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PxG

03-12-2002, 11:05 AM

Dear John, We can definetly set you up with a 1 week FREE trial, so you can test out our services, check references, etc. We've been developing since last March, and every webmaster who's tried the software has loved it. We have both monthly and yearly payment plans. <img border="0" alt="[Spam]" title="" src="graemlins/spam.gif" /> Best regards, PxG Laszlo@danubetech.com 206.709.8585 x.111

Due

03-12-2002, 12:56 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by PxG: Dear John, We can definetly set you up with a 1 week FREE trial, so you can test out our services, check references, etc. We've been developing since last March, and every webmaster who's tried the software has loved it. We have both monthly and yearly payment plans. <img border="0" alt="[Spam]" title="" src="graemlins/spam.gif" /> Best regards, PxG Laszlo@danubetech.com 206.709.8585 x.111<hr /></blockquote>Problem is that you should learn to use ICQ <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

allwaysfindme

03-12-2002, 02:23 PM

I can help you with this contact me on ICQ 14863243 dics

Zane

03-12-2002, 02:30 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by allwaysfindme: I can help you with this contact me on ICQ 14863243 dics Check out the fastest cheater detector plugin for UCJ <a href="http://www.hotsexyplace.com/DSProxy/" target="_blank">http://www.hotsexyplace.com/DSProxy/</a> <hr /></blockquote>your site is 404

PxG

03-12-2002, 02:40 PM

due, email and phone work just fine, for those who are interested <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

PeepNTom

03-12-2002, 02:41 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by allwaysfindme: I can help you with this contact me on ICQ 14863243 dics<hr /></blockquote>how can you help with this ?

allwaysfindme

03-12-2002, 02:53 PM

I made a proxy scanner and i also tested it and it works. It is made in complete assembler for X86, it works on *nix systems and is very fast. It cand be run as a CGI. dics

Dracula

03-12-2002, 04:01 PM

Yeah, you all can count on this script. Is under heavy development, but in a few days we'll have a final 1.0 version for UCJ (and perhaps for rb4 also). If you want to take a look, here's the latest on-line version (2 days old thou, no statistics yet): <a href="http://www.draculaporn.com/cgi-bin/netv101.cgi" target="_blank">http://www.draculaporn.com/cgi-bin/netv101.cgi</a> For more infos on DSProxy contact me on icq 118397361 or allwaysfindme at 14863243. Don't hesitate <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

railz

03-12-2002, 05:15 PM

Does anyone have anything that will run alongside Cj Ultra? I know it's a longshot, but worth a try <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> 117589794 ICQ

PeepNTom

03-12-2002, 05:25 PM

looks cool dracula but does load pretty slow for me on DSL =( are both yours and allwaysfindme's one in the same script ? I was a little confused on the back to back posts.... is it free or is it gonna cost users ?

rowan

03-12-2002, 05:27 PM

Assuming it's not a big secret, what's the general theory involved in detecting/defeating proxied clicks?

Rodent

03-12-2002, 05:31 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by rowan: Assuming it's not a big secret, what's the general theory involved in detecting/defeating proxied clicks?<hr /></blockquote>I am probably wrong but Ill take a guess....The hitbotters run thru the proxie lists to hide thier machine that is faking all the hits. Rodent

PxG

03-12-2002, 05:34 PM

see: <a href="http://www.proxyguard.com/proxyguard.php?page=about" target="_blank">http://www.proxyguard.com/proxyguard.php?page=about</a> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

PeepNTom

03-12-2002, 05:36 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Rodent: <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by rowan: Assuming it's not a big secret, what's the general theory involved in detecting/defeating proxied clicks?<hr /></blockquote>I am probably wrong but Ill take a guess....The hitbotters run thru the proxie lists to hide thier machine that is faking all the hits. Rodent<hr /></blockquote>BINGO <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> and on my previous post, I see that you 2 "are" tied together on this - I should read more careful <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> anyway, is this a freebie since it doesnt actually stop them automatically or is the a buy program?

