This board is going down hill

[MonkeyNuts]

I'm still pretty new to the biz and I like to come to the boards to see whats going on in the porn biz. Hopeing I will come across some usefull info and from time to time I do. But since there is SOOOOOOOO much talk about dialers why not just open up a dailer forum. Thats all I ever see in the general traffic traders talk dialer this dialer that.

[xApster]

This descusion is almost as old as my grandpa...

[Pinox]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by xApster:
This descusion is almost as old as my grandpa... </font>

And even Grandpa's dont life forever.....

Ron

[Dan S]

Well, it proves once more that dialer guys just dont get along.

Its very annoying...
Never seen so much fights between sponsors before the dialer hype.

Dan

[Tam]

Dan S.... I have to differ with you on that one.... I get along with all of them.. have even done some tech support for other dialer sponsors webmasters....... I have talked with most all of them and get along with most all of them.

I have even had some tell me that they have to move on and go try another dialer and have referred them to other dialer sponsors who will be good to them and pay them. So not ALL of us hate each other. This is a small circle of them you are seeing here.... alot of them don't even get involved in the pissing matches and I am one of them... they have a problem it's between them and not me......... I get involved only when I see MY dialer involved and that's my limit.

It's OUR responsibilty as sponsors to act in a manner of professionalism at ALL times and that's what I try and do.. I don't always succeed and lose my temper sometimes, I am only human..... but I do see alot of dialer sponsors pissing with each other and this is not professional at all.

I think that we as Dialer Sponsors have a duty to remain professional and everyone knows that not all of the webmasters that use these programs are always going to follow the rules and do the right thing, but we still have to remain professional in how we handle them.

These constant cat fights do get a bit old... BUT if we remain steadfast to our rules and handle anyone who breaks the rules accordingly then we can't be accused of treatin one this way and another that way.

We had to ban one guy this morning for breaking every rule we have....... no questions asked, no second chances... he's gone....... and a few months back we had to ban one for using cp links and the word free and such....... when he left he took 3 of our biggest webmasters with him....... cut our minutes in half....... but we can't say "they are big, let it go".... we have to have standards and stick with those standards no matter how big or little the webmasters are.

I am not going to comment on any of the present issues........ my point in this topic is to let you know that not ALL dialer sponsors hate each other ..what is going on there is something they will have to hash out amongst themselves.. I am going to probably get ripped a new ass for just posting this.. but I wanted it clear that not all of them hate each other.

Just be professional..... that's all I have ever tried to be.... http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif There are alot of egos flying around with dialer sponsors and sometimes those egos clash.... and boy oh boy when they do...... well....... you see what happens. LOL

Tam

[wolfshade]

I would like to take this oportunity to explain a few things.

My dialerresource(can't post tthe name here due to our fine admins) is about good and honest dialerprograms. I run a dialerprogram myself and list others there too.

But they have to have some standards.

The rumble you see happening here today is not because the typical my dialer is better then your dialer stuff you normally see.

I caught a comapny listed on my trusted dialers list doing things that can not be condoned therefor that dialerprogram is of my trusted dialerlist and on my blacklist.

It has nothing to do with my dialerprogram but everything to do with the quality of my resource.

If I would not have done what I did that dialer resource would be no good because I'd knowingly list companies as trusted that are not that honest.

When after the event owners and admins of this board decide to ban that resource I get angry and damn well speak my mind.

To me that is very professional behaviour as it ensures the quality of my resources.

Hope that clears a few things up.

Wolfshade

[MonkeyNuts]

Cool more bitchin about dialers

[Tam]

Monkeynuts.. I was not bitching at all... I was simply letting you know that not all of us hate each other.... LMAO

In fact I get along with all of them except one and that is something I won't even bring here as it isn't a place for that.... but seriously I like all of them..... I love that too because we can watch each others backs... http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Tam

[MonkeyNuts]

Thats not the issue. Its just that every post on this board has something to do with a dialer.

[Tam]

I totally agree with you on that one.... I know there are more sponsors out there than dialer sponsors right? LMAO

[wolfshade]

There are?

Wolfshade

[Dan S]

Tam, I can agree on that.
Like most times the bad apples get the most attention http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Dan

[Rimmer]

Wolfshade,

You're welcome to add / remove sites to your list and blacklist whoever you like for whatever your reasons. I don't really care what you do as its none of my business as its your site.

