Circle Jerk Sites Will DIE!

[Anthony]

http://chameleon.sextracker.com/

I met these guys, I've partied with them. I like them, but damn, if this becomes mainstream, it affects all of us!

Read and tell me if you got the same out of it, in essence, doesn't matter how my site is built, the surfer will see it by their standards, and if my site isn't in the top levels of the top list, I'm fucked.

We support this cause! How?! By having their counters on our page!

Who decided what should be showed from MY PAGE!? Only one to do so is me!

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[Juggler]

Anthony I do not see it as a major problem to CJs OK your pop up may not work but come on your track your hits surfers click on anything they are still going to click on a good looking page in an effort to find free porn no consoles on your site also means no consoles on the next trade they will be back.

If sextracker manage (and I do not see how they can) to stop CJ site being viewed than we just need to make a site with links into the Circle and get them listed in chameleon it could be a great way to get more fresh traffic in.

This lot will be feeling nice and safe with thier new I can not be jerk around browsers ((-:

I see a lot of good possiblities for CJers in this one it has given me a idea for a new page ((-:

Happy trading

[Anthony]

my thinking is this Juggler...

we won't be able to trade at all. we open consoles to do that! =o(

But, that's a small part of it. Why should the way my site be viewed be changed by me or anyone else other than the surfer?

They have the choice to do it themselves by turning off javascript.

If i'm not sending traffic to sextracker, then i'm not gonna be on that top list. Follow me?

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[Juggler]

I agree with Nick I really do not think it will catch on about a month after i started a product came out that would load your page without the banners a few of us nearly had heart attacks the thought of putting a lot of work into a site only to have it seen without your nicely place adverts it does not bare thinking about. Well it seemed to pop up in the stats for about a week and I havenever heard of it again. I see this as just another gimmick to get a few more surfers I personally do not think it will have a big impact on CJ site if it does I do not think it will take long to turn it to our advantage

Happy trading

[Rimmer]

My thought is chameleon won't have much of an effect. The people being trapped in CJ's are normally newbies who don't know any better.

These popup consoles are there as added features to browsers and are only abused by non mainstream sites. Hence consoles most likely will be here to stay.

By the time the newbie free porn surfer happens upon sextrackers chameleon software they'll probably be able to tell a CJ site at first glance anyways.

What would be more of a threat is if MS or Netscape adding some of chameloen's features.

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[Dan S]

I am not sure, but didnt they have a "Pop-Up safe browser" for quite a while now?

As far as I remember it was a modified version of netscape.

Hmm, I am not to worried about this one...



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[donger]

yeah, imho anybody who is going to go out of their way to d/l this thingy probably won't be visiting our sites anyways. I doubt that NS or IE will make it easy remove the window.open feature of JS b/c so many mainstream sites use this feature. think about geocities, tripod, etc. They would all pitch a fit if by default browsers didn't open consoles. I think we're fairly safe as far as this is concerned. now i just gotta figure out why the fuck i'm losing so much traffic this past week, heh

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[Anthony]

Ahhhhh, the wonderful effects discussion and debate bring out! =o)

Much better than our recent rash of problems =o)

Now that I see all of your points, I need not worry, true.

However, that still does not take away from the fact that we as webmasters support this company with our traffic and for them to come out with this program is certifiably biting the hand that feeds you.

Am I wrong in thinking this? I've seen the same thoughts shared across many boards.

Regards,

[moose]

Anthony,
Like you said, i think it is complete bullshit that sextracker would do this,many of you big guys trading 100k+ a day i notice have sextracker counters at the top of your pages,you have any idea the amount of traffic you are sending them? and not even get paid for it? and now they want to bend all webmasters over by disabling tools we use to make money?
and then this quote from thier chamelon page:
"Imagine the web's hottest adult links, sent straight to your browser every day, so
you can always keep up to date on the hottest new Adult sites on the web! Our unique dynamic linking technology actively seeks out only the best web sites that are of interest to you"

HAHAHA where do yu think these links will come from? my guess is paid advertisements to sextracker. So now not only are they taking over your site and disabling it they are now sending them to your competition.

And you want to support this crap by using thier counters?

hmm just something to think about

[Dje]

Anthony, moose,
I know this sounds stupid to use their counter when they are trying to get our surfers from us without any consideration, but you must not forget that their service is free, it helps us getting an opinion on a web site that wants to trade, it is cheater proof (to my knowledge) and it allows us to detect cheaters in our database (we do not all have quality measures...) So even if we send them some traffic, I still beleive we are gettin something good in return. Of course, you can take it off, but whenever another webmaster will look at your site without knowing you and that he won't know if it is a good idea to trade traffic with you, he will see you have no counter and justmove on to another web site he know will bring him traffic... Just my 2 cents http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[playa]

Sounds like to me the ones that would use the sextracker browser would be pro porn surfers who would not even think twice about buying a membership.. with all them free sites who would...But the thing is Think about how many new internet users log onto to the net for the first time everyday...Those are our potential buyers..Like Rimmer saids by the time they get the Chameleon they would now what a CJ site looks...

