]" title="" src="graemlins/rotflmao.gif" />

Terrance11

03-13-2002, 03:45 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Terrance11: okay, newsgroups are the downfall of the porn industry. I think you're right royale, you're the man. You've been in the biz for 5 years, so what can I say... but I still think you were dropped on your head as a baby <img border="0" alt="[ROTFLMAO]" title="" src="graemlins/rotflmao.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote> <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Royale: In my best Yoda voice, "That is why you fail." <img border="0" alt="[ROTFLMAO]" title="" src="graemlins/rotflmao.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>want to make an argument about you being dropped on your head, cause I already gave up arguing with you many posts again... <img border="0" alt="[ROTFLMAO]" title="" src="graemlins/rotflmao.gif" />

dada

03-13-2002, 03:47 PM

playa, I like your tgp3 idea <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> galleries for paysite, should be a killer converter. and it is true that paysites can gain alot form this concept... like 1000 galleries everyday, is a real updated site! no paysite update like the average tgp, and they should! allthough paysites owners, will probably not like the idea of sending the surfers away... I support TGP 3 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> ---------- dada <a href="http://www.adultwebmastersoftware.com" target="_blank">http://www.adultwebmastersoftware.com</a>

Terrance11

03-13-2002, 03:50 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by dada: playa, I like your tgp3 idea <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> galleries for paysite, should be a killer converter. and it is true that paysites can gain alot form this concept... like 1000 galleries everyday, is a real updated site! no paysite update like the average tgp, and they should! allthough paysites owners, will probably not like the idea of sending the surfers away... I support TGP 3 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> ---------- dada <a href="http://www.adultwebmastersoftware.com" target="_blank">http://www.adultwebmastersoftware.com</a><hr /></blockquote>holds your horses partner, wait until tgp 2 spreads it's wings, then you can talk about tgp 3 <img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" />

Joshua

03-13-2002, 03:54 PM

<img border="0" alt="[ROTFLMAO]" title="" src="graemlins/rotflmao.gif" /> playa, I was thinking of starting a site that is VERY similar to what you stated a 'TGP3' should be like. <img border="0" alt="[Bounce]" title="" src="graemlins/bounce.gif" />

Terrance11

03-13-2002, 03:57 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by CumSensei: Terrance11: Im not sure if I just did this right but with a CJ at the size of 200K a day you could make 6K$ everyday on selling your exit... Correct me people if I did this wrong. <img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>nope

Terrance11

03-13-2002, 04:22 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Royale: How come no one complains about newsgroups, thats where the real free porn lurkers go, not tgps.<hr /></blockquote> <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Royale: I wasnt saying newsgroups were the blame, I was just saying how come no one mentions newsgroups when talking about this bullshit about the end of the Adult industry.<hr /></blockquote>And I was saying that newsgroups are where the "real free porn lurkers go" I think sextracker will atest to that <img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" />

Terrance11

03-13-2002, 04:24 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Terrance11: I think sextracker will atest to that <img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>atest against that <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> , I'm getting dumber every post... <img border="0" alt="[Help]" title="" src="graemlins/help.gif" />

Terrance11

03-13-2002, 04:26 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Terrance11: <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Terrance11: I think sextracker will atest to that <img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>atest against that <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> , I'm getting dumber every post... <img border="0" alt="[Help]" title="" src="graemlins/help.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>doh, I don't even know what I'm talking about anymore. Jeez, I was just saying that newsgroups aren't where the "real free porn lurkers go" sextracker doesn't lie, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

*Kimmykim*

03-13-2002, 05:04 PM

Bottom line is and always will be, no one buys a cow if you give them more milk than they can drink every day... You want to see conversions get better, checks cut for more, and the workload get a bit lighter? Free porn is the root of all money evils...

AgentCash

03-13-2002, 05:08 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Terrance11: doh, I don't even know what I'm talking about anymore... <hr /></blockquote>Gee Terrance, you didn't even need anyone to argue with you to prove you're loony... Good job! <img border="0" alt="[Finger]" title="" src="graemlins/finger.gif" />

Terrance11

03-13-2002, 05:12 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by AgentCash: <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Terrance11: doh, I don't even know what I'm talking about anymore... <hr /></blockquote>Gee Terrance, you didn't even need anyone to argue with you to prove you're loony... Good job! <img border="0" alt="[Finger]" title="" src="graemlins/finger.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>I'm not loony, lol <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> I was arguing with Royale this whole thread, someone who apparently doesn't even agree with himself going by this thread <img border="0" alt="[ROTFLMAO]" title="" src="graemlins/rotflmao.gif" /> I didn't even want to argue with him, but damn, there was nothing good on t.v. and I've been done with my work for the day since 1 p.m. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

Muff

03-13-2002, 05:19 PM

Kimmy, Would you be so kind and send me an email aswell when you get some more info about this. webmaster@xxxlinkcafe.com Thanks I appreciate it, Erik

Terrance11

03-13-2002, 05:48 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Royale: Also, so youre saying this newsgroup list doesnt bring you to alot of free shit hahahaha I never said it was quality, but I was saying there are hordes of it, at least on tgp's you can get some money for it, I shoot my own content and hate to see it turn up in full gallery form in newsgroups, wouldnt you? <a href="http://www.terra.es/personal8/onlyteens/alt.htm" target="_blank">http://www.terra.es/personal8/onlyteens/alt.htm</a><hr /></blockquote>hehehe, I'm going to sleep. I never once said that newsgroup didn't have a lot of free porn. I said I don't agree with you, flat out, you kept on changing the subject. I meant that's NOT where the real free porn lurkers go. I began talking about file swapping cause jimbo brought that up, Royale, learn how to read you moron... Newsgroups allow surfers to post material for others to see, at least when I last ventured them, and do have a lot of porn (but that's not what you were talking about in the first place. I just wanted to end this stupid arguement with Royale once and for all, cause he can't fucking read, and was really pissing me off. Royale, I suggest that you go through this whole thread again, cause you've gone on this message board more than once accusing people of illegal shit, and being wrong, and that's really not cool when you're the one that's wrong. Sorry everyone else for all my posts, but this Royale person is the one accusing everyone of doing illegal shit, when in fact they weren't illegal he just doesn't know much about the adult industry. I'm trying to stand up for others <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> Good night to all, tomorrow is a long day for me.