PeepNTom

03-12-2002, 05:46 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by PxG: see: <a href="http://www.proxyguard.com/proxyguard.php?page=about" target="_blank">http://www.proxyguard.com/proxyguard.php?page=about</a> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>PxG, I doubt that if they do charge for it it will be as costly as yours? Yearly Licensing Options Daily Hits 1 website 0 to 250k 1 web site $2000 per year or Monthly Licensing Options Daily Hits 1 website 0 to 250k 1 web site $189.95 month = $2,279.94 x 12 mo. now I'm not trying to be negative on your script, but in the real world, your pricing is just not able to be handled by most people in either year or month categories even though it may be the best thing ever created? Some may disagree with me ? I know I dont have $2000 or or $189 to spend on it, but thats just me <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />

PxG

03-12-2002, 06:18 PM

Dear PeepnTom, Thanks so much for your comments. You’re right, it’s an expensive product, & most all of our clientele is comprised of larger pay-site-style players who do a lot of traffic per day. However, for them it’s a lifesaver, often times paying the monthly cost in 24 hours of use. It took our team 9 months to develop this solution, & our current clients are very happy with the results. Best of luck catching proxies, and please feel free to use the ProxyGuard About and Solutions pages to inform yourselves of this problem. <img border="0" alt="[Bounce]" title="" src="graemlins/bounce.gif" /> Best regards, PxG

Dracula

03-13-2002, 01:13 AM

Ok, to keep things clear: 1. Yes, it will cost something, but it will be cheap (100$ let's say) 2. Will have multiple statistics. 3. Right now our main targets are UCJ and RB4. Later on, we can see what we can do for other scripts. 4. Will be truly multithreading. 5. The proxy detecting routine is 100% a custom one. 6. At request, we can work out a custom copy. 7. Is written ALL in assembler, so is the fastest you can get. For any other questions, contact me on icq.

Dracula

03-13-2002, 01:18 AM

I forgot to mention, you'll have a 2 day trial before you can buy.

03-13-2002, 02:18 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by PxG: Dear PeepnTom, Thanks so much for your comments. You’re right, it’s an expensive product, & most all of our clientele is comprised of larger pay-site-style players who do a lot of traffic per day. However, for them it’s a lifesaver, often times paying the monthly cost in 24 hours of use. It took our team 9 months to develop this solution, & our current clients are very happy with the results. Best of luck catching proxies, and please feel free to use the ProxyGuard About and Solutions pages to inform yourselves of this problem. <img border="0" alt="[Bounce]" title="" src="graemlins/bounce.gif" /> Best regards, PxG<hr /></blockquote>You're lying. It can't take more than 1 month. Or maybe your programming team are assholes.

03-13-2002, 02:22 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Dracula: Ok, to keep things clear: 1. Yes, it will cost something, but it will be cheap (100$ let's say) 2. Will have multiple statistics. 3. Right now our main targets are UCJ and RB4. Later on, we can see what we can do for other scripts. 4. Will be truly multithreading. 5. The proxy detecting routine is 100% a custom one. 6. At request, we can work out a custom copy. 7. Is written ALL in assembler, so is the fastest you can get. For any other questions, contact me on icq.<hr /></blockquote>Well well, program uses Sockets POSIX or BSD type, reads UCJ logs, parses them (for IPs) and scan for proxies, also its multithreaded. And all written in assembler? No way I don't believe you. Coded in C and ASM will have same speed, because speed depends of IP addresses Connection speed (You check their common ports). So stop lying to customers. If you know ASM very well, why you don't write a CJ script? Say FASTEST CJ Script in the world. LOL

Due

03-13-2002, 03:06 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by PxG: due, email and phone work just fine, for those who are interested <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>That's too bad. I prefer dealing over ICQ since it is a lot faster than mail and cheaper than ICQ <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Dracula> I will hit you op on ICQ later today <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

Dracula

03-13-2002, 06:05 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by XP: <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Dracula: Ok, to keep things clear: 1. Yes, it will cost something, but it will be cheap (100$ let's say) 2. Will have multiple statistics. 3. Right now our main targets are UCJ and RB4. Later on, we can see what we can do for other scripts. 4. Will be truly multithreading. 5. The proxy detecting routine is 100% a custom one. 6. At request, we can work out a custom copy. 7. Is written ALL in assembler, so is the fastest you can get. For any other questions, contact me on icq.<hr /></blockquote>Well well, program uses Sockets POSIX or BSD type, reads UCJ logs, parses them (for IPs) and scan for proxies, also its multithreaded. And all written in assembler? No way I don't believe you. Coded in C and ASM will have same speed, because speed depends of IP addresses Connection speed (You check their common ports). So stop lying to customers. If you know ASM very well, why you don't write a CJ script? Say FASTEST CJ Script in the world. LOL<hr /></blockquote>I'm not the programmer, first of all. Second, yes, is 100% pure ASM (assembler). I know the guy (the programmer) for about 10 years now... He's an ASM maniac. You know what MANIAC means? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> So, if assemebler is too much for a lot of people it doesn't mean is too much for everybody. It will be the fastest proxy scanner around.

