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easy18s

11-08-2001, 05:27 PM

All i hear now a days is people complaining about how they never get any signups but they are getting 100k a day, or 200k a day or more.
Tell me this. If you have so much traffic to work with, why worry about signups, why not just use a pay per click program. There are many that pay 3,4,5 cents a click and at lets say 4 cents a click.. if you get 200k a day you should easily be able to send 10k to it.. 10k x 4 cents a click = $400 a day.

If anyone can please explain why signup sponsors are better even for people who get no signups please tell me, because i am mind boggled.

ludwik

11-08-2001, 05:35 PM

traffic from 200k tgp doesn't generate any signup..... heh

so... probably you will not generate any signup in click program....

and you will not be pay, because your ratio will be shity

easy18s

11-08-2001, 05:49 PM

That is a good point, Now there are some sponsors that dont really track signups through click programs or at least dont seem to care (ex. babylon). So maby that would work out..

But what would you say to someone who isnt getting any signups. There has to be a way to make money (other than dialers?)

basschick

11-08-2001, 05:56 PM

babylon actually DOES have a conversion ratio, but there are several highly reputable blind link sponsors that take traffic almost any way you send it.

also there are per minute dialers and drop charge dialers.

Doctor Dre

11-08-2001, 05:57 PM

10k x 4 cents a click = $400 a day

mmmmmmmm check
10k x 4 cents a click and remove 90 % for shaving = $40 a day

Seriously I was sending like 7-8k + ucj and making 10 $ with nexcash long time ago ... now it's even worst they count only us lol

per click is a real joke

xApster

11-08-2001, 06:20 PM

Per click is the newbie way i would say.. or the mass traffic way.. the real money is in per sign up / recurring and thats how most webmasteers that make money do it :)

XxxPower.net

11-08-2001, 07:30 PM

It's not easy to make money nowdays. We should work very herd to convert the traffic into money no matter 100 or 200k/day is site. But if you can't make signups for yourself try to sell the traffic to someone else, may be he will sell better for you, that's why some folks are using per click programs. I agree with xApster that per click is for newbies. You can make more money from per sign-up and reccuring.

Also it's not easy to send 10k clicks. I'm getting like 250-300k/day, but I'll start losing big traffic if I have to send those hits to sponsor instead of trade.

nasko :cool:

DialerEntertainment

11-08-2001, 07:57 PM

What about candid clicks (http://www.candidclicks.com/cgi-bin/refer.pl?whoresexxx)?

or.. without my refer code..candid clicks (http://www.candidclicks.com/)

D0b3rman

11-08-2001, 08:11 PM

babylon cancelled my account for bad ratio, BUT they never cancel if u send like 100 hits a day and get 1 signup a month or something.. the reason why they cancelled my account is cause i was sending 1k a day with no signups at all

XxxPower.net

11-08-2001, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by D0b3rman:
babylon cancelled my account for bad ratio, BUT they never cancel if u send like 100 hits a day and get 1 signup a month or something.. the reason why they cancelled my account is cause i was sending 1k a day with no signups at all

The same happened to me in the past. Every sponsor won't pay you if your traffic is shit, that's for sure :)

And the TGP traffic is very bad quality :(

D0b3rman

11-08-2001, 08:45 PM

OH I forgot to mention a very important detail!!!! Babylon cancelled my account but I did indeed receive every single penny I had made.. shitty traffic or not they might cancel you but they are very honest and still pay all money you made... !! :)

Jenny

11-08-2001, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by XxxPower.net:


And the TGP traffic is very bad quality :(

it is at the moment.... a few months ago I was able to run a site with 150k a day and make $10k to $20k a month.....I think its really not tgp traffic thats bad I think its either this shitty war or something but now them $10k to $20k a month have turned into barely enough to live.

XxxPower.net

11-08-2001, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by D0b3rman:
OH I forgot to mention a very important detail!!!! Babylon cancelled my account but I did indeed receive every single penny I had made.. shitty traffic or not they might cancel you but they are very honest and still pay all money you made... !! :)

Yes, they always pay their webmasters. They paid me as well.

XxxPower.net

11-08-2001, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by Jenny:


it is at the moment.... a few months ago I was able to run a site with 150k a day and make $10k to $20k a month.....I think its really not tgp traffic thats bad I think its either this shitty war or something but now them $10k to $20k a month have turned into barely enough to live.