slickroyale

03-13-2002, 05:56 PM

Billy_D

03-13-2002, 06:02 PM

This Royale person's a real fucking moron. He just comes here to tick everyone else off cause he's a fucking lifeless loser. He went after someone cause they had "lolita" in their domain name, and also said that someone was illegally stealing galleries off other people's tgp's, and everyone on that thread called him a fucking moron. Terrance11, don't listen to him, he's a fucked up 10 year old.

slickroyale

03-13-2002, 06:10 PM

Make your accusations, I only asked a webmaster if he used links from other tgps for his gallery listings which he replied "yes my workers take galleries from other tgps, I do not know where." <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> His site happened to have lolita in the title, and if you go back to the thread you will see I offered to buy the domain. What harm was there? Truth is you never know who youre talking to here, so rap on kids, while your checking threads im checkin stats. Royale. If you continue here I wont be checking, if you really have something to say email me. Otherwise immature stabs have never been my style.

shunga

03-13-2002, 06:45 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by *Kimmykim*: Free porn is the root of all money evils...<hr /></blockquote>I tend to think that free porn itself isn't the problem, as long as the free porn is a tease and nothing more. No pink. No explicit pussy shots. Tease the surfer. Make it clear that the free show stops there. But too many people are showing the whole deal. You can't sell that membership if the surfer has blown his load to the free pictures you've just given him. But that's only half the story. Take a look around a few paysite members areas and you'll find the same content. Plug-in's. Endless lists of them. And you'll find the same ones in pretty much all of them. You could probably join three paysites in a particular major niche and see them all. And most 95% of the plug-in's I've seen are disappointing. TGP's are not the problem. In my opinion, webmasters giving away too much pink and hardcore, and paysites that have poor members areas, are.

jmbrown1881

03-13-2002, 07:03 PM

DamageX, wont dont you show us what you have done other than than speak big words on this board?...I see nothing you have done to help the problem but run you mouth, much like the train being ran on the webmaster in the banner ad for WEBMASTER COMMERCE above.I never said I wanted to solve the problem you dumb fuck, I make enough as it is now part time that I am "ok" to live off what I have made and dump this part time job in a few months if needed. No, I never said I wanted to solve this problem of ending TGP's, just the problem of people not thinking with their heads before blaming someone else

basschick

03-13-2002, 07:55 PM

television is free all over the u.s. yet make billions of dollars. why? because they give away something quality and competitive for free and put in quality ads with some thought and research behind them (instead of cable quality bullshit ads) for products that the watchers of those shows are proven to have an interest in. notice that free works with radio and television, but the ads are VERY thoughtfully created and more input often goes into them than into the actual shows - unlike with free porn where we scream FREE TEEN SEX over and over like every other webmaster and are amazed when it works less and less. and where will over 10 thousand porn webmasters get their hits from if not from tgps, etc? if everyone starts spamming search engines, the hits their will go up in price amazingly and drop in quality. if they spam avs lists, also a drop in quality. target your traffic. pick sponsors whose sites are designed to sell. keep your advertising fresh and very related to the site - it couldn't hurt ;-)

SexySites

03-13-2002, 11:16 PM

this thread is way too long to read so i'll just say something random....... I like the way that leaves fall off certain trees in autumn LOL laters, Chris

DamageX

03-14-2002, 01:55 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jmbrown1881: DamageX, wont dont you show us what you have done other than than speak big words on this board?...<hr /></blockquote>I started 2 TGP2's and I take active part in the TGP2 discussion and online brainstorming. I'd give you the address to the board, but I ain't so sure you'd fit in there. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <blockquote>quote:<hr />I never said I wanted to solve the problem you dumb fuck, I make enough as it is now part time that I am "ok" to live off what I have made and dump this part time job in a few months if needed.<hr /></blockquote>LOL, "dumb fuck"? And this from a guy who can barely write in his own language? Wow, I'm amazed. Besides, being "ok" to living off of something that isn't be such a certain source of income tomorrow isn't my cup of tea and proves just how much about business and marketing you do know. If I were you I'd shut my mouth about that marketing minor, hell, I'd even shut my mouth about having an education whatsoever, since it doesn't look so... <blockquote>quote:<hr />No, I never said I wanted to solve this problem of ending TGP's, just the problem of people not thinking with their heads before blaming someone else<hr /></blockquote>Well, if you don't wanna solve the problem then what the fuck are you doing posting in this thread, doing your best to look stupid? Mission accomplished, now crawl back under your stone and do whatever you did prior to thinking of becoming an adult webmaster. Gee, some people...

pr0view

03-14-2002, 03:48 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by XP: Even TGP Galleries gets very less clicks to sponsors. Because surfers getting smart.<hr /></blockquote>i get 1 click to a sponsor from every 25 surfers that visit a gallery. in fact, i'm getting MORE clicks now than i was getting 6 months ago. if you show them something that they can't find for free, they are more than willing to pay for it.

DamageX

03-14-2002, 08:49 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by pr0view: <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by XP: Even TGP Galleries gets very less clicks to sponsors. Because surfers getting smart.<hr /></blockquote>i get 1 click to a sponsor from every 25 surfers that visit a gallery. in fact, i'm getting MORE clicks now than i was getting 6 months ago. if you show them something that they can't find for free, they are more than willing to pay for it.<hr /></blockquote>Gee, I'm sure that's why everyone giving away free porn is making bank promoting pay porn. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

jmbrown1881

03-14-2002, 07:04 PM

First of all mister "I come from a country in the shape of a limp dick DamageX..." I never said english was my first language either you stupid moron. TGP2's, yeah..their really big..lol my ok money off tgp... hell I never said I wanted a career in this, like I said I have a career. Unlike you who has to leave of his mommy. Crawl back in your mothers womb, you and your limp dick shaped country (sweden) and get the fuck off this board.

