Adult Webmaster School?? Check this out!

[TwinTone]

Came across this today.. thought it was pretty interesting.

http://www.adultwebmasterschool.com/

[xApster]

http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/07/03/webmaster/index.html

same guy.. fuck this is going to suck another injection of money hungry newbies.

[Doctor Dre]

mmmmm what about an img scr from mr. dr dre ??? probably 10-15k $ bandwith bill lol

[Bullet]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">posted by adultwebmasterschool:
Our average graduate earns anywhere from $500 to $2500 per week.</font>


does the guy who runs this site even own any adult sites??? and does anyone know him?

[Dawgy]

i know morgan, and i know he makes bank.

[pyro]

I have to admit. He has some marketing skill, Im actually surprised more internet "gurus" have not attacked the adult market...newbies will eat this shit up.

[Energy Hosting]

I agree with pyro, that site is very good at selling.

[TwinTone]

I agree... its like a "pay" site.. but selling education.. what more could you want? I bet he makes bank in a big way. I thought about this 3 years ago when I saw a special on some cable channel about the "adult web scene" and the amount of money to be made in the years to come. But im not much of a public speaker! http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/tongue.gif

This is the man to watch..

[AWSPhil]

Hi,

Twintone, thanks for the vote of confidence. Just wanted to introduce myself and say "hello" to everyone.

For clarification, AWS isn't a scam. We teache newbies the basics of TGP gallery building and submitting in a simple and easy-to-understand manner. Unless you yourself are a "money hungry newbie," I don't believe anyone one this board should feel threatened. Quite the opposite -- we are creating more people to buy hosting, more people to promote your sponsors, more people to buy content from you. This helps all of us, not hinders.

As for who we are -- I've been an Adult Webmaster for a little under a year. I was taught by a good friend named Morgan (aka Logan). Logan has been in this business since 1995. AWS consists of 3 other Adult Webmasters (Jim, Eric, and Michael) with a combined experience of over 10 years. We all run sites on the side to compliment the revenue generated by the school. We're not terribly well known, nor are we terribly successful; we each net around $500 - $1500 per day building galleries. It pays the bills.

Anyway, please feel free to send me an e-mail if you have any other concerns/comments/suggestions. We would also be happy to add your sites to our resources section, so send us your links!

Rgds,
Philip
dean@adultwebmasterschool.com

[playa]

pretty smart,,,
If i had nickel for every newbie that asked me how to make money, http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[bigdog]

hey awsiphil why you don't start a webmaster program 50% of the signup

[Ride]

Net around $500-$1500.00 a day building galleries. Sorry but I don't believe it. I know quite a few people that generate $500.00 a day from gallery posting but then they subtract hosting and content costs.

Ride
http://www.sillydrunk.com/traffic.html

[Backov]

$500-$1500/day posting galleries? Bullshit. That's just like your average graduate earning $500-$2500/week.. Back it up with numbers.

I am betting that your "graduates" could have learned a fuck of a lot more about this business just by sitting down for a couple days and reading theadultwebmaster.com's article archives. If you are successful, you are going to flood our scene with newbie gallery makers, with hugely unrealistic expectations. They'll come on boards like this one and whine about how they can't make any money with their galleries, and how the bandwidth bills are eating them alive, and then finally they'll go broke and leave.

Finally, don't pretend you're doing this for anything but profit. "I just want to spread the wealth." - Bullshit. You want that $140/person. There's no altruistic motive there.

Wrong board, but Go Fuck Yourself anyway.

Cheers,
Backov

[Bullet]

sorry, but if you promise hundreds to thousands of dollars for gallery posting, then all you're going to do is get a lot of complaints from everyone who starts losing that much in bandwidth charges.

[cyber_ninja]

I run a TGP and just about everyone that posts to my TGP uses a free host,so how are they going to get eaten alive by bandwith bills?I would never tell some newbie to pay the money to learn though!I think that you could learn all you need to know by reading this and other webmaster boards.

cyber_ninja

[quotealex]

I read somewhere that Wolfshade was making ±$200 per gallery submitted. Now, considering there are 4 of them that submit, I don't think earning $500 a day is unfeasable. If each of them submit one or two galleries per day and asuming they each make $200 per gallery, the total amount would be $800 to $1,600 per day for the team.


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ride:
Net around $500-$1500.00 a day building galleries. Sorry but I don't believe it. I know quite a few people that generate $500.00 a day from gallery posting but then they subtract hosting and content costs.

Ride
http://www.sillydrunk.com/traffic.html</font>

[Ride]

What you probably read was $200 per gallery not $200 per day. So say he post his gallery to tgps that allows 1 gallery every 2 days. So that gallery is listed for two days, makes $200. That is $100 per day. I have had a gallery made $1000+ before. But I listed it on my tgps, submitted it, archived it, and then used on my cj2s. But that wasn't per day, that was over time. $500-$1500 consistent with gallery posting per days is possible but a little far-fetched when he said that all 3 of them were making that.

Ride
http://www.sillydrunk.com/traffic.html

[magnatique]

I hope he meant 500-1500 for all the guys over there....

LOL http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
I'm with Backov on this one.

[bigdog]

the only way you are going to make a 1,500 a day posting to tgps is either you are buying gallery spots are submitting under multiple names

[AWS Morgan]

Thank you for all the support people! As for you that doubt our program, I have taken a screenshot of my PAST 7 DAYS stats. These are my personal signups and I work no more than 1 hour/day. Take in mind that I use a partnership program and only keep about 55% of all that. That's not even one of my good weeks! If you're wondering about hosting costs, I pay around 1,000.00/month which doesn't even dent my income! As for hosting for students we provide free hosting as these are "students" and they are "learning".
So bandwidth is NO issue for them.

I have been reading many praises from people who wished there had been a program like this one when they first started as well as some flames from webmasters who obviously dont try hard enough or just cannot succeed on their own. This is where we step in.

Mr. Backov and Mr. Ride, I forgive you both of your naiveté and wish you the best of luck.

As for the rest of you, thanks again and I look forward to seeing you all in class!

Best of luck,
Morgan M.
http://www.adultwebmasterschool.com

[AWS Morgan]

Thank you for all the support people! As for you that doubt our program, I have taken a screenshot of my PAST 7 DAYS stats.
http://www.adultwebmasterschool.com/stats1/pastweek.gif
These are my personal signups and I work no more than 1 hour/day. Take in mind that I use a partnership program and only keep about 55% of all that. That's not even one of my good weeks! If you're wondering about hosting costs, I pay around 1,000.00/month which doesn't even dent my income! As for hosting for students we provide free hosting as these are "students" and they are "learning".
So bandwidth is NO issue for them.

I have been reading many praises from people who wished there had been a program like this one when they first started as well as some flames from webmasters who obviously dont try hard enough or just cannot succeed on their own. This is where we step in.

Mr. Backov and Mr. Ride, I forgive you both of your naiveté and wish you the best of luck.

As for the rest of you, thanks again and I look forward to seeing you all in class!

Best of luck,
Morgan M.
http://www.adultwebmasterschool.com

[bigdog]

what paysite are the stats from

[pyro]

these guys are good. LOL
this is what happens when "internet marketers" go adult.

[AWS Morgan]

sorry i double posted. oops

[Backov]

I see, we don't believe your line, and we're naive.

Ok, let's take a look at these stats shall we.. I'll point out a few problems I see with them.

757 initial sales/week. The Hun sends 75000/clicks day.. At 1:500 (unfiltered TGP traffic, remember, I think I am being very generous) he's making 150 sales/day. So, our man here is almost as big as The Hun.

Out of over 1000 bills, there are 0 chargebacks. 0% chargeback rate is pretty impressive.

Recurring - According to this little snapshot in time, assuming your stats have remained constant, your recurring percentage is around 40%. Pretty good for TGP traffic. However, assuming these stats are indicative, you've only been doing this about 2 months. Average of 105 sales/day, 30% recurring, that's about right for your stats here. If you'd been doing it longer with those sales numbers, your stats would've been higher. So which is it? Have you been doing this a while or haven't you?

In conclusion, these stats look a little fake to me.

Cheers,
Backov

[Killah]

Everybody that helps to increase the number of TGPs or Galleries in the adult bizz is only looking for fast cash without interest in the future. Free content = Lower Conversions all over the place. Why should somebody pay for a membership if he has access to one of your TGP/Gallery-Newbees' sites ?
If 50% of all TGPs would close their doors tomorrow, everybody on this board would have a golden summer.

Killah
Sellyourexit.com

[Venturas]

I agree with Killah http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[Venturas]

Also I don't really think your stats are real http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/tongue.gif

[Dawgy]

i agree with killah too. but show me a webmaster who's willing to just stop doing what he's doing so that everyone else can make money and ill show you an idiot. you will to close down your TGP? i didnt think so. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

morgan's stats are real. ive seen his stats live, not just a screen shot, and he's been helping me for months. hes a good pal.

[AWS Morgan]

sup dawg!
tnx for the support...

and as for the non-believers... how would you like me to prove to you that these stats are 100% accurate?

[magnatique]

aws, let me look at your sites live, then I'll speak and people will trust me, after all, I'm a moderator here and I'm suppose to represent the law http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

I'm highly skeptical myself... if you're real, I want to be taught http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif


oh, btw, you can just go and put a temp pw if you don't trust my integrity http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

just contact me by icq
421704
thanks!


[Note: This message has been edited by magnatique]

[candidpublishinginc]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by AWS Morgan:
sup dawg!
tnx for the support...

and as for the non-believers... how would you like me to prove to you that these stats are 100% accurate?</font>

I'm not saying that I'm a non-believer or anything. But a good way to prove it would be to scan it a check and just blur out the account number on the bottom.

[candidpublishinginc]

AWSPhil,

I frankly think that an adult webmaster school is a neat program. It sure does look attractive....and it feels like a paysite...I think it's great for hooking a potential newbie webmasters.