However what you can't do is annouce those changes on this message board. THAT IS SPAM and belongs on the Spam / Announcement board not the General Chat Board!

[snow]

Tam knows I love her ASK HER??
Brian from webmastercommerce hes my bro..
xtc dialer are my bros
nobsdialer were cool
sexring dialer were cool
MNH dialer were cool
xapster has a dialer were cool
shannon has a dialer were cool
stu has a dialer Hes like a brother
JESUS everyone has a dialer....LOL

2 people that go after me are
dial-king and
wolfshade WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Its simple..

They want something i have... Dan S your pissed at me cause I spammed... Hey i can live with that..... I really don't have a beef with anyone man.......And i dont hate dan s at all... he helped me when i knoew nothing.... As much as dan wants to say bad about me i dont care i still owe him for helping me out...

Snow

So Tam is absolutely right.. People with a proffessional attitude in the dialer industry all get along...ASK any of thses guys we all get along great....


SNOW
I don't like pissing matches
I don't like negativity
When somone puts me down like wolfshade or dial-king I loose respectfor them fast..

You deserved what you got wolf

SNOW

[snow]

And this board is Hardly going down..

THIS IS THE BEST BOARD ON THE PLANET

[dan-sexhound]

Hell yeah, this is the best board around.

There is no love lost betweem Tam and I http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif, but I thought about it one night when I was back in the states a few months ago, having dinner at a chinese place.

I opened my fortune cookie, it read "big winds come from empty caves".

[Rimmer]

Empty Vessels Make the Most Noise http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[wolfshade]

Rimmer,

I seriously suggest you go back and re-read that announcement.

I'm sure you will notice the following:

1 I made that announcement to stop the crap around here as I stated there I took action on my own board/site so it would end here.

2 I didn't even name my site and I also didn't post a URL so you banning that domain is bullshit, unless offcourse it is to protect Snow which I'm pretty sure is the real reason.

3 What's also rather funny is that Snow spammed his ass off in the past yet his URL works perfectly here, more confirmation for my suspicions as mentioned above.

The old some are more equal then others routine eh?

As stated before it doesn't matter that you banned my domain as I don't post it here to spam anyway(And you fucking know that!)

But don't try to bullshit me with a remark like this because I never spammed the URL your reasons are bullshit.

Be a man and admit the real reason!

A still pissed off Wolfshade

[Dan S]

Snow, actually I am not pissed at you...

Well, there have been a few issues before this. But mostly you pissed me off the time cj2 was invented. You have been the first one pulling crap again without letting others know, like autodownload dialer, exit trades, etc.

That was the point where I stoped talking to you. Thats some month ago. But I do not hate you man. I was, maybe I still am pissed. But hell, what I think is I wouldnt do any business with you, because I wouldnt want to rely on you.

But hate is something very different. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

And yes, there are alot of good dialer guys around. We people maybe get the wrong picture reading all the mud matches here with just a few guys involved.

Dan

[Dan S]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by wolfshade:


2 I didn't even name my site and I also didn't post a URL so you banning that domain is bullshit, unless offcourse it is to protect Snow which I'm pretty sure is the real reason.

3 What's also rather funny is that Snow spammed his ass off in the past yet his URL works perfectly here, more confirmation for my suspicions as mentioned above.

The old some are more equal then others routine eh?

</font>


Wolf,
I didnt complain about your announcements, but I found them annoying. If Rimmer finds them annoying he will blacklist it on HIS board.

Tell me what would be a reason for Tim to protect Snow?

Snow spammed the board well before we have Rich and Mag as moderators and rules are really enforced. And he didnt spam for some time now. Maybe thats why his url is not black listed.

Now you are pissed. Well, ok.
But this has nothing to do with shit like "some people are more equal".

You are still off track, and won`t do any good.


Dan

[dan-sexhound]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Rimmer:
Empty Vessels Make the Most Noise http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif</font>

and the most posts, on ALL boards http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
LOL

[wolfshade]

Dan S,

If one post about a matter is considered spam, I supose 99% of this board should get banned.

Rimmer/Tim obviously has a problem with me, well then he should have banned me

As I stated multiple times allready.

And to answer your question I can think of a lot of reasons for Tim to protect Snow

Like Being buddies and sticking up for eachother.

Personaly I don't give a rats ass about the real reason, I just hate it when they try to justify their action with bogus reasons.