AgentCash

03-14-2002, 07:29 PM

jmbrown, at least Damage has something useful to say. You on the other hand seem to be a jackass in every single post I've seen. <img border="0" alt="[Finger]" title="" src="graemlins/finger.gif" />

ausboy

03-14-2002, 07:47 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jmbrown1881: my ok money off tgp... hell I never said I wanted a career in this, like I said I have a career.<hr /></blockquote>jmbrown By the figures you provided, your "ok money" is better than USD1500 a week: <blockquote>quote:<hr /> and make about 15 signups on avs and about 45 email submissions a day ...... I use a FREE AVS that pays me 15 dollars per signup that is free. I use a free email collector that makes me 1 dollar per signup... <hr /></blockquote>I'd really like to know what you earn in your "career" job to not be doing this fulltime.....

jmbrown1881

03-14-2002, 09:06 PM

well lets see that wouldn't be net income after host fees, taxes, internet connection fees, plus my money I put into other things like cameras, film and other stuff, in the end...yes the take home net is "ok money" and what usefull things have DamageX said other than trying to bash me in post.. I never started a fight with him, he took it upon himself to bash me first directly. So agent you can do the same as far as I care

ludwik

03-14-2002, 09:13 PM

When the old good days of big cj sites will back? Hey guys! Stop giving away free porn! Turn your tgp traffic in to cj traffic. Put exit consoles with links to your favorite signup sponsors on your tgps! Change gallery links to blind links to traders! and for exaple........... you have 100k cj site and your exit has about 60k you will send to your sponsors about 35% of 60k per day MINIMUM!!!!!!! thats about 20k to your sponsor! YES this is fucking big cash! you should get about 10-15 signups!! That's about 500$ per day and $15k per month Show me 100k tgp which makes that much cash! Guys are you blind, or stupid???? Why you don't want more cash??????

slickroyale

03-14-2002, 09:23 PM

Ludwik, that would rule, I personally would love to see it hehehe I believe we have joked about "what would happen if..." I have seen someone post, what would happen if the Hun did something like that how many s/u's or would it shut down the sponsors site LOL youre right though <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

ausboy

03-14-2002, 09:26 PM

jmbrown, that's fine, and what I expected you to answer. <blockquote>quote:<hr /> That is how I am able to make money off 1200 hits on my TGP, because it is filtered from my other sites. I provide a TGP that is free of pop-up, blind links, and bullshit the rest of you put on yours. I have grown from 3 suferes a day to 1200 in a few months with only a few trades This builds confidence and trust to my surfers, and they come back again and again...when i have their trust and respect, I pop my sponser ads on them (my AVS) and they go "gee, this guy has a quality site, now he has a free avs..i wanna join" all because my reputation for having a great TGP makes them believe I have a great AVS too. You stick with paysite or cj....I have a complete traffic system... A small CJ, TGP, AVS, toplist, Link List, <hr /></blockquote>But, with such a complete traffic system, and a higher source of quality from your AVS, you must be earning way more than that. Just curious too, how do you afford to pay yourself $15 for every sign up YOU generate to YOUR AVS? You didn't deny the figures I used were wrong...... When you spin a story, perhaps you should note it all down so at least it's not contradictory when you go and post it on a web board.

jmbrown1881

03-14-2002, 10:27 PM

Yes I own a AVS site, not the whole system stupid

jmbrown1881

03-14-2002, 10:40 PM

and also, this thread is getting no where, ... truely fellow webmasters... if you think there is a problem with the rate of signups going down... ban together and do something about. I personally liked the idea about charging surfers to get into the TGP that was posted earlier...but honestly, how many do you think you could get everyone to do it?. If just one person doesnt charge for his tgp, then the system would fail because every surfer would find his site sooner or later. Maybe if you guys wanna stop free porn, The paysites need to cut their free galleries they give away. Then the free porn out there will get stale because everyone will have seen it and want new content that is in the paysites. Also content providers might want to charge higher prices for their content... flood Kazaa and other p2p systems with your videos and pics,...but make them really shitty, ... like in the movie..stop it before the "money shot" and put a full screen ad of your site.. in the pic maybe just cover up part of the pic with a big yellow dot. I dont know if it would work, but its an idea. Also I have been reading eveyones post in this thread and other like it. I know many people make their full time living off porn here, I should say I am sorry if I offended anyone here..i did it not on purpose.. DamageX, it just shows how much of a kid you are to pick my post to bash me when I had done nothing to you..but we all have our mistakes, I respect the fact you even posted something here in regards to this topic, everything helps I guess. I am tired of reading about this subject.. Now who has the answer to this problem?

DamageX

03-15-2002, 11:12 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jmbrown1881: and what usefull things have DamageX said other than trying to bash me in post.. I never started a fight with him, he took it upon himself to bash me first directly. <hr /></blockquote>I never tried to bash you, you do a pretty good job at that yourself. <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jmbrown1881: I never said english was my first language either you stupid moron.<hr /></blockquote>Well, ok, I guess English isn't your native language. Last time I checked that wasn't an excuse for being stupid. As for being a fucking rude asshole... I guess all who read this post can judge for themselves.

PeepNTom

03-15-2002, 11:53 AM

......will this saga continue to page 5 ? stay tuned - same bat time, same bat channel <img border="0" alt="[Sleeping]" title="" src="graemlins/sleeping.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Finger]" title="" src="graemlins/finger.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" /> and I wuv these smilies

AgentCash

03-15-2002, 12:32 PM

*Bam* *POW* Holy shitcakes Batman, the Joker's behind all the TGP's! <img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" />

PeepNTom

03-15-2002, 12:54 PM

ahhhh I forgot the *BAM* *POW* *BANG* *CRACK* hehe that was one hell of a show when I was a kid <img border="0" alt="[Nod]" title="" src="graemlins/nod.gif" />

slickroyale

03-15-2002, 06:56 PM

I have a question... What AVS would allow you to charge for folks to view links, wouldnt that go against most AVS rules right now? Ive been thinking about the whole deal the last few days, and began thinking about the strusture of things, and I dont think an Avs would allow that much "upsell" content to "their cardholders" get it? hmm, maybe I dont know what I am talking about since I dont really do AVS, but was just wondering, how would you charge?