Shoot me an email at webmaster@candidpublishing.com

We can offer you a great alternative to credit card billing for any of your potential students that do not wish to use a credit card.

[richard]

Mag's idea is exactly what i was thinking, let one of us moderator-come-gods (lol) look at your live stats. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[shap]

Well if the Dawg says the stats are real I believe it. Good stuff Morgan.

We don't know each other but I know we can make money together :-)) Hit me up by email shap@iwca.com or icq 7693964


Shap

[Avatar]

Hell, if he can learn me to make 2k a day on tgp submitting then I'll be the first to signup http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[shap]

Btw everybody else knocking these guys. Step back and take a look. Here are a few guys that stepped out of the box to do something different. Before bitching and saying they are fakes, take a second and visit their site. They are REAL REAL good at marketing. Hell I'm a veteran and I wanted to join their program just to see what that had going on. There should be no doubt that anybody that can put together a sales page like that, can easily put together kick ass galleries. Don't you think?

Also, instead of wasting time knocking them get to know them and maybe work towards doing business together and BOTH making more money!

I swear opportunity could knock some of you right in the face and you wouldn't even know it :-))


BTW Backov the hun sends 75k a day and potentially 150 signups a day per gallery. He is nowhere near the hun's size. The hun charges $200 for spots 6 thru 15 i believe. Do the math that is $2000 a day right there. Factor in all other advertising on his site and 150 signups a day is nowhere near the hun. Of course I may be wrong :-))


Shap

[Backov]

Yes, the hun sends 75000/day, 150 signups, potentially.. That's with 1mil+ uniques. This guy gets 105 average (in his admittedly slow week) per day. That's pretty close. I am not talking revenue, I am talking traffic and conversions.

We'll see, if he turns out legit, all the better. And don't give me this bs about thinking outside the box.. If they really were earning this kind of cash, they wouldn't be wasting their time opening a school. I'm sorry if I don't believe in altruism. They're in this for the quick buck.

Cheers,
Backov

[Backov]

BTW, reading over your post again, it seems you misunderstood me.. The hun sends 75000 clicks/day TO THE HUNS SPONSORS. That's from the yellow pages, not from any of the galleries. The traffic he sends is another thing altogether.. If you think you can get 150 signups off of 75k page views, you are smoking some good shit.

[shap]

Well I've had 65 signups in one day from the hun to a not so great gallery, so the hun is not limited to the 150 signups a day that you say. If the Hun would make his galleries 100% internal I'm guessing he'd be doing 700 to 1000 signups a day.

Btw Backov I know the sponsor this guy is using and his stats are 100% legit.

Why open a school? hahhaha WOW dude that is a dumb question. I'm not even going to bother answering this one. LOL Come on man

Shap

[Backov]

Are you really this stupid? I am quoting the hun, saying that the yellow pages sends 75k clicks/day to his sponsors. at 1:500 that is 150 signups a day. He also sells top spots for some good coin. Nowhere did I say he was limited to 150 signups a day.

At 75k impressions, with a very good 5% CTR, that's 3750 click throughs to the sponsor.. Can you make 150 signups on 3750 clickthroughs? Didn't think so.

Now, you say that his stats are 100% legit. You go from taking Dawgs word that the stats are legit, to being 100% sure?

I never said why open a school, you did. There was no question. I asserted that it was an utter waste of their time to do so. If they are truly working 1 hour/day and making this much cash, then they are wasting their time, and sabotaging themselves teaching this to others, they should merely work more, and make more money. Perhaps you can explain to me why opening a school is a good idea? I long to hear more of your reasoned debate.

Now, either Shap can respond, or someone with some facts. Either one would be fine.

Cheers,
Backov

[harvey]

OK, so who's that mighty sponsor? http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif
I'd really like to know him, I had 68,000 uniques yesterday and made... $0!!!! I really need this 40% convertion sponsor! I'd be happy with a 4% convertion! http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Dawgy]

jesus christ you had 68k uniques and didnt make any money off them? sell em to me.

[shap]

HAHAHAH

Backov you said 100 signups a day puts him close to the hun in size. How can you say that going by the hun's banner stats. That doesn't determine someone's size. Last I checked to determine one's size was how many signups they get or can generate OVERALL in one day. Piss on some fuckin lame banners at the top of his site. I'm quite sure the hun generates over 700 signups a day.

Now Mr Jackov, how does the Hun with his 700+ signup a day power come close to being the same size as Morgan at 100 signups a day? HELLO MCFLY!!!!!


Well I've wasted enough time here. TIME TO MAKE THE MONEY.... (i need to hire that dunkin donuts guy to start my own commercials :-))


Shap

[Backov]

Pulling numbers out of your ass again Shap.. At least wipe em off first. 700 signups a day eh? What facts do you have to back that up? Oh right, none. I remember now, you're full of shit.

Again, I invite someone with half a brain to respond to my points.

Cheers,
Backov

[shap]

Hey Alex, Steve, Dawgy back me up here. How many signups do you think the Hun can generate a day? Mr Jackov is jealous that some people in this business actually make really good money.

I guess a good measure is to take my sites. If my small sites can generate 200+ signups a day I can only imagine the hun can generate much more. Then again, I'm using my stats and ASSUMING the hun can generate much more than I can. So at least this time my post has some backup right?

Shap

[Dawgy]

actually i think the world needs more smelly numbers. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Backov]

Ah yes, Shap, now you're twice as big as good ole Morgan here. Next time will it be 400 signups/day? I believe lots of people in this industry make this kind of money, but I have trouble believing someone with such problems in basic math as yourself has enough money to afford toilet paper. Go back to your Walmart job, you're not even good enough to be called a bullshit artist.. Perhaps a bullshit laborer.

Cheers,
Backov

[richard]

now now children http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[shap]

DAMN, I thought if I made up numbers nobody would know :-(( I'M SO STUPID!

LOL I'm glad you doubt me. This way you'll never be licking my ass to do business with me.


Cya everybody, I have to go pick up a Walmart and Mcdonalds application. Anybody else want one?

Sucks to be me
Shap

[Dawgy]

woohoo. im glad you doubt shap too. now im the only one licking his a...

HEY WAIT A MINUTE!!

oh well more traffic for me http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[pyro]

shap is on the right track,

thats what Im talking about. They did something different. Plus, good marketing. They might have some bank here. Stop knocking them. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif I LOVE YOU AWS!

george

[magnatique]

Shap, Backov... you guys are just seeing differently...

backov, shap's talking about OVERALL signups... that is, all the galleries, all the banners, all the personnal galleries... I'm sure he does arround 200 signups...

hun prolly generates as much..

btw, I am know almost 90% sure that the guy is real.. at least, the stats are... they are not modified ...

but they could have been created by themselves a few days ago when he showed me his stuff a couple minutes ago... but I doubt it... why do so?

[bigdog]

shap was that a big tit sponosor you used to get 65 signups off a hun listing

[shap]

No, sweetloads.

Shap

[MrBrian]

you guys are really bad at math

does the hun really send your gallery 75k banner clicks?

you guys are mixing page impressions with banner clicks...

unless you mean for 1 in every 500 people to the gallery clicks and makes a sale. that would mean your click to signup ratio is around 1:1 to 1:5 WOW amazing for tgp traffic!! *please note the sarcasm* hehe

[Doctor Dre]

It's not cauz you don't know the person that he's not big ... The guy who get the most signups it not know by ANYBODY ... ANYBODY .

And you won't know who it is lol http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif)

[Doctor Dre]

MrBrian the hun do ... With 1/5 of his traffic, I still send 10-15k a day to my sponsors . and I'm a tarding tgp ... So hell YES he do =p

But about the school, why would he want 150 $ per student when he make 1500 $ a day ??? lol

[Exxxotica]

This school is great for newbies. Then after you are done, you should join my penis enlargment program.

In no time...you will be a rich adultwebmaster making tons of money, and have a 12" cock too!!!

[MrNice]

ROFL http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Royaltee_Gee!]

Just wanna think this guys smart with what hes doing! I think anyone knocking him is purely Jealous....

His signups are a different story, I believe it... But from all TGP traffic? I dunno about that one, he must have some other sources : )

Clear us up on that AWS..

Oh yah, its only my 2nd post here on AWI! I havent bothered posting for past year.. hehe : )

Well better now then never : )

[snow]

I agree it's always jealously.... They have a good solid idea and i wish them the best of luck to all those guys..

WTF of course there here to make money.. You think were here to give away free shit.. WAKE UP man.. This is the real world...

ALL THE BEST GUYS GOOD LUCK

Misery Loves company and sucess breeds jealousy...

SNOW

[Royaltee_Gee!]

Snow i love this quote:

----------------------------

Misery Loves company and sucess breeds jealousy...
----------------------------

Deifently true..

I feel the jealous ones aren't secure in what they have and feel threatened by any new ideas or people who arise!

[Bill Cosby]

i dont beleive this guy for one bit

Those who can..do
Those who cant..teach

it is the truth

[oil]

I agree with you Bill

I Like Morgan Idea but the stats look strange for me. I am in the since a few month and I am far away from beeing a big webmaster but I don´t believe that it is possible with a school to make 500 - 2000 USD per week this just sounds to strange for me

[boneprone]

I really dont get what the fuck is going on here?

We have a great idea of a program, simple as that. Whats with all this back talk?

The people here never cease to amaze me.

What a great idea, and if you dont believe him so fucking what? The bank and his wallet is the only thing that matters, and he should have to answer to any of you losers.

Go fuck yourself.