Like I said blacklist and ban me all you want but be honest about it. I haven't spammed and you know that's true!

Wolfshade

[snow]

Hey Dan S I'm cool with that dude... Lets just get along....I understand where you coming from... So lets just be friends ok......

[Dan S]

Wolf,

I hope you take no offense for me having a point, ok?
Wouldnt like to have an enemy in you http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


But think about it.
Your site is a commercial site.
Doing announcements on the regular board for topics on a commercial site is concidered spam. Even more if there is a board dedicated to ANNOUNCEMENTS. Its even called Spam/Announcement Board.

You cant really blame Tim on this.

Dan

[Dan S]

Shit....I missed my 1000th post anniversary!

god damn shit, how could that ever happen????? http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

[wolfshade]

Dan S don't worry I respect your opinion http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

You know me well enough to know that I only attack when I have reason to.

I do have a question though:

How was my announcent anny different then Rimmers posts on his UCJ script?

I mean he sells that scrip commercialy too.

And besides as I stated before I made that announcement for the purpose of ending the crap threads here.

Oh well next time I"ll make sure the shit threads go on forever on this board, gues that's more appreciated http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Wolfshade

[Rimmer]

Its the 12th time this month that makes it spam. The fact that you're wasting my time bitching about it makes me even more determined about the ban. It may even become permanent at this rate because dialer resellers are dime a dozen and nobody is missing out seeing your dialer posted every 3 days on the board.

As far as Snow is concerned he has come close to being banned multiple times and I've deleted or locked many of his posts in the past where he has crossed the spam line. There was one time where if I'd thought to use the censored word feature before his dialer would probably have been on it and if I see too many occurences of him posting his dialer in places that it shouldn't that can still happen. However these days he mostly behaves himself so I'm more than happy to have him at the board.

As far as dialers and picking one over another you should take note of the following:
(a) I don't use any dialers on my site
(b) I don't own any dialer program myself
(c) I don't receive any money for advertising other peoples dialers programs

So that would probably make me the most impartial person on the whole board regarding dialers.

[Rimmer]

Haha,

As far as UCJ-C script annoucements I've made probably 2 in Februrary and I think the last one before that was August last year.

Not really many annoucements considering that AWI was the home of UCJ before the message board was even installed.

[richard]

http://www.adultwebmasterinfo.com/smilies/laugh.gif

[Dan S]

Thats an easy question Wolf http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

If you have a farm and put a sign near the street "Fresh Potatoes for Sale".
Would you appreciate if your neighbor would put his sign "Fresh Tomatoes for sale just 300m left site down the road" next to it on your grounds?

I guess not http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Dan

[Cam]

Guys,

I have to seriously give Rimmer some credit. Shit I am really Impressed that there isnt anything on this board about UCJ! And with what he does put up with - with everyone else spamming the shit out of his board. hell, he wastes a shitload of bandwidth for lots of poeples pissing matches about their friggen dialers, and for him not to be promoting himself, so the rest of us can come here and learn something - Now thats Class!!! Thanks Rimmer

[wolfshade]

C'mon Rimmer gimme a little more credit then that you even had it as a signature in the past. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Any search on your nic will show that.

Second

And this is the last time I'm going to say this: You are trying to punish me for the fact that I ensure quality on my resource

I can't believe you actualy support these practises I blacklisted him for after all the proof. It reflects badly on you and surely shows you're not as impartial as you say.

Now as for dialers and you can do a search here to verify what I'm saying is true I do not spam my dialer at all, only respond when asked and even then don't post the URL so again the spamming statement is not true(and that's an understatement) .

dclopedia is the dialer resource and as stated a separate thing and I treat it as such.

I just don't want a business like Snow's on the trusted dialer list when he uses practises like this.

(As you can see there)if you care to take a look you will find a lot of GOOD companies on there

And also on the blacklist you will see the reason for the blacklist and I can prove what's stated there.

When you do a search here you will find that most of the time my dialer resource was mentioned it was not even by me but by a webmaster/webmistress that found it to be a good resource. How's that my fault?

Sorry I run a good site, and sorry I try to get some quality into the dialer bizz.

I know you all like it much better when it's shady and nobody knows the good from the bad guys.(YEAH RIGHT!!! http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif )

I make a promise here and now and you may quote me on it:

I WILL NEVER EVER BLACKLIST A DIALERCOMPANY ON MY DIALERRESOURCE IF I'M NOT 100% SURE THAT THE REASON TO BLACKLIST IS 100$ TRUE AND PROVEN!