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[playa]

forgot to add above..
The only way CJ sites would die is if
it came in a software bundle on New PC...
that would most likely kill us..But we better keep this on the hush wouldn't want anyone to get any ideas...

[Frank A]

Well I have to post the way i see what sex tracker is doing.
I think you guys are missing the point
They are trying to get surfers to sign up for there browser by promising then no more pop ups.
The worst it will cause isn't going to be no more pop ups. (that will be bad enough)
However its going to be that every time the surfer open a browser they will get 10 adds of other pay sites before they even start surfing the net.
this would greatly reduce the chance that they find your site because there wont be any links going outside of what sex tracker wants them to see.
and if they do happen to find your site they might have already got a membership from one of sex trackers sponsors which greatly reduces the chance they might buy another.
I see sex tracker as a threat big or small its a threat and i took my counter off yesterday and put wss back up.
I have also read that CE has a counter that pays 8 cents a click and $20 a sign up and has all the stats that sex tracker has
However i cant endorse this as i have not signed up for it but IM going to try it.

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[Frank A]

Here is the url Nick D http://www.cybererotica.com/money/cashcount.html
thats why surge is buying junk traffic

[GulliT99]

Their browser is a bullshit (i've used id for a day) and any surfer who downloaded it will NOT use it for longer than 2 days.. http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

I think there is no big problem..



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[Frank A]

There browser may be bull shit but what i posted is what they have attempted to do and i dont think im going to use them because it shows where there mind is
IN SCREWING US

[playa]

Thanks Frank A. for that counter url...
i just removed my sextracker counter...slapped that CE counter...So far they have all the features like sextracker..
with .08 a unique and $20.00 per sign up i don't have to worry about putting Just a counter text above it...

[Hustler]

my 2 cents the browser is not so hot i get fucking annoyed everytime it ask's me to open a new window it's more annoying then them just poping up. personally i don't think it will last long IE and Netscape are way to big to be even hit with this small browser. look at the many browsers out today no one uses them.... just my 2 cents...

-Hustler
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[Frank A]

your welcom playa

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[arjay2]

Hey everyone..

I agree with Anthony. Even though the new browser may or maynot make it... the principal is wrong. We send shitload of traffic and Sextracker is trying to fuck us over. I added my CyberErotica Cash count. It is VERY good and I think it is VERY easy to use. it access much better. You also get paid $20 a signup. Why stay with sextracker a day longer? As long as most of the CJ sites move to the CE counter, I would take off the ST ones, because, unfortunately, it is still the standard right now.

But I think itis time to set a new standard, and we should, if not switch, add CE counter to all our sites.

[Juggler]

Sorry but I do not see how this is an attack on CJ sites sextracker are just trying to get a few more dollars they have come up with a new idea (personally i think it is a silly one) to make more dollars, maybe I am missing something but I can not see how it will make a difference to my sites and also I do not see how sextracker are trying to do anything except make more dollars which is the aim of us all.

Unless I am missing something I would not think of removing my sextracker for CE getting paid sounds like a good deal but I would rather wait until CE prove they can keep good stats which to me is more important I am sure they will but personally i will keep sextracker until they do

Unless I am missing something I can not see a problem with what sextracker are doing

[Due]

Sextracker is not keeping correct stats. The CE is just as good as sextracker (MUCH better 'cause you make money)
If you want accurate stats you should get a log reader. Get one here: http://cgi.resourceindex.com/Programs_and_Scripts/Perl/Logging_Accesses_and_Statistics/
They are 100% accurate (and show refferers even if you are popep) and sextracker, CE whatever counter you use only count est. 60-80%


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[Anthony]

I finally am able to make it back!

I've been using the CE counter myself. There are couple of different banners you can choose, but look at it this way Nick, you get over 200k a day in traffic, how much do you think is bleeding? Wouldn't you rather get paid for it? =o)

Just my 2 cents...

Now, gotta figure out why my CE counter is not working.

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[arjay2]

Nick, they do have smaller banners. The smallest banner they have is about 2X the size of the smallest ST banner. But still, they way ST banners are designed in an obvious way to take traffic away from u. I would rather get paid for those traffic..if they are productive.

And Juggler, the whole point is not whether the new browser will be successful. But in my humble opion, they are using the massing amount of traffic we send them to promote giving away free porn, and obviously to stop sites like ours. When u think about it, it is very wrong for us to even support it. I am not saying we should all dump ST right now. But rather, we should all give CE counter a try. If most of CJ sites are on CE counters, there is really no point to keep the ST counter. I think CE counter is very good.

ST ranking doesn't send jack shit traffic back to me anyways.

[John]

It seems as though GreenGuy of Link-o-rama.com is giving the browser a big plug on his site. Think of the millions of visitors a week he gets and how many will go and download it. Maybe not such a flash in the pan

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