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Serpent

03-09-2002, 01:10 AM

While reading a newspaper I came across an article about how to legally evade taxes. It gave a reference url to learn more which is the following: <a href="http://www.detaxcanada.org/index1.htm" target="_blank">http://www.detaxcanada.org/index1.htm</a> It mostly applies to Canadian laws but Americans can learn a lot about their basic rights from it too. The document is pretty heavy, lots of pages, took me long hours to read but let me tell you it's worth it, especially canadians. I knew our government was corrupted but this is fucking insane. The most important points I got from it are: Governement doesn't consider us as man or woman, we are considered as individual corporations. As a man or woman, you can not have taxes imposed upon you, paying taxes is a voluntary act. As a corporation, you have a contract with the government stating you owe them taxes. A proof of how you are considered a corporation is when you get a job. Ever noticed how they make you print you name in capital letters with family name in front? That is your corporation identity to the governement. It is the right of the free man to create or deny a corporation in his name. However, the government tricks us into signing contracts in which we turn ourselves into corporation like when you sign the papers for a new job. By denying yourself being a corporation, you retreive your human rights and are no longer under corporation laws. As a human, you have the rights to your full property, wether it be your skills, your labour, your time, your material aquisitions. The canadian government frauds us into paying them taxes because we are uneducated. The canadian government is one big joke. No constitution exist between the canadian people and the governement. The canadian government is a business, not a commitee representing the people. I think I've said enough. Read the website for more and post your thoughts. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

jojo

03-09-2002, 01:20 AM

there is a group here in the USA called the AWARE GROUP. that basicly teaches you basicly on the same thing. i listen to a tape on it and many americans would be shock at what are country is doing to us and it is easier then you would think to get away with some of the shit they make us do.

-=[hartman]=-

03-09-2002, 09:49 AM

spam?

playa

03-09-2002, 10:10 AM

this fucking <img border="0" alt="[Spam]" title="" src="graemlins/spam.gif" /> tell that story to all the mofos in jail for tax evasion,,, what, there million dollar lawyers couldn't get them out jail and not pay taxes but your little 5 dollar website has all the answers,, <img border="0" alt="[ROTFLMAO]" title="" src="graemlins/rotflmao.gif" />

Foots

03-09-2002, 10:18 AM

PAY YOUR DAMN TAXES!....I KNOW none of you tax evaders are making big money,so why not just claim the $30k you make a year and pay the couple thousands you owe Dumb thing is to put your name out there that you evade taxes,thats called an automatic audit,you will end up being an enron exec's bitch

Serpent

03-09-2002, 12:27 PM

WTF? This ain't my fucking website. This website doesn't even cost a dime so if you're not interested just shut up. With all the talk on here about taxes I just thought it would be interesting. And about a lawyer, if you read all the info in there you would know that you if you get a lawyer you're sure to lose your case. If you step before the judge as a human man or woman and not as a corporation in Canada, the judge can only dismiss the case. New thing I found out. You can refuse to pay taxes in canada because the governement still has nuclear weapons. After World War 2, Canada signed the Nuremberg treatee which encourage humans to refuse to support any society that is involved in the making of nuclear weapons or other mass murder weapons. It is your right as a full liability man to have your own opinion and refuse to support such an act. You can learn so much in a day when not afraid to read <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

AgentCash

03-09-2002, 01:55 PM

Canada has nuclear weapons??? I thought they still used pointy sticks and rocks... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

Serpent

03-09-2002, 02:20 PM

Pointy sticks and rocks... I wish we and all other nations had only that.

shane94

03-09-2002, 03:04 PM

Haven't we done discussed this topic <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />

High Roller

03-09-2002, 03:56 PM

Actually everyone I have heard this before more than once.

Terrance11

03-09-2002, 04:22 PM

A good way of not paying taxes is by going to jail <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />

Serpent

03-09-2002, 04:23 PM

And what are your thoughts on it oneweb? I posted this topic to get some opinions on the matter and I thought more people would be better educated on it. I admit the website looks cheap but there's a tremendous amount of well backed info on there. All the answers here seems to be from people blindly paying taxes and believing it's right. Well anyway I can't really argue with those of you who haven't read on this. There are too many facts for me to resume here. I can't blame you either for believing that you're doomed if you don't pay your taxes, the government does all it can to prevent you from aknowledging your rights and if you would decide to stop paying your taxes you would have to be prepared to defend yourself so most people prefer to be let alone, have no problem with the government but at the cost of 60% of their income, a personal choice, but I know where I stand <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