We should start thinking and find new better ways to get the serfer's money. It seems like the dialers doesn't works very weel these days and sign-ups ratios sucks.

I hope that everything will be as good as before soon, but probably it won't.

gse

11-08-2001, 09:28 PM

what if you advertise some nonadult stuff on your galleries instead of porn? I don't know, maybe some 'cheap cigarettes from mexico' or something, lol

Or sell 'handbook of the hacker' for $10 or whatever. anyone wants to try?

easy18s

11-08-2001, 10:09 PM

These are all good responses.
I think we should find a new way to increase our income. Similar to how the came up with dialers, which at first were great. We need something that serfers havent seen before. Maby a donation program or selling odd items or added a members section that offers something unique (still thinking about what though), I have a feeling that if everyone just sits and thinks hard about what surfers want that they might end up with a great idea.

XxxPower.net

11-08-2001, 10:12 PM

"'handbook of the hacker' for $10"

LOL, why so cheap ? :)

D0b3rman

11-08-2001, 10:19 PM

cause all it teaches you is the basic stuff you can find on text files all over the net and in irc chans hehehehe

donger

11-09-2001, 01:32 AM

why don't you people wake up and support the tgp2 movement?

everybody wants to trade "high quality" traffic, but then everyone poisons their own traffic by linking to high quality galleries. Face it, ppl: traffic that has been looking at a high quality TGP is LOW QUALITY traffic. it's garbage, and i have no idea why you people are so intent on collecting it. If you had started raping the surfer a long time ago, instead of coddling them like a dumbass, maybe you would have sold some memberships. just my 2 cents.
donger

Toni

11-09-2001, 03:33 AM

Per Click is the most stupid thing that could be used. At the end the surfer needs to pull out his cc so the program can make money. If your traffic is good you would make more with a per-signup or with a partnership program. If your traffic is bad your account gets canceled, shaved…..

Donger: TGP2 is a thing that definitely needs to be supported. If everybody would support it the whole industry would make a lot more money.

snow

11-09-2001, 05:17 AM

Makes alot of sense Donger..Good post.

Bean

11-09-2001, 07:47 AM

Simple way to fix the problem.

Allow a javascript pop up on entrance that leads to a dialer. Traffic quality goes down, but your revenue will up. What good is productivity if its not making you any money?

People bitch a fit about pop ups, but its the money that counts.

Put a javascript pop up on your pages for a day and see how much more money you make.

Dracula

11-09-2001, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by Bean:
Simple way to fix the problem.

Allow a javascript pop up on entrance that leads to a dialer. Traffic quality goes down, but your revenue will up. What good is productivity if its not making you any money?

People bitch a fit about pop ups, but its the money that counts.

Put a javascript pop up on your pages for a day and see how much more money you make.

I just love this guy!

People, PLEASE wake up! :D

kafka

11-09-2001, 09:57 AM

I think the surfer has enough of all the same shit. Ripping of by sites who has the same leased content. The most mature sites for example have much teen content!! My God, thats killing the business.

Quality is what counts not quantity.
Look at the frontpage of most sites. They are all the same. Be original and they signup.

TGP traffic is very bad traffic for the TGP's themselves too. Even TheHun is making less money compared to its traffic.
I think we must boycot the TGP's and find an alternitive.

Brian911

11-09-2001, 10:03 AM

conversions suck. blind click programs shave.

I couldnt believe it would be worse than last month but it is, now not even dialers really work anymore.

So theres nothing _I_ can do as a "small" webmaster except go niche and try to AVOID every tgp post - I wont support thehun etc. anymore just to make a few bucks IF AT ALL per gallery!

there will be the day when the big tgps forget that "surfer friendly" crap and ppl who dont want to deal with it WILL join pay sites again. hopefully the progress will be fast.

I`m just lucky that I dont depend on my adult site $$ atm

gse

11-09-2001, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by kafka:


Quality is what counts not quantity.
Look at the frontpage of most sites. They are all the same. Be original and they signup.



Ok, you people right. $10 for hadbook of the hacker is too low. Maybe I can charge $50 if I include 'shadow scanner' for beginners. Haha
I'm just trying to be original.

You all have nothing better to do than giving your surfers all for free.
what the fuck?
back in 1999 with 20k se traffic we could make $70k per month. Now even se traffic is total garbage.

shunga

11-09-2001, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by Brian911:
there will be the day when the big tgps forget that "surfer friendly" crap

The problem isn't being "surfer friendly", that actually helps us all in the long run, the problem is the availability of hardcore, and when people stop giving hardcore away for free, more people will pay for it.