blacula

03-16-2002, 06:05 PM

I have read through the whole thread, and I have been in the biz for over 3 years and to be quite honest, I don't claim to know everything about the biz but I think a few of you missed the point of free porn. It is to get the surfer interested in what you are selling; it is the classic bait and switch. Nothing more, nothing less. Let me explain it the way I see it and you can make your personal judgement from there. TGP - Yes, the bigger ones are getting pickier with what they accept. They have all rights to -- if you had to review 1000-1500 galleries per day and only accept 100-200 galleries -- you would lessen the playing field by making stricter rules and use scripts to filter out the garbage. Second, TGP's are traffic pumps; they build bookmark traffic and trade traffic with other. For the owner it is like running a free newspaper; very simple business model - they build readers by giving quality articles for free and pay for their printing and employees by charging for advertising space. If you haven't noticed, but alot of the larger tgps are doing exactly this. Good thing about all this, their are a large number of smaller tgps with quality traffic and are willing to accept the lesser quality galleries -- you just have to spend the time to find them -- so, submitting to thehun, al4a, thumbzilla or pk shouldn't be your only option. TGP2 - Yes, there is money in those hills for the time being. BUT just like TGP's they will not last for long. Once more TGP2's popup and more ppl submit galleries on a daily basis, TGP2 owners will be forced to make stricter rules which will limit gallery submitters' bottom line. The only thing that is working for TGP2 owners and submitters at the moment is the low numbers. Once the number of daily TGP2 daily submissions get to a point that is unbareable to review on a daily basis, TGP2 owners will start to cut the low quality galleries in hopes of getting more bookmarkers and wasting less time. TGP/TGP2 Galleries -- I have always viewed this a frontend to one of my other sites -- NOT -- my once and only time I try to advertise to a sponsor -- and to be quite honest, 99% of the galleries I review are just that -- an advertising to one sponsor and that is it -- whatever happen to using the traffic to build other types of traffic -- ie. topsites, banner exchanges, surfer traps, cj's, and so on -- yes, you cannot use them on the page directly but happened to using fpads and placing the links there? AVS -- now, they have begun to be as picky as most large tgp's -- I can tell you first hand; last month all my avs sites got pulled from cyberage because i put my pics on html pages --- and most avs's will not allow you to use templates or limit the number of links you can have per page -- as a traffic source it has became harder BUT they are and will continue being a good idea to build CJ/CJ2 -- this is a hard subject for me but I can tell you that alot of the bigger CJ/CJ2's are well designed/well thought out sites -- not shitty half ass sites what does all this mean, I believe the money is there and will continue to be there BUT the apple is going to harder to reach. Quality sites and better traffic management is going to be needed to stay in the biz. TGP's are just one piece of the whole thing and should be viewed as traffic pumps to the owners and gallerymakers -- not as a sole source of income -- if the only thing you have to offer on your gallery is 15 pictures and a few links to a sponsor -- no, you are not going to make any money. And to all of you that believe TGP's have more content than paysites then you need to join a few paysites (and I am not saying this to be an ass, they have more to offer than just pics and you should be telling your surfers this vs selling them on 500k pics) well, that is my 2 cents

Rui

03-16-2002, 06:16 PM

blacula - Great post dude <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

slickroyale

03-16-2002, 06:35 PM

Blacula, that looks a little more like 4 cents... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

flyingiguana

03-17-2002, 01:23 AM

good post blacula u can use all those types of traffic to pump surfers through a network of sites. throw some back to toplists for fresh traffic, hit em with a bunch of fpa's till their duck goes limp or they finally sign up.

flyingiguana

03-17-2002, 01:24 AM

lol duck.... quack quack i think those sleepin pills are kickin in now... <img border="0" alt="[ROTFLMAO]" title="" src="graemlins/rotflmao.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[ROTFLMAO]" title="" src="graemlins/rotflmao.gif" />

DamageX

03-17-2002, 06:33 PM

Good points blacula. I still say there's too much free porn on the web and TGP's are a major reason fro this, but that's just my opinion. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

DamageX

03-17-2002, 06:35 PM

Wooo, it made it to page 5! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

AgentCash

03-17-2002, 06:37 PM

What page will this topic reach? Place your bets, place your bets...

XP

03-18-2002, 02:47 AM

idiots stop making this thread bigger & bigger by posting bullshit. We're here to discuss TGP problem in topic... Well I must say newbies fucking this industry, not TGPs. I see many galleries saying this "Never give your credit card anymore, This site is absolutely free. Join now 4 free" bla bla bla. As you see that bullshit galleries getting 100-200K / day traffic from TGPs, and training visitors as freeloaders. But that damn newbie motherfucker never thinks about that rule "If sponsor doesn't make money, webmaster doesn't make money too". But experienced webmasters and webmistresses (like basschick) knows how to sell memberships. But not like in old days. Porn business overloaded by newbies. Everyone wants to make money, like some idiots trying to make money by opening banner/leech ftp servers (Click my sponsor, get **** word for login bla bla). Same thing, same rule exception. I don't against tgps, but they must not list FREE HOSTED GALLERIES to fuckup newbies,

XP

03-18-2002, 03:21 AM

Here is the url <a href="http://www.takeporn.com/teen099gl/rita.html" target="_blank">http://www.takeporn.com/teen099gl/rita.html</a> Stop giving credit card info for free trials! You don't need credit card at all! Just keep your money! - No credit card info asked - No hidden fees ever - No phone bills If you love tight teen pussies ... you can join right now! For FREE! ............... Just keep your money, bullshit. How tgp reviewers allows such a false advertising... God damn it.

DamageX

03-18-2002, 12:32 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by XP: Here is the url <a href="http://www.takeporn.com/teen099gl/rita.html" target="_blank">http://www.takeporn.com/teen099gl/rita.html</a> Stop giving credit card info for free trials! You don't need credit card at all! Just keep your money! - No credit card info asked - No hidden fees ever - No phone bills If you love tight teen pussies ... you can join right now! For FREE! ............... Just keep your money, bullshit. How tgp reviewers allows such a false advertising... God damn it.<hr /></blockquote>The guy who made that gallery is no newbie. And let's face it, is it HIS fault that free membership sites (no CC, just e-mail) spring up like mushrooms after the rain? You think the sponsors are stupid? Why do you think every sponsor and their mother has a evidence eliminator type of product for idiots to sell nowadays? 'Cause they FUCK YOU WHILE MAKING MONEY, and you're glad too! The more cookie blockers/deleters you sell, the less signups you'll get credited for. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

AgentCash

03-19-2002, 01:48 AM

Just to reiterate, I'm wide open for suggestions for tgp5.com... I'm tired of having it sit there doing nothing, so if you have an idea let me know - ideas@tgp5.com

picpile

03-19-2002, 03:02 AM

I am already doing this. will let you know how it works <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by playa: <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by manga: Why not just charge surfers for access to TGPs? That would solve the free porn dilemma. I know, I know, I'm dreaming <img border="0" alt="[Sleeping]" title="" src="graemlins/sleeping.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>this is a very good concept,,, there is way to upsell your TGP traffic to a more surfer friendly members area,,, like no blind links,, no banners,, charge a very low fee of under $10 a month or even a email membership,,, i believe easypics is doing this concept<hr /></blockquote>