Boneprone 4-Life

[koon]

it is a good idea
but how much they promise to earn after graduate is not that real

and the stats doesnt mean anything
i mean the screen shot wont prove us it is true or not. it doesnt looks that real. (hope make a short video to prove his stats)

i think the webmaster of that site should really need to prove what he is saying is true cause there are too many ??? about his program

ppl who question about the site
i am sure they are all interests in the program but they need to know exactly what's going on before they can join

plz dont shout and say fuck off when they have questions

"boneprone"

[Smirnoff-Ice]

Oh silly people. Of course those are real stats =)

I know cause I've made that much recently. Well, not quite as much, but almost. It's VERY possible to make 500-2000 per week by submitting to TGPs alone.
Like I said on http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/005824.html , experts like Morgan can make a couple grand a day.
I believe there are some that make WAY more.
Also, I've never seen so many people on one board complain about the quality of TGPs and how you can't make any money by building and submitting to TGPs.

[shane]

Those stats are fake. 750 sales and only 2 credits?

[AWS Morgan]

Shane,
I can assure you that these stats are genuine and unaltered. I have already been through this and proven it with Magnitique off of this board. If there is any other way anyone would like me to prove this to them (without giving out my account login) just ask and I would be happy to assist you. How about this... If there are any of you in the Berkeley area I will show you my stats personally. Hope that helps!

Morgan M.
60946828

[Bill Cosby]

Shane i agree...it should be more like 22 credits.

they usually run pretty consistant at 3%

hey phil you big stud
show us one of these "expert" gallerys
what sponsor is this?

If you are going to teach people..im sure you wouldnt have a problem showing us these things.

[Bill Cosby]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bill Cosby:
Shane i agree...it should be more like 22 credits.

they usually run pretty consistant at 3%

hey morgan you big stud
show us one of these "expert" gallerys
what sponsor is this?

If you are going to teach people..im sure you wouldnt have a problem showing us these things.</font>

[The Badgurl]

geez Backov...why that nasty attack on shap...he's a solid guy...

and dawgy is great too...

Ahh...feels like I'm home again!

Can you feel the love people!

did ya'all miss me!

go on, you can admit it!

you all love me!

[Smirnoff-Ice]

Shane, that "credit" column is fucked up. I use those stats and I don't even know what that column is for.

"If you're going to teach people.."
Well, I'm not a teacher at AWS, so that's not my job. It's not hard to find good galleries. Try looking on the big TGP's. There's a lot of good ones out there.

[bigdog]

i think it has a lot to do with the sponsor you use some sites convert very well with tgp traffic because they are very unique

[magnatique]

Ok, guys...

the stats are not fake in my opinion.. he's just a REALLY good gallery maker...

unfortunately, he cannot show me the stats live, and I understand... but he did took screen caps when I asked him, and I received those within 2 mins.... they had my icq nickname next to them... and he just added me that evening, like 10 mins before that..

he's real http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
now enough kids http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/tongue.gif

[Royaltee_Gee!]

Hey guys,

I just contacted this guy... And he has a real stick up his ass :-)

He thinks hes all that, and doesn't even respond to icq messages.... even to say im busy cant talk!

"Arrogant"

can sum this guy up....

Jeesh, just wanted to ask the guy a questuion and he didnt even respond.. jeesh..


and dude... TGP traffic isn't for life dude, you think you can do that the rest of your life?

Don't think so, enjoy it well u can : - 0

[AWS Morgan]

royaltee,
you asked me to help you and I gladly did just that. I was answering all your questions for you and then I went for lunch to come back to about 5 of your silly icq threats about me not responding to you. I simply replied that I do not have time to play these types of games for I have lots of people to help do what you soooo wish to do.
good luck,
morgan m

[Royaltee_Gee!]

I Dont wanna do what u do buddy, I make a fine living doing what im doing now..

I simply wanted to know what teen sponsor you use?

is that such a hard question to ask

[magnatique]

royaltee, indeed it is...

if you find a good sponsor.... you tell one guy, he tells another, they all know..

bam... the sponsor is no longer good..

#1 rule of this biz http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Royaltee_Gee!]

I know , I know...


But it's worth a try asking..

hehe : ()


PS. Morgan, sorry for flippin earlier today.

I was wired I had no SLEEP! I just got back from the gym and feel great..

so just wana say sorry for bad 1st ipression : ) (

[AWS Morgan]

No harm done. Thank you for apologizing.

[e-van]

AWS, great damn idea http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif and that sales page is a winner if you ask me. the only thing I'm pissed about is that I don't feel like spending 140 bucks to lurk in your boards and catch a bit of learning http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif LoL, cheap bastard. anyway, best of luck guys, if you need anything, I'm available 48690894

[rhizome]

Hey Morgan,

For $140, I hope you at least teach your pupils how to protect their directories.

http://www.webyum.com/pics/

[Bullet]

only problem now is that if you really do make money off this thing, you'll have about 2000 webmasters doing the same thing in about 2 months.

[Bullet]

opening the doors for 1000's of newbies. I know the reason why I originally got into this is because I actually figured out people were making good money with free sites. Once everyone else does as well, then there's going to be a lot of problems.

[Smirnoff-Ice]

Please note that this school is not for veterans in the gallery posting biz. So far it's basic stuff for newbies. So if you've been posting galleries and know how to do it, then you don't need to bother.

As for what BULLET said:
"only problem now is that if you really do make money off this thing, you'll have about 2000 webmasters doing the same thing in about 2 months." &gt;&gt;
Morgan will not tell you EXACTLY how to make 500-2000 a week. Instead, he will only guide you, give you pointers here and there, basically give you a general direction towards what will work and what won't. But make no mistake, I've seen many galleries out there, and his are some of the best.

[Venturas]

I hope you don't teach your "students" to make gallerys like this:

http://www.webyum.com/pics/latina/1/

don't know many TGPs that will list that kind of overloaded with pub gallerys http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[rhizome]

Venturas, he probably will just like he'll probably teach them how to write a cheque for $1500 to get listed on the Hun so they can lose $500/week instead of make $500/week. These guys aren't offering any more than what Ken offered for free and more people lost money trying to implement Ken's advice than made money. This thing is a total rip-off.

[Venturas]

Glad to see i'm not the only one that seems the word SC.... on everytime I look at that "school" http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[toker]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by cyber_ninja:
I run a TGP and just about everyone that posts to my TGP uses a free host,so how are they going to get eaten alive by bandwith bills?
cyber_ninja </font>

Not everyone posts with free hosts and many know if you host yourself you are not competing with aggressive free hosts headers and footers. Secondly you are the imfamous topy2k / sponsor rippoff artist am i correct?

[xApster]

I think the program can do well if there is some real good tips and really good info .. if its just general knowlege people can get it for free on the msg boards http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[toker]

Some interesting notes from his review at
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/07/03/webmaster/index.html

Why did you decide to teach a course about it?

When I started doing it, I bought a brand-new Lincoln Navigator in about two weeks. And so my friends are going, "What's going on? I thought you didn't have a job?" So I told them, and they just begged me to teach them how. So I did. Then I figured I'd build a site with my partner who taught me, my friend, and we sat down and wrote a whole course guide, a manual and video tutorials.

So if there's so much money in this, why aren't you just an adult webmaster? Why are you teaching other people how to do it?

It sounds kind of lame, but I'm into spreading the wealth a bit.

I have a good skill, and I know how to do it, and I see all these people like myself who are sitting there, just kind of like bummed. There are all these bars in North Beach and you see a lot of the techie guys, and they kind of just sit there and drink.

Plus, for our next venture we actually want to become one of those pay sites. And so it's an interesting fit because these pay sites are always looking for new webmasters and so we're going to have sort of a feeder program. The school will be a feeder program.

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I think these paragraphs say alot about this program and the true reason behind it. They have their own offbeat protifts to be made from the people who pay them to learn.

[Backov]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by toker:

I think these paragraphs say alot about this program and the true reason behind it. They have their own offbeat protifts to be made from the people who pay them to learn.
</font>

Come on now, you bought that line about how he wanted to spread the wealth? You realize that the whole article was free advertising for him and he realized it - everything he said was spun as much as he could. That reason is utter bs.

Cheers,
Backov

[magnatique]

I'm more into free helping... but if a newbie want's to pay 140$, then good for him, these guys will teach them! I mean, there's schools for everyone..

and we should congratulate them on their marketting plan, they have it all figured out...

lots of people in this biz will tell things to the people that taught them, will give them stuff, or will make them profit from a deal or an opportunity...

while I might owe a few to 2-3 guys, and a couple guys owe me one.... well these guys will have hundreds of people owing 'em and trusting 'em http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Royaltee_Gee!]

Lincoln Navigator after 2 weeks?

Common.... lets get serious here!


The only way u got ureself a lincoln navigator after 2 weeks was leasing it : )
hehe http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Abbadon]

I don't know these guys from Adam, but re: selling stuff you can learn all over...

It's an old truism that people tend to value what they've paid for, and dismiss what they've gotten for free. If some folks are more motivated to actually listen and learn by ponying up $140, then more power to them (and to the program).

AWS folks, so do you see any value in taking the course if you already are making a few bucks profit in TGP? I do alright, but if dropping $140 for anything would make me 10% more, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

My $0.02 US.

[magnatique]

of course, same thing would apply for me..

I did make a gallery tutorial for people... lots of people say it helped them... but again, I value myself still as one at the bottom.... and all I wrote was stuff people told me... if there's still room to learn, it's always good to take it...

I'd love to know what kind of stuff ya teach, see if it's for newbies, or advanced..

as I think there's 3 types of gallery makers..

1- those that don't have a clue
2- those that know how, but just can't quite find what they need to do to convert ALL the time... they will HAVE some good days, but the rest is bad days.
3- the ones that found their HOW-TOs... they will have mostly GOOD days, and only a few bad days...

that's what sets 2-3 apart http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[AWS Morgan]

Abaddon, shoot me an icq...
60946828

[TheAce]

Its nothing new really, Adult Revenue Service has about 10 webmasters who train newbies. The only difference is that ARS provieds the service free.

[bigdog]

how about we all pool some money together to see what is acutally on this website

[Scar]

Hm...