Brian911

11-09-2001, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by shunga:


The problem isn't being "surfer friendly", that actually helps us all in the long run, the problem is the availability of hardcore, and when people stop giving hardcore away for free, more people will pay for it.

of course you're right with the free content.
but creating more high-traffic popup hells (aka CJs ;) again and tgps adding more ads etc. will help us.. after some time surfers realize that there just aint enough free "surfer friendly" content out there.

the current tgp rules ensuring all galleries being surfer friendly is a pure joke - at least for me.
I cant make any decent money with the current sign-up situation and no inner-table ads and just 2 banners/text links allowed..

tgp2 is a first step but I cant afford "wasting" a set for 500-1000 hits YET.

matuloo

11-09-2001, 01:27 PM

This discussion is going over and over again without anyone changind anything.

You all bich about TGP and still new tgps arrise everyday, plus how many of you submit clean galleries everyday?

CJs are turning into tgps aswell, with all this fucking "clean" regulations. Almost None of you wants to trade with a site that has a console on it, every second site wants some content etc etc...

Kill the TGP concept finally, stop creating galleries - fuck all TGPs, move into TGP2 or get ahold with it and stop whinning!!!

I am sorry if this post "attacked" someone, but I have enough of reading how it sucks and then see a lot of people who post this way to own TGPs and submit their own galleries every day.

manga

11-09-2001, 01:34 PM

The problem isn't being "surfer friendly", that actually helps us all in the long run

I disagree. The surfer friendly attitude is what's killing us. Take galleries, for example, two years ago you could use all sorts of deceptive links on a gallery to get a surfer to click, now none of the tgps allow that. Links like Next, More, Home, etc, or banners that look like thumbs, or buttons, are "webmaster friendly". Webmaster friendly means you get more clickthroughs to your sponsor and make more money. Surfer friendly means giving the surfer more of what he wants for free, getting fewer clickthroughs from him, and making less money. Now if you're all in this business to make surfers happy and makes less money then surfer friendly is great. If not, then we need to turn back the clock and go back to frustrating the surfer. We need more cj sites, more consoles, more deceptive links, less free content, smaller thumbs, lower picture resolution, etc. Signing up to a paysite has to be "worth it" for the surfer, right now it's not.

shunga

11-09-2001, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by manga:
Surfer friendly means giving the surfer more of what he wants for free, getting fewer clickthroughs from him, and making less money.

I wouldn't use that definition. ;) The surfer wants hardcore, but you don't give that away for free. Instead you build the desire for hardcore through softcore. That's how you make a sale. Giving hardcore away for free is a shortcut to higher traffic, and it seems to me that some people are chasing traffic rather than sales.

manga

11-09-2001, 04:10 PM

I've heard that story before but I don't buy it. Say what you will, but I know for a fact that everything was 10 times better before this surfer friendly clean movement started, and that's a fact. Simple deductive reasoning.

STEVEN

11-09-2001, 04:16 PM

TGPs can still make money, but you need to have a LOT of traffic, and you will have tighter operating margins (less profits). Or you need to specialize in a niche. I'm seeing that increased traffic on my niche TGPs does NOT put more money in my pocket. Looks like a long weekend of re-designing a few sites to get more firmly entrenched in their niche.

I am still going to open more TGPs, since traffic is always a powerful tool to posses. But I am also going to jump into CJ - pure CJ where I can fucking hammer the surfer to death with dialers and whatever else I can think of. I really got inspired by Shane's post, and a brief chat with the guy on ICQ.

I'm not saying 100K CJ sites are coming back, but I do think they have a place in this business. I mean, if I can get more minutes out of a dialer on a 30k CJ site than I can on a 100K TGP - then what the fuck? More money for less operating expenses is a good thing. And no gallery reviews? Cool. I know you need to watch your trades, and tweak your site layouts, but I do that now on TGPs. How many of you TGP owners are working your trades like mad, every day? I know a few who posted here put me to shame, both in traffic levels and in dedication to working their trades.

Another thing I suggest more webmasters do is open a TGP2 site. I converted a dead CJ2 site into a TGP2 site, and I'm pleased with the results. The BW is low, the click thru ratios are high, and sponsors are starting to give out nice perks (free traffic, higher payouts, special programs). Yeah, I would say the traffic level needs to go up, but I think it will. Especially if a few more guys who have some scripts + traffic in their control test the waters. Remember, before Shap gave his "founding CJ father" speech here, a big TGP was 50K/day. Now, that's like page 3 on sextracker.