Rui

03-19-2002, 03:41 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by AgentCash: Just to reiterate, I'm wide open for suggestions for tgp5.com... I'm tired of having it sit there doing nothing, so if you have an idea let me know - ideas@tgp5.com<hr /></blockquote>What about TGP4, aren't you jumping ahead? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

porntowers.com

03-20-2002, 02:14 AM

Very true about hurting the industry. Refer to text book Economics. If a person lacks incentive to purchase they do not purchase. Giving out a product for free is similar to communism/socialism in that it correlates to getting something for nothing. People in a communist society receive "each according to his or her needs." Well, the problem with this is this is not based on any type of output/work, this is where incentives are diminished. Also, regardless of receiving product with out monetary exchange, as the supply curve shifts outward equilibrium price drops adding to the loss of profits you could be obtaining. But as a final note there really isn't anything you can do but try and persuade people to stop giving out free porn. Unless it is nominal and coupled with an aggressive marketing technique (e.g. free samples before buying) Late Kyle

AgentCash

03-21-2002, 11:29 AM

You mean to tell me you're just gonna let this topic die? After all we've been through? We've nurtured and cared for it, and it's grown into a nice healthy topic, but guess where I found it this morning... on the second page! No topic deserves that, especially one we've all grown so fond of. You should be ashamed of yourselves! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

manga

03-21-2002, 01:07 PM

This thread just keeps going... and going... and going... Seems as though it's running out of steam though. It'll come back again in a few months. I expect to see a similar thread during the summer slowdown.

DamageX

03-21-2002, 08:09 PM

Kyle, you make sense. I guess I didn't put it in such fancy words, but I tried to explain it in plain English to some people, in hope they'd understand it. Ok people, so here we go: GIVE AWAY FREE PORN = COMMUNISM (and never make more than THEY THINK you need) CHARGE FOR PORN = MORE MONEY IN YOUR POCKETS Now how much clearer does this need to be in order for people to understand it? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

Dan S

03-22-2002, 03:21 AM

I think Boneprone knew it all the time and nobody believed him .... we are all COMMUNISTS!

STEVEN

03-22-2002, 02:50 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Dan S: I think Boneprone knew it all the time and nobody believed him .... we are all COMMUNISTS!<hr /></blockquote><img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> I see on sextracker page ranks, run has his site description "damn soviets site" I got a kick out of that

SexySites

03-22-2002, 02:55 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Dan S: I think Boneprone knew it all the time and nobody believed him .... we are all COMMUNISTS!<hr /></blockquote>speak for yourself <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/ouch.gif" /> laters, Chris

alohaha

03-23-2002, 01:12 AM

Interesting thread, I run sites that do six figs annual (other topics).. and will likely do adult sites in the future. Here's my candid feedback, from an avid beer drinker: 1) The only two paysites I am currently in are: <a href="http://www.dynamix.net" target="_blank">www.dynamix.net</a> (why-because they have new 10meg downloadable video clips from movies I like, wisely time-released,eg 15-20 per month) <a href="http://www.pictureview.com" target="_blank">www.pictureview.com</a> (because I can get almost all the content you guys charge for, in one mega newsgroup reader type site) 2) Why would I ever pay for a pictures-only site, when there's pictureview? I don't mind sorting through the 10,000 new pics a day to find what I want, surfers post everything to ng's anyways, where it shows up there, so I get it. Here's how to survive: I think having more downloadable video clips (I know, bandwidth!) is important to me as a customer, I pay for that. Here's a unique one: I'm always cropping the subtitle crap out of my .jpgs /resizing to 800x600 w/compupic and flipping them all to "face right" etc.. if you could do that, it would be a help, worth paying for. Anyways, take it or leave it, that's a couple of decent ideas /customer feedback from an avid adult content customer. (I keep having to get bigger hard drives lol). Feedback, guys? also, I like sites like <a href="http://www.asianthumbs.org" target="_blank">www.asianthumbs.org</a> , that's a great one.

alohaha

03-23-2002, 01:15 AM

one more point.. a) the streaming video crap that's out there is junk, I've seen it and would never pay for that.. eg little streaming clips that you can't save, not worth getting, and they're all really junk quality. maybe if you could get good quality ones (eg see the clips at dynamix.net, or any decent 10meg type avi/mpg file w/good resolution) b) specialty sites are a good idea, eg asian or facials or whatever.. c) new weekly or daily content is essential, that's why I like pictureview.com

AgentCash

03-23-2002, 02:09 AM

Wow surfcat, great info! It's nice to hear from an actual porn consumer. I think a lot of webmasters get caught up in their work, but don't take the time to listen to what people want. Anybody know a good high quality movie provider? I'd be glad to throw up a movie site and see how it does. Most of the movies I come across are so lame I don't even bother using them. I've got a few gigs of real shit that came bundled with other licensed sets.

keyman

03-23-2002, 07:34 AM

Very informative surfcat. I think one of the main reasons streaming is so popular among members sites is to help protect against copyright infringement and forcing the user to enter the site to view the movie again. Neither the consumer or the publisher wins this battle. I've gone to extensive lengths in the past to download jpegs from java push streams and embedded real or media player streams, meanwhile I'm paying $29.95 a month (recurring) to do it. This is just another example of paysites not meeting the demands of the consumer and then probably standing around going -> " <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" /> Why did they cancel? We gave them 100s of streams!". Anyway, that would probably go onto another topic. If anything is responsible for slumping sales, it is probably higher consumer demands. Bandwidth shouldn't be an issue for members, they should be treated like kings and queens, and paysites should go out of their way to bring them fresh new content frequently (which some don't bother doing). You don't need another signup if you can keep the existing customer for another month! I'm sorry if I'm stating the obvious by saying that, although some paysites don't seem to get it. Updates should be small, although VERY frequent. I'm talking once or even twice a day. And then go and publicize the update on your guest page or tour, that way a curious surfer will know there is something going on in the members section (don't expect them to take your word for it). In early 1999 I was getting 32 cents unq to advertise this site: <a href="http://www.amateuravenue.com." target="_blank">www.amateuravenue.com.</a> The site looks exactly the same way now as it did 3 years ago. Now they pay 14 cents a unq and have to give away memberships to all of their sites.