1. Those stats are fakes.
Rebilling and Chargebacks/Refund ratio are way out of real. WAY OUT OF REAL.

Unless someone pulled out and used like 2000 stolen credit cards and shot his stats a day after.
Only then it can be real because frauded chargebacks as opposed to pissed off people come to You later.

Absolutely ANY paysite webmaster and ANY billing company representative will say that I am 100% right.

2. Earning 1500$ a day on TGPs is not real. Unless You are a huge TGP owner.


Now, that school is a great stuff. Cause there students will learn pretty good the first and the most important rule of all online biz - either You use brains or You get fucked , in this case for 140$.
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What really kills me people here is why some of You are so fucking stupid? You spent 3 PAGES discussing some total absolute unbeleivable bullshit and the more You do it the more posts You generate and JUST ON THAT BASIS people do beleive whatever complete bullshit You say.

No really.

AWS is real. No AWS is not real.

Are You fucking stupid or what? Have You SEEN their site? Has anyone of You ever even made those 1500 per day? If so how dont You know then how much You got to work and no time left for even fucking eating...
Why dont You notice that people promise to teach how to make from 6 and up to 10K$ per month ...for what?...for 140$?

Do You know how this gonna end? I tell You how. Hundreds of GREEDY idiots will join the biz , not if it's not like it already and eventually if this school will make it's buck 10 more of them will appear. Then whenever You thought it was difficult to work now, You'd be thinking it was paradise later. Same when TGPs appeared.


The basic problem with You people is:

1/Those of You who do know - NEVER involve. Where's Hun? Where's any large sponsors known over here representative who'd say in a split of second that it's all bullshit?

There are no. Cause Hun cant say that noone is able to make 1500$ per day - it'll hurt the biz. Same as any sponsor.

2/There are a lot of You respected for some unbeleivable reason - You fucking talk too much.

Well I'll see You talking when first GRADUATES arrive...
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[Scar]

yep.
and dont think it's a bullshit threat to biz.

1/ Cause actually same happened when TGPs arrived. Noone thought it would hurt anything. Despite whatever people who understood said.

2/ We had similar morons over here in Russia with their head sitting over in US. Had to threat them all the way to shut them down and that included real threats and hacking and shutting down their forum for several days.

[AWS Morgan]

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[RaiDeN]

1 simple answer. who else agrees?

magnatique as a moderator and expert goes and follows the school. he knows the difference between fake and real tips
and he tells us about it.


then if they do good the'll probably have another 2000 new members, if not they wont have any anymore.

someone agrees?

[Scar]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by AWS Morgan:
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif</font>

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
I agree with Your smile. These three pages show it all. Go on and ripp 'em off. Obviously they deserve it.

P.S.(in a whisper) Though just between You and me I think You went too far with that Navigator...on the other hand? Who the fuck cares? Tell 'em You bought Bill Gates house in less than a week and they will buy it. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
So go on...
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[Scar]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by RaiDeN:
1 simple answer. who else agrees?

magnatique as a moderator and expert goes and follows the school. he knows the difference between fake and real tips
and he tells us about it.


then if they do good the'll probably have another 2000 new members, if not they wont have any anymore.

someone agrees?</font>

I dont. It's a fucking insult to the board.

Raiden, I heard they found diamonds in my WC. Need Your immediate personal assistance to prove that I am lying.

And yes. To enter my toilet You will have to pay "Exploration price". That is!
135.99$ (so You wont think I bullshit You and take this price right out of my mind).

[quotealex]

Why is everybody so cooked up about this program. Don't we all try to trick surfers into signing up with a sponsor by promissing them the moon if they sign-up. How is his program so different?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by bigdog:
how about we all pool some money together to see what is acutally on this website</font>

[Scar]

It's not.

That's the point.
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[magnatique]

raiden... I never said I tried their school, or that I think it's useful for webmasters..

the only thing I said was that the guy's stats were real, and I know that for a fact...


scar, you really talk out of your ass... people have made 1500$ a day, people still make 1500+$/day... but those people won't teach it... morgan is probably just teaching what everyone of us knows... thing that can happen is that the ones of us that do good stuff, that can be noticed amongst the croud WILL stay, those that do normal shit will sink...

Honestly, I don't care if morgan gets 100203923 students, as they're not my level... Of Course I said that I still need to be taught... but i know for a fact that morgan's school is not for me, it's for newbies... if I need help, I have a few mentors I can go to... and those would not charge me anything... of course, those do not let in to everyone http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif


there's never a way someone will sell you the universe's secret cheap.... the only way you get in on secrets is to be part of those who know the secret.

[Doctor Dre]

lol his stats are real http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Wake up ... He teach newbees ... And make them making signups on his account lol ! Thats probably how he is doing .... But for sure this guy is good at marketing

[Scar]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by magnatique:
raiden... I never said I tried their school, or that I think it's useful for webmasters..

the only thing I said was that the guy's stats were real, and I know that for a fact...


scar, you really talk out of your ass... people have made 1500$ a day, people still make 1500+$/day... but those people won't teach it... morgan is probably just teaching what everyone of us knows... thing that can happen is that the ones of us that do good stuff, that can be noticed amongst the croud WILL stay, those that do normal shit will sink...

Honestly, I don't care if morgan gets 100203923 students, as they're not my level... Of Course I said that I still need to be taught... but i know for a fact that morgan's school is not for me, it's for newbies... if I need help, I have a few mentors I can go to... and those would not charge me anything... of course, those do not let in to everyone http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif


there's never a way someone will sell you the universe's secret cheap.... the only way you get in on secrets is to be part of those who know the secret.</font>

Thanks a lot for telling me.
I kinda KNOW that people do 1500$ per day. You may bet on it.
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Now , do they make 1500$ a day on TGPs?
Except big TGP owners?

Please speak out of Your personal experience.

[Scar]

And Yes!
Forgot to mention.

I heard VISA complained a bit some time ago about high percentages of chargebacks. Heard that was a hard case which resulted in a masive fuckup.

Also heard somewhere that 1.5%-2.5%-3% of that strange thing called "chargebacks" is this industry standart.

Never heard of 14 000$ and 2 credits which built about 0.5% of credits and 0.0% of chargebacks.

Have You?
Has anyone?

P.S. A common problem with people is that they listen WHO says and not WHAT is said.

[Backov]

As you can see from my earlier posts in this thread, I agree with you Scar, the stats look fake. The CB ratio was a major slip. Plus the recurring stats anomaly.

But people are quite willing it seems (even adult webmasters who should know better) to get fleeced by rip off artists like this one.

Cheers,
Backov

[magnatique]

I'm not saying what he gives is good stuff, the school I mean, but he is real as far as stats goes..

and YES, Scar, from perosonal experience I have seen, and spoken to people that did make 500$ - 1,500$/day off of Submitting to tgps... and not just one..

and as far as chargebacks go, if the owner takes good care personally to deal with the buyers, then he can have his chargeback very low to under 0.1%... and again, I talk about what I know... The Karups people have an outstanding chargeback ratio, because they take care of the custumer service themselves...

and if you sell what is actually in a site, it might help for chargebacks...

I'm telling you the stats are real.

[nic]

i just saw this guy on tv

[SABAI]

whether its a rip off or not, this is gonna hurt the whole adult industry...flooding the already oversaturated tgp market with thousands of newbies making galleries like hell isn't gonna help...not counting the ones who will try to cheat the sonsor,tgps,etc...and who won't have a clue because they would never have been on a webmaster's board...then most tgps will make pay for their listings, good sponsors will be oversaturated etc etc.....

i have nothing against the dude who makes the school but...i think its strange that he opens a school when himself is still a newbie....hes been in he biz since not even 2 years and pretends to teach people tricks...hmmmm

just my thoughts

[rhizome]

Hey Mag, these guys that make over $1000/day posting to TGPs, how much do they spend on bandwidth and paid listings? You know just as well as I do that their monthly budget ranges from $3,000 to $7,500 a month. And you're telling me this school is for newbies? Now what if I came to you promising great returns and in order to achieve these great returns you must put $140 up front for a package that outlines how to spend a few thousand more? You'd yell SCAM!

[Alex From San Diego]

I spent the $140.00 just to see what is was all about.....The school is a starting point for newbies and I emphasize the word newbies. The layout is very professional looking....If you think about it, what is 140.00 bucks??.....5 signups....not a bad price for someone that wants to be catered to learn the basics. I believe it is a good marketing plan on their part. I would say the school is good for someone with zero knowledge of the Adult biz and wanted to supplement their income with a few hundred bucks every month from it and with little or no expense other than the initial $140.00...I'm sure some will run with it and become successful in time....

[AWS Morgan]

So far our students are very happy with our program! I have to admit, these people are learning faster than I thought they would!

Sabai - ive been in this business for 6 years, not 2.

Rhizome - I pay 1,300.00 monthly for bandwidth. Transferring approx 100 gigs+-/day.

*******************************************
Yes, my partner was just featured on TechTV representing the future of the online adult industry.
___________________________________________

As for the "credits" go... I just contacted the main guy at PSW and heres how it went:

morgan 07/09/20 12:59 PM just curious, what does the "credits" mean in the stats??

Hiro 07/09/20 1:13 PM That means you (or we) have issued a credit on an account due to fraud or other reasons.

morgan 07/09/20 1:14 PM and what is a credit... money gained or money lost? (for me)

Hiro 07/09/20 1:14 PM money lost (for both of us., we eat a fee we are charged per credit)

[nic]

I think the chick from Danis hard drive knew more than your partner and the other dude combined man.

[camguy]

AWS, where do you host? I only burn about 50 gigs/day and pay more than you.

[Bullet]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by camguy:
AWS, where do you host? I only burn about 50 gigs/day and pay more than you.</font>

Try isprime or techiemedia.net

Anyways, since aws teaches things like html tutorials, etc. It does seem like a fair price.