As far as gallery building goes - 5 pics/gallery means that $80 photo set you just bought can go a long way. 50 softcore pics is 10 galleries (at least), and you can submit more than one gallery/day. You can also do all the things we USED to do to TGP galleries. More ads, more chances to get the surfer to the join page. And you can always link your own shit.

Well, if you are looking for options, I just laid out a few. There's always more.

bigdog

11-09-2001, 04:18 PM

nexcash how about offering a $1 a signup for the guys on the board

RaiDeN

11-09-2001, 05:16 PM

The whole part of this is....

some time ago conversions were shitty, and everyone thought.. well lets be nice to the surfer and offer galleries, and with clean sites, sufers will love us, and it will be all better,

But its not...
the surfer now gets WAY more easily what he wants then before.
result> even worse signup ratios

1 year ago i was able to make 1:600 from the java console (and thats blind shit)

now i can be happy to make 1:600 for fucking banner clickstroughs.....

its going down guys, and fast 4 sure.

We offer to much to the surfer for free,

lets him jerk around untill they are anoyed like before. and have him pull his his CC to get rid of it like it used to.

shunga

11-09-2001, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by manga:
I've heard that story before but I don't buy it.

It works for me. ;)

Royaltee_Gee!

11-09-2001, 06:38 PM

Exactly Raiden!

manga

11-09-2001, 07:43 PM

Well said, Steven and Raiden.

phoneman

11-09-2001, 07:58 PM

Where is babylon website anyway? Anyone know?

MayorX

11-09-2001, 09:02 PM

Ahh I read ALL of your posts and see a great valid of complaints! and yes I 2 AGREE that all these old and new TGPS all whore out their content, and this is not a new topic! it has been going on for YEARS!

KILL the TGP = $$$$$
KILL the TGP = $$$$$
KILL the TGP = $$$$$
KILL the TGP = $$$$$
KILL the TGP = $$$$$
KILL the TGP = $$$$$
KILL the TGP = $$$$$

MORE CLEAN TGP'S = LESS $$$$

if you can get it for free why bother paying for it.. = THE MIND OF 75% SURFER TEST...

end of story

XxxPower.net

11-09-2001, 09:49 PM

I see the light in the TGP2...clean, quality, less content, more sales!

xApster

11-09-2001, 09:51 PM

How are many many many tgp webmasters including my self making lots of money off tgp traffic ? Is it magic?

How come my galleries that I submit to tgps never convert over 1:500? Is it magic?

No its thinking out of the box.. Don't use banners, don't use blind links think of new way to sell shit !!!

Adapt to the new times instead of living in the past... living in the past is what kills you and your income.

shane

11-09-2001, 11:47 PM

TGPs sux! CJs Rule :D

Torben

11-10-2001, 03:28 AM

Originally posted by easy18s:
All i hear now a days is people complaining about how they never get any signups but they are getting 100k a day, or 200k a day or more.
Tell me this. If you have so much traffic to work with, why worry about signups, why not just use a pay per click program. There are many that pay 3,4,5 cents a click and at lets say 4 cents a click.. if you get 200k a day you should easily be able to send 10k to it.. 10k x 4 cents a click = $400 a day.

If anyone can please explain why signup sponsors are better even for people who get no signups please tell me, because i am mind boggled.

That is very theoretical. I got a banner, on the top of a 20k TGP, paying me 3 cents a click. I get around 25 clicks = 75 cents a day from this sponsor. So if I had 200k of traffic I would probably get 200k/20k*75 cents = $7.5 a day, NOT $400 a day. :rolleyes:

Zooguys

11-10-2001, 03:52 AM

Hmm well I kinda have to agree that the cleaner the galleries, the worse are the signup ratios since noone click banners anymore (they do, but not as many)
I had 5270522 Unique hits last month and still signup ratio sucks, give them a few pics and a short movie and signup is quite fine, but now? minimum 10 pics, preferred with no banners and atleast listed on 3-5 other TGP's that is bullshit

back to the old days, I had a freesite with 1 entrance popup and 1 exit popup and had PLENTY of traffic and loads of signups, but I can't get such a site listed anymore :(

An 10 webmasters agreeing that we have to change things doesn't help on the 1000's just running the same lane as they always do, that way we wont kill The Hun and other "user friendly" sites

TGP2 CJ (not 2) is kinda a step on the way, popups are fine, just not 520387528573 of them in and endless loop, that pisses the user off and that is why popups are so hated as they are, go back to a FEW non-looping popups and it will surely be better than what we have now

Zooguys

shunga

11-10-2001, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by xApster:
Don't use banners, don't use blind links think of new way to sell shit !!!