AgentCash

03-09-2002, 04:34 PM

Well I consulted with my lawyer a few years ago about a similar website for the US. He essentially said that for it to work, you have to prove that you do not benefit in any way from tax sponsored programs, or activities. So that means if you can prove in a court of law that you don't use public transportation, sidewalks, gutters, roads, police, firemen, libraries, community colleges, public schools, etc... then by all means go for it! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />

High Roller

03-09-2002, 05:40 PM

I don't really use anything of the state except for maybe roads. I dont' use librairies, done with school, no hospitals never sick, no fires, never need a cop, never ever on unemployment My dad listened to large conference call for one hour about it, and he said the people that did the conference call about the not paying taxes sounded very intellengent, and it was very convincing, and valid proof for everything, they really knew there stuff.

AgentCash

03-09-2002, 06:13 PM

My lawyer's point was that everybody uses something that taxes helped pay for. You can't just say "Well, I only use roads, so I should get a discount." The police help prevent crimes, the firemen keep fires from turning into raging infernos that consume the whole city, the army keeps other countries at bay. You may not directly use the services, but you indirectly benefit from them. I've talked to people that believe in this tax-free notion, and they are very intelligent as well. I'm not saying it's stupid. Hell, I hate taxes as much as the next guy... but, I hate prison more.

unconnected

03-09-2002, 09:33 PM

Yea, amen to that.. Your children will use schools and I can imagine you won't be bitching about the hospitals much once one of them comes down with an infection, or any of your family for that matter.. But I suppose we would be better off as an illiterate, un-education, starving, anarchy-ridden civilization on fire all the time, but I think I will pay the 30k in taxes and be done with it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> The problem with looking that one tile in a mosiac is that you dont' have a clue what you are looking at or what that tile is apart of..

Kai_89

03-10-2002, 12:03 AM

I for one live in the united states. I do not support my government, I pay taxes only to stay out of jail. I am even looking into leaving the country and discontinuing my citizenship. If there is a way to legaly evade taxes in this country or any other first world country then my ears are wide open.

playa

03-10-2002, 12:14 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Kai_89: I for one live in the united states. I do not support my government, I pay taxes only to stay out of jail. I am even looking into leaving the country and discontinuing my citizenship. If there is a way to legaly evade taxes in this country or any other first world country then my ears are wide open.<hr /></blockquote>get the fuck out then,, i am sure some afghan will love to trade places with you

AgentCash

03-10-2002, 12:35 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by playa: get the fuck out then,, i am sure some afghan will love to trade places with you<hr /></blockquote>Amen to that! Our country may have it's problems, but it's a helluva lot better than most places.

Kai_89

03-10-2002, 01:06 AM

oh, a couple of true patriots eh ? why dont you do the world a favor and walk off a cliff.

DK?

03-10-2002, 01:15 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Kai_89: oh, a couple of true patriots eh ? why dont you do the world a favor and walk off a cliff.<hr /></blockquote>After you, shitface. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" />

Serpent

03-10-2002, 01:18 AM

About having no services because we don't pay taxes, it's plain fictional bullshit. Our taxes only pay a small part of the interest of the national debt in canada. It is only a political tactic in which you are obviously entrapped. The fact is that the government should never have given away it's duty to make new money to banks. Giving that power to banks is only an act of greed by the government to slow down the inflation of its currency. 70% of the money banks have is non-existent. Now just imagine if that 70% of all banks would be in the governement's hands. Do you really beleive our paid taxes would compare with that amount? Not at all. But the national money would be worth less because people would have more money in their bank accounts instead of being indebted. So what? Numbers will get higher more rapidly with time but do you really care? The thing to point out here is that the government should be the one creating money to provide us our services. I realize this is a very complicated matter which demands to review our whole political structures. But somewhere in time, things are gonna have to change. From what I've read, the best example of a almost perfect society structure is switzerland. I believe it is run as a republic. If there are any webmasters from there, please tell me about your way of life. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

Kai_89

03-10-2002, 01:22 AM

<img border="0" alt="[Finger]" title="" src="graemlins/finger.gif" /> A word to the brain washed. taxes in the USA are so high because we carry the burden of our governments debt, its not our debt, its theirs. Its a debt that has been accumulated by all of the united states past war efforts, most of which by the way happened before I was born, and now this wonderful government want to destroy my beloved Alaska because their oil is running dry. Even though the US holds a gigantic 3% of the worlds oil reserves. Why do they need to resort to violating the Alaskan nature reserves ? Because the government has given very little if not any support to alternate energy sources. So why has the government helped in the supression of these clean energy technologies ? Because the government gets a cut out of every barrel sold in the united states. Because of the fucking taxes they make on the oil. So yeah I think I will get the fuck out.

cyber_ninja

03-10-2002, 01:24 AM

Pay your taxes,your country needs you!!!

