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jim7out
07-23-2001, 12:44 PM
I found this on an adult webmaster resource site, is this cheating?
If it's not cheating, do you think it will work?

Toplist Funnel
It is very difficult to send enough hits to get on the top of a top list. There is, however, a method by which a webmaster can get on the top of not just a few, but just about any top list he chooses. This is by the creation of pages whose sole purpose is to send in hits to top lists. Acting in unison, generating thousands and thousands of hits if done properly, these pages, linked together, are known as a Funnel.
What the hell is a Funnel ?
A funnel, quite simply, is, indeed, a funnel. It is a collection of web pages designed for the sole purpose of generating hits to other top lists, a sponsor, and/or your main page. Constructing a properly working, self-generating, successful funnel involves a lot of time and effort. But, that effort pays off far greater than submissions to tgp's and search engines. For, a truly successful, enormous funnel can generate a hundred thousand hits a day. It's called a funnel because its purpose is to funnel hits to a central location. Look at hits as grains of sugar, and the pages as a funnel sending the grains of sugar to one place. It's that simple. A funnel is not simply a page with a lot of links, thought that is exactly what it looks like, if taken separately. One can not just go join a slew of top lists and hope someone clicks on the links. A proper funnel is a carefully constructed machine, a machine that generates its own power, its own hits, all by itself, so that the funnel owner can stop adding pages to the funnel, and go start another one! So, how do you make one, dammit? First, we find a top list. It should have no gateway, and have very few hits at the bottom link. We make a page, and that page is going to have three links: a link to the top list, a link to your target site, and a link to a blind link sponsor perhaps. Your target site can be a sponsor, your main page, or another top list, if you like. I make...
my Funnel Page One ...
this way: Sponsor, Main Page, Top List. Page One: We go to the top list we've chosen, and we add our link to the top list. We call it "Hardcore Free Sex" and sign up for the list. We're given a code, and we go back to our page, and we add that link to our page. We click on the link, and now, we have one hit in to the top list. When someone clicks on that link, they are going to go to your page you just created, fp1. They will click on the top list link, your main page, or your sponsor. This is a free hit that took you five minutes to get. Well, that's not what we're looking for. What if they don't click on anything, and just hit the back button? That's not very likely; only about twenty per cent of the clicks will hit the back button. But, there is a way to take care of that, too. It's called Ron's Back Button Script From Hell. I'll show it to you later. Page Two Now, we make page two of our funnel. It's going to have four links. The same or another sponsor, the same or another main page, the link to the first top list, and a link to a new top list. This is where some people get lost, so I'm going to use an imaginary top list here: Ron's Super Top List This is the link on Page One. It goes to my super-duper-neato top list, and it sends hits back to page one of your funnel. The new page,
Page Two ...
... is going to have this same link on it. It will be an exact duplicate, actually, of Page One, only, there will be a new link added to it. And, that's the new top list we've found, Ron's Crappy Piece of Shit Top List. We join Ron's Crappy Piece of Shit Top List, and add Page Two to it, calling it "Hardcore Naked Sex." That's the name of this page. We then place that link on Page Two, and we click on it. Now, someone clicks on your link, and goes to Page Two. They're faced with an enormous choice: Four links! Sponsor, Main Page, top list one, or top list two. Well, they hit the back button, and go back to the top list that they came from? Nope, cause Ron's Back Button From Hell catches them...more about that later, ha ha. Ron's Back Button From Hell takes them to top list one. Or, even page one. They're trapped. Only way to get out is to go to your sponsor, your home page, a blind link, or top list one, moving you up higher on that list.
Page Three ...
... will have five links: the link going to top list one, the link going to top list two, your sponsor, your main page, and a link to a new top list, "Ron's Naked Ass In Public" top list. We add a link to my ass, and go back to page three and add the link. We click on it, and find my fine ass top list. Someone clicks on that link, and goes to page three. They have five choices. They hit the back button, but they go to page two. They're trapped. Or, there is another cute trick we can do here. Let's go to top list two, Ron's Crappy Piece of Shit Top List, and ADD THE LINK to page ONE to that list! The top list is actually going to have two links to your funnel now --- page two, and the link to page one. That page does NOT exist. It never has, and it never will. It's simply a cgi script sitting on a top list. We'll call the link "Ron's Enormous Ego", and we add that link to ...
page four ...
... when we make it, but for now, it's going on the back button console, Ron's Back Button From Hell. By now, you can see that Top List One is producing some pretty heavy-duty traffic to your first page, because you've moved up in that list, maybe twenty hits in five hours. Wow, that's a lot to start. Page Four Page four will have only five links, not six, as you would expect. It's going to have your sponsor, your main page, the link to the top list for page two, and the link to the top list for page three. It's going to have a new link, top list four. It's going to have a back button console for "Ron's Enormous Ego" top list, sending traffic to page one through the cgi script we set up on page three, remember? Notice, we dropped a link. We no longer have a link on this page leading to top list one. We've done all the damage we're going to do to top list one for now. We now have a working funnel, but it will die of loneliness unless we keep adding links, right? Sure it will, he said with an evil grin. But, now we go back to Page One. We make a back button console for the top list link for page four! We now have a complete circle. The funnel is only four pages long; yet, it will generate traffic by itself, usually, unless we have poorly timed top lists and chose them improperly. So, to be safe, we add pages fix and six and seven...all dropping off one link and adding a new one. Now we go back to page two, and add a back button console to the top list for page seven. Page seven keeps page six alive, page six keeps page five alive, etc. Page two keeps page seven alive, and page four keeps page one alive, and vice versa. Such a simple funnel should have between ten and twenty pages. And now, we're going to go back to page one. It's going to have a console that opens a link to the top list for page twenty, or your last page. This will be an entrance console. Of course, such a funnel can be made entirely without the java scripts. I've made a one hundred page funnel without a single java script; I've made thirty page funnels with them.
Remember..!!
... the reason for existence of the funnel is not to be pretty, not to please the surfer at all. It only exists to generate traffic. There is basically NO content on the funnel pages; they serve only the purpose of getting hits. And, hits are money, cash, lots of it. By the end of the funnel, page one should be at the top of top list one. It should be getting a thousand hits a day, easy. And, so should page two, et al... With a heavy duty large funnel, you can sacrifice the rules in the middle of the funnel and add your sponsors to the back button, if you like. Or, you can feel free to add links from that page to other funnels, other top lists...you're getting a lot of hits on it, and you may as well use it.