DamageX

03-13-2002, 06:46 AM

SexySites

03-13-2002, 08:42 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by XP: If you know ASM very well, why you don't write a CJ script? Say FASTEST CJ Script in the world. LOL<hr /></blockquote>Touche .. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> laters, Chris

PxG

03-13-2002, 10:46 AM

Hey XP, I don't know what kind of "perl/php" programmer you are, but this took roughly 9 months to develop with ongoing development. As I mentioned, this is not a "script" or "hacked together" program, we have been testing it with some of the largest affiliate programs on the net, like Befree. That means its an enterprise level system capable of handling the over 2000 requests per second a BeFree pushes at it. We've code three different client-side pieces, including an apache C module version. If you've never coded C, its a little trickier than say perl or PHP. Not to mentiont the Windows versions. Also, we customized an operating system to handle the massive amount of network and database transactions required for this system. The funny thing is how could you speculate how long it took us to build the system out when you have no idea what it does, how it works, and what databases and languages we used. Seems silly to me... DamageX, this is a known technology and people have been using it for roughly two years now... I know we've been detecting it internally for that long at least. We're not tipping off anyone. Although this may be the first time you've heard of the problem, its better to educate yourself that the problem exists. Due, I've convinced the boss to allow me to install ICQ for communicating with you guys since you prefer it. Before I couldn't do it, because Danube Tech (our company) doesn't allow for instant messaging systems. If you or anyone else is interested, please drop me a note at: 153523878 Again, like Dracula's script, there are cheaper solutions that might suit your needs. But this is a tested industrial strength solution that we are 100% confident in. PxG

03-14-2002, 02:31 AM

Dear PxG I code in C/C++ too, but not good as Perl. And for 9 months thing, you only tested it with very high traffic pay-per-click affiliate programs. This is not concern us (Adult webmasters). I can instantly code a C/C++ proggie to detect proxies via headers (it will eliminate %85 of proxies in the net). Your system just scanning all IPs in extra. Also you have an IP database of proxies to save your system resources (against scanning same IP many times) Making a system like yours won't take much time, but you said custom operating system etc. Thats not required unless you want use one dedicated server for all your clients. So 9 month of work is none of adultwebmasters business.

toker

03-14-2002, 02:50 AM

I bet i can smoke a blunt faster then all of you!! <img border="0" alt="[Nod]" title="" src="graemlins/nod.gif" /> Hotboxing match anyone??? <img border="0" alt="[Bounce]" title="" src="graemlins/bounce.gif" />

PeepNTom

03-14-2002, 02:56 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by toker: I bet i can smoke a blunt faster then all of you!! <img border="0" alt="[Nod]" title="" src="graemlins/nod.gif" /> Hotboxing match anyone??? <img border="0" alt="" title="" src="graemlins/bounce.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>this could lead to [b]topic drift <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

keyman

03-14-2002, 05:04 AM

The sort of proxies used by hitbotters don't send X-Forwarded-For: headers, they're anonymous proxies. Being coded in asm could make the parsing sightly faster (or slower if its poorly written). There would probably be little or no advantage for the network code and AT&T assembly isn't highly portable if you're making kernel specific calls (such as int 0x80 on linux). Scanning for proxy ports on a very large scale should be done with raw IP sending a single SYN then a RST (if you're a nice person <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> ) after SYN/ACK. That would eliminate the main bottleneck, although raw sockets are only available to root on most machines. I'm not sure if its legal to actually connect to an open proxy and do a GET request. If these people (hitbotters) are professional about what they do, they could have 100's of trojanned machines that do the requests for them. You can't track that like a proxy.

run

03-14-2002, 05:39 AM

Dracula do you realize that the slowness will definately be on the socket side, not the CPU? A one in perl would work no slower than the one in asm... Coding that in assembler would be plain stupid. If you really have it coded this way, you better hide that fact.

Dracula

03-14-2002, 07:03 AM

Run, that reaction of people, when they heard about assembler, is the same: "pain in the ass, there are simple ways" etc Is so hard to understand that a programmer is making a software in the language he know best? Ok, if you can understand that, you can also understand that there can be people that master ASM better than others? Cool, if you understand that one too, then you're on the right path <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> To put in with other words, if he wants to make a small, tiny and low CPU usage software, is his business. Let him do it in any language he can, or he know best. What's the problem with ASM? My God!

run

03-14-2002, 08:05 AM

i dont even see a reason to discuss it, sorry, just told you what i think about it.

Dracula

03-14-2002, 10:27 AM

Run, I myself wonder what will come... Remeber that is not my script, I'm just helping the guy selling it. If that tool will make webmasters catch hitboters, that will be great. It is also cheap, so almost everybody can afford it. Cheap tools to catch cheaters are good for business. I know what this script can do, and of course is always a chance that someone can make a better one.