Hey Fart

[lynch1000s]

Hey what's up fart. I just had a few questions for you-

I know you said that you had quite a few sites that you submitted to yahoo, would you be willing to tell me what some of those sites would be??

Also, what suggestions would you have for me?

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Terrance

[Fart]

Hi Lynch,

I NEVER will tell which sites they are. The problem with that is that Yahoo actually does NOT like single entities to have several sites in the directory. In their bizex guidelines they say "You can have as many...as long as different content ..yada yada" but actually they don´t like it. And they are very despotic and delete sites in a second. And they don´t care a shit about you complaining etc.. Last time when I told someone a top positioned site of mine (to convince him that I could help him bringing HIS site into a good position in exchange for 50 % of the income of that site) this site of mine was deleted from Yahoo the next day. And the guy to whom I was talking to didn´t respond anymore. I just can´t afford to lose another site there because it does so much for me.

My general advice for Yahoo would be:

1) I saw people writing in this board "is it worth the 600". If you don´t know anything and don´t have a very close look at how Yahoo works then it is NOT worth the money. But: A good site in there can do up to 600 a day over a long period (as long as they delete it or make major changes to the directory structure, both rarely happens). I´m saying that out of experience. When you know how to submit it, it will definitely do 600 within the first 2 weeks. But you still have a 50 % chance that it get´s declined right at the beginning. And you can´t do anything about it. (Well there are ways, even if the reconsideration mail doesn´t work you could still write an email to the boss of the editors, I got her email, but my english is too bad to convince hehe)

2) But spending the 600 without knowing anything is just too bad. Because indeed you can get a site into Yahoo and make only 1 sale every 6 month. That is when it is buried somewhere where no one finds it.

3) For an adult site the directory stucture is not important since adult sites are buried under "Business"->"Shopping and Services"->"Sex" and only very few people start seaching for sex through clicking through the categories starting with "business". For adult sites the traffic is coming from search results. So you have to do some search results and see which sites come up. You'll notice that for the same search queries always the same categories come up first. This is hard coded (But unfortuantely they sometimes play around with it, but only every few weeks or months). That means if you ever want to be #1 for that term you MUST submit you site into that category which appears on top every time for that term.

4) The "Web page" results provided from google are a totally different matter. With Bizex you submit to the "Web site" results which always appear BEFORE the Web page results. Web page results only appear first when there are no matches within the "Web sites" (= sites listed in the Yahoo directory). Web pages = Yahoo directory, Web sites = Yahoo search engine provided from google.

So if someone is in the process of submitting a site to bizex, and has no clue how to do it properly, I could help you. Means I can't guarantee that it will get in (if it get's declined you have to write the reconsideration mail), but I can guarantuee that IF it get´s in (50% chance - yes it's that worse - they decline a LOT) then it get's reasonable traffic and sales and it won't be buried. I will take 50 % of the first 6 months income of that site for that. What I am offering is perfectly legal and is plain marketing advisory. I will fill in the submission form. That is the most importnat part, you really need to know what to write there in some fields. The reason why I don't tell my sites in there is that I already got some delisted. I am following a internal Yahoo rule which they didn´t publish and that seems to be considered as aggressive from yahoo. You could guess the rule it´s not too hard but I won´t tell you because it´s the best promotion secret that I know. I also just plain guessed it after 2 or 3 submissions (and listings) which where buried with almost no traffic at all.

O.k. I´ve been asked and answered, if it´s spam delete it. Probably it´s better for me anyway. Last time I worked with someone on a Yahoo submission it turned out very bitter for me, loosing a $10,000 per month site from one day to the next and couldn´t recover yet. If anyone is interested: I won´t work with someone having less than 30 or so posts here in this forum today, because I´m paranoid (with good reason).

[Fart]

Perfectly wrong in one senctence, right is

Web Sites = Directory, Web Pages = Google

[lax411]

The problem I had was when you search for 'whatever', and you see what categories come up, and then you get your site listed in that category under that term, it does not always come up in the search when listed. Ideas?

[Fart]

If category "whatever" comes up first, then it will be listed with x (1-10) sites from itself, then one or few sites from the #2 category will follow. When category whatever has spot 1-3 that means you need to get into that category AND be listed within the top 3, THEN you will be on top of the search results.

[Jer]

Fart, THANK YOU. The best post I've seen this year. BIG THANKS, and good luck. Hope you get another site listed there and make lots of $.

[shane94]

I submitted my site to Yahoo with a program of mine and I get about 500 aday from Yahoo. It is in the webmatches

This is not the same spot you are talking about??

Shane

[Fart]

Yahoo displays first sites from it's directory (with only a few thousand adult sites in there), and after that (or at the first place if there are no matches within the directory) sites from the huge web database, nowadays provided from google. For killer terms such as one word queries or 2 word queries such as "sex pics" there are always matches within the directory. That means a vast amount of traffic goes to the sites that are actually listed in the directory AND appear in search results. What I was talking before was submitting a site to the directory through "Business Express Submission" and paying $ 600 for it. That was a gold mine when it was $ 200 and when they took almost each and any site, and now it's at least still worth a try if you do it carefully and if you could afford to spend the money up to 3 times untill you definitely got a good one in. The reason why I'm not doing it all day long is that although they say it's perfectly within the rules they in fact get nasty when you do it more than 1-2 times as the same entity (with the same name on cc card).