enlighter
07-23-2001, 02:15 PM
1.) There are only a very few toplists out there that accept pages without any/real content. And if they do, they are usually very small ones (with maybe 1 - 2K of daily traffic for all sites subscribed)

2.) I doubt this will work at all.... YouŽll have no traffic the next day...if not even earlier!

sandman
07-23-2001, 02:17 PM
If done right it works i used to do something similar awile ago just been too busy with other projects to do it any more http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Dan S
07-23-2001, 02:32 PM
I would say the biggest problem is to find the right toplists.
I wonder if there are any serious toplists without gateways + without the c p crap http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

andy2000
07-23-2001, 02:39 PM
most top list use target _blank so the back button thing will not work on most top lists

koon
07-23-2001, 02:43 PM
i think it will work
i have enough good toplist can do the job
hehe i had think about it on the old time
but just too lazy to figure the whole thing
too many links made me want to sleep

quotealex
07-23-2001, 02:53 PM
Would you care to share with you fellow webmasters. Most of the top lists I use don't do squat for me. Almost as worse as TGPs.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by koon:
i have enough good toplist can do the job </font>

koon
07-23-2001, 02:55 PM
there is a little may work for back button
open size 100% with your site and redirect
that page to another page with javascript and
cookie ... so if that person click on back
button it will go back to your redirect page ... you will set only the first time it will redirect but not the second time

koon
07-23-2001, 03:02 PM
if it is shity traffic .. find some way to convert it into good traffic

my toplist list is not some very good traffic but there are always way to make it into good traffic

sorry cant give it to everyone cause if everyone know about it ... i dont think i can make funnel work

sandman
07-23-2001, 03:06 PM
toplist traffic is much better then any tgp traffic http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

pearce6
07-23-2001, 04:09 PM
Could i ask I DO want to try this method but would like to know at least the top 10 PORN TOP LISTS

thankz

Terian
07-23-2001, 06:20 PM
I am the one who wrote that. I have over 15 such operating funnels. There are thousands of top lists out there. MOST allow such sites to add accounts to their top lists. I run 51 tops myself. Plus, there is nothing wrong with sending hits from such a funnel to YOUR sites from the funnels, and mixing the links. It works for me, if you want to try it, try it, and if you don't, don't. Simple, eh? It took me several years to develop a really good working system like the one described.
I'm the moderator of the board where that was posted, by the way. All you would have had to do was email me and ask me. It's at adultwebmasters.sk on their main page, as to how to design links to top lists. It's NOT an idea for newbies at all. It takes work, long hours, and careful consideration to design such a funnel. People PAY me to design funnels, and I do it all the time, daily. Give it a try, you have nothing to lose, and by the way, it's NOT cheating.

quotealex
07-23-2001, 07:01 PM
What's the URL to this article and how $$$ (range) are talking about to design such a funnel?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Terian:
I am the one who wrote that. I have over 15 such operating funnels. There are thousands of top lists out there. MOST allow such sites to add accounts to their top lists. I run 51 tops myself. Plus, there is nothing wrong with sending hits from such a funnel to YOUR sites from the funnels, and mixing the links. It works for me, if you want to try it, try it, and if you don't, don't. Simple, eh? It took me several years to develop a really good working system like the one described.
I'm the moderator of the board where that was posted, by the way. All you would have had to do was email me and ask me. It's at adultwebmasters.sk on their main page, as to how to design links to top lists. It's NOT an idea for newbies at all. It takes work, long hours, and careful consideration to design such a funnel. People PAY me to design funnels, and I do it all the time, daily. Give it a try, you have nothing to lose, and by the way, it's NOT cheating.</font>

Niki
07-24-2001, 05:45 AM
you're totally wrong ...

my toplists get together 80k+ unique, the biggest http://www.asiangirlsonly.com/ has about 10k and they are all super clean, CP free, without gate and exit chain ...