[Cyber-Fantasy]

AWS shot down on Salon.com

http://www.salon.com/tech/inbox/index.html

[Scar]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by magnatique:
I'm not saying what he gives is good stuff, the school I mean, but he is real as far as stats goes..

and YES, Scar, from perosonal experience I have seen, and spoken to people that did make 500$ - 1,500$/day off of Submitting to tgps... and not just one..

and as far as chargebacks go, if the owner takes good care personally to deal with the buyers, then he can have his chargeback very low to under 0.1%... and again, I talk about what I know... The Karups people have an outstanding chargeback ratio, because they take care of the custumer service themselves...

and if you sell what is actually in a site, it might help for chargebacks...

I'm telling you the stats are real.</font>

Well. The only thing I can advise You - is beleive less what You hear.

Read a bit more.
This IS a fuckup.

1. PSW billing does not have partneship program. People do it themselves (i.e. order scripts).
This is a paysite owner stats for 99%.

2. The guy pulls 14K a week and does NOT know what a CREDIT is. After working 6 years in adult? I'll use Your own favourite on this board english phrase here: GIVE ME A FUCKING BRAKE.

3. What You just said about Chargebacks excuse me is BULLSHIT. I am sorry to put it in this way but really You have just almost insulted every paysite owner on earth. Otherwise then that dont get me wrong. I respect You and Your point of view. I respect this board.
I even respect the number of posts You have and that fact showing that PROBABLY You did Your part for the industry helping people out (that's what boards are first place for , right?)

But what I see is that You're floating on the subject. There's no crime in it. One cant know everything. Neither me. Neither You. Ask me about CJs for example or SE traffic and I'll be in total bullshit.
Cause I almost dont know the subject.

But unless it comes to paysites...There I do know the subject and do know it pretty well.

Go and run Your own paysite. Buy licensed content and the best of it. Hire the best designers. Make Your own customer service department and hire a couple real hackers along with a fucking army of system administrators and You dont get 0.1% at refunds and 0.0% of chargebacks - it is IMPOSSIBLE.

4. Or...It is possible in three cases to be exact.
a) This is a brand new paysite and it's stats of first week and that paysite gets LOADS of traffic straight away. Then yes it is possible.
b) The PSW billing was just switched to already existing paysite and therefore the account in PSW is new.

However stats which are there show that it is almost impossible to because there's at least ONE rebill from the previous month. As long as that exists - the account is therefore at least 1 month old. Therefor chargeback/credit history CANT show 0.0% & 0.1%


c)The only slight possibility I see for them to be real is that Yes the account is old and the site never generated even 1k sales a month and had a smallest membership base seen BUT suddenly got a huge BOOST from AWS in traffic.

I'd suggest those guys stick to the point c) cause it's the only possibility.

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unless....

It's all bullshit anyway because the guy said they were HIS OWN stats of sales and never mentioned ON HIS OWN paysites.

Besides I can tell You that it's virtually impossible to run a paysite which will have sales of 56K $ per month with three webmasters who are also engaged in some school activity.

Because as long as You hit 56K$ of sales per month You should have seen HOW many problems arise.
And that INCLUDES customer service pain in ass.

In other words I dont say that it's all WAY too impossible. Just the amount of pieces in the maze that dont fit good is so huge here that it cant be real.

You see, I dont say that 1500 per day is impossible. Especially on Your own paysite.

I cant even be 100% sure that it's impossible to get 1500$ on TGP submitting per day. Although I am sure that if such cases exist they are not only far from every day reality but also ARE EXTREMELY RARE.

Fuck, go to porncity and ask people over there how many of them pull 1500$ per day on submitting. 1 would be a luck and most probably a lier.

However NORMAl is not a synonim to POSSIBLE.
There are always things which are possible to achieve but impossible to be normal.

In this case it is very good for that AWS stuff all this bs about "Is 1500 a day possible?" cause if I were them I'd use it the same day. Like:"Dear Students! They say it's impossible. Well they are wrong and we are going to prove it. It is all just an envy."

My point unlike MANY of You here is very very different. I DONT say 1500$ per day is impossible. Because I know it is possible.
I even know that MUCH more per day is possible.

I dont say 1500$ per day by TGP submitting is impossible. Why? It is possible. It is even possible to go to the moon if You wish it THAT much. However it is almost unachievable just because of the amount of work needed to be done or You got to invest a lot and still WORK FAR TOO HARD.

What I say is that FOR AWS such stats are impossible. What I say that those stats ARE FAKES.

Look at things that dont fit here:
a)Chargeback ratio - 0.0%
b)Paysite owner stats.
c)Guy never heard of refunds after 6 years!
d)All the income supposed to come from TGP only.
e)PSW billing. Show me similar stats on Ibill, CCbill or Epoch please.
Show me such stats on any LEADING billing solution. Why was it PSW in the first place? There are THOUSANDS of partnership programms out there. MOST of them are on those 3 billing companies I mentioned. YOUR students gonna work with them. So make such stats on Ibill and we dont need moderator believer any longer.

Magna once again. I dont mistrust Your words.
I mistrust people whom You beleive for some reason because obviously You were simply bullshitted and You gonna loose a lot if You continue it that way because one doesnt need to be a genius to understand that when this school will FUCK UP and it will, cause all such things ALWAYS end the same way, You will be the first man in community people gonna ask. Cause they trust You.

[Scar]

P.S. Mom and Dad this Chasey...
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What pisses me off most when someone tries to ripp me off anywhere or to rip off someone else is that when You're taken for a complete idiot.

It's ok when You're bullshitted some other way. Like sponsor shaving for example. It is so hard to check weather the signup programm (not partnership) on it's own internet merchant account shaves or not that You really dont care. Cause it hurts to spend hours to check it out.

But You do get pissed off when You see a crappy paysite which wont sell with a conversion even 1 to 5000 and it's webmasters page says it has got 1 on 100.

And You do get pissed off when a person sends You obvious cheated hits and You see his cheating code in his webpage but he still shouts in this forum or in his ICQ that he's the most honest person in the world, do You?

Guys who forged those stats even didnt care for Chargebacks which are this industry's one of main great fuckups of which even a webmaster with 1 month experience has already heard of.

Guys who forged that shit didnt even care to see other PSW sponsors and the site of PSW itself to find that PSW still doesnt have it's own stats for webmasters.

Those people took this board and all of You for complete idiots. The funny thing is that the longer we disscuss it here - the more they are right.
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[Smirnoff-Ice]

Scar

1. PSW Billing is not like CCBILL. You cannot just signup for a 50/50 webmaster program. The PSW Billing is a private program and only gallery makers trusted by the owner of the paysite is given a PSW account. Those stats are NOT the owners stats, they are Morgan's stats. I, also, have my own PSW stats.

2. I have used sponsored many paysites, and I did not know what a CREDIT was exactly b/c other stats programs don't use the word "credit". Also, those stats show how many dollars in signups were made, however, since it's only a 50% or 60% cut, Morgan only makes 8.4k of the 14k (60%)

3. Let me dig up my own PSW stats for the last little while.
Initial Recurring Sales 416 - $1,227.20
Recurring Sales 181 - $7,230.95
Credits 2 ($79.90)
Chargebacks 0 ($0.00)
Total 599 $8,378.25

Those are my stats.
Scar would you like to calculate the PERCENTAGE on that?

Not many people have made over 1000 in one posting on one gallery. I'm not saying it's easy. As for whether 1500 is possible, yes, it is. I have pulled that much. Also, YOU DO NOT NEED TO MAKE 100 GALLERIES A DAY AND SUBMIT THEM TO 1000'S OF TGPS. I make 1 a day, and submit them to the top tgps only. One of my galleries takes about 1 hour to make.

[RobExteens]

Ive been reading this board and reading people slamming morgan about his stats...well i can say they are real because i own the paysite that he promotes...the site converts www.exploitedteens.com/tour2/ (http://www.exploitedteens.com/tour2/) its not hard to sell memberships with that. And for all you people that say that people dont make 1000 a day..why not try to find out how they are doing it instead of calling them a liar...you'll get alot farther in this biz-

[shap]

God damn Scar you post long replies. Don't waste so much time on this heheheh :-))


Hey Rob WHASSUP! Long time I haven't heard from you. Still waiting for my PwsBilling Account. Let me know when you can get it for me :-))

Shap

[SABAI]

Morgan,
QUOTE
When the company I was with folded last August, that's sort of when everything started going downhill in this whole industry. So I bummed around for a couple of months not knowing what the heck I wanted to do.

QUOTE


yeah you've been 6 years in the marketting biz but just since august in the porn biz...that is what i meant....

[sairanx]

exploited teens is useing ccbill.. not psw

[Scar]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Smirnoff-Ice:
Scar

1. PSW Billing is not like CCBILL. You cannot just signup for a 50/50 webmaster program. The PSW Billing is a private program and only gallery makers trusted by the owner of the paysite is given a PSW account. Those stats are NOT the owners stats, they are Morgan's stats. I, also, have my own PSW stats.

2. I have used sponsored many paysites, and I did not know what a CREDIT was exactly b/c other stats programs don't use the word "credit". Also, those stats show how many dollars in signups were made, however, since it's only a 50% or 60% cut, Morgan only makes 8.4k of the 14k (60%)

3. Let me dig up my own PSW stats for the last little while.
Initial Recurring Sales 416 - $1,227.20
Recurring Sales 181 - $7,230.95
Credits 2 ($79.90)
Chargebacks 0 ($0.00)
Total 599 $8,378.25

Those are my stats.
Scar would you like to calculate the PERCENTAGE on that?

Not many people have made over 1000 in one posting on one gallery. I'm not saying it's easy. As for whether 1500 is possible, yes, it is. I have pulled that much. Also, YOU DO NOT NEED TO MAKE 100 GALLERIES A DAY AND SUBMIT THEM TO 1000'S OF TGPS. I make 1 a day, and submit them to the top tgps only. One of my galleries takes about 1 hour to make.