[Fart]

Thanks Jer, don´t make me shy http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[lynch1000s]

Hey fart, anyways, what do you think you could do with a penis enlargement site. Do you think you could help me get a top spot with that??? Anyways, if you can, 50 % of 6 months seems like a bit much,

e-mail me at lynch100010@aol.com

to work out a deal if you want to:

Thanks
~Terrance http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[lynch1000s]

Hey fart, anyways, what do you think you could do with a penis enlargement site. Do you think you could help me get a top spot with that??? Anyways, if you can, 50 % of 6 months seems like a bit much,

e-mail me at lynch100010@aol.com sorry, didn't work last time

to work out a deal if you want to:

Thanks
~Terrance http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Fart]

I'm more into Directory Style sites anyway. But I could give you general tips which are good for 90 % of getting in and doing well:

1) Search in goto suggestions for all penis search terms and look which ones are most searched for
2) Search for these terms in Yahoo and find the category that would get most penis related searches alltogether. It must be a category that comes up at the top. For some searches instead of really sex related cats other cats such as "Humor" or "society" come up first. (Don't know if this is the case for your niche)
3) After you got the category you'll need to take a very close look at the first sites in there. Not the first sites when you click through into that category but those sites that always come up first in searches. That could be different sites for different searches. Additionally you might consider which terms would convert best, e.g. "natural penis enlargement" might convert better than "free penis enlargement" and so on.
4) The ranking of sites within the categories is a mixture out of Frequency of the Words in Title and Description (always the Yahoo description, the html metas of the site itself are absolutely not relevant), Frequency in the URL, and Alphabetic comes into play as well. Also the length of description and title play a role.
I didn't look recently so I don't know the current mixture. The words in the title of the category description (Business - > Shopping and Services - > Sex ...) play a role as well. Nothing on the site itself plays a role for ranking (but much for chances of getting through the review).
5) You should get the domain and name the site AFTER you did run all the tests and after you know how the name should be. So if your initial domain doesn't fit anymore you should get another one.
6) At the site itself: Making it without any ads just to improve chances to get listed is bad because then they assume that you'll add ads afterwards and they like that even less than many ads. Your best bet would be to have almost all the ads that you like to have and probably add a FEW (only) after a couple of weeks (not right after it got listed). When it got listed don't touch it at all at least untill the "new" sign has dissapeared and untill it comes up in regular searches (Which it doesn't the first week ro so).
7) The 2 most common reject reason are "not sufficient content" and "content already available in Yahoo". That means you need to get quite a couple of articles, pics, information etc. about the theme "penis enlargement", the more the better. And you need to put it onto your site. Do not just link to other sources, that ain't count. If you link to other sites search for the domain of these sites in Yahoo "domain.com" and if it comes up under "web site" results than it is already listed in the directory. It would be better if you do not onyl link to sites that are already in Yahoo. When the sites come up only under "web page results" than they are NOT listed in Yahoo. (Just in the google daabase).
8) Finally I would define the colour of the visited links in the html source code so that the editor doesn't see a bunch of sites he already visited just through the colour of the links on your site.

Also, you could try to submit it without fee, for free. Some say that submitting to canada's Yahoo is much easier. You'll get into main Yahoo after a short while as well (If Y.Canada takes it). But if you submit to Cananda you must provide a canadian address as well. And chances are that you don't get listed or that it takes 6 months or so.

Other tips: They run a bot the first few weeks which checks if your site is always up. If it's down for a few hours it get's delisted automatically. After writing an email it get's "usually" in again but I never would risk that. At least you would be out of Yahoo for 1-2 weeks because it doesn't get in again so fast for technical reasons. And you would loose the days with the "new" sign on your listing.

If someone has a directory / tgp / link list style site which is not alreadey listed in Yahoo and where the links are veryfied for 404 etc., and if you're going to submit that one to Yahoo anyway, I'd be interested in working something out together, the 50 % is meant to be 50 % after you got your 600 back, and only for the first 6 months. Also, only the income from Yahoo, not others of course. And as already said I'm not saying that I could bring it in, but I will pretty sure do it much better than you unless you know exactly what you're doing (which only a few dozen people do, when I look through the current Yahoo listings).

What I listed above is just a part of it, but valuable as well if you did't know yet.
My part if we work together would be filing in the submission form and also a few lines on the site itself. I am giving a new one here for security reasons: members@terra.es is my current address. I'd be interested only in webmasters that are posting here for a longer time, not ones that just jumped in from elsewhere and probably try to play games with me.

[Fart]

sorry it's meant to be membres@terra.es

[Rod]

Hey Fart, msg me over ICQ #36049195
I am interested in your deal...

[Fart]

Rod, you've got mail..