alohaha

03-23-2002, 07:28 PM

good points, thx.. re streaming feedback.. Yes I've been a member of dynamix.net and pictureview.com for 8 months (!), I have never paid for another site and likely will not do so again, unless there's ones with a lot of good quality downloadable .mpgs I can keep. Other good sites, hmm redlight.com mpgs, as well as karadavis.com (?) and the adultsweetloads one.. eg both run by guys who tape their own encounters w/various women, a unique interesting approach.. but, i haven't paid for either. Overall, a site like pictureview.com is the best I think, since there's tons of daily new pictures, scanned from all the pay sites. The only hassle is sorting through everything, though the search feature is a big help. I'd pay for an 'enhanced' version that sorts all the stuff into series / categories easily, vs searching through everything. Agree, ongoing new daily content (or at least, once a week new downloadable movie clips) is good.. I have seen a ton of streaming clips, and they're all garbage, eg "mildly curious', but nothing I can save, so why bother.. if I can't access the site to keep the content, I would never pay for it. low quality clips.. and besides, if I wanted to capture them, I could use something like camtasia at techsmith.com anyways i think.. but the streams are so much junk I dont even want them for free (why is this, anyways? I've seen hundreds of streams, they're all uniformly bad, compared to a lot of the .mpgs I have) .. checking my downloaded avis/mgs from dynamix.net, I've gotten almost 6 gigs of movies from that site, a good deal, plus access to 2 other decent sites (eg corrupted is good, the daily one is soso).. Hope that helps, re voice of the customer. By the way, I make a *healthy* six figs off my other sites, one key is, I ASK my Customers what they want, and give it to them. You all might want to do that too, eg have a popup survey, or radio button survey, ask what they want to see more of, less of... plus opt in pix by email lists, 'net marketing 101 stuff best wishes all - wait til you see my adult websites, when I get around to them in a year or two.. they will dominate <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> but not to worry, I have other sites in progress most of '02 '03 to worry about.. have a good one

Muff

03-23-2002, 07:35 PM

Pictureview is Bull Shit. Unless I am missing something there all they do is provide links to copyrighted material.

Muff

03-23-2002, 07:45 PM

Surfcat. If you have a membership there I would suggest finding another site. I doubt Picture View will last very long selling memberships to copyrighted material hosted on there servers.

alohaha

03-23-2002, 08:55 PM

hi - no, pictureview is simply a visual newsgroup display site .. eg they post thumbnail pics of everything that's posted to news groups, they don't post content themselves, they provide a gateway interface to see what others have posted on the newsgroups.. I love pictureview - I'll never need to go to a paysite in my life, other than for good ones with nice 10meg downloadable movies, like dynamix.net

Muff

03-23-2002, 09:26 PM

<a href="http://www1.pictureview.com/dyx-pv/d-3B71SV/p-2T58/papi05.jpg" target="_blank">http://www1.pictureview.com/dyx-pv/d-3B71SV/p-2T58/papi05.jpg</a> That picture along with the rest are hosted on their servers. <img src="http://pub.pictureview.com/dyx-pv/d-3B71SM/g-70U9/index1.jpg" alt="" /> that thumb is hosted on their server. .....

DamageX

03-23-2002, 11:16 PM

Thanks for the input surfcat, will go to good use. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

slutMasterRob

03-24-2002, 11:52 AM

Here's another wonderful example of tgp going nuts. >>While we're extremely lenient, the submitted gallery is below the quality standards of our list for the following reason: >>The photos are too small. >>We consider anything smaller than 350 on the long side to be a thumbnail. Even that is a small pic. While we understand the need to conserve bandwidth, we also know such small pics are of no interest to our visitors. <img border="0" alt="[Finger]" title="" src="graemlins/finger.gif" /> Yes I know that the professional free porn surfer has no interest in pics that size (not worth saving to the harddrive) that's why my gallery images are sized at 320 - 300 long side. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> - sizing had nothing to do with saving bandwidth. That's also why I take the time to change all image names so that they are numbered 01.jpg, 02.jpg, etc. There are numerous programs out there whose only purpose is to automatically rip sites of their content. Renaming and resizing the images makes such downloading by the professional free porn surfer an annoying task. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> >>Feel free to submit other galleries that are within our guidelines. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> You must be kidding! I'm not wasting one more pixel of porn tease with a webmaster that thinks like a free porn surfer. Guys let me say that this reply did not come from a large high traffic board. All the major boards that I have submitted quality resolution images to have accepted images within the 320 - 300 pixel range. I am a reviewer for a major board and partner on several others, I have a good general understanding of what does and doesn't make a quality gallery. I'm also fully aware that tgp is only one method of traffic generation available to me as a webmaster, I have absolutely no interested in assisting boards that apply irregular and unusually restrictive webmaster rules. "What you give away for free today is worthless tomorrow."

DamageX

03-25-2002, 09:18 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by slutMasterRob: "What you give away for free today is worthless tomorrow."<hr /></blockquote>Actually it's useless as soon as you've given it away, if your only point with it is plainly giving it away without an ulteriour motive. If you give away *just enough* in order to make'em interested, but not enough in order to make'em cum, you've got yourself a working formula. Tease them to death, don't jerk their dicks to death.

DamageX

03-27-2002, 05:21 AM

Awww, come on guys, won't you help make this thread 6 pages long? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

dukepaul

03-27-2002, 05:28 PM

ok 189

Brian911

03-27-2002, 05:39 PM

while we're at it.. 190 "tgps suck" thank you, Brian

DamageX

03-29-2002, 09:02 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Brian911: while we're at it.. 190 "tgps suck" thank you, Brian<hr /></blockquote>Can you motivate that in a constructive way? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

pornman7678

03-30-2002, 03:45 PM

I tell you what, with the Search engines being a wasteland, no USENET posting allowed (David Ritz), banners not converting and forget e-mail ad's, I find 3-5 sups on a TGP to be a godsend. Justmy2cents, -Tom

basik

03-30-2002, 04:05 PM

You have to promote the new and interesting things. for example, if beer became free, i would rent out hotel rooms and charge by the hour...right next to where they were giving out the beer. - translated to english - things that catch the eye of even the experienced surfer are what sells. "Evidence Eraser" and "iFriends" are 2 perfect examples. they got plenty of pics and 'live' feeds. they want something they can use and enjoy over n over. someone wanna go into businiess with me? email n0s@bellsouth.net

pornman7678

03-30-2002, 04:27 PM

You have mail. -Tom

blind

04-03-2002, 04:24 PM

Alright, alright, this thread is cashed. TGP's are still the devil. <img border="0" alt="[Finger]" title="" src="graemlins/finger.gif" /> "They represent everything that is souless and wrong." -Office Space <img border="0" alt="[No No]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" />

alohaha

04-04-2002, 07:24 AM

anyone else have a reply re comparing a site like <a href="http://www.pictureview.com" target="_blank">www.pictureview.com</a> with all the various sites you folks run? eg seems to me that it would be hard to compete with a site that has 10K new pics a day...