Hell ask Alex from dialup2 he just recieved an email from me regarding a blacklist request I DOUBLECHECK everything.

As I said to Rich yesterday I won't turn back what I did because knowingly putting up a company like that on the trusted dialerlist decreases the value of my resource to zero!

If you can't accept that tough if you want to blacklist the domain no problem just don't expect me to shut up about it.

Maybe if you actualy read the posts you lock maybe you'd actualy understand what was going on.

You just triggerhappy.

Wolfshade

[wolfshade]

Dan S

In fact I list my neigbour's potatoes on my resources, just like AWI is listed on my board as a good board and good dialers are listed on my dialer resource.

I don't have to try to outclass other dialerprograms I let the quality of mine speak for itself.

I'm doing fine without spamming it, and I will not resort to it ever.

So I gues the answer to your question if I would like it would be:

Yes I do like it very much and on that note good dialer companies not listed on my dialerlist can contact me(check the profile for contact info) I'll happily put them up.

Up to a point I can understand the reactions here on the dialer threads there have been to many pissing matches about them.

But hey whenever somebody tries to do something about it they get ambushed here, so how in the hell do you expect it to change?

I made a board for it, after the complaints here result I got warned by Rimmer

I made a resource for it to get some quality into this bizz
The results you read here now.

My opinion, you all should stop complaining about dialer threads and specialy when it involves shady practises and non payment because any attempt to help you guys out on it is punished here.

My 2 cents

Wolfshade

[kanga]

who carez if rimmer has UCJ advertisement in his sig ... it's his friggin' board ...

[Rimmer]

How many times do I have to say this. The reason I banned your dialer site was not because of blacklisting snow. It was because you spammed AGAIN about it when you made the annoucement about it on the board. You used banning snow as a method for further publicity for your site which quite frankly I was already sick to death of hearing about.

24th Feb
26th Feb - New Topic
27th Feb
27th Feb - New Topic
28th Feb
1st March - New Topic
2nd March
2nd March - Non Wolfshade New Topic
3rd March x 3 Threads
7th March
10th March - Non wolfshade post
12th March
23rd March - Non wolfshade post
28th March - New Topic and last straw

That's 5 new topics for your dialer created by you or on behalf of you in about the last month. I have a feeling there was at least 1 or 2 more than that might have been deleted for spam.

Also Last time I believe I had a signature on this board was roughly around the time when it was enabled for everyone as an automatic option.

[Dan S]

Well, all I say I see Tims point http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
ok, let me out of here http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Dan

[wolfshade]

24th Feb
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003334.html
As you can see people asked me to list those TGP's and post the url
26th Feb - New Topic
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003458.html
As the topic says I was asked to do this dude!

27th Feb
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003447.html
Didn't spam a URL you spammed your url not me rimmer!

27th Feb - New Topic
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003478.html
Asking a question and showing a sample what's the problem?

28th Feb
Can't even find a post on 28 th dude show me where

1st March - New Topic
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003517.html

Pissing match with Rich and after that asking feedback no spam intended

2nd March
I can only find the thread below show me!


2nd March - Non Wolfshade New Topic
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003543.html
Had nothing to do withthat one as anyone can see

3rd March x 3 Threads

1
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003544.html
Was asked for a forum pointe dout there was a board that was not uncalled for IMHO

2 http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003545.html
Trying to get Spamking of this board and stop the spamming spree you actualy think that was spam???????

3
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003546.html
Same again just responding to teh complaints, sorry I tried to help ya out

7th March
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003623.html
Responding to a question that was NOT uncalled for

10th March - Non wolfshade post
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003710.html
As it said not posted by me

12th March
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003691-2.html
Messing around with mag on the subject of boards he wanted mine. That a problem?

23rd March - Non wolfshade post
True not mine

28th March - New Topic and last straw
Your mistake I think. as stated now numerous times THAT WAS INTENDED TO CUT THE PISSING THREADS but hey now I see you like having them

Maybe if you would have actualy read the above threads you'd get yoru head out of your ass and see it for what it is dude.

Hell if that's a reason to ban I'm proud to be banned (And before youget ya hoped up no I will not shut up as I enjoy bashing this ridiculous attitude wayyy to much!)

Wolfshade

[richard]

http://www.adultwebmasterinfo.com/smilies/laugh.gif

[wolfshade]

What's so funny Rich?

Or have you allready forgotten what you asked me on ICQ yesterday?

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Wolfshade

[Groovy]

there are also enough posts about exit brokers.

[Cam]

I agree,

And I have very "Valid" posts Rimmer, I think I should be a Big Jerk now http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Due]

There is not too many post about anything. Whether it is dialers, brokers, Tam's ass ( http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/tongue.gif ) or whatever the subject is.
However there is too many people webmasters that recently switched over to being so called "sponsors"
THEY ARE THE PROBLEM.
You guys need evaluate how you run your hobby bussiness.
I call it hobby bussiness because no fucking way a well established company would run their bussiness the way many of the new dialer resellers do. It is always about I make more than you. You are jealous. You are just another reseller. etc.
That just prove one thing for me. You are here for the fast $. I would NEVER set my income on risk with such a sponsor.
Remember just because you don't like someone there is no reason to burn the bridges. They might save your ass tomorrow or in a week. Or vice versa.
Mayby some of you will learn the first time you get your ass sued because you stepped on the wrong peoples foot.
I think it is great that people get the chance to run a sponsor program. But people are forgetting they cary a HUGE responsibility to their webmasters
Instead of posting in threads where people ask wich dialer is the best give SUPPORT, ADVICE, Keep in contact with your CURRENT webmasters. Belive me then your CURRENT webmasters will also tell other webmasters about how great your program is. EVEN though they DON'T get any refferer $ for it
Personally I would never use or recommend a sponsor to anyone that engaged in pissing matches the way I've seen on this board lately.
That's just my 2 cents. Some of you will agree, others won't http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif
/Due

[wolfshade]

Ehm for the record Due

This whole matter has nothing to do with my dialer program it's my resource it's about

two separate things dude hope you understand that http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Wolfshade

[Due]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by wolfshade:
Ehm for the record Due

This whole matter has nothing to do with my dialer program it's my resource it's about

two separate things dude hope you understand that http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Wolfshade</font>

No actually this has something to do with this board is going down the hill.
Not your dialer, not your resource page. But talking in general

[nic]

i agree with due 100%, i also would say, you so called dialer resource page is just a way for you to sell your own dialer. If it wasn't why would you have make $$$ go to your dialer, why not have it go to the the good dialers?

[wolfshade]

Well first because the good and trusted dialer companies are allready listed on that frontpage on the dialers that pay list.

Second because I'm still expanding the resource and the layout as is will not be the definate version as I plan to list a whole lot more there. I needed a working site first because of the mess here at the time, which I wnated to clear up.

People in case you haven't noticed dialerls have a very bad rep. Due to a few bad seeds fucking over the webmasters(you should see the emails I get daily).

I agree fully with all of you that the fights here are only helping to make matters worse and it truly is very unprofessional indeed.

That is the main reason fpr starting it. the resource was there first then came the program. And offcourse I'm in the game to make money too you won't hear me deny that we all are.

But I never stuck my nose into any fights between dialercompanies and yes I do call them companies even if some don't act like it it's what they are.

What happened here with vipdialer and the posts I read about it followed by the emails I received from a lot of webmasters made me decide to do what I did and if it happened again and I don't care with which dialercompany I'll do it again in a heartbeat.

Maybe you don't like the directness with which I operate I say what I think, how I think it. I believe that's a good thing.

I'm no subtile guy never was, and stubborn too.

As for my clash today with Rimmer I still think he's got his head stuck in his ass but that's his problem not mine. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

I have spoken my mind, proved my points and said what I came here to say.

As of now you got one more thread comming from me and then I'm done

Wolfshade

[Pinox]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by nic:
i agree with due 100%, i also would say, you so called dialer resource page is just a way for you to sell your own dialer. </font>

Maybe... but he's colleagial enough to list the other good dialers to... so who gives a damn if he promote his own dialer on his own board??

[Rimmer]

The resource aspect of wolfshades site is just a marketing gimmick as an excuse to spam.

Anybody who starts 5 new topics about a site of theirs in a month on this board is spamming. Hell 2 new topics about something your own site in a month is too much spam.

I'm not wasting anymore time on a spammer. Thread closed and any new threads about this topic will be deleted.