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copland

04-03-2002, 05:34 PM

I've just bought a password script (password sentry) through ibill and I donated a dollar to some kiddy charity at the same time (you had to uncheck the box on the sign up page if you didn't want to donate). Looks like a good idea to me. Any chance of you lot doing that? PS: How many emails do I have to send to get my money wired?

notr

04-03-2002, 08:44 PM

Does I bill take 15% of that 1$ for processing? Abby

copland

04-05-2002, 06:14 AM

I doubt it. That'd be taking the piss.

shunga

04-05-2002, 11:40 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by copland: Looks like a good idea to me. Any chance of you lot doing that?<hr /></blockquote>Yes, having someone ask your potential customers for a charitable donation without your permission is a wonderful idea... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />

copland

04-05-2002, 02:44 PM

They haven't just stuck it on peoples sign up pages without their consent have they? I had an ibill account. You can't adapt the pages. Is there an option in the admin area to turn it off?

shunga

04-05-2002, 03:09 PM

As I understand it you have to email IBill and ask them to have the box unchecked by default. I don't mind the idea, but not asking permission isn't the right way to go about it. I don't think IBill even emailed people in advance of the change.

flyingiguana

04-05-2002, 03:21 PM

o look another reason for surfers not to trust porn sites. billing companies decide to make extra charges without making a decent effort to inform the surfer. smart move ibill <img border="0" alt="[Finger]" title="" src="graemlins/finger.gif" />

slickroyale

04-05-2002, 03:25 PM

I don't think it's a good idea to bring up "charities" or good causes on a porn site, it brings one second closer to them clicking the "x" I want my surfers horny and ready to pull our their wallet, not thinking about some starving kid or wife who got beaten... This is SMUT, get back to pushing it like a real man.

arthurdent

04-05-2002, 03:34 PM

For me this is a last time! GFY iBill - Databases Temporarily Unavailable, AGAIN <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> Does anyone use Glo-bill?...experience? peace

copland

04-05-2002, 03:41 PM

Looks like CCBill are fucked too. They're taking sales, but not adding the members. I'm having to do it all manually. I reckon donations are a good idea, only if the webmaster has total control over it though (like prices).

copland

04-05-2002, 03:43 PM

PS: From my experience Globill are the worst of the three.

arthurdent

04-05-2002, 03:49 PM

I don't like ccBill and don't trust iBill anymore, so what can I do? Any suggestion... I don't have merchant account <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> peace

toker

04-05-2002, 04:21 PM

FYI i spoke with one of the guys at ibill and he says its a political thing with the charity donation.

shunga

04-05-2002, 04:48 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by toker: FYI i spoke with one of the guys at ibill and he says its a political thing with the charity donation.<hr /></blockquote>I don't doubt it. The problem I have with that is that it implies we have something to apologize for, and I think that's a bad position to take.

copland

04-05-2002, 05:27 PM

Paypal take subscriptions. They're crap though. No instant access. You have to verify your account and that takes a month!!! Looks like your going to have to swallow your pride and go with ccbill. As far as the ibill business is concerned, that's totally fucked up. They're not their sites. How dare they shove forced donations on subscribers. That's totally unacceptable. If they want to give money, then they can take it out of their profits. It's a shame those political parasites aren't so keen on bringing in that international transaction tax (1% on all transacations for the third world - $50 billion a year, enough to pay for global sanitisation ten times over!!!). Shunga's right, picking on porn sites implies there's something bad about it. PORNO ROCKS Fact of life. The only people who have a problem with it are those that are in kahoots with the devil.

basschick

04-05-2002, 06:19 PM

why not use jettis?

arthurdent

04-05-2002, 06:26 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by basschick: why not use jettis?<hr /></blockquote><img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" /> basschick, do you have any experience with jettis, which you can share... peace

Jorge

04-05-2002, 07:05 PM

MC/EC + VISA = f*cking monopoly (much worse than M$ in my humble opinion), regardless both Ibill´s, CCbill´s size, they must play according their rules. my personal experience: 1. ccbill 2. ibill (horrible rebills, last two weeks under 15 per cent) 3. globill ( my personal CCs *never* went through, issued in CZ, AT, DE banks, same feedback from *several* surfers who had balls to send me a message)

copland

04-05-2002, 07:41 PM

Jettis = Content restrictions. I've got stuff with animals on my site. They won't deal with it.

arthurdent

04-05-2002, 07:58 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by copland: Jettis = Content restrictions. I've got stuff with animals on my site. They won't deal with it.<hr /></blockquote><img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" /> copland, anything else, I will very appreciative for any comment (relative to jettis <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> ) peace

copland

04-05-2002, 08:31 PM

That's all I know about Jettis. Don't know what they're like to use. If you're not bothered about excessice content restrictions over and above other processors, give them a try. Otherwise you're going to have to go with ccbill.

arthurdent

04-05-2002, 08:47 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by copland: That's all I know about Jettis. Don't know what they're like to use. If you're not bothered about excessice content restrictions over and above other processors, give them a try. Otherwise you're going to have to go with ccbill.<hr /></blockquote>thanks peace

basschick

04-05-2002, 08:51 PM

nastydollars uses jettis. they say they're very happy.

arthurdent

04-05-2002, 10:11 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by basschick: nastydollars uses jettis. they say they're very happy.<hr /></blockquote>thanks peace