toker

04-04-2002, 10:04 AM

Gimme a break paysites could not afford 10k of new images daily when they actually pay for it. Im sure many of those 10k are mostly repeats for the most part and like Muff said illegal. Unless paysites have a large bit of long term recurring members 10Mb movie clips are a waste of money. You try providing $300-600 movies every day then pay the bandwidth bills and see what you can salvage to pay your bills afterwards. Its not about volume its about quality which is what paysites bank on. The TGPs are lesser of both and bank on selling more of what you hopefully havent already gotten from another TGP. Maybe what needs to be done is content brokers to cut back on what they allow to be posted on free sites. Sell sets for TGP posting and others for just paysite and AVS ect.. The biggest problem this industry is facing right now is content theft causing even those 10Mb movies to be worthless. If you already have it saved to your drive why even bother paying. But on the same token i know guys that rent flicks they wil never buy a video but they prefer to rent a new one every day. This is same theory behind a paysite once you see it you dont need to see it over in over. The problem is video content is not cheap and once saved and distro accross the net for free no one will buy. But if paysites only allow stream is protects the investment and hopefully the surfer will tell his buddy how great a time he had. Free porn can work to your advantage while working against you at the same time theres no win win about this. Its just like gambling even the lucky guy cant win every hand at poker unless he cheats because the odds are against him. The money is in the numbers you have to look at what is converting and go with it. I watch every signup to see which particular gallery made it and what is making it better then another one. I compair image sizes, colors, image type, and various other factors. Every day i can learn a little bit more and make changes to build a better mousetrap. Its not about having the latest and greatest it about how you present it and who you present it to. Some of the biggest problems i see now days is webmasters building galleries that promise everything and delever shit. This makes the spenders more concious about what they buy and how they will get what they need in the future. If you bought 3 memberships to shitty little paysites you found on galleries or from banner ads and all of them were shit what would you do? Well i wouldnt buy another membership but i might take one of those free trial offers to check it out first. However i wouldnt take anything offered on a TGP after i was already promised the world and didnt get it. So to sum it all up i think these low budget paysites full of stolen content they got from TGPs are one of the factors. I can say i have checked out a few sites from hacked pass sites that were totally legit member areas that made me want to puke. Honestly take a tour of a fes sites you promote and see what is inside you will be amazed at what many really give. Like content from back in 1992 and shit they picked up on IRC most likely. I have seen a few good ones like Karas i got lost it was so big but if i was a member i would never want to leave. If the TGPs and gallery builders push out the shitty sites and make the paysites fufill their end of the deal maybe that would help. Drop some of the old overused content or move it to a discounted member area for cheap asses and start to rebuild. I hate to see this one die because otherwise it will just go back to how TGPs are the root of all evil and CJs are goldmines. Neither are the case everything has its place but you need balance just like nature. Look at as the circle of life it can work but everyone needs to do their part. Stores would not be in biz if the manufactures dont improve and make new products all the time. Just my $.50 hope it will be spent wisely. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

Kai_89

04-04-2002, 05:06 PM

that is possibly the best post i have ever read. <img border="0" alt="[Nod]" title="" src="graemlins/nod.gif" /> just like nature, be inovative, make new products, new ideas. advance.

Terrance11

04-04-2002, 05:13 PM

toker, long post, so I didn't read it all. But that's why most pay sites use plug in content. So they don't have to constantly purchase high cost pics and movies, and so they also save on bandwidth bills.

alohaha

04-04-2002, 05:15 PM

interesting.. good to know your folks' perspective... as I say, sites like <a href="http://www.pictureview.com" target="_blank">www.pictureview.com</a> represent to me a customer an excellent value, eg for $8 / month I have access to (and download, usually zipped <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> ) thousands of new images each month... true re many paysites are junk, eg you look at what they're trying to sell for $20 a month or whatever and compare to pictureview etc, no comparison.. and for movies, eg sites like dynamix.net are great too, eg I have 6 gigs of movies from them, most are excellent quality, and they provide two other ok sites access too.. so the Point is, yes those of us who are customers are willing to pay for exceptional content, but it has to be better than what I can already get, or, for free from tgps .. .. and, for streaming vids, eg it's simple to rip those with streambox vcr or the asf rippers out there, though most are not very good, the streams I've seen on various paysites.. my .02 as a customer.. and, when I think about starting adult sites, it seems that the competition and bandwidth out there makes it not a super segment to be in, unless you can somehow differentiate yourselves.. and, if I were to do the 3-day $3.95 trial type options, I'd likely just download the whole site then not continue as a member ... is that what usually happens? curious..

Terrance11

04-04-2002, 05:20 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by surfcat: and, if I were to do the 3-day $3.95 trial type options, I'd likely just download the whole site then not continue as a member ... is that what usually happens? curious..<hr /></blockquote>Yeah, and then the surfer realizes that it's nearly fucking impossible to find the cancellation form for a pay site. I've personally tested 10-15 paysites myself, just to see what each had to offer. Maybe 5 or 6 I was actually figured out how to cancel within the trial period. Must be why charge back ratios are so high...?

manga

04-04-2002, 05:30 PM

Seems to me it's time to get pictureview shut down <img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" />

Muff

04-04-2002, 08:56 PM

If I see this surfcat guy post again I think I am going to find him and pluck his eyeballs out with a fork. Surfcat are you illiterate? You seem to write well, but you have trouble comprehending. Pictureview for the last time will not be around for long. What they're doing is ILLEGAL. get it through your thick skull.

jmbrown1881

04-04-2002, 09:14 PM

Toker is the mother fuckin shiz nit. I am gald some people on this board have the brains to realize and support what I said earlier in this post that TGP's are not the evil in this industry. When will people start to see how TGP can help you?... Like I said earlier, I use CJ, AVS, A Link List site to send traffic to my TGP, which in turns filters my traffic to my sponsers. Damn cant you people see the the TGP is a way to filter and gain the traffic you may need for sales? I am also building a TGP2 and CJ2, not because I think they are great, but because I am trying to get my hands on traffic from everywhere... the more traffic sources I get, the more I filter on my TGP, the more target traffic I send to my sponsers for better sales. Is this so hard to understand? Again, thanks Toker for the posting

Dan S

04-05-2002, 12:56 AM

Great Post Toker <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

alohaha

04-05-2002, 01:03 AM

Muff, I don't know what your problem is... I'm a legit customer of what appears to be a legit newsgroup pay site that's been around for years. They don't do anything other than simply parse public newsgroups and provide thumbnails/links to pictures that others have publicly posted, so they are not illegal. Looking at Muff's lame sites, no wonder he's mad. Lol.

roax66

04-05-2002, 07:21 AM

Have any of you poor guys who starve every day noted that while incomes have gone down the last years expenses have so too? Band width costs today are 10-20% of what they used to be.

toker

04-05-2002, 08:04 AM

Just because bandwidth goes down does not mean operational costs and business expenses have. Fact is most webmasters are now having to work twice the hours to make the same money. Is a webmasters time worth nothing and how should paysites advertise to bring in more webmasters? Everything costs money while 2 years ago it would have cost much less and required much less members to survive. Also while bandwidth and content prices may be dropping food and other living costs of a webmasters have gone up. I also get the feeling surfcat is tring to recruit members rather then make a valid point here.