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Hmmm...

Sorry forgot to mention my stats.

Yesterday: 2 000 000 annual sales. Chargebacks 2$. Refunds: 4$.

[Scar]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Smirnoff-Ice:
Scar

1. PSW Billing is not like CCBILL. You cannot just signup for a 50/50 webmaster program. The PSW Billing is a private program and only gallery makers trusted by the owner of the paysite is given a PSW account. Those stats are NOT the owners stats, they are Morgan's stats. I, also, have my own PSW stats.

2. I have used sponsored many paysites, and I did not know what a CREDIT was exactly b/c other stats programs don't use the word "credit". Also, those stats show how many dollars in signups were made, however, since it's only a 50% or 60% cut, Morgan only makes 8.4k of the 14k (60%)

3. Let me dig up my own PSW stats for the last little while.
Initial Recurring Sales 416 - $1,227.20
Recurring Sales 181 - $7,230.95
Credits 2 ($79.90)
Chargebacks 0 ($0.00)
Total 599 $8,378.25

Those are my stats.
Scar would you like to calculate the PERCENTAGE on that?

Not many people have made over 1000 in one posting on one gallery. I'm not saying it's easy. As for whether 1500 is possible, yes, it is. I have pulled that much. Also, YOU DO NOT NEED TO MAKE 100 GALLERIES A DAY AND SUBMIT THEM TO 1000'S OF TGPS. I make 1 a day, and submit them to the top tgps only. One of my galleries takes about 1 hour to make.

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Hmmm...

Sorry forgot to mention my stats.

Yesterday: 2 000 000$ annual sales. Chargebacks 2$. Refunds: 4$.

[Scar]

Sorry for double post.

TO SHAP and SARAINX:
This is fucking hopeless.
Since people come here already with one post and 0.0% of chargebacks and guys run around with their sites on CCBILL telling those were theirs (strange that the GiF stats mentioned PSW somehow which in its turn doesnt even have a webmaster programm)....
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Besides I am tired of doing it without support. Then I dont know why I do it and for whom. Be fucked then if You wanna be fucked.

[Alex From San Diego]

Scar,
Jealousy will get you nowhere my friend.
1000.00/day is chicken feed in my books...Rob is the real deal and he owns Exploited Teens. I have known the guy for over a year and a matter of fact we finally got to meet in person last weekend. He brings a good point by saying, try to figure it out how as opposed to calling people a liar.

We all have a different perspective on what is successful and what is not. Not to many people know me here on this board but the ones who do, know that I do over 10k/day and I don't even own a paysite yet. Now some will say I am successful but to others, 10k is not successful.

AWS is a place for newbies, real newbies and for a measly $140.00, they receive the basics such as beginning html, how to create a folder, choosing pics, and the basic ingredients needed to create what we call a cookie cutter gallery. So for the price of 5 signups, this a reasonable price to ask. You can take a cookie cutter gallery, put it on a freehost and submit to 20 tgps and I guarantee you will get 5 signups. Can you get the information for free?....sure you can but the difference there, is everyone is at the same level and it gives them a place to feel comfortable posting questions plus the answers are right there at their fingertips. Now if you think about it, AWS is a good marketing strategy. What do you think will happen when they come out with their own program in the future and they have 1000 webmasters that went thru their tutorials? He is building credibility with the webmasters that participated in the school and now he has an instant 1000 webmasters pushing his program. Very smart in my opinion. That is a person thinking outside the box as opposed to following the rest of the jugheads in this business who decide to just throw up a paysite without a plan.

In this business, there are followers and leaders. The difference between the two is the leaders are the innovators and the followers are the indivduals who support the leaders. Either one you choose to be can be successful.

[Scar]

Jealousy will get noone anywhere.

Actually You made a very funny point.
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I am not jealous at all. You really mistake me for someone else.

What I am interested in, is can You back up Your words of 10K per day?
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
Especially with no paysite and if You are not Hun, Persian Kitty owner (oh, I dont know all the names You know) or anyone same size in adult.

Warning MY FRIEND (as You called me) You are stepping on a very very dangerous ground here.
Because If You wont prove it and do it some very good RIGHT way half of the board will call You and that AWS stuff FUCKING LIERS before the day is over.

[Scar]

People?
P E O P L E?


Is there anyone SANE here?
Just a bit?

Fucking anyone????

Okey I can eat that You do take 0.0% chargebacks and dont object almost and a guy making 1500$ a day on TGPs...

It's a fucking nonsense but ...oh shit I dont understand even that...

BUT

Please tell me it's ADULT WEBMASTER INFO and an experienced board and You not gonna eat 10K per day from a non famous paysite owner?

[Alex From San Diego]

Hey Scar you want to put your money and knowledge where your mouth is?...Should I say do you have any money to put up?....I do....There are doubters everywhere....I went thru this before on another board sometime back where a few individuals thought I was bullshitting that I could generate 100+ signups on the Hun alone...the first day listed there too....that is not a combined three day total....I proved it and the next thing I knew, the person that called me out looked like a horses patute and was emailing me wanting to know how can that be possible and trying to kiss my ass. Then on the other hand, I had some people emailing me with a genuine interest and without being intrusive asking me to give them a hand. I helped them and steered them in the right direction and some of those people have become good friends of mine and have helped me out in areas that I lacked the knowledge. See one hand washes the other....I think there are enough people on this board that do know me well enough like Shap, Magnatique, Steve and the list goes on that I technically don't have to prove shit to you.....I would rather you just stew and wonder.....

"It is better to create alliances rather than foes" Have a nice day : ))

[RockDaddy]

When I first started I knew absolutely nothing about html, tgp's linksites, building search engine pages, etc.. etc.. etc.. I learned through the various BBS's with a little piece of information here and a another little piece of information there. In the amount of time it took me to learn everything it would have been worth every penny to have someone lay it all out for me.

[Doctor Dre]

To the guy from exploited cash : Youre running on cc bill aren't you ??? lol

Not only will you make a lot of money, but you can feel safe and secure using us, because all of our transactions are processed through ccbill, a third party credit card processor, and you'll get a weekly check, as long as you generate 25.00 in sales each week

[Abbadon]

Alex, good to see you over here! 'Sup?

&lt;getting popcorn and settling in to watch the show&gt;

:-)))

P.S. Scar, I saw the last go-round of this on the other board Alex mentioned... Don't wager more than you can afford to lose... Nothing personal, just Alex and Ken both are the real deal, and have presented proof before.

- Chuck

[magnatique]

rhizome, people making over 1000$/day DON't generate only 5000-7000 a day... those people know how to maximize their shit... and unlikely, they'll be on a virtual account..


and Scar, LOL... Alex is probably one of the only one in here that do not need any backing up http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

I've been knowing the guy's work for over two years now... doesn't Jason & Alex, or Alex & Jason rings a bell? or the Trio of Blacks On Blondes... Alex, Jason, Ken?!?

hehe..

he's been like my fuckin hero for some time http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif and I finally got to have a chat with him 2 days ago on the phone... nicest guy!

if Alex doesn't make that much money in a month dude, I'm giving you my house http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[richard]

Chuck ya big ass licker http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Abbadon]

Richard, lol...

If I can't be a big jerk yet, I guess I gotta be a big something :-)

[Scar]

Okey.
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I am not going against the whole board including it's moderators. Just a respect thing though because as long as I post here I respect moderation, as long as I leave though - sorry I dont give a fuck.


10k per day without a paysite? Sure no problem.
0.0% Chargebacks? Of course.

What You are doing now is trying to prove me wrong with AUTHORITIES if You know what I mean.

You know like "Hell, this is Alex! Dont You know Alex? He speaks true and he is COOL..."

And that is itself a bullshit already because the only reason You do that is that You dont have a single argument against what I and some other folks said here.

You dont really.

All that AWS story with it's stats has so many things that dont fit that almost everyone notices them and the funniest thing You dont have a single argument against ANY of those things You can prove.

While all You do is taking different people here in discussion whith one total post to say "Hey! It's correct cause I am known!" or "It's correct cause I say it's correct".

In psychology it is called AUTHORITIES and also is very helpfull in such a case for You because it draws attention from the risky questions like the one about chargebacks or the one about why is it CCBILL all over there when it's PSW in stats and PSW does not have partnerships programms with such stats.

There's just one small minor problem which may be originates from the fact that some of You like Alex or AWS or that Exploited Teens guy think that I am a fucking newbie raged with envy. Which is totally wrong really and I stress it for the second and the last time.

So I am sorry but I totally dont give a fuck about all this bullshit because life basicly taught me a very very right thing - never listen to WHO says, always listen to WHAT is said.

But as I said, I really would like to end this discussion. It is hopeless as I see.

[magnatique]

man, I don't care whether the people think morgan is true or not...

all I'm sayinh is what I know..

I knew morgan was with exploited teens... I knew he was on one of Rob's sub account at psw (rob is the owner of E.T)... Rob, the owner of that site, came here to let you know the stats are real..

also, I was on the phone with alex, and we talked about the stats.. he said they were real... he said he was in fact having supper that night with the owner of E.T., because he was in San Diego that week...


Now, yes, I did not see the stats real time... yes, I did not speak with rob yet..

but being defensive has its limit, don't ya think?


you talk shit man... you say I say it's so because I have authorities... bullshit..

you say it's not possible 10k/day, I present alex.

you say it's not possible no chargeback or little chargeback, I tell you about my buddies at karups..

you say it's not possible for him to be on psw if it's not his own site, Rob comes here to tell you it's on one of his sub accounts at psw tyhat he's testing...