AgentCash

03-10-2002, 01:30 AM

4.2) How do you make a contribution to reduce the debt? Please follow these important steps to make a contribution to reduce the debt. Make check payable to the "Bureau of the Public Debt" In the memo section of the check, make sure you write "Gift to reduce the Debt Held by the Public " Mail check to - ATTN DEPT G BUREAU OF THE PUBLIC DEBT P O BOX 2188 PARKERSBURG, WV 26106-2188 --------------- Taken from <a href="http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdfaq.htm#opdfaq42" target="_blank">http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdfaq.htm#opdfaq42</a> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> And Kai... a big <img border="0" alt="[Finger]" title="" src="graemlins/finger.gif" /> to you!

Kai_89

03-10-2002, 01:37 AM

It is not the publics debt, its the governments debt. I have never contributed to this debt, why should i pay it ? I'm not trying to get into a fight here, i just want to know why i should carry the burden for money spent before i was born, by government officals that i didnt elect ? This is an honest question.

pr0view

03-10-2002, 03:17 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Serpent: From what I've read, the best example of a almost perfect society structure is switzerland. I believe it is run as a republic. If there are any webmasters from there, please tell me about your way of life. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>switzerland is by far the worst example of democracy because everything is decided by public votes. yes, people claim that this is a real democracy but when a government has no cotrol over the state matters, things are far from being right. there are certain things that take experts and routine to get handled and usually very few of the ordinary citizens have the necessary understanding to take the correct decision. switzerland is a rich country only because they stay away from the world. they are not even a member of the UN. their isolation helps them to still exist as a country (despite that pseudo-democracy over there). on a related note - taxes should be paid. if you don't like it, find a country where you can shelter your income and move there <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

flyingiguana

03-10-2002, 03:26 AM

toker

03-10-2002, 04:56 AM

So donate all your money to a foundation that stands for the same beliefs as you and take a write off. That would be putting your money to good use and doing the right thing because you have given the money and can feel good about where it goes. Now you think its wrong you should pay for your ancestors mistakes?? How do you think indians feel about the land their ancestors lost?? Maybe you die and leave behind a $50k in debts who should pay me or your family or children? Somone has to pick up the tab and yes we have to pay for the mistakes of past generations. The past has alot to do with the future and the choices you make today will have an effect on what happens tomorrow. Now does the US Gov waste money?? You bet you ass they do think about it war is a huge moneymaker. Every vehicle that gets destroyed must be replaced, Bombs dropped, tons of ammo not to mention costs to pay soldiers and equipt them costs money. Its not a consumer market therefore its not an economy booster but it does make money for military suppliers. All the FIBER telcos have put accross the globe its a business expense for these companies so tax payers foot most of the bill. I think its still fair for me or anyone else to pay the maintence fees and costs involved. As long as they provide me quality service and improvements for years to come im happy. So many differ things taxes fund it really goes beyond paving roads and building schools. If you dont like it move to a country without taxes and a weak government that wont care if your neighbor rapes your wife or murders your children.

playa

03-10-2002, 07:21 AM

there is only two things guaranteed in life DEATH and TAXES you got a problem with high taxes then do your part and organize a group or something and vote for someone you support,,,after all you do have that right,, talking shit on the sideline won't get you far and you'll just deserve what you get,,, instead of wasting your time on not paying taxes,,you should focus on taking advantage of the tax system, you'd be surprised with what you can write off in taxes

playa

03-10-2002, 07:28 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Kai_89: It is not the publics debt, its the governments debt. I have never contributed to this debt, why should i pay it ? I'm not trying to get into a fight here, i just want to know why i should carry the burden for money spent before i was born, by government officals that i didnt elect ? This is an honest question.<hr /></blockquote>maybe you should study your history more and be grateful,,, be happy that you ain't speaking russian or german as the spoken language in the US. you'll never know what he you had till its gone.. so go ahead and move to the middle east,,, i heard they love former US citizens,,

Foots

03-10-2002, 09:21 AM

whats with the canada talk? you're a shitty country,THATS why taxes arent needed as much and its overlooked..bottomline...the states are better because we pay are taxes and live a better life for it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> living in jail in canada is probably better living then being free

Kai_89

03-10-2002, 01:40 PM

I do not hate paying taxes for the right things, i dont not disrespect the police force or the side walks the plumbing the electricity. But why should i pay taxes for things i dont belive in ? I would much rather live in a place like Switzerland, with people who arent so war like.