Terrance11

04-05-2002, 08:13 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by roax66: Have any of you poor guys who starve every day noted that while incomes have gone down the last years expenses have so too? Band width costs today are 10-20% of what they used to be.<hr /></blockquote>bandwidth prices have gone down because of competition. And more competition means less money... for hosts.

SexySites

04-05-2002, 09:56 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by roax66: Have any of you poor guys who starve every day noted that while incomes have gone down the last years expenses have so too? Band width costs today are 10-20% of what they used to be.<hr /></blockquote>i agree net connections are so cheap these days that you'll soon be able to pretty much serve a server from your own house without any problems <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> will be interesting to see what happens to hosting companies when internet connections are so fast and cheap that people can host websites themselves... (hmmmmm there is a slight problem with what i said ..but i cant be bothered to type any more ..i should do some work <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ) laters, Chris laters, Chris

alohaha

04-05-2002, 11:03 AM

toker... wrong re recruiting, I don't care, it's not my site.. I'm just a paying customer of those two sites... eg pictureview and dynamix.. trying to understand why I should pay for one of your guys' sites when I can likely get all the pix in the world I'd want off this newsgroup type site.. looking to get some insights, and let you folks know re 'voice of customer' what average guys like.. also, I'm likely to try running an adult site sometime myself in the next couple of years, so trying to understand the challenges you folks are dealing with.. quality sites are likely less than .5% of all adultsites out there.. hard to find quality, with all the junk in the business, eg the incessant popups that don't die, makes it customer-unfriendly.. plus the "impossible to find the cancel membership after 3d preview" etc headaches.. the adult industry online needs some help ..lol.. for it to be profitable to you and a good experience for guys like me.. most of us are looking for low cost high quality sites.. with downloadable .mpgs..

toker

04-05-2002, 12:58 PM

Well i will put it like this i spend more time tring to prefect my designs and make nice galleries then i see other people in many cases converting better with crap. You have TGPs and CJs that look like a 2yr old made them and then you have some really nice sites that dont have near the prod of the shit sites. Seems to me why bother to waste extra money and time to make somthing nice if the surfer cares more about jerking off then admiring my site? Paysite is another story of course but even for a paysite if you have 5 users on a new site do you think its profitable to spend $800 a month on video and updates? Untill you have a good user base or unless you have a good amount of cash to invest it can break you real fast. You say you plan to open a site well im guessing your storing all that video and other stuff so you can make money with it. But thats why theres so many shit sites everyone thinks well i will collect some images and videos off usenet and build my own goldmine. Think about it do the numbers and see how profitable it really is with 50-100 users at $30-40 times 3 months after you pay for everything. Most you will make is 100% profit after 3 months with just a small investment and no updates if you can actually get that many to join. It will be better if your costs are less but you wont build a kick ass site with great member retention for $800 now days. Now this is only estimated to give an idea i dont own any paysites so i cant say exact but i know what content/design and hosting costs.

EscortBiz

06-03-2002, 08:50 AM

just got done reading all this WOW great inffo!

GFED

06-03-2002, 11:04 AM

Kinda hard to read... http://www.theunholytrinity.org/cracks_smileys/cwm/3dlil/uhh.gif

cscotb

06-03-2002, 01:07 PM

TGP's Dissapear? If this is ever going to happen it's gonna take a while. We could all do are part and stop making galleries and such but this is how a lot of us make money.

EscortBiz

06-03-2002, 01:38 PM

nah it will happen real soon, within 12 months now that ive done more research

YES little guys will do TGP's and many will start and go on and off just like counters, file sharing, free email etc etc. but the big boys will pull out

MiOb

06-03-2002, 03:30 PM

i agree with You, that's good idea,

what the hell is doing with HTML tags on this board ???

unconnected

06-03-2002, 04:40 PM

Dammit, I thought this post died, if shuold have from old age by now..
this thing must be months old by now

Marina

06-04-2002, 12:43 AM

Damn this thread is too long to read right now.........

My best pal did a survey on his tgp....

asking the surfers if they would or have buy/bought a membership to a premium site....

then gave option answers like:
1. Yes, cause your shit sucks.
2. No, why should I when I can get it all for free?
3. What is a premium site?
4. My balls itch

;)

anyway.............. 95% said No, cause they can get loads for free.

New tgp's are popping up more and more every damn day. Dirty ones don't bother me....... BUT clean tgp sites do, sure clean tgp sites might have a little bit of surfers that *MAY* buy but most know they can bookmark and come back for FRESH, NEW galleries every damn day and jerk tobias the cheeky monkey without spending a cent.

but the survey really was a harsh slap in the face.

yep and with tgp owners DEMANDING quality thumbs....... damn you can surf tgp's and see ALL of matrix's sweeet content...... why join a pay site with those girls on the tour? They just seen 5 sets of this girl for free??????

but nothing will be done....... nothing has been done to benefit the webmasters who make the galleries........ the only things I see being done is constricting selling techniques & demanding high quality content...... this beneifts the owner of the site (giving him FANTASTIC FREE CONTENT) and benefiting the Free loading surfers.

unconnected

06-04-2002, 01:51 AM

Yea I hear you on that one.. TGP's like zilla do that..
You can only have a VERY limited number of banners and your pics have to be excellent quality, shit like that..
I mean come on, how can you care about this shit..
The guy needs 5 reviewers just to go through it..
save yourself the fucking time, AND stop being counter productive for the industry in general and loosen those rules a little bit..
Total BS, if the gallery has 10 pics, and no popups that is good and fine by me