Niki
http://www.nichetoplists.com/

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by enlighter:
1.) There are only a very few toplists out there that accept pages without any/real content. And if they do, they are usually very small ones (with maybe 1 - 2K of daily traffic for all sites subscribed)

2.) I doubt this will work at all.... YouŽll have no traffic the next day...if not even earlier!</font>

jim7out
07-24-2001, 08:47 AM
Yes, Terian is right. I got that off of the site he mentioned above.
Also, tey have a list of hundreds of Toplists at that site.

I have seen Terian posting on the Pink4Free board, he seems to be a successful webmaster.

Terian, I would pay for a funnel like this also, email me please or post your email.

Rich
07-24-2001, 09:18 AM
I keep getting a 404 from that site

enlighter
07-24-2001, 09:29 AM
well NIKI: ..plz read again what I wrote, I didnt say there are no toplists with more then 1-2K of daily traffic that arent clean and have no CP texts, but rather I said only few of them allow sites without any real content!!

BTW: how do I quote from a previous msg?

jim7out
07-24-2001, 09:32 AM
Rich,
it's adultwebmaster.sk
It comes up fine here

Guys, if anybody tries this, please share your results with the board, OK?

Beaver
07-24-2001, 09:32 AM
Hi'
I had a go at something very similar a few years back, I thought it was a great idea and expected to generate more traffic than I could handle. It failed miserably due to 2 main reasons.
1 ) A lot of the toplists cheat like fuck, shave your hits and keep friends and sponsors at the top.
2 ) Half the toplists are free hosted and are VERY UNRELIABLE, sometimes they don't update for days or simply stick completely, Broken toplists eat your traffic in a BIG way.
I did learn one or two tricks with toplists that work quite well if you can be bothered to set it up.
1 ) Use redirectors to send traffic to toplists.
2 ) find the time that the toplists reset to zero and start sending a stream of hits in half an hour before the first update and you will get the lions share of the traffic for a few hours, this also has another beneficial effect even when you stop sending traffic in "The Sheep Effect" people are just like sheep even if a link is not at the top of the list but shows a lot of hits OUT you think hmmmmm must be good. CLICK
I used to rely quite a lot on toplists but very rarely bother now (but yaz all got me thinking again ;)
my top tip is DON'T expect the same successful descriptions to work on all toplists, play with your descriptions and watch your stats to decide what works in that toplist you can easily gain 60% traffic by changing the wording of your link.

quotealex
07-24-2001, 10:28 AM
I can't access the URL also.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by jim7out:
Rich,
it's adultwebmaster.sk
It comes up fine here

Guys, if anybody tries this, please share your results with the board, OK?
</font>

quotealex
07-24-2001, 10:30 AM
Ok I got it. You must put "www." in front of the URL to work. He-He.

Marec
07-24-2001, 03:23 PM
www.adultwebmaster.sk (http://www.adultwebmaster.sk) should work all right ....

iŽm a webmaster ...
greetings RON http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

silvertree
07-24-2001, 06:28 PM
anyone tried out some of the listed toplist. they demonstrate how the funnel works. I spent about 20 wandering around and did not find one bit of content.

interresting, a CJ with toplist.

Klima
07-24-2001, 07:00 PM
What is the code to manipulate the back button????

Bean
07-25-2001, 06:40 AM
I just started a toplist not long ago... but now I am going to be putting some time into it.

http://www.dragonstop.com No popups and no ads right now.

pearce6
07-25-2001, 08:37 AM
WHAT IS THE BIGGEST TOP LIST

matuloo
07-25-2001, 08:53 AM
Enlighter :

I am playing toplists for a long time already, I even have about 20 myself, none of them contain CP, no exit chains, and they all have some decent traffic, and gues what - none off them require real content.

I know about 100 other toplists which are all the same like mine, no CP, no exit chains, no real content required.

subog
07-25-2001, 11:57 AM
List 'em plz...

matuloo
07-25-2001, 02:48 PM
ADULTWEBMASTER.SK

quite well designed site, but full of links to fucking CP toplists. Nothing for a real wise webmaster.

quotealex
04-16-2003, 10:54 AM
Anyone still doing these toplist funnels?

sandman
04-16-2003, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by quotealex
Anyone still doing these toplist funnels?

Not really but im sure it can be done personally i got tired of all the cp on toplists was too much work deleting people signing up with real cp on thier sites.
5-10k a day with funnels can be done in 1 week if you work on it.

MiOb
04-16-2003, 03:34 PM
i have some sites ... (no CP)
check my sign.

Mikey
04-16-2003, 07:19 PM
Man, this is an old, old post.