IronManX

03-10-2002, 02:13 PM

It's amazing that people are complaing about taxes while they use something that was made possible through taxes. The INTERNET! Half of other tech we use subsidized by the U.S. gov't. If you don't want to pay taxes, then just don't pay them don't rationalize it by saying you don't use public goods. Like roads, electricity, phone lines, radio spectrum, national defense, police, health care, vacines, and all the rest of the shit gov't subsidises and/or regulates to make sure you don't die from e-coli in a fucking hamburger at McDonalds. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />

Kai_89

03-10-2002, 02:37 PM

i just said i do not mind paying for those things. I know we need those things

flyingiguana

03-10-2002, 03:01 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Foots: whats with the canada talk? you're a shitty country,THATS why taxes arent needed as much and its overlooked..bottomline...the states are better because we pay are taxes and live a better life for it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> living in jail in canada is probably better living then being free<hr /></blockquote>we're taxed out of our asses up here. there isn't a whole lot of difference between canada and the states in regards to standard of living. ur a bit misinformed there.

Serpent

03-11-2002, 01:20 AM

All of you thinking that taxes pay for your services have been brainwashed into thinking so. And so has everyone else who lack the interest to look back into our history as it really happened and NOT as you were thaught in school. Right now, what is happening is that our government is selling our country to banks by letting them create new money. Anyone interested and has time can read this page: <a href="http://www.cyberclass.net/nousury01.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cyberclass.net/nousury01.htm</a> It's a letter that was composed for the prime minister Jean Chretien. It's long but worth reading if you seek an overview of the thruth. A great reading for americans too. It's the history as you weren't thought in school. The rise of power of governments above our human rights didn't happen over night so you can't assume to be in any position to argue until you have learned the real historical facts and I mean all of them. You can't rely on the education you got in school as it was already government-controlled and very important facts were deliberately left out. You can't rely on what you think you know as facts either (eg: that taxes pay for services). You have to forget everything, go back and study history for the last 150 years, and understand it. Only then will you have a non-government influenced knowledge of the situation. Of course it takes will to read and learn all that stuff and that's why not many people know the real facts, hence they blindly support a fraudulent government because they have been brought up that way. Those who know the history and the real law (not the one you learn in law school) know how to legally withdraw themselves from the taxing system, from paying for driver's lisenses, etc. Knowledge is power.

flyingiguana

03-11-2002, 01:31 AM

creating new money drops the value of ur currency. simple supply and demand. last time i checked u need a positive cash flow to not run a deficit. spend more than u take in and guess what? u have a deficit.

Serpent

03-11-2002, 01:53 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> It's amazing that people are complaing about taxes while they use something that was made possible through taxes. The INTERNET! Half of other tech we use subsidized by the U.S. gov't. If you don't want to pay taxes, then just don't pay them don't rationalize it by saying you don't use public goods. Like roads, electricity, phone lines, radio spectrum, national defense, police, health care, vacines, and all the rest of the shit gov't subsidises and/or regulates to make sure you don't die from e-coli in a fucking hamburger at McDonalds. <hr /></blockquote>I just had to say something on this post. First of all, you are right, trying to rationalize not paying taxes because you don't use services is not the way to go. As I mentioned taxes do NOT pay for services including the internet. Let me introduce a concept, it is the hierachy of our society: 1. God 2. Man 3. Constitution 4. Government What it means is that the government is the servant of the people and is bound to the laws on which the constitution is built. All the services you mention were never provided to you by the government, they were provided to you by you and all the other human beings in your country. The sole purpose of government is to do what humans must do collectively and that does not include stealing money from its creators. The new services such as the internet would have seen the light without the present government anyway. Why? Because we evolve. Our technology would still have evolved to a point where internet was possible. In no way was it the great creation of the government. It was a human idea and it was built by humans, not the fictional entity you call government. The government doesn't give us permission to create such new services. We give permissions to the government as it is our public servant and that is a fact, you just need to know it. Enough for tonight I need to sleep. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />