how much money do programmers and web designers make???

[Terrance11]

I'm thinking about taking an accelerated web design course, only 3 months long, get a full certificate. I've also considered getting an education in programming... will take a shitload longer to get such a certificate.<br /><br />I'm only interested in money, how much do they make... any ideas??? <img border="0" alt="[Bounce]" title="" src="graemlins/bounce.gif" />

[toker]

Depends how much you actually learn and are capable of doing not how much training you get.

[darksoft]

I made like $5 last year as a programmer. I hope to break $6 this year <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

[darksoft]

Oh, and if you are becoming a programmer with the sole purpose in mind of only making big money, remind me never to hire you.

[druhix]

If you keep pushing you can make lots of money.<br />For example almost none of the webmasters here do any of their own programming.<br />Think about it *wink* <img border="0" alt="[Nod]" title="" src="graemlins/nod.gif" />

[SexySites]

learning to program yourself is always the best way...but its nice to have a qualification to fall back on...<br /><br /> <img border="0" alt="[Bounce]" title="" src="graemlins/bounce.gif" /> <br /><br />laters,<br />Chris

[SexySites]

If your going to take some courses take programming ones ..better cash than website design ..and far less boring ..i think <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /><br />laters,<br />Chris

[dplaymax]

well - for programmers - i am not one - but what i do know that is not about schooling - it is about experience and this kinda experience takes time - depending on how smart you 'REALLY' are <img border="0" alt="[Sleeping]" title="" src="graemlins/sleeping.gif" />

[Terrance11]

okay, thanks for the input. You've helped me decide to be a programmer, and forever my life is change from starting this thread. In 18 months, and when I'm done and certified, I'll make a cj script that surpasses even tim's.<br /><br />That's if I do complete and learn programming, once I tried to learn perl but gave up after 5 minutes <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

[efp]

Terrance, you gave up after 5 minutes? I think you don't have it to get a good programmer. I sit sometimes hours in front of my computer, trying to figure out what's going on, and why something does not work out. The one who gives up easily will never have success. I will give you an example. You work 20 hours on a script, then you notice there is a big problem, and you would need to invest more time into it, now you stop it, and start a new one, you do everything, till again a problem comes up, and again you are too bored to do it ... how can you ever finish up something without investing time and using your brain patiently ... !?

[Terrance11]

epf, I know, but I just bought the book last night. No need to worry, I'm not paying 27k for nothing <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[Due]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by SexySites:<br /><strong>learning to program yourself is always the best way...but its nice to have a qualification to fall back on...<br /><br /> <img border="0" alt="[Bounce]" title="" src="graemlins/bounce.gif" /> <br /><br />laters,<br />Chris</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I disagree.<br />Best thing is larning programming at some kind of school / course.<br />Then you can learn writing in the different languages like C, C++, Java etc after that yourself

[playa]

i wanted to be a programmer one time,,,<br />then i took my first C++ class,,,,,<br /><br />then i realized that i make too much money for this shit,,, i don't have patience to code complicated shit,,, i mean i had a hard time coding "hello world" <br /><br />IMHO coding is 90% sweat and only 10% knowledge,,, its one of them skills you have to born with and you can't learn

[distantdoor]

I think that as long as you want to see the end result, you will find a way to learn to program! It's definately boring if you're not doing what you like...

[Due]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by playa:<br /><strong>i wanted to be a programmer one time,,,<br />then i took my first C++ class,,,,,<br /><br />IMHO coding is 90% sweat and only 10% knowledge,,, its one of them skills you have to born with and you can't learn</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Excactly. That is because you did not learn programming firs <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[Tim]

I've been programming now close to 17 years and I taught myself entirely from books. <img border="0" alt="[Bounce]" title="" src="graemlins/bounce.gif" />

[darksoft]

I'm also self taught at programming and everything else I know, mostly because there was never any courses for the languages I wanted to learn. There is no substitute for learning things on your own and having the desire to learn them. I finally broke down one year and took a programming class and it was a joke. Anyone who takes a course and considers themselves a programmer is sadly misguided...

[basschick]

i know a programmer - really nice person. he wrote a trade script. it didn't work all that well, although it did work. turned out that he didn't REALLY understand what trading was all about.<br /><br />so even after you finish your classes, you still have to understand fully what you are applying them to - which is a whole nother thing ;-)

[jayeff]

This is European information, not US, and also about 3 years out of date. Anyhow, back when I was making $1,500-$2,000 per day as a contract project manager, the only people I was paying more to were network specialists and fortran/cobol programmers. C/C++ programmers were ten a penny and not much better paid than the very best support people. And actually, in most corporate environments, the opportunities for such programmers were few and far between.<br /><br />The "old" languages may not be very sexy, but there is a lot of legacy stuff out there and not so many people know how to look after it. Similarly it takes a lot of knowledge and a touch of magic to make a corporate network really hum, but if you can do it, there are big bucks to be made.