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desipapa

03-09-2002, 11:50 PM

Many of my fellow webmaster and myself loose altleast 40k hits in february and also didnt got healty amount of income from my site. January is perfect for me and my friend who run adult site, but after that we all fucked up. What you people think the major cause of this downfall of adult business. This is very serious matter for us if we people didnt think what to do in future this business will kill us. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

playa

03-10-2002, 12:00 AM

i really do feel some changes going on,,, but i am getting prepared,,,it really seems like the best way to get the most money in this business is not in being just a free site webmaster,,, i think myself and others are feeling like that,,, diversifing is becoming more and more important now

flyingiguana

03-10-2002, 01:48 AM

i think its only gonna get worse as more and more ppl get high speed connects. ppl can get better quality content on irc and kazaa than on paysites. and if they need pics, just roll over to ur local tgp or picpost. <img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" />

candidpublishinginc

03-10-2002, 01:54 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by FlyingIguana: i think its only gonna get worse as more and more ppl get high speed connects. ppl can get better quality content on irc and kazaa than on paysites. and if they need pics, just roll over to ur local tgp or picpost. <img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>I disagree, People getting high speed connections (which is still the minority in the U.S.) is better for the adult business, not worse. Kazza and irc is gonna kill this business? People said the same thing about TGPs and it clearly didn't do this. Anyways income wise I'm doing great, and it's only going to get better. Unlike some of you guys, I don't complain....I take action. Now stop complaining and get to work!

flyingiguana

03-10-2002, 02:06 AM

there will have to be a lot of changes to paysites then. peer to peer can be devastating. why do u think the movie industry is so concerned? they know whats gonna happen once more ppl get high speed connections. i'm pretty disgusted with the quality of most paysites out there. ppl with high speed connections that i know, don't get their porn from paysites. why? because they suck.

mike007

03-10-2002, 02:17 AM

in my opinion, if everybody make their works great, this industry will be better..!

mike007

03-10-2002, 02:21 AM

so, there are lots of new webmasters...Visitors are spending their time with non quality sites. Because of that reason, the professional and experienced webmasters can't get good results from this biz... All we experienced and professional webmasters must show our best quality work to fix that problem. just my opinion <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Kai_89

03-10-2002, 02:22 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Now stop complaining and get to work! <hr /></blockquote>That is the best advice you can hope for. Its very good advice too, that as well as having fresh ideas. Coming up with new ways to engage the appetite of the surfer. Peer to peer was someones idea, you just have to come up with something to beat it out. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

flyingiguana

03-10-2002, 03:01 AM

paysites have to lead the way. thats where all the revenue comes from...

desipapa

03-10-2002, 03:23 AM

After hearing you views that point i got in my mind is that Stop making free start making paysites. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

Happy

03-10-2002, 03:34 AM

For me, sgtarting with November, it's been better and better, with a peak in January - and I don't do TGP or CJ, just SE. So, in fact I'm very pleased it's getting better and better. <img border="0" alt="[Bounce]" title="" src="graemlins/bounce.gif" />

arthurdent

03-10-2002, 04:40 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by desipapa: After hearing you views that point i got in my mind is that Stop making free start making paysites. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote><img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" /> YES! STOP FREE PORN! <img border="0" alt="[Nod]" title="" src="graemlins/nod.gif" /> peace

candidpublishinginc

03-10-2002, 04:47 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by FlyingIguana: peer to peer can be devastating. why do u think the movie industry is so concerned? they know whats gonna happen once more ppl get high speed connections.<hr /></blockquote>The movie industry is run by a bunch of fucking idiots that refuse to change with the times. Did you know that CD sales were at record levels during the boom of Napster? Yes CD sales are a bit down now, but it's not due to piracy....it's due to THE RECESSION! But of course the complaining pricks at the RIAA blame it on file sharing (Even though the most easy one to use, Napster, is virtually dead.). Napster and others is very much like radio. Except that the RIAA doesn't get a cut. The user gets to hear a few sample songs, and if they really like the artist, they'll buy his CDs. Think I'm being too uptopian here? Almost everyone that I've talked to who downloads MP3s (including myself), still buys Albums of songs they really like. This is free promotion for the artists, and the RIAA is too stupid/greedy to realize it. Their biggest fear of course is losing control of the industry and distribution right. They don't give a fuck about the artist they claim they're "protecting".

flyingiguana

03-10-2002, 05:22 AM

everyone i know that has mp3's don't buy cd's. i have seen ppl on both sides of the fence in regards to how mp3's affect cd sales. i don't buy cd's mainly because i find them to be annoying. plus the copy protection i've heard about doesn't impress me much. i doubt i will buy another cd because of it. i don't think its as much they don't want to change with the times as it is not knowing how to deal with piracy. the quality of porn u can get for free is pretty damn good. u can get full movies, or at the very least high quality clips. most paysites are complete junk, and ppl know this. why pay 40 bux a month for a bunch of shitty streams and a few thousand pics?

desipapa

03-10-2002, 06:37 AM

I am agree with you Candid.... I am purchasning cd's so this business going good. But none of tell us what we ave to do for our survival bcz if we didnt take any serious step right now then we must die.

Joshua

03-10-2002, 11:08 AM

I agree with Candid as well. I download a few MP3s I like from a artist, I go and buy the CD. I don't like having a shit load of burned CDs in my car or in my house. Gets a little frustrating after awhile.

Kappy

03-10-2002, 05:43 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by candidpublishinginc: Kazza and irc is gonna kill this business? People said the same thing about TGPs and it clearly didn't do this. <hr /></blockquote>Wow, thats funny what you said. Here are the major changes in online adult biz since '96 or '97, when awm's are able to buy a house after three months in the bizz: - millions of new internet users, hungry for porn each day - a few thousand awm's more. Usually porn business should do better and better over the past years, cause more surfers than awm's are joining the internet for the first time every day. But with the use of TGPs we have achieved the opposite. And don't say the surfers didn't signup for memberships because they're looking for better quality and that the site didn't fit absolutly their needs. Imagine a surfer starring on a paysite, horny as hell, but didn't signup because of some not absolutely beautiful looking girls at the front. If the TGPs aren't out there they are willing to signup for memberships like crazy. <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Joshua: I agree with Candid as well. I download a few MP3s I like from a artist, I go and buy the CD.<hr /></blockquote>hahaha, you both are very unique.

Terrance11

03-10-2002, 06:31 PM

Candid, you're right... but the music industry is very different from the online porn biz. First off napster all but killed the c.d. single, which had dropped in sales at around 80%. Although c.d. sales may have been at all time high, napster wasn't making the music industry any more profitable. Porn, if I'm not mistaken, has generated more and more profit every year that the internet has existed. Free porn attracts surfers to spend more time online looking for porn, but is it making it a more profitable industry for every??? The answer is no, of course it isn't. Maybe the hun and thumbzilla with all their traffic feel secure that they'll live off porn for the rest of their lives, but 95% of all webmasters in this industry can't feel the same way. Free porn is a huge % of the foundation of porn sites, but is it killing the industry... well for some it is. If free porn sites keep on evolving and constantly provide surfers with more sex than paysites, could this kill the industry... it will kill the industry for most that are trying to survive. But surfer will always sign up for paysites for as long as they're being promoted. The industry isn't dying, there's more competition, and those who never built a good foundation for themeselves will die out. This will not be a good industry for most to be in 5 years from now...

Terrance11

03-10-2002, 06:34 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Terrance11: but is it making it a more profitable industry for every??? <hr /></blockquote>I meant for everyone... Anyways, napster would very likely have made the music industry less and less profitable every year that it was still in existence. Piracy always hurts companies, and lets face it, napster was nothing but pirated music.

Terrance11

03-10-2002, 06:37 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Terrance11: [QB]Free porn is a huge % of the foundation of porn sitesQB]<hr /></blockquote>not porn sites, pay sites... maybe I should've proof read my post <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />

Blondy

03-10-2002, 06:39 PM

chin up peeps the spring shwing is just around the corner. cheers "to bank accounts growing as fast as spring flowers"

desipapa

03-11-2002, 01:59 AM

Stop with agreeing with Candid please. Post your TIPS for the survival of this business Please. Original I asked about survival of adult business

toker

03-11-2002, 02:50 AM

Bet your money on a really good horse with good odds its the best way to survive. I dont think anyone has all the answers unless they have some way to see into the future. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

Terrance11

03-11-2002, 07:59 AM

desi, you of anyone should feel secure, don't you own the world's larget indian sex site <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> How much do you make, huh? You can't be that poor... <img border="0" alt="[Bounce]" title="" src="graemlins/bounce.gif" />

nic

03-11-2002, 08:22 AM

desi, just keep doing what your doing and then some, if your putting 5 hours a day in, put 8 or 9, try something new and it may work out for the best.

desipapa

03-11-2002, 11:59 AM

Terrance11 offcourse i own World largest Indian sex site .Dont u see my counter... Well I agree with nic give some more extra time. well the major problem is bcz of fuckin Varadox dialer.

candidpublishinginc

03-11-2002, 05:38 PM

Kappy, TGPs aren't the reason your sales are lower. TGP surfers STILL buy memberships even when they're Hun surfers. Try something new and innovative if you want to survive. Remember folks. Survival of the fittest! I for one am doing great and my revenues are better not worse. Why? Because I'm always doing new things. I'm not trying to sell the same batch of shit over and over again. Also FlyingIguana about the CD sales. Maybe you don't buy CDs anymore, but other people do even when they have filesharing. Sure CD singles went down, but that's because they were overpriced anyway. Overall CD sales WENT UP during the glory days of napster. The music industry can turn filesharing into a cash cow if they weren't as stubborn as some of you anti TGP folks. You guys can think what you want. If you don't agree with me. Fine. We'll see who comes out on top in this maturing market.

shunga

03-12-2002, 12:56 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Terrance11: First off napster all but killed the c.d. single, which had dropped in sales at around 80%. Although c.d. sales may have been at all time high, napster wasn't making the music industry any more profitable.<hr /></blockquote>What is a CD single but a promo for the full CD? Do record companies make much of a profit from CD singles? I suspect not. An online method of previewing singles doesn't seem such bad business in those terms. When the current business model starts to fail, you adapt to change, or you go out of business.

flyingiguana

03-12-2002, 01:29 PM

do you really think i'm basing this on just me? everybody i know doesn't buy cd's or they don't buy anywhere near as much as before. its up to the paysites to be innovative and i don't really see much at all. its the paysites that are selling the same batch of shit. they all seem about the same as 2 or 3 years ago, except more expensive and more quantity. i have some ideas, but i don't view this industry as being that great in the future. biggest problem is the large amount of competition. obviously sex sells, but as soon as you come out with something innovative, almost anyone else can copy it. the large amount of free stuff is a killer as well, but there's still a lot of money to be made. i know my ideas will work, but i don't have the cash to implement.

monksex

03-12-2002, 04:17 PM

What I see is that it is bad everywhere, not only the porn biz. Everybody is complaining here in Holland but maybe that is also because of the Euro, people have got to get used to the new money And here in Holland everybody raised his prices so people don't spend their money that quick now And we Dutch are cheap ofcourse ;-) Monk

DamageX

03-12-2002, 04:29 PM

Crap... Everybody knows that no one will buy the cow if they can get the milk for free. And now they can even get the cow for free. Doesn't matter if paysites are innovative or not, some TGP's out there each have more free porn than a dozen of paysites put together. Leave Joe surfer horny, give him the teaser pics and he'll sign up for just about ANY paysite he THINKS/HOPES will get him off. It's just like people buying Playboy to "read the articles". <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> They whack off at softcore models, what if you gave them the option of whacking off at hardcore porn for an extra buck, think they'd pay when caught with the dick in their hand? I don't understand why people keep bitching about this all the time, "There's too much free porn on the web, BOO HOO, my sales are down!" Stop bitching about it and start doing something about it. Instead of spending several times a day on making galleries with hi-rez pics you paid top buck for, submit to every big TGP out there and hope to MAYBE get posted, because His Majesty, The TGP Owner feels generous today, spend the same amount of time on putting together 4-5 shitty pictures on a page, link together 3 pages like that, make a main page that links to all 3, optimize for keywords and submit to search engines. Tomorrow do the same and link back to the page you made yesterday from the one you make today. Then again, and again, and again. Traffic will not be instant, but then again I've seen TGP's a couple of months to even review your gallery... Traffic won't be big either, but you can bet your ass it will convert. And you won't burn the same amount of bandwidth either. And while at it, go TGP2 as well, most of your worl will already have been done by the time you are ready to submit a gallery. You will make sales and most important, YOU WILL MAKE A PROFIT. To sum it up: Think there's something wrong with this biz? Conversions way down, bandwidth bill way up? Then you either DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, or you SHUT THE FUCK UP, 'cause all the bitching in the world won't do a bit of good without action being taken on the matter.

Dracula

03-12-2002, 04:38 PM

Logically, giving something for free (in large ammounts) is killing most of the chances to sell the same product. So, there are 3 options: 1. don't give for free or just decrease the ammount of freebies. 2. give something for free and sell something else. 3. take this as a hobby and make the surfer really happy while working at the post office <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

DamageX

03-12-2002, 04:57 PM

Right on Dracula! Just wish more people would get that through their thick skulls instead of keeping doing the same thing in hope that the industry will turn around again...

DemonWolfe

03-12-2002, 08:26 PM

I got an idea. Lets see... How do a lot of paysites track their surfers so that you get credit when the surfer signs up for a membership? Cookies? What is the hottest new product that many paysites are offering freesites to promote? Privacy software which can erase all cookies. You do the math.

flyingiguana

03-12-2002, 09:06 PM

thought a lot of paysites are now using other methods as well.

toker

03-12-2002, 09:29 PM

Many dont beause less sales credited to you = less money in their pocket. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />

toker

03-12-2002, 09:32 PM

i ment more money in their pocket

desipapa

03-12-2002, 11:04 PM

Thats the spirit . I am now happy that you people taking serioius action for the survival of adult business, giving you briliant ideas and sharing with us. I hopw we will come to to the right tarck were we were previously. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

DamageX

03-13-2002, 06:32 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by desipapa: Thats the spirit . I am now happy that you people taking serioius action for the survival of adult business, giving you briliant ideas and sharing with us. I hopw we will come to to the right tarck were we were previously. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>LOL, ideas will get you nowhere. If them whining bastards get off their lazy asses and implement the ideas given, then we're talking business.

joshtj4

03-14-2002, 12:24 AM

I think with search engine traffic there well always be new sales. The average new joe that is horny and gets on the internet doesn't know of any paysites, tgp, porn sites etc. He goes to a search engine and types in what he wants. Then bam the horny bastard looks threw the sites looking for free content.. he can't find it.. finally submits and buys from your sponsors. From the guys talking about loosing traffic etc. its that hitbot bs. It all comes down to trust.. take off the autosignup feature (NO NEW TRADES).. trade with guys you trust. If your getting ripped off only 10k a day from hitbots your traffic well crash