I don't care if you are jaleous or not, but fuck man... it's true you have to be cautious in this biz... but at some point, you have to stop rebutting all that the people say man... sometimes it is real.


like any debates, the one presenting its own arguments has a hard time accepting the facts when presented to him..

that's the last time I bring you those facts... cuz quite frankly, I've been tired of that thread since it reached 30 posts... but I just don't like when someone starts insinuating that I use of that so called "authority" in order to prove something that is wrong. As if you knew me well enough, you'd know that I never once used those attributes I have on this board to help myself, or to hide the facts.

I rest my case http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[Scar]

Which exactly is the trouble.
You personally dont have such stats.

You have buddies.

And I dont speak really to Your buddies.
I speak to You right now.

So . Do YOU make 10K$ per day ?
Can YOU personally make 10K$ per day?
Anyhow. Paysites. TGPs. CJs. Whatever, even Your day job if You have one or had one?

Do YOU make 1500$ per day on TGPs?
Can YOU make 1500$ per day on TGPs?

Do YOU make 0.0% chargebacks?
CAN YOU MAKE 0.0% chargebacks?

Is there anyone here with overall posts over 10 excluding those who made them in this very discussion who answers YES to those questions.

[Scar]

And as for me being over defensive please excuse me really.

You brought here a paysite owner who got 14k a week on a TGP traffic from a single webmaster, a free site runner or to be exact NOPAYSITE owner http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif who got sales around 300 000$ per month and a shot of stats of those 14k with 0.0% chargebacks by that webmaster who also accidently bought a new Lincoln Navigator in two weeks in adult.

Taking in consideration that those were not Hun,Mark, MaxCash - all of it and ARS , but were people one way or another connected to the adult webmaster school teaching TGP submission which takes 140$ per student please excuse me for being OVER defensive.
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[magnatique]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Scar:
Which exactly is the trouble.
You personally dont have such stats.

You have buddies.

And I dont speak really to Your buddies.
I speak to You right now.

So . Do YOU make 10K$ per day ?
Can YOU personally make 10K$ per day?
Anyhow. Paysites. TGPs. CJs. Whatever, even Your day job if You have one or had one?

Do YOU make 1500$ per day on TGPs?
Can YOU make 1500$ per day on TGPs?

Do YOU make 0.0% chargebacks?
CAN YOU MAKE 0.0% chargebacks?

Is there anyone here with overall posts over 10 excluding those who made them in this very discussion who answers YES to those questions.</font>


do I make 10K a day? No... can I? with effort, it's possible.

do I make 1000$/day off tgps? no
Can I make 1000$/day doing TGPs? Yes. and I know for a fact since I already had some 1000$ days.... do I make that now? no, I've been on the low side lately... do I plan on getting back there? who knows! but I plan to give it a good try.

do you make 0 chargeback? with karups, yes. no chargebacks... cancels? only a few... never any chargebacks...


you're a funny guy... you talk about me just having buddies... well what do you want LOL... I talk from my own personnal experience with people... do you have such experience with them? no you don't... of course it can't be as good a reason for you to trust me, as it is for me to trust 'em... did I ever say that I knew for 100%? no I did not... but from what I know, the facts I have and all, yes, they are not bullshit.

and for me bringing people here, I didn't bring anybody dude... they just cared to give a reply.

Morgan from AWS , I just met when he wrote here.. I chatted with him a bit, and I believe what he told me was true, as a gut feeling... now, afterwards, I had comfirmation about my doubts from all sorts of people I DO trust.... that's why I think so..

and as far as me bringing a guy that does 300 000$/month, I never said he made that much sales a month... maybe he does, who knows... all I know for a fact is that he's one of the top 3 guys doing what he does in this biz... if you don't know him, doubt him all you can, I'll know he does, I'll work with him instead of doubting.

you say that "taking those are not mark or hun, maxcash and others"... well, maybe alex is not hun, but he probably has a better bizness going on than him... I know a few paysite owners that are not known by anybody, but still do good in this biz... nothing compared to the multimillion maxcash, CE, and Company... but still plenty enough for most of us to dream of....

this biz is not always about if you are known or not...

And believe me, it's not always about trying to prove someone wrong, but rather by taking the chance to believe him and seeing what's true about it yourself. Will I win anything about prooving my sources are true? of course I won't... then why do I keep saying it's true? simply because I believe it is, from all I know..

anyways dude, you keep thinking that nobody can do that good, and that a sponsor that posted only once here can't have people doing that well....

Of course, 13,000$ on a single sponsor is IMPOSSIBLE http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif are you gonna ask me personally again

"have you ever gotten 13,000$ from a single sponsor" or "can you get 13,000$ from a single sponsor"?

[magnatique]

oh, and again, don't get me wrong... I don't really have a side on the webmaster school issue...

I think it's a pretty damn good business idea they had... it'll get them a good ammount of webmaster selling their shit and trusting them...

but I don't know if it's such a good idea as it might really bring a bunch of new people arround...

ALSO, I do not think it's for anyone in here to try... unless you can't make a page worth 10 mins of work http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[richard]

Alex and Ken are legends

[Alex From San Diego]

"Warning MY FRIEND (as You called me) You are stepping on a very very dangerous ground here.
Because If You wont prove it and do it some very good RIGHT way half of the board will call You and that AWS stuff FUCKING LIERS before the day is over."

See Scar, I will always back my mouth up because I don't believe in spewing garbage. The difference between me and you is, I am doer and you are a dreamer.

Didn't your parents ever read to you the book "The Little Train That Could?" Mine did and now I am a full grown locomotive that can't be stopped. Here are some stats just for you.

http://image2000inc.net/stats/stats.html

One thing you were right about, is that I did lie. I earn much more than 10k/day and just think I don't even own a paysite. Wait until I do open my next big project. You might just want to keep your eyes peeled for it because like I said earlier, it is better to create alliances rather than foes. Have a nice evening and for pete sake, have a little faith in some people.

[shane]

seems the only one who knows what they are talking about is scar http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[magnatique]

you guys can go saying that alex's stats are fake... on my part, I'll just wet my pants LOL http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Backov]

Pretty impressive stats Alex. What would you say your traffic mix is? AVS/Free site/TGP/What have you? Obviously you pull fairly decent cash off of SK..

Cheers,
Backov

[Alex From San Diego]

Shane maybe you and Scar should form a corporation together. You seem like two peas in a pod....I can't believe the effort people will go to just to try to prove someone wrong or call them a liar....doesn't make sense to me....Until that person proves themselves to be a liar, I will take them at their word. You never know when you can hit the jackpot.

[shap]

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :-)

[magnatique]

my guess is shane was beeing sarcastic... at least I hope so http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[richard]

Alex's stats make me depressed, and fill me with motivation, at the same time.

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Backov]

Rich - I can empathize with that! ;&gt; I am gonna print em out and frame em, and then superimpose a little kitten hanging off a table and put "hang in there" - sort of a stats/motivational crossover poster. ;&gt;

Cheers,
Backov

[magnatique]

backov... you should mail that frame to the people buying blitz as an addon http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[FreeNetPass Dave]

Read through the first 10 posts and my eyes started getting tired so I stopped. Anyway, I just wanted to say that we have webmasters on FreeNetPass that make over $500/day with traffic from tgp's.

Not sure where the conversation went, but I just wanted to let you know it is definitely possible to do.

[Dan S]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by richard:
Alex's stats make me depressed, and fill me with motivation, at the same time.

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif </font>

Uuuuuuuhm, pretty much in the same boat Rich..

Backov, good idea to start with http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
Should get a boost into my summer motivation!

Dan

[T69]

OK, so I DON'T make $10k per day...

Just thought I'd get that out in the open!

But I do make more money than the President, drive a Ferrari, travel the world, am having a big house built, and am semi-retired thanks to this business... I know it's possible - and the $10k a day goal is one of my own future goals...

But it's funny that for the past 4 months I have been building a site (www.AWMRK.com) that is very similar to the site that started this conversation (only my site deals with TGPing, AVSing, free sites, pay sites, CJing, and hub/funneling!!! phew!) Trouble is, I am too busy making money for ME that I don't have time to build the site to help others!

For instance, I run a TGP, I post to TGP's, I have approx 250+ AVS sites, am building my first pay site, have untold free sites (oh, the joy of automation! Thank God for Perl http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif ...! )

That aside, I joined the adultwebmasteschool to do a little competitive analysis... And so far I am fairly impressed...

If anyone is interested, come back in a month or two - I'll let you know what happens...

Cheers!

[Scar]

Well.
As I said I'll leave it all up to You.
Although You do make mistakes again. Where main is the more I write You the more nonsense comes out really.
When You are finished You are living PAGES behind You which by the way will stay. Same as my shamefull words though.
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
Each book needs it's "CONTENTS:"

Before we go on, Alex, please save Your very expensive time real way and dont You build any more stats for me.
Ok?
And sorry I aint gonna come to You in Your ICQ or EMAIL asking for tips even if You put a million up there.
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Kinda dont have time. Besides I always thought that unless a good amount of money can work for You , i.e. You are a sponsor for example and money itself is a good promotion among newbies, NORMAL people dont run around forums flashing their HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS stats...This is kinda unusual with the amount of people who'd like their share of YOUR money this world has now and always had since the beginning of humanity.

Starting with newbies who fuck up Your ICQ and Email and with people who do really have other ways to make You share - a TAX collection, IRS people and even fucking Cosa Nostra in some less civilized places. And it doesnt really matter for all those hundreds of thosands owners how powerfull,legal or illegal they are themselves because in the end it just saves time when You make it a bit more confidential then to flash stats around forums.

Besides I always thought that any normal person who makes several hundreds of thousands per month does not really need to prove it to a first met stranger and obviously doesnt give a fuck about someone beleiving it or not.

You went as far as even creating a page with my nickname on it. Funny.

With You making 10K per day and a usuall day having its 24 hours (please dont argue and dont bring people from NASA to prove me wrong) Your 15 minutes You spent on that page cost roughly 100$ if You work all 24 hours and 200$ if You just do it in 12 hours and if You work 8 hours like most people do Your 15 minutes cost around 300$.