And I wonder why surfers don't trust banners anymore..? ;) You're right about being more creative. It's not just a choice between putting a few pictures and banners up or annoying surfers with endless popups.

manga

11-10-2001, 09:52 AM

It's true, we're not going to change the big guys' attitude about this. They don't give a fuck because they're looking for advertising dollars, so the cleaner the better for them. They were always there and will probably always be there. It doesn't matter. Any change is good, even if it's only 10 guys starting it. When cj first started it was only an idea between a few guys. Same thing when Shap put his post here and all the cjs became tgps. There's no reason why things can't change again. All it takes is a little motivation, and I think a lot of people are motivated right now.

Dcorp

11-10-2001, 10:00 AM

go and sign up : cash.nocheat.com
they are really paying for your all unique click , no matters how many sing ups ...

manga

11-10-2001, 10:01 AM

Xapster and Shunga, I agree with you both about being more creative and thinking out of the box. You can't do what everybody else is doing and expect to make money, which is also why we can't have a ton of tgps out there giving it all away. There's a need for more balance. TGP2 is a pretty good idea, so is bringing back the cjs. It's all good, and I'm sure there are some webmasters out there with some great ideas the nobody has thought of yet. Creative thinking doesn't stop with tgps and galleries.

xApster

11-10-2001, 01:30 PM

As long as the cj/tgp p=60 or whatever excists (which dominates tgps right now) people will still get pissed and want 100% clean sites with good movies and pictures...

If you want to get sign ups give someone a site with tons of high quality movies / live feeds... something that is not so easly gotten... Movies are not yet givin away for free like pictures and are a very easy thing to sell to a horny surfer who is tired of pictures.

Shianna

11-10-2001, 02:35 PM

Why does it matter if the big guys change or not? If we are making twice as much $ on 1/2 the traffic I say let them have their shitty ratio's I'm going where the $ is. Why should I or anybody else continue to give away too much for free and make less $ just because someone else is? If everyone who agree's that a change is needed actually changes their sites then we will all do better and can all trade traffic with each other :D

easy18s

11-10-2001, 02:47 PM

Okay, The fact that sites give away lots of free content definitly is lowering everyones income. However, I dont think the answer is giving less free content. There are to many sites that offer free content wheather they are main streem or not, It would be imposible to get rid of all the free content, even if everyone on this board changes there site. I think we need to accept the fact that surfers can easily get free content and work with it to make money. Find new ways to continue giving free content but also get paid. Perhaps it could be by having surfers getting involved in auctions, donations or anything else you can think of. Or maby it is just time to say f*ck the SF BS, and go back to the good ol' java alerts, popups, and missleading links. Remember if you are creative you can always make money. Lets take for example this, How many sites have you been to with a link that sais "FREE PORN" or "HARDCORE - CLICK HERE" or "GET INSTANT ACCESS" or "CLICK HERE FOR (TEEN,AMATEUR,WHATEVER). It is everywhere, and many people use these methods for linking to there sponsors, Maby try and come up with a new phrase or use something that isnt seen on ever other site out there, for linking to your sponsors. Just be creative, that has never hurt anyone.

manga

11-10-2001, 04:48 PM

It would be imposible to get rid of all the free content, even if everyone on this board changes there site.

You're not going to get rid of the free content, it has always been here. What you are going to do is take a percentage of the surfers that are getting free content right now and send them somewhere more webmaster friendly, be it cj or whatever. There are a lot of great traffic traders on this board, and they control a nice chunk of the traffic.

easy18s

11-10-2001, 04:56 PM

manga

11-10-2001, 05:02 PM

The point i was trying to make is that if you try and send surfers somewhere more webmaster friendly, which meens less free content and signups required, than they will go somewhere else. Once a surfer has had free content they are not going to pay or at least a large majority of them will not, they will just leave your site and find some other site that has free content.

Perhaps, but I think you give the surfers too much credit. The idea is to make it harder for them to find free content. Some of them will find it, others won't. There are still a lot of porn surfers out there that haven't heard of thehun.