Atahualpa

04-06-2002, 12:16 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Royale: I don't think it's a good idea to bring up "charities" or good causes on a porn site, it brings one second closer to them clicking the "x" I want my surfers horny and ready to pull our their wallet, not thinking about some starving kid or wife who got beaten... This is SMUT, get back to pushing it like a real man.<hr /></blockquote><img border="0" alt="[Nod]" title="" src="graemlins/nod.gif" />

Dreamer

04-06-2002, 03:36 AM

I heard that jettis is very good, but I think you need to pay to get merchant account there.

arthurdent

04-06-2002, 10:45 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Dreamer: I heard that jettis is very good, but I think you need to pay to get merchant account there.<hr /></blockquote><img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" /> Dreamer, At jettis site they say: "If you don't want your own Internet Merchant Account, we have a third party processing solution called jetbill." So, do you know anything about jetbill? Thanks... peace

blighty

04-07-2002, 11:34 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by copland: I've just bought a password script (password sentry) through ibill and I donated a dollar to some kiddy charity at the same time (you had to uncheck the box on the sign up page if you didn't want to donate). Looks like a good idea to me. Any chance of you lot doing that? PS: How many emails do I have to send to get my money wired?<hr /></blockquote>why not donate to a cause which could directly help your longevity <a href="http://www.antichildporn.org/paypal.cfm" target="_blank">http://www.antichildporn.org/paypal.cfm</a> cheers

copland

04-07-2002, 12:25 PM

What, stick that link on my sign up page? I could do, but it wouldn't be as effective as sticking an extra dollar on the sign up price, and donating that instead (people don't like making extra clicks). I don't even know if they're a proper cause either (a lot of charities exist purely to give do-gooders a well paid job - primarily the ones that 'educate' as opposed to 'do something' about a problem). I don't see how it'd make me live longer though!

blighty

04-07-2002, 12:48 PM

take a look at the site, I think you'll find they are an good organisation. I mean the porn business would do well to support things like antichilldporn which is good PR for the industry etc... and its better to advertise your support than say $1 of your subs goes to antiCP. you think people will believe you?

blighty

04-07-2002, 12:54 PM

or link to <a href="http://www.asacp.org/webmasters.html" target="_blank">http://www.asacp.org/webmasters.html</a> but I don't think they do as much as your not able to donate. F£B

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copland

04-07-2002, 03:21 PM

I've stuck a link up and given them twenty dollars. She had a 0 next to her name! Are they new or something? They want to set up their own porn site. That'll bring some 'donations' in.

*Kimmykim*

04-08-2002, 11:53 AM

copland - NO, we don't intend to do any such donation, and we would never do something like that without warning our site owners or giving them the chance to remove it entirely from their join pages. As for the animal stuff, if you're using us to process that, you're account will be terminated including the rebills. Visa's made a new rule regarding bestiality and fake bestiality and we stopped processing rebills and new joins on it almost two weeks ago. I'm sure a few sites probably slipped through the cracks since we ran a check against domain names, but as we find any others they are being terminated. We will not be processing any of these transactions, even on non-Visa sales. Sorry to break the news to you, but Visa makes the rules and we have to follow them.

copland

04-08-2002, 03:01 PM

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> Who the fuck are visa telling people what they can and can't buy with their own money. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> This is the thin end of the wedge. Next up fisting, hardcore s&m, piss drinking, and shit eating. They'll be telling people what brand of beans they can and can't buy next. Way too much power. How come there's only two anyway? (visa/mastercard). That's not freedom of choice. That's fascism. How can the spending habits of the entire planet be controlled by two men in suits? That's fucked up.

*Kimmykim*

04-08-2002, 03:13 PM

copland - Somehow I missed the bottom of your email -- did you fill out the change form at <a href="http://ccbill.com" target="_blank">http://ccbill.com</a> ? to get the money wired? If you did and it hasn't been fixed, then email me -- if not then grab one of those and send it back to us with the new info on it and they will change it. We can't just make changes to your account without being sure it's you and making sure we've got a sig on all the docs...

copland

04-08-2002, 03:27 PM

What, for my last ever pay cheque. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> I never sent you an email. I sent four in total, but they were to different people. I kept getting bounced around. I filled the form in with the second email. I can send it again if you've lost it. It doesn't matter if the cheques are going to dry up. It's just that they take ages to come, and another 28 days to clear (foreign currency), so my outgoings are a month in advacnce and my incomings up to two months or more in arrears (big headache).

*Kimmykim*

04-09-2002, 11:15 AM

I should have said missed the bottom of your post, not email, my bad. I haven't seen an email from you -- once again, if you didn't do the change form, you've got to do that prior to us making any changes to your account, it's just the way our system works. We mail checks every Monday to each account that's hit the minimum, not much we can do about the mail system or the banks in a foreign country <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

EscortBiz

05-07-2002, 02:59 AM

hey why is noone using paycom aka epoch they dont require that 3 digit on back of card and its hard to charge back

im not using them but looking around

I know they had problems in the past but ibill and ccbill had problems as well just wondering what im missing

toker

05-07-2002, 06:18 AM

Epoch does not take anyone and everyone like some smaller processors.

EscortBiz

05-07-2002, 08:38 AM

Hi

What do you mean by "Does not take everyone"

Sorry im new to third party billing stuff can you explaine
please

netbilling

05-07-2002, 07:27 PM

EscortBiz,

Actually CVV2 does not make it much easlier for disputes. It does not help you fuight chargebacks. It is a good option for the initial scrubbing though. We recommend it and offer it to our merchants as well if they wish to require irt or leave it as an optional field.

Thank you, Mitch Farber