Send me over Your bank account - I'll compensate You those 300$ because I really feel VERY uncomfortable about someone spending such money on me with no real reason.

New thing for me, Your stats...
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I'll summarize once again all said:
1. There's a person here , now with a shot of his stats too, who claims that he makes now OVER 10K per day which is FAR OVER 300 000$ per month. And that's on free resources of his.
Moderation also gave a hint that Hun probably doesnt stand a chance in comparison.

2. There's a person here who bought a Lincoln Navigator after TWO FUCKING WEEKS in adult biz. Funny that I heard no comments on that.

3. The same guy who got a Navigator also by some chance makes on TGP traffic only over 56 000$ per month (14K per week). Which is probably, hold Your breath newbies, PENNIES cause look at the first guy! This 14KaWEEK guy has almost nothing to eat really in comparison! Wonder how does he survive with such a low income? http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

4.The same 14KaWEEK guy also got a shot of his stats which have 0.0% chargebacks and 0.1% refunds wich is simply out of biz standarts LONG WAY. Especially when it's 14K in question and not 14$.

5.Same day another guy comes who says it was HIS paysite sold by that guy for 14K per week.
There's a slight trouble though. His site does not have PSW BILLING partnership and PSW Partnerships do not have a possibility to show such stats , at least normally. Why the fuck didnt You show Your CCBILL stats?

Which is though quite easily explained by it's webmaster, I mean it takes a whole fucking day to explain, that the 14KaWEEKonNAVIGATOR guy was testing a new subbaccount on a new billing solution, poor CCBILL guys by the way...All the time on AWI is lost as You see cause 14KaWEEK guys dont do it on CCBILL for some reason. Why did he have a full access to the paysite account or a subaccount remains a secret.

6. And all of it was brought in connection with a AWS - Adult Webmaster School which basicly is itself ANYWAY a fuckup because there are hundreds of free resourses out there including this very forum wich dont take 140$ per student to teach TGP gallery submissions (as though TGPs were not enough already)...

Dear friends. Noone can blame me for not beleiving You. Those 6 points up there are prove it pretty good. But You.
Sometimes You go too far.

I'd suggest everyone notices the way You took and the time You took and the things You said and people You took for those 140$ from a newbie.

With all said I really would like to finish it up already untill John Lennon comes here in person to prove me wrong.
Really.
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[Scar]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by T69:
OK, so I DON'T make $10k per day...

Just thought I'd get that out in the open!

But I do make more money than the President, drive a Ferrari, travel the world, am having a big house built, and am semi-retired thanks to this business... I know it's possible - and the $10k a day goal is one of my own future goals...

But it's funny that for the past 4 months I have been building a site (www.AWMRK.com) that is very similar to the site that started this conversation (only my site deals with TGPing, AVSing, free sites, pay sites, CJing, and hub/funneling!!! phew!) Trouble is, I am too busy making money for ME that I don't have time to build the site to help others!

For instance, I run a TGP, I post to TGP's, I have approx 250+ AVS sites, am building my first pay site, have untold free sites (oh, the joy of automation! Thank God for Perl http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif ...! )

That aside, I joined the adultwebmasteschool to do a little competitive analysis... And so far I am fairly impressed...

If anyone is interested, come back in a month or two - I'll let you know what happens...

Cheers!</font>

Half of another point really.
Honestly I got no idea about where this 14kWEEK people and 10KaDay guys take time either.
Even this thread took a fucking lot of MY precious time.

And the only reason I did it - I fear there's a danger in people coming in biz who learn about it not from free resources but from a school wich takes money for it.

A guy goes on a free host, studies Ynot and starts working. Now if it doesnt work out good for him he simple leaves.

A guy who spent 140$ and it doesnt work out good for him would most probably try to compensate it.

[Alex From San Diego]

Scar,
Yes I made that page for you and don't worry about the $300.00 I just had a couple of beers and checked my stats and what do you know, I made another $300.00.

I'm not worried about the IRS or any tax collector. I pay my taxes like clockwork. As for the Cosa Nostra, I'm fine their too since I'm Italian and Greek. Shoot we can all drink ouzo together. Opa!!

You should really get back to work now and just keep saying to yourself "I think I can, I think I can, choo, choo."

Have a good evening : ))

[Muff]

Hey Alex how about some webmaster lessons.

Name the rate http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Muff]

http://www.exploitedteens.com/tour4/morgan1.htm

im pretty sure when you buy spots at the hun everyday you are going to rake in some nice sign-ups with A SPONSOR LIKE EXPLOITED TEENS.

Any you guys wanna give morgan his first chargeback here is your chance

https://secure.pswbilling.com/cgi-bin/form.cgi?AccountID=200096&ProductCode=exploiT29R5&SubAccountID=1&bgcolor=FDF7C8&text=000000&link=ff3333&thtext=ffffff &th=000000&td=ffffff&tb=000000

Nice Job Morgan http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[superDAVE]

I fail to understand why the hell this topic has gone on for so long. Who gives a shit if he or anyone makes $10 or $10K a day.

Scar, get over it already!

[Bullet]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by superDAVE:
I fail to understand why the hell this topic has gone on for so long. Who gives a shit if he or anyone makes $10 or $10K a day.

Scar, get over it already! </font>

It's a unique topics that does bring up a lot of interest http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[magnatique]

LOL scar, you win it... I think I'll ask steve to put a section for guys with their heads up their arse... you surely proved you win it!

[Scar]

Do that Magna. And thanks not for bringing John Lennon online. I really appreciate it.
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Me and the rest of folks who dont think that people buy Lincolns in two weeks working in adult , who know that 0.0% chargebacks is unachievable, who have SLIGHT suspicions about making 1500$ a day on TGPs and 10K per day with no paysite and a popular sponsorship program and who thought those 14K stats and the way they were given are also slightly suspicious will all end up there.

And please dont tell me I am gonna be alone.

And as for rest of folks...

Well You got a contrary page called Adultwebmasterschool.com and a great opprotunity to spend 140$ to learn TGP submissions. Although I still beleive that this school will give You one of the best lessons ever for starters - whenever anyone in the internet comes with huge numbers in public forums, almost nothing behind them and a talk worth of preschool ("hey! I CALLED HIM! HE IS LIVE!") usually it's Your 140$ which counts...

...and I think it's right. Through all the ages there were only two sins of people which always worked and gonna work best forever in an eternal combination:

Greed + Stupidity... http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Magna. I cant even be sarcastic over Your words and tell You that You or those guys won. Cause when that school was opened , those stats drawn and that Lincold mentioned - they already won.

Do Your math. Beleive in what You want to beleive. Just dont forget to compare it with Your own stats and experience - it helps.
And whatever You think about me, I dont really care and have nothing in my heart against You, I still think You were simply mislead.

Drop Your attitude to me personally and go read all these pages once again, look it all over again and consult with someone else than those guys You beleive and ask their point of view. Beleive me - You ARE wrong here and really there's no crime in it.
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[magnatique]

dude, you keep bringing back that lincoln thing... I never talked about AWS phil... for all I care, he's from montreal, has good selling skills... but you know, it's an article, and he maybe put a bit too much in saying he bought a car in two weeks... and there's lots of ways to buy a car... personally, I'll wait to have the money for it all... but he might just have seen he had enough to make a good down payment, and pay it in 6 months... who knows! I don't care about that...

for the rest, sure it might look suspicious to you... fine, stay there LOL..

all I know is from personnal experience it is possible to make 14k with one sponsor, in a month...

and from my personnal networking with a couple people I trust, I know that Alex is real, and that Rob is real, and that Morgan is real... I have not seen their check, nor their money account... but I've talked with some, chatted with others, and saw things some other people haven't seen. That's why I make this judgment...

and sure, go ahead and call me a fool to believe it... I'll accept that faith... because believeing is the first step into making it happen http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif and I'll tell you this, I'm a hard believer lol...

[magnatique]

damn, it's early... I meant TIM

[Bake]

I find it kind of funny that people dont belive because they cant do it.Looking at these stats and talking to Morgan has spured me on to try harder we get use at accepting less.Im going to Inrole in a marketing cousre at night and catch up to theses guys.I thankyou for showing me what is possible.
Bake

[Scar]

(originally spent another 30 minutes and posted like 2 pages again then got tired and deleted them all. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif)

Magna.
Lincoln finally is an advertising exxaguration?
For me and I hope anybody with experience other 6 or 7 anomalities here are TWICE as more impossible as that damn Lincoln in two weeks.
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I am tired of this bullshit.

[Scar]

I suggest , for the first time here and not sure by the way if I have rights for it, to close the thread.

All arguments possible and all possible replies (save John Lennon http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif ) were brought already and to my mind I am pretty sure everyone got an idea what's it all about and made his or her point of view on the subject.

[Scar]

Sorry.
Forgot to mention so there will be no misleads.
I never said 14K per single sponsor PER MONTH especially was not possible.

Please read me over again.

[Alex From San Diego]

Scar you have serious issues. You ask me to prove it and I did. You said if I didn't and if I didn't do it fast, I would be considered a liar by everyone here. Well see, you made yourself look like a fool and you continue to show your foolishness. By your posts you seem intellectually challenged and have a pride issue but I don't fault you for that. We all have had to swallow our pride atleast once in our life. One day you will wake up and realize that you need to surround yourself with good people to make it not only in this business but in life as well.

By the way I don't drive a Navigator or live in a huge house. I live a modest life and actually I drive a 92 Nissan. I don't need those things just yet.

Good luck to you and all your future endeavors.

[AWS Morgan]

Hahah, scar you could have taken my course and make about $300.00 in the past couple days that you have been here bashing and disbelieving. Now get back to work and forget this thread ever existed. LOL

[AWS Morgan]

Oops... "made", not "make".

Im usually not up this early!